so sh5 is just a type7 sim right? [Archive]

flakmonkey

01-05-10, 06:55 AM

So far having seen no info or even hints on other playable sub types, im starting to suspect that its only type 7s that are playable in game, especially given the amount of man hours required to make the interior to the quality seen in those prerelease shots. I dont think its realistic to expect the same treatment for multiple sub types if we want it to be released anytime in the next decade.

Now i think that if thats the case then its not all that bad, after all when you think battle of the atlantic you think type7. If loosing the typeIIs and IXs is the price to pay for a beautifully modelled range of type7 boats (viia-viic/41) with full interiors than im willing to pay that.

Maybe im wrong, but i just cant imagine how in the time theyve had to make sh5, ubi could have lavished the same amount of loving care and attention on the models if theyre focusing on multiple sub types.

+My apologies if this or something similar has already been posted, i`ll gladly eat my words if and when someone inevitbly comes along and says "flakmonkey youre an idiot, EVERY UBOAT TYPE EVER FOR SH5- CONFIRMED!!!"

karamazovnew

01-05-10, 07:00 AM

Nothing confirmed yet, but so far the devs have tried to offer as many subs as possible in each fleet. I've just read a complain similar to yours and the main reply was that the Type VII is the most famous german sub so it's very normal to have it displayed in all screenshots because everyone can recognize them.
As a personal note I've only played type VII's. They're the most beautiful machine ever built, in SH3 they had the most upgrades. And fewer torpedoes meant shorter patrols. If they only model it in SH5 it won't affect me, but I very highly doubt they'll do that.

Carotio

01-05-10, 09:05 AM

I would be highly dissapointed if SH5 doesn't have all the same uboat types as in SH3. Doing a slightly slow step-by-step upgrade from the II, over VII and IX to finally IX was kind of fun, even though I never made it in any of my SH3 careers, but I wanted to complete at least one so bad...

Maybe I should boot up LSH3 again soon...

kapitan_zur_see

01-05-10, 09:21 AM

I would suspect it's highly unlikely only the type VII would be playable. Every SH so far have always showcased the other types. It would be too much of a step backward.

Indeed, the type VII may have only been chosen for screenshots because it's the most recognizable u-boat and, let's face it, the most photogenic of all.

As for the interior, sorry but I don't get what's so extreme about it. It's sure nicely modeled (and I like it very much), but if you look closely, the amount of details for each room is far from being extravagant, let alone even "quite detailed" if you compare it to just the amount of details you could find in even a single level of nowadays FPS games for example (after all, it's "only" some rooms and the interior of the uboat could be compared to an FPS interior level you'd visit). Compare the engine room with a picture of a true uboat engine room and you'll see that a huge amount of dials, manifolds and etc has not been modeled (it even feels like there is plenty of room and spacious where in the true engine room it feels very incommodious and narrow). Tomi's work for his engine room for example is way more detailed. If the entire uboat was indeed modeled on par with Tomi's level of details, yes, I would say it would have taken quite some time (granted they're professionnal 3d modelers, don't forget it, they work faster) but it's pretty far from that. Even the control room on the screenshots seems to showcase less small details than its SH3 counterpart (maybe because unfinished at the time, or maybe for optimization purpose, that i don't know).

looney

01-05-10, 09:33 AM

I thought the same... Now I'm playing a type 9 career in Op Monsoon, I must admit I like the big ship, terrible slow to dive, great firepower.

My last 2 patrols 100k+ GRT shipping down the drain :)

I surely hope the type 9 is in the game also... the Type 9B was the most succesfull sub of the germans (in ships sunk/uboat).

I don't care to much about the type 21 or 23 as they wheren't really used that much anyway.

Sailor Steve

01-05-10, 01:25 PM

If I can't sail in a Type II I won't play it.

I'll still buy it, but I won't play it.

But I'm sure they're including all three of the major types.

sergei

01-05-10, 01:38 PM

If I can't sail in a Type II I won't play it.

Ah, another Type II lover.
Good man yerself :DL

Kapitanleutnant

01-05-10, 02:32 PM

I'll still buy it, but I won't play it.

That'll show 'em.

Sailor Steve

01-05-10, 02:51 PM

That'll show 'em.
I said I'd still buy it. In this case I'm not trying to "show 'em", just letting my intent be known.

Task Force

01-05-10, 03:17 PM

Im sure there will be more that just the type 7...

Leif...

