Maybe we're just a bit spoiled

[codmander]

Since we all know what a great sim sh3 is. maybe we're just spoiled and closed minded to sh5 somewhat.:hmmm: we expect perfection. :|\\ I think the dev team thought the same way. ok we did a good sim NOW LETS DETAIL THE CRAP OUTTA IT:hmmm: Since certain parts of the war are missing TELLS ME SH5 HAS DETAIL WRITTEN ALL OVER IT..:up: No doubt spent loads of hours on immersion with uboat crew and interior detailing it doesnt surpise me that a few type boats are missing
Best case senerio
sh5 battle of the atlantic
2 expansion pack
lets not forget mods
Hey folks this could be the sim we've been waiting for
If a uboat sim can make me selve sh3 WOW is all I can say HOPE AND PRAY
please no more interviews or videos .. I have a weak heart:dead:

[Kapitanleutnant]

You're working from a faulty premise - that Ubisoft is doing you a favour, and that to have high expectations is being "spoiled". You pay for the games you buy, you have every right to expect the very best. If you chose to lower your standards out of some misplaced sense of gratitude... well that's your affair.

[codmander]

I can hope for the best... yea my $$.. but what would we pay for perfection ? sh5 with expansion might be what we/I ((DONT WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYONE)) have been waiting for a highly detail uboat sim that of course goes threw all type boats and all years with the random/historical senerio to it and great graphics dosnt hurt either

[Kapitanleutnant]

If Ubi eventually release expansions including the last years of the war, and the missing boats, then I will very happily shut up and buy in like everybody else. But expecting those things out of the box (as SH3 managed 5 years ago) is not being spoiled.

[codmander]

I hate to think sh3 cant be topped :oops:.. as much as I like sh3,maybe sh5 ((in time)) can top sh3

[IanC]

You're working from a faulty premise - that Ubisoft is doing you a favour, and that to have high expectations is being "spoiled". You pay for the games you buy, you have every right to expect the very best. If you chose to lower your standards out of some misplaced sense of gratitude... well that's your affair.

That goes both ways. We pay Ubi, and they give us a subsim. We both do each other a favour. And for 50$ I'm not expecting 'the very best' at all, anyways I know I'll get my money's worth after many hours of playing.

[Iron Budokan]

Since we all know what a great sim sh3 is. maybe we're just spoiled and closed minded to sh5 somewhat.


I can't go along with the supposition that we are spoiled because SH3 rocked. Frankly, anyone who believed that had their attitude (mildly, at best) adjusted when SH4 came out afterward.

That right there should have been a warning to us all.

[Kapitanleutnant]

I know I'll get my money's worth after many hours of playing.

Well this is the crucial point. I'm genuinely happy for you if that's true, but "worth" or value is highly subjective. For me I expect to a) be able to potter around in a Type II and b) see the final years of the war, which I believe are very important as they show the final defeat of the U-boats and place things in their proper perspective.

Without these two elements I know I won't get my "money's worth", so I won't be buying. I don't think it's spoiled of a person to expect from SH5 the same bredth and depth that they enjoyed in SH3.

[IanC]

Well this is the crucial point. I'm genuinely happy for you if that's true, but "worth" or value is highly subjective. For me I expect to a) be able to potter around in a Type II and b) see the final years of the war, which I believe are very important as they show the final defeat of the U-boats and place things in their proper perspective.

Without these two elements I know I won't get my "money's worth", so I won't be buying. I don't think it's spoiled of a person to expect from SH5 the same bredth and depth that they enjoyed in SH3.

I don't know man... for me not having 44-45 or just Types VII's, is not enough to turn my back on a new subsim. A new U-boat sim! Think about it. Anyways, at least read the reviews before saying you won't buy it ;)

[codmander]

I never bought sh4 and if sh5 is simular I'll keep my cash but too early to tell boats and years missing dosnt mean sh5 is junk just unfinished

[Kapitanleutnant]

Well, who knows. When Neal gets a preview copy (which he better!) his thoughts may change my mind completely.
But as thing stand I'm not commiting to a purchase until the "missing" content is put back in, whether that's through expansions or mods.

[codmander]

I'm hopin its just a greed//money thing and they want to expand on sh5 keeps em workin and gettin payed ..meanwhile we get great sim ....
LMAO I have to laugh at myself.... guess I'm desparate for a new u boat sim

[Jimbuna]

I think the best chance it has would be for there to be either further addons announced in advance or easy to mod.

[SteamWake]

Oh I thought this thread would be about how fortunate we are to have the luxury to whine and postulate over a game.

