Human hair usd on u-boats

[KING111]

Is it true that the mattress and pillows
On the submarines
And even their socks were made from
Human hair taken from the
Concentration camps

[Sailor Steve]

Don't think so, but of course I don't know for sure.

Could you please not use that black font? Those of us using the SmartDark screen can't read it.

[NeonSamurai]

No it is not true according to any accredited research I am aware of. Almost all of the holocaust stories of that nature are false such as human skin lampshades, soap made from human fat being mass produced (there is some evidence some was made in a lab though), socks and stuff made from hair, etc.

Most of the rest of it though is real, with archeological evidence to back it up, and the numbers of those murdered in the various camps, and "special actions" is by most genuine research fairly valid. It is also true that the ash of incinerated victims was used as fertilizer for the local farms, and that personal objects, gold teeth, hair, etc was collected and reused, though I am not aware of the hair being used for anything.

[flakmonkey]

No it is not true according to any accredited research I am aware of. Almost all of the holocaust stories of that nature are false such as human skin lampshades, soap made from human fat being mass produced (there is some evidence some was made in a lab though), socks and stuff made from hair, etc.

Actually the lampshade thing was a real occurance and the creation of a real nasty bit of work called Aribert Heim a notorious concentration camp doctor (well at least according to a channel4 documantary i saw a while back).

Never heard of anything like this in connection to uboats though.

[NeonSamurai]

Actually the lampshade thing was a real occurance and the creation of a real nasty bit of work called Aribert Heim a notorious concentration camp doctor (well at least according to a channel4 documantary i saw a while back).

Never heard of anything like this in connection to uboats though.

As far as I am aware that object never existed. There are no photographs of such a thing, and it was never entered into evidence.

It was rumored that Ilse Koch made such objects from tattooed human skin, and shrunken human heads and tattooed human skin were found and presented as evidence, but no lampshade (nor was the skin found pierced in such a way that it could be used in a lampshade) was ever found.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Dachauscrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch.html


As for the person you mention, some witnesses claimed that he had made a human skin lampshade for the camp commandant, but such rumors were common in the camps along with the human soap one.


Back to the original topic, there are some letters dated in 1942 that suggests using victims hair in socks for u-boat men, but no evidence that it was ever actually carried out. There is evidence that human hair was shipped to certain companies, amounts totaling under 1 metric ton. If it was used it was probably used for industrial felt. No evidence has yet been found though (though it is impossible to prove the source of hair made objects).

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/use-of-hair.html

[ppk]

As far as I know most u-boat men were not nazis but straight up sailors serving their country.... So I can hardly imagine them sleeping on packs of human hair. I hope this is not true.

[Pisces]

I doubt it would even work. Human hair is too soft to be used as effective filler.

[KING111]

I Don't think that we will ever really know
as for the U=Boat men why would they know
what was in there beding ??
it maybe just another story like shooting people
in the water anything to make the enamy look as
bad as you can it makes it easyer to kill them

[Brag]

I Don't think that we will ever really know
as for the U=Boat men why would they know
what was in there beding ??
it maybe just another story like shooting people
in the water anything to make the enamy look as
bad as you can it makes it easyer to kill them

It is just another disgusting story created by disgusting people.

[KING111]

It seem's in part to be true :nope:
but who's to say any u-boat men ever new about it
if you don't want to read it all here is just the one part
about u-boat crews

The Trial of German Major War Criminals


The Chief of the Central Economical and Administrative Department of the SS, on the basis of a report submitted to him,
orders that all human hair cut in concentration camps be appropriately utilised. Human hair is to be spun into industrial felt and yarn.
Out of combed and cut hair of women, hair-yarn stockings for U-boat crews are to be made, as well as hair-felt stockings for employees of the Reich railways

h//p://ftp.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-20/tgmwc-20-195-08.shtml

[IanC]

disgusting :nope:

[ppk]

Wow. That's creepy. :o

[NeonSamurai]

The Trial of German Major War Criminals

The Chief of the Central Economical and Administrative Department of the SS, on the basis of a report submitted to him,
orders that all human hair cut in concentration camps be appropriately utilised. Human hair is to be spun into industrial felt and yarn.
Out of combed and cut hair of women, hair-yarn stockings for U-boat crews are to be made, as well as hair-felt stockings for employees of the Reich railways

h//p://ftp.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-20/tgmwc-20-195-08.shtml


That is based off the letter I linked before. It was part of an order to the concentration camps to save human hair for possible industrial use (which they did do). But like I said there is very little evidence that much of it was used, and none that it was ever made into socks or anything.

