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totodog

01-19-10, 07:29 PM

BUCHAREST, Romania,

Ubisoft, creator of the critically acclaimed Silent Hunter series, featuring titles such as Silent Hunter 3, and Silent Hunter 4: Wolves of the Pacific, has recently announced a new marketing system for Silent Hunter 5: Battle of the Atlantic.

"We're really excited about what this new feature might possibly allow us to do at somepoint in the future, maybe," said Dan Dimitrescu, lead designer of Ubisoft Romania. "We think we are now able to bring more content into the hands of our customers, and more money to our shareholder's pockets. With great pleasure, we announce: Silent Hunter 5: DLC of the Atlantic."

A new innovation in the Silent Hunter series, Silent Hunter 5: DLC of the Atlantic will allow player to purchase brand new items in the series. "All we had to do was delete some lines of code, and say we were 'focusing on the quality of the simulation,'" a leaked memo revealed. Also from that memo, was a list of DLC. Players can choose from various purchases, from a brand new type IX submarine for $10, to a "Bernard" model for the crew. (We could not get a further comment on this.)

Silent Hunter 5: Battle of the Atlantic is coming to PC in March, 2010.:06:

THE_MASK

01-19-10, 07:53 PM

Wow , a type IX with full interior for $10 . I will take a type 2 for another $10 as well .

Kapitanleutnant

01-19-10, 07:57 PM

Wow , a type IX with full interior for $10 . I will take a type 2 for another $10 as well .

So you've just paid the price of a full game for three u-boats that should have been in the original game from day one.
Perhaps you'd be interested in perusing my fine selection of bridges.

THE_MASK

01-19-10, 08:01 PM

So you've just paid the price of a full game for three u-boats that should have been in the original game from day one.
Perhaps you'd be interested in perusing my fine selection of bridges.
I would have liked them to be in the original game but they are not . If this is the new way of getting the content we want then i am not going to cut off my nose to spite my face .

THE_MASK

01-19-10, 08:10 PM

So you've just paid the price of a full game for three u-boats that should have been in the original game from day one.
Perhaps you'd be interested in perusing my fine selection of bridges. What i wont agree with is if ubi decide to have DLC (payware) and the modder isnt allowed to do the same . Say you spent weeks making those bridges and wanted to sell them as payware . Thats fine because if they werent top notch and i wanted them then i keep my money . I agree with payware going hand in hand with freeware . Its a way of getting top notch models . Others may not agree LOL .

JU_88

01-19-10, 08:13 PM

Uh....Me thinks Totos quote ^ up there is rather cynical fake, but pretty funny though :haha:

Payware is fine by me if the prices arent extortionate and you end up with the game you want.
Check out the gazzlion addons for Railworks available through Steam.
Im not convinced SH5 will go down this road though.

THE_MASK

01-19-10, 08:14 PM

Knuckle heads !!!!!!!!!!!!

Kapitanleutnant

01-19-10, 08:16 PM

Uh....Me thinks Totos quote ^ up there is rather cinical fake, but pretty funny though :haha:

Fake now, but prescient, I bet.
Want HMS Warspite in your game? That'll be another $10 thankyouverymuch.

Task Force

01-19-10, 08:18 PM

LOL, I loled at the bernard bit...:rotfl2:

Now I can know Im shooting the right guy out the tube... lol

Carotio

01-19-10, 08:32 PM

I would have liked them to be in the original game but they are not . If this is the new way of getting the content we want then i am not going to cut off my nose to spite my face .

Ever heard of boycut? Or mass protest? It generally works if lots of estimated customers do it. Anyone remember KrazyFrenchman or whatever name he used in the ubi forums, when he buzzed ubi representatives for getting the 1.4 patch for SH4, and lots of people called and mailed their offices daily till they finally gave up.

That's the sort of thing we need to do, tell them we want all the regular types commisioned in the war as we can read at uboat.net, and that we ain't buying the game till they all are there in the original game. Why should WE who are paying THEM just raise the white flag, give up and accept any little bone they throw us? THEY should please US, who pay THEM. Look at that poll in our subsim SH5 forum asking for one perfect or all playable uboats, and see the clear majority for all types. THAT should really give THEM a hint about what WE want. I know I don't speak for all, but most members did vote for all types.

Personally, I was really looking forward to sail out in an IXb in better graphics this time, but I find it utterly unacceptable to be enforced to buy a game model for X $ extra by download, if this is even going to be the case. First of all, I never buy games by download, PERIOD. I want my games on a disc. And I'm sure most people do too. And second, it would be the never ending story for each little bone: $$$$$$$

msalama

01-20-10, 03:15 AM

Ever heard of boycut? Or mass protest?

