[Suomi Finland Perkele]Gunman kills 5, possibly himself

[Dowly]

At the time of posting the article says 4 dead, but it is already confirmed that another victim, the suspect's ex-GF has been found dead. Also, a sixth has been found, but the police isnt saying yet if it is the suspect.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/31/finland.shooting.shopping.mall/index.html

****ing foreigners. Machineguns to the borders and order to shoot everyone who dont speak Finnish. :nope:

[Tribesman]

****ing foreigners.
Pity about Saari and Auvinen.

[Oberon]

It's now six and one of them is confirmed as the shooter.

[OneToughHerring]

Pity about Saari and Auvinen.

And a guy called Gerdt, he blew up a bomb in a shopping mall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petri_Gerdt

[jimbob]

Thanks for heads up. Checkin' telly atm...

Crazy stuff.

[Dowly]

@Tribesman & OTH

See, we have loonies of our own, we dont need the foreigners. :shifty:

[OneToughHerring]

@Tribesman & OTH

See, we have loonies of our own, we dont need the foreigners. :shifty:

So you're no longer even making an effort to hide your racism?

[Jimbuna]

It's now six and one of them is confirmed as the shooter.

Yep, on the 1 o'clock news.......said there may yet be more :o

[OneToughHerring]

Kinda puts a damper on shooting those new year's rockets.

[Dowly]

So you're no longer even making an effort to hide your racism?

Oh I'm sorry, I didnt know I was hiding it. Quick! Call the PC police! :roll:

[OneToughHerring]

Oh I'm sorry, I didnt know I was hiding it. Quick! Call the PC police! :roll:

Oh ok. :o

I'm interested, you see there are grade differences when it comes to racism. I mean, I guess at the most extreme end of the scale would be people like active neo-nazis who commit acts like arsons, murders, etc. On the other end there are people who say things like "I'm not a racist but...".

Where on this scale would you place yourself? Do you commit/condone neo-nazi arsons, murders etc.?

[jimbob]

Kinda puts a damper on shooting those new year's rockets.

Oh yeah.

Later, new gun-laws (hunters gonna love it), possible metal detectors in every doorway, cavity searches in shoppin'malls and the works. Options are unlimited.

Like it is ever going to stop a looney poppin' a vein.
Could make it a little bit difficult but not stop it... we'll see.

[Dowly]

@OTH

I rather not answer that. See, I have an *reputation to uphold here.


*sarcasm, for those with low IQ

[Morts]

****ing foreigners. Machineguns to the borders and order to shoot everyone who dont speak Finnish. :nope:

*facepalm*

[Dowly]

*facepalm*

Depends of the forward momentum when they get hit by the MG. :hmmm:

[Stealth Hunter]

Oh no, Dowly! Don't you know? We American citizens need to own automatic weapons, howitzers, low-grade hand grenades, and domestic landmines! It's the only way we can protect FREEDOM.

:har:

[Tribesman]

"I'm not a racist but...".
hmmmmm?

[OneToughHerring]

hmmmmm?

If you're quoting me then that is one of the things that people who don't want to be seen as racists say. These people try to give some credibility to the things they say by distancing themselves from openly racist types.

[Stealth Hunter]

If you're quoting me then that is one of the things that people who don't want to be seen as racists say. These people try to give some credibility to the things they say by distancing themselves from openly racist types.

Well actually, for him to be a racist he must be discriminating or singling-out a particular race. Last time I checked, Finns and Americans aren't races. For that matter, referring to Jews as a race (to touch upon the anti-Semitic groups out there) is also an inaccurate description. Now, Caucasian, Hispanic, African-American, etc. are a different story.

[OneToughHerring]

Well actually, for him to be a racist he must be discriminating or singling-out a particular race. Last time I checked, Finns and Americans aren't races. For that matter, referring to Jews as a race (to touch upon the anti-Semitic groups out there) is also an inaccurate description. Now, Caucasian, Hispanic, African-American, etc. are a different story.

Or maybe there is just the human race. That's also a legit way of looking at things.

[frau kaleun]

Finns and Americans aren't races. For that matter, referring to Jews as a race (to touch upon the anti-Semitic groups out there) is also an inaccurate description. Now, Caucasian, Hispanic, African-American, etc. are a different story.

Okay, okay... Finn, American, Jew, Hispanic, African-American - but we don't want the Irish (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071230/).



(Disclaimer: that there's a joke, friends.)

[frau kaleun]

Or maybe there is just the human race. That's also a legit way of looking at things.

Jawohl.

