Christmas flight terror

[Fish]

Glad he didn't succeed!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/26/airline.attack/index.html

[Snestorm]

I wonder who his handler is.

[Jimbuna]

Glad he didn't succeed!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/26/airline.attack/index.html

Amen to that :o

[Lt.Fillipidis]

A rhastaman from Nigeria, went to Amsterdam and then took a flight to Michigan as stoned as a man can get with a makeshift "explosive" device, burnt himself while trying to use it and while the plane was on the ground. When caught, he stated he was working for Al Kaida.
Pretty lame reason for Obama to start an African campaign...

Oh and by the way, african names have nothing to do with Middle Eastern and this man is way too "black" to be Middle Eastern.

No offense towards anyone but the American Government.
Im really tired of all this "Middle East is jealous of us cause we preserve freedom".

[Snestorm]

A rhastaman from Nigeria, went to Amsterdam and then took a flight to Michigan as stoned as a man can get with a makeshift "explosive" device, burnt himself while trying to use it and while the plane was on the ground. When caught, he stated he was working for Al Kaida.
Pretty lame reason for Obama to start an African campaign...

Oh and by the way, african names have nothing to do with Middle Eastern and this man is way too "black" to be Middle Eastern.

No offense towards anyone but the American Government.
Im really tired of all this "Middle East is jealous of us cause we preserve freedom".

We think alike here.
Nothing like keeping the public traumatised.

[Onkel Neal]

There was a Dutch guy who was sitting a few seats away and did not panic--he jumped over the seats and put the fire out, then helped an attendant subdue the terrorist. :up:

[SteamWake]

A rhastaman from Nigeria, went to Amsterdam and then took a flight to Michigan as stoned as a man can get with a makeshift "explosive" device, burnt himself while trying to use it and while the plane was on the ground. When caught, he stated he was working for Al Kaida.
Pretty lame reason for Obama to start an African campaign...

Oh and by the way, african names have nothing to do with Middle Eastern and this man is way too "black" to be Middle Eastern.

No offense towards anyone but the American Government.
Im really tired of all this "Middle East is jealous of us cause we preserve freedom".

I had a good friend from Iran. We would go sailing together. After a good long day in the sun he would be Black as pitch.

Just a first hand observation. ;)

[Torplexed]

There was a Dutch guy who was sitting a few seats away and did not panic--he jumped over the seats and put the fire out, then helped an attendant subdue the terrorist. :up:

Drebbel!? He's back! :DL

[Snestorm]

I had a good friend from Iran. We would go sailing together. After a good long day in the sun he would be Black as pitch.

Just a first hand observation. ;)

People from Iran and Nigeria don't even come close to looking the same.
Very different peoples.

[Tribesman]

Oh and by the way, african names have nothing to do with Middle Eastern and this man is way too "black" to be Middle Eastern.
You havn't travelled much.
But anyway leaving side the historic ethnic diversity of pre colonial Nigeria, the increased diversity from the colonial era and now the more modern diversity from the oil production phase...can you tell me in simple but difinitive terms what colour a Nigerian is?
Now explain what colour a middle eaterner is.
Maybe explain what a black arab, Afro-turk and African Jew are amd show some colour as a measure.
While you are at it can you explain how someone who had nothing to do with the middle east was apparently in places like Dubai and Yemen, which if I am not much mistaken and they haven't moved across the globe are in a place known as the middle east.

Pretty lame reason for Obama to start an African campaign...
Start??????

[XabbaRus]

A rhastaman from Nigeria, went to Amsterdam and then took a flight to Michigan as stoned as a man can get with a makeshift "explosive" device, burnt himself while trying to use it and while the plane was on the ground.

On the ground? Do you read the news. It was during landing approach and where do know that he was stoned and is a rhastaman?

If he was a rhasta I'd doubt he would be blowing anything up.