Nah, correctional institutes for wayward game developers would be more effective IMHO. :|\\

elanaiba

01-20-10, 04:42 AM

Is that some kind of vacation? Want!

Uber Gruber

01-20-10, 09:06 AM

Its a new type of hair style for young aspiring male vocalists.

msalama

01-20-10, 10:07 AM

Is that some kind of vacation? Want!

But of course, Sir.

And a splendid vacation it is indeed, with us the HC Pixel Kaleun Institute giving you a nice soft padded room and crayons to write our daily course assignments with. We offer a relaxed atmosphere and a personalized restorative medication program, and our supportive re-education curriculum aims for a complete rehabilitation with the main topics dealing with such themes as "the Subsim herd - how to obey unconditionally" and "how to stop writing games with alleged arcade content giving flatulence to wannabe sub captains".

Just enroll NOW and you'll never be your bad old wayward self again, Sir!

Onkel Neal

01-20-10, 10:14 AM

Ever heard of boycut? Or mass protest? It generally works if lots of estimated customers do it. Anyone remember KrazyFrenchman or whatever name he used in the ubi forums, when he buzzed ubi representatives for getting the 1.4 patch for SH4, and lots of people called and mailed their offices daily till they finally gave up.

We're not hosting any boycotts here. And if you think Krzy Frenchman was the reasons the 1.4 patch came through, you are even more wrong.

mookiemookie

01-20-10, 10:16 AM

We're not hosting any boycotts here. And if you think Krzy Frenchman was the reasons the 1.4 patch came through, you are even more wrong.

Krazy Frenchman was more obnoxious than helpful, I think.

danurve

01-20-10, 01:00 PM

We're not hosting any boycotts here. .

Thank you for making that clear. :salute:

SteamWake

01-20-10, 03:03 PM

LOL they mocked me when I said DLC was comming. :03:

JetSnake

01-20-10, 03:27 PM

Don't like it don't buy it. I have no problem with a company wanting to make money off of a product that barely makes enough to cover their development and advertising costs. I seriously doubt that the 50 or so malcontents on this site will have any substantial impact on Ubis sales of this game and further sales of expansion packs.

Onkel Neal

01-20-10, 04:03 PM

Thank you for making that clear. :salute:

Right. Petitions, ok. But once we go down the road of announcing we will not buy a game and aggresively trying to kill it. trying to get others to join us, the publisher will drop SH for good.

AVGWarhawk

01-20-10, 04:09 PM

Webster

01-20-10, 04:16 PM

as i expected, there is a lot i am dissappointed to read and there is also

a lot about sh5 that i am very happy to read about.

give it a few more reads guys and do it with an open mind

and you will see they are giving us a very very moddable game :rock:

is it perect? nope, it is tragic? nope, will i buy it? yes definately

i see sh5 as a ready made fixer-upper that just needs to be fine tuned by the modders to be a very great game. after all, we as modders are able to devote a lot more time to the game then the devs are allowed to so i trust this will be a wonderfull game when modded.

plus dont forget they said near the end that if sh5 did well it was likely we would see an expansion for it to add more subs and content to the end of the war. i dont mind paying for another ($10-$15 hopefully) expansion if the new content is done correctly and ads something more to the game.

totodog

01-20-10, 08:32 PM

Just to clarify a little bit here, I don't have a problem with the way SH5 is going, I'd just thought I'd poke a little fun at some of the thoughts flying (sailing?) around right now.

Edit to respond to some people:

But of course, Sir.

And a splendid vacation it is indeed, with us the HC Pixel Kaleun Institute giving you a nice soft padded room and crayons to write our daily course assignments with. We offer a relaxed atmosphere and a personalized restorative medication program, and our supportive re-education curriculum aims for a complete rehabilitation with the main topics dealing with such themes as "the Subsim herd - how to obey unconditionally" and "how to stop writing games with alleged arcade content giving flatulence to wannabe sub captains".

Just enroll NOW and you'll never be your bad old wayward self again, Sir!

:har: <- I think that's all I need to say.

LOL, I loled at the bernard bit...:rotfl2:

Now I can know Im shooting the right guy out the tube... lol

Rohr einz und zwei, only $4.99 each!

Carotio

01-20-10, 08:55 PM

DLC...it's all good...aaaannnnnnddddddd....other companies do it....so what is the beef? :hmmm: Look at Fallout 3....I would have paid for the DLC without blinking an eye. Same for SH4, I got the add on. No big deal. I will do the same for SH5. :yeah:

Can you spell global financial crisis? The costs does matter, if they chop a game up in 4 pieces:
75 $ - main part is the VII
25 $ - add on 1 = IX boats
25 $ - add on 2 = II boats
25 $ - add on 3 = late war, late war technology and XXI/XXIII boats.
The prices I foresee in Denmark, if they appear as DVDs in shops that is. The prices in your countries may be lower - or higher even.