[Carotio]

Well, who knows. When Neal gets a preview copy (which he better!) his thoughts may change my mind completely.
But as thing stand I'm not commiting to a purchase until the "missing" content is put back in, whether that's through expansions or mods.

It's not like it wouldn't please me to see Neal get a preview copy and give us his comments, but hey, we all know Neal more or less, and he is a positive guy, so no matter the downsides, he'll still recommend it no matter what.
Otherwise, it would surprise me a lot.

You can call me spoiled all you want, but by removing content or features from SH5, which were present in previous versions: a variety of types and technology and a career of the entire war, won't make me purchase the game at full price, before it's either added or reduced in price.

[JScones]

Well this is the crucial point. I'm genuinely happy for you if that's true, but "worth" or value is highly subjective. For me I expect to a) be able to potter around in a Type II and b) see the final years of the war, which I believe are very important as they show the final defeat of the U-boats and place things in their proper perspective.

Without these two elements I know I won't get my "money's worth", so I won't be buying. I don't think it's spoiled of a person to expect from SH5 the same bredth and depth that they enjoyed in SH3.
This is my opinion as well. :up:

Yeah, I'm sure the FPS feature is 12 steps forward and the bees knees and will keep me entertained for decades to come, as many people here keep reminding me, but for me, it's gotta be equal to SH3 or better. And I know it fails that criteria in two areas (maybe even three - I'm not sold on the dynamic campaign yet). It's yet to be seen whether it surpasses SH3 in areas such as enemy AI, targetting and so on. If not...no sale and no sail...at least until these shortcomings are addressed (and as I said elsewhere, I don't care whether martians come down and add them to my game, as long as they get there).

I passed on SH4 because it didn't tick the right boxes (and yes, I wanted to play Fleet Boats), and I will happily do it again, regardless of how many people attempt to insult my intelligence level or call me names. :up:

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1242266#post1242266)
Well this is the crucial point. I'm genuinely happy for you if that's true, but "worth" or value is highly subjective. For me I expect to a) be able to potter around in a Type II and b) see the final years of the war, which I believe are very important as they show the final defeat of the U-boats and place things in their proper perspective.

Without these two elements I know I won't get my "money's worth", so I won't be buying. I don't think it's spoiled of a person to expect from SH5 the same bredth and depth that they enjoyed in SH3.
This is my opinion as well. :up:

Yeah, I'm sure the FPS feature is 12 steps forward and the bees knees and will keep me entertained for decades to come, as many people here keep reminding me, but for me, it's gotta be equal to SH3 or better. And I know it fails that criteria in two areas (maybe even three - I'm not sold on the dynamic campaign yet). It's yet to be seen whether it surpasses SH3 in areas such as enemy AI, targetting and so on. If not...no sale and no sail...at least until these shortcomings are addressed (and as I said elsewhere, I don't care whether martians come down and add them to my game, as long as they get there).

I passed on SH4 because it didn't tick the right boxes (and yes, I wanted to play Fleet Boats), and I will happily do it again, regardless of how many people attempt to insult my intelligence level or call me names. :up:That is my opinion as well, 100%:yep:

[capthelm]

You're working from a faulty premise - that Ubisoft is doing you a favour, and that to have high expectations is being "spoiled". You pay for the games you buy, you have every right to expect the very best. If you chose to lower your standards out of some misplaced sense of gratitude... well that's your affair.


ranting on that lifes is not fair , is a no go either..

:down: these posts are poping up by the many.

[Snestorm]

:down: these posts are poping up by the many.

Perhaps that says something about people's perception of SH5 as it now stands.

Nobody owes UBI anything.
If UBI turns out a product that meets my expectations, I'll pay them for it.
If UBI does not turn out a product that meets my expectations, I won't.
Right now SH5 does not meet my expectations.
How UBI reacts to that, if at all, is completely up to them, but at least I have stated, in several posts, which expectations they did not meet.

[Feuer Frei!]

I know i was "spoiled" with SH3, to me and i'm sure to many many others it is the "benchmark" of sub sims, i personally am reserving my judgments, comments, assumptions, possibilities, might-be's, maybe's, could-be's, how dare they's and any other such things until i get my hands on SH5 and "experience her" first-hand.

Of course i agree with many that we have a "right" to expect the best or an even better than previous "experience" for our money, after all, we are "customers" and we/customers want the best for our money.

For what it's worth, i for one am simply just happy that we are treated to another SH, thank you Ubisoft. (that's a genuine thank you by the way).

[tonyj]

i'm for quality rather than quanity - depth rather than width. the quality being the experience onboard of course. All i want is that das boot experience. the graphics alone on sh5 convince me that there's something special coming our way.