[Skybird]

The father of the terrorist is a former Nigerian ministre and banker. He has warned the US of his own son, saying that he admired Al Quaida and had turned to strict Islam. Once again we see an Islamic terrorist not matching the still often assumed "typical" schemes of character and social background of terrorists: being poor, uneducated and social loosers without perspectives, and religion being the less attractice for them the higher their social class and education is.

[Blood_splat]

I heard he's going to sue the occupants on the plane for roughing him up.
:rotfl2: I kid.

[Onkel Neal]

I'm impressed the father turned him in.

[Jimbuna]

I heard he's going to sue the occupants on the plane for roughing him up.
:rotfl2: I kid.

He should consider himself lucky there weren't a few passengers mad enough to tear him limb from limb before the plane landed :stare:

[Torplexed]

It's a shame this Nigerian guy and Ivana Trump couldn't have shared the same flight that day.

http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=449003&GT1=28103

If the old gold digger starts to throw a major hissy fit because she can't handle kids running in the aisle, I wonder what her reaction would be when a guy a few seats over bursts into flame. :D

[Tribesman]

He has warned the US of his own son, saying that he admired Al Quaida and had turned to strict Islam.Yeah yeah yeah

Once again we see ....skybirds islamophobia , come on Skybird where are all these sharia laws you claim to exist ? where are these spiritual directives you claim exist?whereis this supreme united global entity you claim exists?

********* with you BatY' if all you is doing is spreading the conspiracy" dhimmi" ****e

[Tribesman]

No for those of a functioning brain we have a loony fruitcake ....wel educated perhaps but still a fruitcake..we have a loony fundy interpretation ...but nn the less an interpretation.
Hmmmmmmmm....loony interpretation by a loony = kill them all(it works both ways)
Though of course Sky wishes to believe that everyone is a loony apart from himself


honestly Once again we see an Islamic terrorist not matching the still often assumed "typical" schemes of character and social background of terrorists: being poor, uneducated and social loosers without perspectives, and religion being the less attractice for them the higher their social class and education is.
where on earth do you get your crap from?who assumes that apart from ******* idiots who have no knowledge of history, no knowledge of events ....basicly no knowledge of anything at all.
Is your whole premise that the whole world and every individual on it is as thick as pig **** and only you by some miracle without divine intervention as God would therefore be first place and as such a challenger to your reading of books?

I hve been called a pompous gitbefore , but you take the biscuit.
No more can I challenge the"I read three books" supremacy.
No more shall I ponder the meaning of life and the whereabouts of the lair of the killer rabbit.


I mus be said foronce and for all ythat Skys imterpretatiom of Islam is the true religion which is why it is bad religion...and if we don't all start making babieas then in a few years...or maybe a few more years .......or a few years more ....then some years..ad some more ......THEN THE MUSLIMS WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD....so be sure chidren , check under your bedsfoagheads

[Torplexed]

Rather minor incident, but I guess another Nigerian was arrested today for locking himself in the bathroom of a plane on the same Amsterdam to Detroit route. :88)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8432050.stm

[nikimcbee]

Drebbel!? He's back! :DL
Dammit you beat me to the joke.:haha:

[nikimcbee]

He should consider himself lucky there weren't a few passengers mad enough to tear him limb from limb before the plane landed :stare:

They shoulda had some New Jersey guys on the plane. They could just beat the allah out of him, open the door and thrown him out.:yeah: Just think of the money they'd saved in lawyer fees.:haha:

[Lt.Fillipidis]

You havn't travelled much.
But anyway leaving side the historic ethnic diversity of pre colonial Nigeria, the increased diversity from the colonial era and now the more modern diversity from the oil production phase...can you tell me in simple but difinitive terms what colour a Nigerian is?
Now explain what colour a middle eaterner is.
Maybe explain what a black arab, Afro-turk and African Jew are amd show some colour as a measure.
While you are at it can you explain how someone who had nothing to do with the middle east was apparently in places like Dubai and Yemen, which if I am not much mistaken and they haven't moved across the globe are in a place known as the middle east.