That will definitely reduce sales dramatically. Maybe not for you, but for a lot of others. It's simply not the way to go. Fewer initial users means less mouth-to-mouth publicity for the game, which is the best sales advertisement and the cheapest they can get, and loosing that would really be bad for both the producer and the gamers who like this genre of game.

Reaves

01-20-10, 08:59 PM

Every time I get a newly release game and head over to the forums I see posts screaming Boycot.

What I love about Silent Hunter series is you get these when the game isn't even released yet.

Ships-R-Us

01-20-10, 09:02 PM

I agree with Carotio, as he is needing his coins to pay for his education.........On the other hand Carotio the prices will be like chump change after you graduate.......Nice to see your cheerful face again.......Continued success to you sir..

The General

01-20-10, 09:10 PM

Carotio, true sims usually cater to only one model. That way a developer can concentrate on building an exciting world in which to place that superbly detailed model. Take The finest helicopter sim ever made for example: DCS Blackshark.

Now, on a personal note, I'd appreciate if you stop slagging off the only developer making quality submarine sims. You're lucky to get anything you spoilt child.

Webster

01-20-10, 09:14 PM

You're lucky to get anything you spoilt child.

personal insults with cause me to start giving out infractions :stare:

i have been very patient with everyone because of all the emotion over this bombshell ubi dropped on us with having only one boat in sh5 but no more

Méo

01-20-10, 10:13 PM

The costs does matter, if they chop a game up in 4 pieces:
75 $ - main part is the VII
25 $ - add on 1 = IX boats
25 $ - add on 2 = II boats
25 $ - add on 3 = late war, late war technology and XXI/XXIII boats.
The prices I foresee in Denmark, if they appear as DVDs in shops that is. The prices in your countries may be lower - or higher even.

@Carotio

I'm not looking to insult you, I simply disagree.

I really don't think that they are gonna market an add-on just for one type of Uboat when modders could do it for free. (even if I feel uncomfortable with getting such a gook work for free. :-?)

Juste un simple calcul:

Let's say 50$ for the game and another 50$ for an add-on: total 100$

Now let's say an AVERAGE of 10 hours of play each week for 3 years (that means some weeks we're gonna play more and some weeks we'll play less and wait for add-on, new mods or super mods etc.)

10 hours/week x 50 weeks/year x 3 years = 1500 hours (with 2 weeks of vacation).

Now if we do: 100$/1500 hours = 0.067 let's say 7 cents per hour... not that bad.

Ok I didn't show the cost of a new rig but you can use you computer of other games/things than SHV.

JScones

01-20-10, 10:48 PM

I really don't think that they are gonna market an add-on just for one type of Uboat when modders could do it for free.
Two things:

1. They're releasing a whole game with only one type of U-boat, why not add-ons as well? For example "Operation Drumbeat" including the IXB, IXC (and as a bonus the IXA and IXD2), "The Black Sea" including the IIB (and as a bonus the IIA and IID) and so on. Isn't this what happens with Flight Sims? :hmmm:

2. Are you sure on the part in orange? I have not read anywhere anything confirming that playable units (heck, any units) can be added by modders. Sure, I could assume it to be so, but then, I, like you and many others, also assumed that SH5 would include all major U-boat types...and look how that ended.

If the devs could answer this question, then IMHO a large part of the DLC argument becomes moot. If modders can add new playable u-boats--and not JUST the U-boat but all the associated equipment that will be required--and without requiring a Degree in Computer Science, then I'll be quite happy knowing that (be it right or wrong) some modder(s) will come to the rescue. Outcome is the same, but money stays in pocket.

(even if I feel uncomfortable with getting such a gook work for free. :-?)
:o

Webster

01-20-10, 10:51 PM

2. Are you sure on the part in orange? I have not read anywhere anything confirming that playable units (heck, any units) can be added by modders. :o

scary and true, there is talk about the game being very moddable but no specifics that i can recall about being able to add things to the game.

in fact a few comments like not being able to use stuff from sh3 in sh5 is expected but it also makes you wonder :06:

Méo

01-20-10, 10:56 PM

2. Are you sure on the part in orange?

Of course I'm not sure, but they said many times that SHV would be particularly open to modding.

BTW, we're neither sure they are gonna release an add-on for each type of boats. ;)

(even if I feel uncomfortable with getting such a gook work for free. :-?)

good work = modder's work.

Anyway, the ratio cost/hours doesn't scare me.