01-05-10, 03:43 PM

Yes, and they will all be fully modeled in 3d, (except the toilets) :D

IanC

01-05-10, 04:05 PM

Ooohhh scary topic! What if the design and modeling of a fully interactive interior has limited the devs to only one type :-?
Naww...

longam

01-05-10, 04:58 PM

Maybe will still have all types to sail but only one or two have the full inside modeled. I could live with that because someone would make the rest down the road.

kapitan_zur_see

01-05-10, 05:09 PM

Maybe will still have all types to sail but only one or two have the full inside modeled. I could live with that because someone would make the rest down the road.

That's very unlikely, because the new gameplay direction taken by the dev relies a lot to the interior being modeled to its full extent.

gimpy117

01-05-10, 05:10 PM

Ah, another Type II lover.
Good man yerself :DL

same here! :arrgh!:

Webster

01-05-10, 05:12 PM

have you ever considered perhaps the 7 is just the favorite boat of the devs (and a great many others) so thats what they choose to run tests and simulations with they type 7 and thereby all the screen shots are by default of the boat most often being used by them and not as some sort of indication that no other boats exist in the game?

i wasnt around for the release of sh3 but i would suspect a simular pattern of only showing one type boat was used when they released screens of that game before it was released.

a few members have repeated this fear of sh5 will be a 1 boat game just because they havent seen shots of other boats but in any stretch of the imagination this would never be done so why stress over something as improbable as that :06:

1/20/10 EDIT: OMG i cant believe they actually did make a game with only the type VII uboat :nope: :nope: :nope: this is a very very bad decission by ubi and it will hurt sales badly.

Letum

01-05-10, 05:19 PM

:D I only ever use the VIIC in Sh3 anyway.

Ship Hunter

01-05-10, 06:22 PM

Nickolas

01-05-10, 08:25 PM

there was a preview of a few ubi games (among them, SH IV) posted on this forum that indirectly showed many boats available, such as VIIB, VIIC, VIIC 41 and... VIIA :o

IanC

01-05-10, 08:42 PM

I think the other Boats will be included, because in a Video Interview Dan said that there will be a small Campaign about Operation Drumbeat - That makes no sense without Type IX Boats.

Good point :up:

codmander

01-05-10, 10:38 PM

Type II in sh3 is detailed awesome... shame they only carried 3 torps ..still a sh3 favorite of mine also... no brainer has to be in sh5 hopefully with sh5 also has carrer option also not just single missions

JScones

01-06-10, 03:15 AM

have you ever considered perhaps the 7 is just the favorite boat of the devs (and a great many others) so thats what they choose to run tests and simulations with they type 7 and thereby all the screen shots are by default of the boat most often being used by them and not as some sort of indication that no other boats exist in the game?
I consider it effective marketing:

a) Anyone who's seen Das Boot (ie the "new" target market) can identify and is familiar with the Type VII.

b) The Type II and IX just don't look as sexy/mean/cool/funkadelic/<insert latest 13yo l33tword here> as the Type VII in marketing videos (sorry SS).

Anyway, I'd be mighty surprised if the Types II, IX and XXI weren't included.

And I wouldn't be surprised if this time they allowed ahistoric access to U-boats in campaigns right out of the box, so the "shoot-em-up" crowd can enjoy their "phully sick pimped up" XXIs in 1939 without having to edit files.

Jimbuna

01-06-10, 11:04 AM

Much ado about nothing IMHO.....all four types II, VII, IX and XXI will most probably be included with the option of using any type in any year.

Personally speaking, I'm hoping there'll be a fifth type available.....XXIII.

Sailor Steve

01-06-10, 11:09 AM

The Type II and IX just don't look as sexy/mean/cool/funkadelic/<insert latest 13yo l33tword here> as the Type VII in marketing videos (sorry SS).
Not at all. In fact I agree. And that description of the descriptives was reet/twenty-three skidoo/coo coo daddio!

oscar19681

01-06-10, 11:52 AM

It is also possible that in the release Version of Silent Hunter 5 only the Type VII will be included and all other Boats are payware DLC - possible, but I hope it will not.

I think the other Boats will be included, because in a Video Interview Dan said that there will be a small Campaign about Operation Drumbeat - That makes no sense without Type IX Boats.

Good point :up:

actually type viic,s also perticipated in operation drumbeat. Erich topp was one of the captains in operation drumbeat with a VIIC. teddy suhren also with a VIIC alltough not in drumbeat they did manage to cruise all the way to the caribian.