Mate, there are differences between the color, face shape and body shape between the typical africans and typical middle eastern people. Im talking about typicals here.
How do you know that he travelled to Dubai and Yemen?
I've watched the Greek news and read some articles from international media and there was no mention that this guy was to middle east.

@XabbaRus
I've watched the news mate, in a Greek channel, broadcasted by BBC.
They said that the plane was on the ground at the time of the event and all the shots of the "terrorist" were showing him almost crawling.
They also said that he flew from Nigeria to Amsterdam, stayed a while and then flew to USA.
While they dont say it directly, they let it float. "This man was stoned".

[XabbaRus]

Must be a different BBC as all my reports and BBC onine were saying on approach....

[SteamWake]

Glad he didn't succeed!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/26/airline.attack/index.html

I dont know in a lot of ways he was successfull.

Anyone that tried to travel over the weekend can attest to that.

[SteamWake]

Just picked this up off the wire... "Wanted for illegal flight" indeed.

FBI: Man Flew Into NYC From BWI With Firecracker

Passenger Taken Into Custody After Device Found Wedged Between Seats On Piedmont Airlines Flight Into LaGuardia

http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/laguardia.airplane.explosive.2.1393663.html

[ETR3(SS)]

Way to go Homeland Security!:yeah: You can stop a 5 year old boy because he's on your "watch list." But, a 67 year old man with not one but TWO outstanding warrants for unlawful flight is allowed onto the plane with a firecracker for a domestic flight. Way to justify that paycheck guys! :yeah::nope:

[Lt.Fillipidis]

Must be a different BBC as all my reports and BBC onine were saying on approach....

Then they must have messed up the translation. :-?
The Greek media showed a plane on the ground and said it happened while the plane was down.

[SteamWake]

Greek Media must have misunderstood. The incident happend while on approach.

Which if your a terrorist makes alot of sense. It is probably the absolute worst time to have a crisis.

Anyhow... Deja Vue anyone?


The method of concealment, the use of PETN and the origin of the bomb -- Yemen -- make the Prince Nayef assassination attempt and the Northwest plot an almost perfect match.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/27/bergen.terror.plot/index.html

By the way did anyone mention that the suspect recently returned from Yemen?

[Tribesman]

By the way did anyone mention that the suspect recently returned from Yemen?
Well its metioned in the opening piece, mentioned a few more times throughout the topic, its mentioned in just about every media outlet that covered the story....so I think it was only one or two who didn't realise the middle eastern link.

Though I wonder....
Mate, there are differences between the color, face shape and body shape between the typical africans and typical middle eastern people. Im talking about typicals here.
...what exactly is a typical African? A San or a Maasai? A Sahrawi or a
Mbuti?
How about a typical middle easterner would that be a Zanj or a Chaldean?

[Lt.Fillipidis]

@ Tribesman
Im talking about the "typical" of each race mate.
Athens is full of africans and middle eastern people like pakistans, iranians etc.
There are base differences between them like the lips, the shape of the face, height, skin color.

[Tribesman]

Im talking about the "typical" of each race mate.

Do you mean the human race or some other race?

Athens is full of africans and middle eastern people like pakistans, iranians etc.

Wow Pakistan is now the middle east?

There are base differences between them like the lips, the shape of the face, height, skin color.
Don't talk rubbish, I just gave you examples of typical africans and middle easterners and there is such a variety there in all aspects that it demonstrates that your "typical" thing doesn't exist.
Or do all Greeks look like Telly Savalas or would he be more of a typical european with his lips, skin colour, face and height or would it be Arnold Schwarzenegger that is the right shape and colour?
Would either of them be more American looking or would that be someone like Mike Tyson?

[Lt.Fillipidis]

First of all, quit that smartass attitude. I could do that too but as you can see i didnt till now.

These ones: Africans
http://www.healthanddna.com/ancestry-dna-testing/african-ancestry_clip_image002.jpg

These ones:
Middle Eastern
http://www.kleveman.com/photo/iraq/big/IMG_2661.jpg
http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/21/2171/E2KCD00Z/robert-harding-schoolgirls-boyerahmad-tribe-iran-middle-east.jpg

End of story!
If you cant tell the difference between an African and a Middle Eastern or a European and a South American, then you need glasses mate.