Maybe what we really need is an "Independence Day" style extraterrestrial strike force invasion to make that all too clear. Too bad it would probably take one to drive the point home fully for everybody on the planet!

[Oberon]

Jawohl.

Maybe what we really need is an "Independence Day" style extraterrestrial strike force invasion to make that all too clear. Too bad it would probably take one to drive the point home fully for everybody on the planet!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1CaZoSIoEI

[Tribesman]

If you're quoting me then that is one of the things that people who don't want to be seen as racists say.
Really?

Well actually, for him to be a racist he must be discriminating or singling-out a particular race.
As you note it appears there is only one race of humans, I just found it funny that someone threw in that line when they are usually very vocally racist on a national level like OTH is.

[kranz]

I bet they gonna find GTA on his PC

[Stealth Hunter]

Or maybe there is just the human race. That's also a legit way of looking at things.

But incorrect by definition. We're Homo sapiens, a species of bipedal primates belonging to the Hominidae family.

[OneToughHerring]

But incorrect by definition. We're Homo sapiens, a species of bipedal primates belonging to the Hominidae family.

The term race has become pretty outdated as a term to neatly divide people into some groups. There is constant debate about what is meant with the term race but the consensus seems to be that it means less today then it did in the past.

[Snestorm]

****ing foreigners. Machineguns to the borders and order to shoot everyone who dont speak Finnish. :nope:

Allowing people in who do not speak the language, on a short term basis can sometimes be helpful to a nation (F.eks. Very short term tourists), while at other times it can be fairly mandatory to the well being of that nation (F.eks. People who work in the transport branch).

Allowing foreigners to reside within the borders of one's nation is a completely different matter. A language test PRIOR TO the issuance of a resident permit is a good method of determining how much commitment and loyalty one has to their new home nation. In most cases, if there is a lack of motivation to learn the language, customs, history, and laws of a country, there is also a lack of loyalty and love for that country and it's people. The person is generaly just looking for an exploitable land where they can maintain there old culture, and thumb their nose at the new. (It should be noted that loyalties to an old land, culture, and people can in some cases remain strong even in following generations. Like any other animals, people DO tend to seek out others who are more like themselves.)

Immigration should be a very tightly controled and selective process. Immigration to a country should not be viewed as a right, but a very special privaledge given to a select few who demonstrate their loyalty and worthyness. At present there are more people than jobs, therefor the immigration door should be only barely open, if at all. The well being of an individual in question, and that includes myself, must come after the well being of the state, it's citizens, national identity, and culture.

As for the the word "Racist" that gets thrown about so frequently:
The PC crowd seems to be the most guilty party. It would seem that they advocate the self-genocide of their own people through overly liberal over-immigration policies, and anyone who stands in their way is slapped with the title of racist, which should be reserved for themselves. For anyone that believes a people can't be over-immigrated to the borders of extinction, I suggest you look at North America, South America, and Australia. That is the path PC has opened up for Europe. Europe, and it's people, don't owe the rest of the world a thing. Self Preservation does not equal Hate!

[Foxtrot]

If he was a native local then he probably would have shot the whole family (http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Family+of+four+die+in+murder-suicide+Oulu+neighbourhood+in+shock/1135240383196) by a shotgun or whole available family (http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Ylitornio+killer+left+farewell+letter+for+his+rema ining+three+children/1135237255887), or would have tried to board the plane after shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanna_Sillanpää)

[papa_smurf]

This is what you get with lax gun laws:nope:. Although I can't speak as here in the UK despite some of the toughest gun laws, we still get shootings (mainly in inner-city areas).

[antikristuseke]

Blaming lax gun laws is misguided at best.

[Rilder]

I bet they gonna find GTA on his PC

If they blame another murder on gaming I swear I'm going to kill someone. :rotfl2:

[OneToughHerring]

Blaming lax gun laws is misguided at best.

Because you say so?

[Tribesman]

As for the the word "Racist" that gets thrown about so frequently:

As has been noted before Snestorm, your version of nationalism usually crosses the borders into the extremist fringe which is generally described as racist.

[antikristuseke]

Because you say so?

No, that would be stupid, I am surprised you would even suggest something like this.

[OneToughHerring]

No, that would be stupid, I am surprised you would even suggest something like this.

Well whatever you do don't give any links to any sources that might give any actual credibility to your view.

But then again, you being from Estonia where violent crime is rife it might just be that we have a different idea of what qualifies as a safe and peaceful society.

[Snestorm]

As has been noted before Snestorm, your version of nationalism usually crosses the borders into the extremist fringe which is generally described as racist.