Kapitan Soniboy

01-06-10, 05:20 PM

Consept art of a type IX:

http://img.tamtay.vn/files/photo2/2009/8/22/17/32783/4a8fccc0_375a06fc_wallpaper_silent_hunter_v_02_192 0x1200.jpg

End of story... Why paint it if it's not included in the game?

Jimbuna

01-06-10, 05:33 PM

End of humorous speculation....that image is at least two weeks old :hmmm:

Webster

01-06-10, 06:38 PM

im not sure if i want a sub that can split a ship in two by running over it :O:

ramming speed, arrrgh :arrgh!:

Spike88

01-06-10, 06:46 PM

Didn't the last gameplay video, the one that was 13 minutes long and featured content from other games, show a drop down menu showing a list of sub's that will possibly be in the game. :hmmm:

Ship Hunter

01-07-10, 06:59 AM

In the gameplay Video the dropdownlist only showed Type VII Variants.

http://www.redebedarf.de/screens/temp/sh5boats.jpg

But this has nothing to say!

As far as I remember - we had a Silent Hunter 4 Presentation in Hamburg a few Month before the Game Release - the only playable sub was the Gato Class. Later the Game also featured all boats. I think this Version which shows us "Live Gameplay" in Magazines or something like that are versions that try to be stable and this is also why there is not included many of the later features.

Also the SH4 Beta was very low on content - the Game which was released 4 weeks later was much much bigger - so the Beta hadn't to do something with the later Version really.

Ducimus

01-07-10, 04:46 PM

As interiors go, i suspect you'll see alot of reusing of resources (copy and paste) when it comes to the type 9 interior. The control room and conning tower will probably get unique touch's, but my guess is other areas of the boat will be copy and pasting of existing models to expedite development.

Tomi_099

01-12-10, 03:49 AM

Yes, and they will all be fully modeled in 3d, (except the toilets) :D

...............

:hmmm:
I think that's all of us a great dream
But I do not believe that Ubisoft's people do it in such a short time!
And the other question is how much Ubisoft wants to invest in work.
Normally it should be more like Silent Hunter III ..:06:

Ship Hunter

01-12-10, 04:01 AM

By the way - I found an old Interview with Dan (from August 20th) where he stated the the Type II, Type VII and Type IX will be definitly included in the game.

Welche U-Boote werden spielbar sein?
Der Spieler wird hauptsächlich an Bord der Versionen II, VII und IX in See stechen. Für eine vollständige Liste an verfügbaren U-Booten müsst ihr euch noch ein wenig gedulden.

Source (http://www.marinesims.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=10245)

Ship Hunter

01-15-10, 03:10 AM

quad5

01-15-10, 04:16 AM

In the gameplay Video the dropdownlist only showed Type VII Variants.

Where is Type VII "B"?:hmmm::shifty:

danlisa

01-15-10, 10:11 AM

Just seen that the Subsim News Page was updatet today.

Now stated:

" Silent Hunter 5 Ubisoft Type VII U-boat interactive subsim March 2010 Beta"

Neal, can you give us a bit more information about that?!

Spill what you know.:)

Seriously, Ubi would never limit themselves to a single type, would they?

Don't anyone mention chargeable DLC.:stare::stare:

mookiemookie

01-15-10, 10:35 AM

Spill what you know.:)

Seriously, Ubi would never limit themselves to a single type, would they?

Don't anyone mention chargeable DLC.:stare::stare:

If you had to model an entire interior including all the associated crewmen animations, because everyone had to have a fully modelled U-boat because ZOMG IMMERSION! then you may be limited to one type of sub due to time constraints.

danlisa

01-15-10, 10:49 AM

Crew animations shouldn't be a time constraint. Once the animation is scripted once it's only a matter tweeking alignments for different interiors.

I we only consider the 3 main U-Boat types and their variants, it's still only 3 interactive interiors for 7 different boats, considering that they didn't alter all that much within their type.

TBH, if SH5 does turn out to be limited to a Type 7 Simulator then I can 100% see DLC in the form of Type 2, 9 and 21 being released later on based on the success of the first venture.

For the record, I consider limiting the game to a VII boat a mistake. It takes the SH series from being a Simulation to an Arcade game, especially considering that the core demographic for this title consider realism and immersion to be key factor above all else. Like I said, a FPS in water.