[BrewerAlpha]

If just that one letter is the only mention of this - I would be hardpressed to believe it ever actually happened. Maybe I'm being idealistic and don't want to believe it, who knows.

[Jimbuna]

That is based off the letter I linked before. It was part of an order to the concentration camps to save human hair for possible industrial use (which they did do). But like I said there is very little evidence that much of it was used, and none that it was ever made into socks or anything.

I agree....there was a website that delved into researching the subjective theories but I'm not unhappy to say that it is no longer accessible.

[tomfon]

The Trial of German Major War Criminals


The Chief of the Central Economical and Administrative Department of the SS, on the basis of a report submitted to him,
orders that all human hair cut in concentration camps be appropriately utilised. Human hair is to be spun into industrial felt and yarn.
Out of combed and cut hair of women, hair-yarn stockings for U-boat crews are to be made, as well as hair-felt stockings for employees of the Reich railways

h//p://ftp.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-20/tgmwc-20-195-08.shtml



Its no news to me.Some time ago i watched a WWII documentary where it was mentioned that human hair was also used by the Uboat crews. Actually, the hair was processed -sort of- so i'm not very sure if the crews knew what kind of ''material'' they were using. Still, it is disgusting - at least.

[NeonSamurai]

Like I said there is scant evidence that they ever made much use of it (but its impossible to prove it either way). Mountains of it was found after the war in the camps, and I believe more of it was burned. There is the reference to using it in socks for u-boat and railway crews, but no evidence for production of such items, though there are a few surviving shipping records of smaller amounts of hair being shipped to certain furrier firms.

This letter http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/use-of-hair.html was sent to all the commandants of the major concentration and death camps, ordering that human hair from their victims be saved to be shipped for future industrial use. I searched around for any other documented evidence of use but couldn't find much of value.

Anyhow here are some links.

Human Soap
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/stutthof/press/forensic_confirmation

Archeological Investigations of Belzec (for any holocaust deniers here), one of the death camps. It is estimated to have killed over 800,000 people.
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/belzec1/bel150.html
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/modern/archreview.html

[BootsmanBoof]

Well, as this is the SH3 forum I can steadfastly say there's no human hair products on my u-boat.:-?

[Betonov]

Human hair can be used as pipe washer (?) (the thing used to prevent water from leaking trough the contact betwen two pipes, couldnt find a good translation). Barbers used to sell them to plumbers, cheaper than synthetics. If there was human hair on U-boats most proabably came from Fritz Hausemann from Snitzelstrasse Berlin while having a haircut in 1941.

Me and my father actually found hair used as pipe washer when diging in our cellar, the house was built during austria-hungary so it was used during times when synthetic was extremly rare or nonexistent. But could have been horse hair, human hair, hare hair....

[Gabucino]

Come on...

It's normal to get rid of people's hair to prevent a massive lice infestation (it always was, and is even today), which could (and did) lead to large-scale epidemic of typhus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhus), which can (and did) cause hundreds and thousands of deaths ("During Napoleon's retreat from Moscow in 1812, more French soldiers died of typhus than were killed by the Russians." Also see camp photographs with bodies piled on each other.).

Using probably lice-infected hairmass for _any_ purpose that doesn't include heavyweight industrial deinfection and production is very contraproductive. Think about a lice infestation on an U-boot, oh and remember the "medical inspection of genitals" scene from Das Boot, hehe). All the 1944-45 allied infrastructural+strategic bombing of Germany made it really certain that nobody would even think of building a business on human hair, when the average food ration for a free german citizen was already way below bearable levels.