Edit: Dont blame me if this conversation will go from bad to worse. I was polite a couple of posts before.

[Tribesman]

These ones: Africans

Perfect , lots of shades there, plus face shapes and lips and if I am not mistaken you have even included in the bottom center an example that covers height and physique. Well done you prove yourself wrong.
These ones:
Middle Eastern

Are you sure those are not mexicans or indonesians or maybe even polynesians , though some polynesians may look more like what you think Africans look like? :rotfl2:

End of story!

The story was over when your notion was initially shown to be incorrect.
Now that you have gone on yourself to show in pictures how incorrect it was its the equivalent of you writing an epitaph over your dead notion and burying your own claim.

[CaptainHaplo]

@ Tribesman

Lt. Fillipidis - let me share some advice with you. Ever heard the saying "Don't feed the troll"? If so - it applies here....:salute:

Now - the real issue here is the lack of security - both by our "international partners" as well as our own people. The reality is that other countries have different security protocols than we do for flights originating from theUS. One thing that I have not seen proposed from this mess is why we don't mandate our own screening rules and people for US bound flights. This way, regardless of what country the flight originates in, if its inbound to the US - it has to meet not only the host country's security checks, but our own as well.

Now I throw this out there with the caveat that my experience with international flights and the standards involving them is limited, so there might be problems with it. But it makes sense to me. Then again - if it makes sense, maybe that is the problem?

[Tribesman]

Lt. Fillipidis - let me share some advice with you. Ever heard the saying "Don't feed the troll"? If so - it applies here....
Especially not with pictures of ginger haired africans or people might say they look like typical Glaswegians. After all everone knows people in Glasgow have ginger hair, and as they are europeans they must be typical.


Now - the real issue here is the lack of security
The real issue is the same as it was on 9/11, intelligence agencies not passing on information.

One thing that I have not seen proposed from this mess is why we don't mandate our own screening rules and people for US bound flights. This way, regardless of what country the flight originates in, if its inbound to the US - it has to meet not only the host country's security checks, but our own as well.

You can, there are several countries where there is a presence. The catch is that you as a US tax payer has to pay for it and some americans are very touchy about paying tax.
If you followed topics rather than ignoring those with different views you would have noticed that mandating screening rules in foriegn airports has been mentioned already in relation to Israeli flights.

[Lt.Fillipidis]

Ill take your advice CaptainHaplo.
Im off this thread.

[Skybird]

I do not fly, so I was surprised to learn in the news that even for flights to the US, there are some hilarous security holes. For example you are prevented to carry more than a minimum of certain items and liquids with you, you have to give them up at the security gate. After the security control for such items, they showed on TV, there are the duty-free-shops.

And there you can buy all the stuff again that you just have handed over during the security control. Alcohol, razors, electronics, cleaner agents. Even when boarding flights to the US, Haplo.

German police and the German pilot's union demand these shops to either get banned to before the control gates, or that they are prohibited from selling all classes of goods and items that can be sued as weapons or in buiolding an explosive device.

I have a simple security advise for you, and it is free: avoid to make flights that you can avoid! I came around quite a bit - but I never was aboard an airliner, and I even banged heads with a boss over it. It took more time, but tremendously added to the overall experience. You actually could see again where you are travelling. Airliners are just like beaming.

[Tribesman]

For example you are prevented to carry more than a minimum of certain items and liquids with you, you have to give them up at the security gate. After the security control for such items, they showed on TV, there are the duty-free-shops.

You miss the point about the liquids, the controls on liquids are for a very specific purpose, purchasing liquids in the airside shops has no relation to that at all.

I have a simple security advise for you, and it is free: avoid to make flights that you can avoid!
Take a train or bus instead, just avoid trains and buses in places like errrrrr...towns and cities where someone might possibly blow one up.