Sailor Steve

01-15-10, 10:59 AM

For the record, I consider limiting the game to a VII boat a mistake. It takes the SH series from being a Simulation to an Arcade game, especially considering that the core demographic for this title consider realism and immersion to be key factor above all else. Like I said, a FPS in water.
As I said on the Poll thread just started about this, I disagree with that summation but I do agree with the point itself. It's possible to have a better simulation if everything is thrown into one type of boat, but I'm betting that isn't going to happen here. I can only hope that others are right, and if this is successful then other types will be released.

As I said before, I won't be playing it until I can drive a Type II out of Kiel in 1939. That said, I will be buying it no matter what, as it's not a lot of money to help support development. But I won't be playing it.

Onkel Neal

01-15-10, 11:49 AM

For the record, I consider limiting the game to a VII boat a mistake. It takes the SH series from being a Simulation to an Arcade game, especially considering that the core demographic for this title consider realism and immersion to be key factor above all else. Like I said, a FPS in water.

Not necessarily. It certainly could be a full blown simulation with one sub type, if the sub is modeled with accuracy. I guess an example could be flight sims, IL-2 can be considered a simulation even though it does not feature every plane in the Russian air force (haha, maybe it does have all them planes, I don't know :)).

danlisa

01-15-10, 11:58 AM

Not necessarily. It certainly could be a full blown simulation with one sub type, if the sub is modeled with accuracy.

OK, a Type 7 simulator it is then.

As per another thread, I guess I was under the impression that the SH series was more a U-Boat War simulation rather then just a ship sim. That'll be the historical theaters and campaigns that this community has produced confusing matters.

Edit for your Edit - Yeah IL2 has pretty much all major aircraft and even some experimental ones. ;) I just consider that, for SH5 to be considered a Sim, it needs to include all theaters and all types but again, that means it's a conflict sim rather than a ship sim.

jdkbph

01-15-10, 01:00 PM

Funny how the paradigm, or the accepted definition for the term "simulator" has changed.

Back in the day, true PC vehicle/system simulations were scope limited to one platform model only... or at most one model series (eg F16 or Su27). Survey sims (modeling multiple, unrelated platforms) were generally thought of as arcade-y by definition... as in they can't possibly stuff an appropriate amount of detail for more than platform into one single box!

JD

Onkel Neal

01-15-10, 01:02 PM

Yeah, that brings back the debate on Study sim vs Survey Sim.

Sailor Steve

01-15-10, 01:05 PM

I guess I wasn't paying attention in those days. While I liked Silent Service I thought the addition of multiple boats and variable-date career starts in Silent Hunter were a vast improvement. And the detail was better as well!

Snestorm

01-15-10, 07:42 PM

No Type II, or Type IX boats?

This does not sound right.
Is this confirmed, and final?

Seeadler

01-15-10, 09:20 PM

Platapus

01-15-10, 09:29 PM

Don't anyone mention chargeable DLC.:stare::stare:

Oh that would so suck, but at least some games (Dragon Age:Origin) are moving toward that as a money making scheme. :damn:

JScones

01-15-10, 09:29 PM

Ducimus

01-15-10, 09:42 PM

Well, at least we know they're modelling a German U-boat. That's gotta be better than buying the game and finding out that they just ported a GATO across from SH4, because, you know, a sub's a sub and who's gonna know the difference, right? :D

Converesly, i wouldn't have a problem with that at all! :D

IMO a Gato or Balao is superior to a type 9 in most every respect! :O:
(I won't make the same comparision to a type 7 however. :88) Thats like trying to compare a Sportscar to an SUV )

kiwi_2005

01-15-10, 10:08 PM

No Type II, or Type IX boats?

This does not sound right.
Is this confirmed, and final?

Probably a 'U boat missions' pack will come out later with the Type II & IX boats. :D

I don't care whether they only have the VIIB available when SH5 is released I love the look of SH5 that i will be playing it no matter what.

Snestorm

01-15-10, 10:18 PM

I guess the Type VII is the only fully accessible boat, the others are copies from SH3 expanded with more details but not fully accessible. Therefore, Type VII subsim and Type ??? submarine game in one hand :D

That, I can live with.
As long as the IXs are available, I don't care if they are fully accessible or not, as I'm not an eye candy fan. As long as everything works properly, and the systems I'm expected to use are historicaly and technicaly accurate.

The places of most interest to me, in order, are:
1: Navigation Chart.
2: Bridge.
3: Control Room.
4: Conning Tower.
5: The Sonar Guy.
That's enough accessibility for me.

It sure would be nice to have some input from the devs on this.