[Gaijin]

Come on...

It's normal to get rid of people's hair to prevent a massive lice infestation (it always was, and is even today), which could (and did) lead to large-scale epidemic of typhus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhus), which can (and did) cause hundreds and thousands of deaths ("During Napoleon's retreat from Moscow in 1812, more French soldiers died of typhus than were killed by the Russians." Also see camp photographs with bodies piled on each other.).

Using probably lice-infected hairmass for _any_ purpose that doesn't include heavyweight industrial deinfection and production is very contraproductive. Think about a lice infestation on an U-boot, oh and remember the "medical inspection of genitals" scene from Das Boot, hehe). All the 1944-45 allied infrastructural+strategic bombing of Germany made it really certain that nobody would even think of building a business on human hair, when the average food ration for a free german citizen was already way below bearable levels.

And behold, let there be common sense. And there was. And it was good.

[NeonSamurai]

Come on...

It's normal to get rid of people's hair to prevent a massive lice infestation (it always was, and is even today), which could (and did) lead to large-scale epidemic of typhus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhus), which can (and did) cause hundreds and thousands of deaths ("During Napoleon's retreat from Moscow in 1812, more French soldiers died of typhus than were killed by the Russians." Also see camp photographs with bodies piled on each other.).

Using probably lice-infected hairmass for _any_ purpose that doesn't include heavyweight industrial deinfection and production is very contraproductive. Think about a lice infestation on an U-boot, oh and remember the "medical inspection of genitals" scene from Das Boot, hehe). All the 1944-45 allied infrastructural+strategic bombing of Germany made it really certain that nobody would even think of building a business on human hair, when the average food ration for a free german citizen was already way below bearable levels.

Except for the slight problem that the Nazi's were stockpiling the stuff in the camps. I mean why on earth would they keep the hair if it was infected? Those camps also had the facilities to kill off lice and other stuff in the shaved hair (and clothes and other things they stole from the people they killed) like Zyclon-B which they regularly used for the delousing of objects (along with killing people). Besides the fact that lice would not survive the felting process anyhow.

I am still doubtful that hair from concentration camps were used in the making of socks, in spite of the letter I linked, due to the lack of any further evidence. I am however less doubtful of at least some of that hair being used in industrial felting (there are surviving records of human hair being shipped from certain death/concentration camps to furrier companies which totaled a bit under a metric ton).

[Gabucino]

Okay IMHO let's close this OT thread with the actual facts.

Except for the slight problem that the Nazi's were stockpiling the stuff in the camps. I mean why on earth would they keep the hair if it was infected?

I can see only one rational explanation: they didn't.

Take Treblinka, which was utterly destroyed and dismantled, its existence is based on contradicting survivor reports (like the only water well in the middle of the alleged exterminational area - Arad: Op.Reinhard camps; page 39).

And see the "hairy" Auschwitz, where "29 of the 35 storerooms have been burned down. In six of the remaining ones, the liberators found the camp's legacy: 368,820 men's suits, 836,255 women's coats and dresses, 5,525 pairs of women's shoes, 13,964 carpets... ... and in the tannery the Soviet investigation commission found seven tons of hair.

Here's what it looks like (from the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (http://www.ushmm.org/)):

http://gabucino.be/picz/hairmadness.jpg

In this perfectly aligned scene of actors, I mean soldiers, all standing in the right spot to make everything visible, this guy even goes over the top and shows the camera (camera!) where hair can be usually found on the humans, because someone may not know:

http://gabucino.be/picz/hairmadness02.jpg

Himmler decides to dismantle the installations on 1944 November 25 (Raul Hillberg: Destr. of European Jews, page 980), and the processes begin. No hurry there, because the camp is still allegedly operational in January 17 when soviet artillery was already audible. So they didn't just forget the evidence during a 'quick evacuation'.

The germans went to great lengths to totally destroy Treblinka, not even use the term "Vergasungskeller" in written text anywhere, but accidently left several tons of highly flammable clothes and hair completely intact ... Or so the famous soviet inspectors say, long time known for their sense of absolute truth, professional courtesy, and the complete lack of idealistic and political influence.