Whatever . . . ism label you wish to slap on me for my views is immaterial. Here follows another example of an immigrant that should have been denied access.:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/01/01/danish.cartoon.break.in/index.html

How many people have to die, or come under attack by foreigners, in their own lands, in the name of PC?

As is PC, Huffington Post did mention that the man was 27 years old. They also donated half of their article to the danish cartoons, but they convieniently ommitted the fact that the crimminal was a somali.

Time to tighten immigration policies.

[Buddahaid]

Probably a banned subsim poster. It's all Neal's fault!

Anyway, I don't worry about aliens as I don't think they would want to meet us.

[kiwi_2005]

Oh no, Dowly! Don't you know? We American citizens need to own automatic weapons, howitzers, low-grade hand grenades, and domestic landmines! It's the only way we can protect FREEDOM.

:har:

The best weapon you americans have against terroist is disco music! :DL

'Play that Funky Music White Boy'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe1ScoePqVA&feature=related

^ Timeless :rock:

[Lt.Fillipidis]

Immigration should be a very tightly controled and selective process. Immigration to a country should not be viewed as a right, but a very special privaledge given to a select few who demonstrate their loyalty and worthyness. At present there are more people than jobs, therefor the immigration door should be only barely open, if at all. The well being of an individual in question, and that includes myself, must come after the well being of the state, it's citizens, national identity, and culture.

Tell that to the Greek government! About 15% of our population are immigrants ----> Unemployment ----> crime ----> "racism" towards immigrants

[Snestorm]

Tell that to the Greek government! About 15% of our population are immigrants ----> Unemployment ----> crime ----> "racism" towards immigrants

The winning strategy is to keep immigration at the top issue at election time.

[Tribesman]

Whatever . . . ism label you wish to slap on me for my views is immaterial.
As it happens I was using an example by another poster which said your nationalist rhetoric borders on the loony extremist fringe which most europeans would have thought should be long dead by now.

How many people have to die, or come under attack by foreigners, in their own lands, in the name of PC?

What PC?
How on earth is a nutter with an axe angry about a free press anything to do with PC?

Tell that to the Greek government!
Tell that to the millions of Greeks who don't live in Greece. Bloody immigrants eh:rotfl2:

[Snestorm]

As it happens I was using an example by another poster which said your nationalist rhetoric borders on the loony extremist fringe which most europeans would have thought should be long dead by now.


What PC?
How on earth is a nutter with an axe angry about a free press anything to do with PC?


Tell that to the millions of Greeks who don't live in Greece. Bloody immigrants eh:rotfl2:

My view on nationality is neither extreme nor dead.

My post concerned overly liberal immigration policies. Every time the immigration door begins to swing closed, or the border gets tightened, the PC crowd screams "racist" or "nationalist". The nutter with the axe was an immigrant that should have been denied access, along with 95% of the other immigrants. Over immigration is having a negative impact on society. Do you realy think that is an extreme view of the situation?

[Tribesman]

My view on nationality is neither exreme nor dead.

I know it isn't dead, the example I chose was by a person whose country recently went through a wave of nationalist crap, the nationalist loonies there got so concerned about preserving their national culture that they took to slaughtering people who were different.
Such archiac views are by no means dead, but they certianly should be by now.

My post concerned overly liberal immigration policies.
What liberal immigration policies?

The nutter with the axe was an immigrant that should have been denied access, along with 95% of the other immigrants.
Ah of course the immigrants, 95% of them too , so if you take away all the scandinavians, all those from the countries old colonies plus of course Germans and other EU nationals then you really have no problem as you are well past eliminating the 95% of immigrants.

[Happy Times]

He had previous conviction in Finland, convicted of assault in 2001, and of firearms offences in 2004 and 2007.
He has also had a restraining order against the former girlfriend that he killed.

Unconfirmed are allegations that he decapitated the ex girlfriend before shooting her co-workers in the mall.

Other interesting twist is the allegations that he was possibly a former terrorist in the UCK/KLA and had participated at killing Serb civilians in Kosovo.

Could be a developing story this one.

[OneToughHerring]

Well whatever you do don't give any links to any sources that might give any actual credibility to your view.

But then again, you being from Estonia where violent crime is rife it might just be that we have a different idea of what qualifies as a safe and peaceful society.

Guess I was right about this.

[Dowly]

This is what you get with lax gun laws:nope:. Although I can't speak as here in the UK despite some of the toughest gun laws, we still get shootings (mainly in inner-city areas).

I believe he had an illegal firearm that he used to do the killings with.