Not that I don't believe in the HoCa, I do. I really do. I said I do! ... DON'T TAZE ME BRO'!!! *bzzt*

[IanC]

Suuure Gabucino... it's all just one big lie to make the Nazis look bad. :roll:
Anyways why is this thread even in the SHIII game forum?

[mookiemookie]

Not that I don't believe in the HoCa, I do. I really do. I said I do! ... DON'T TAZE ME BRO'!!! *bzzt*

What a disgusting attitude and belief.

[KL-alfman]

@ gabucino:
no need for believing, there is evidence enough.

I'd rather sail bare-footed than in socks made of human hair ......
can't imagine the u-boatmen were attracted to this idea either.

[Gabucino]

What a disgusting attitude and belief.

There is no need for you to get personal, don't do that.

[Schöneboom]

For crying out loud, isn't this topic dead yet?! Let me finish it off, then. It's Christmas Eve!

Anyone who knows how socks are manufactured could have debunked this story in seconds. One of my ex-girlfriends was into knitting, so I learned a few things from her.

1) Socks -- the kind for real-world use by modern people, are not made from felt, they are knitted from yarn.
2) Yarn can be spun from many sorts of fibers, but some work better than others. My GF sometimes used her dog's hair (it had a wooly texture). Human hair is particularly hard to work with because it's slippery and, in bulk, lacks uniformity of length & texture. If it were practical to use, hairdressers everywhere would be selling the cuttings from their floors.
3) Any industry using vast amounts of human hair to make yarn would not be a secret for long. And the Final Solution was meant to be kept low-profile.
4) A clothing shortage can be remedied in other ways, for ex., get crewmen to bring their own socks from home. (In fact U-boat men did wear civvies on board.) In real desperation, confiscate ready-made socks from prisoners or civilians in occupied countries. Wash thoroughly and re-use.

It stands to reason that someone would have preserved physical evidence, if any existed. Extraordinary claims such as this require extraordinary evidence. From what I can tell, there is more compelling evidence for the existence of UFOs than for human-hair socks! Are we done yet?

Happy Christmas,
Wayne

[mookiemookie]

There is no need for you to get personal, don't do that.

Get over it.

[NeonSamurai]

SS-Wirtschaftsverwaltungshauptamt
Oranienburg,
August 6. 1942
Amtsgruppe D - Concentration Camps
D II 288 Ma./Ha. Tgb. 112 geh.
SECRET!
Copy 13
Re: Use of hair cuttings
To the Commandants of the Concentration Camps Arb., Au., Bu., Da., Flo., Gr.Ro., Lu., Maut/Gu., Na., Nie., Neu., Rav., Sahs., Stutth., Mor., SS SL Hinzert.
SS Obergruppen fuhrer Pohl, Chief of the SS Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt has ordered that the hair of concentration camp prisoners is to be put to use. Hair is to be made into industrial felt or spun into yarn. Woman's hair is to be used in the manufacture of hair-yarn socks for 'U'-boat crews and hair-felt foot-wear for the Reichs-railway.
It is therefore ordered that the hair of female prisoners be disinfected and stored. Men's hair can only be put to use if it is longer than 20 mm. SS Obergruppen fuhrer Pohl therefore agrees for an intial trial period to the growing of the prisoners hair to a length of 20 mm before it is cut. Long hair could facillitate escape and to avoid this the camp commandants may have a middle parting shaved in the prisoners' hair as a distinguishing mark, if they think it is necessary.
It is planned to planned to set up a hair processing workshop in one of the concentration camps. Further details as to the delivery of the accumulated hair will follow.
The total monthly amount of male and female hair is to be reported to this office on the 5th of every month beginning from September 5, 1942.
signed: Glucks
SS-Brigadefuhrer und
Generalmajor der Waffen-SS

This is the origin of the idea. Contrary to what was said, you can in fact knit with human hair and make yarn out of it (here is an example (http://www.rijkeboer.com/index.php/rijkeb/frontpage)), particularly if it is mixed with wool or other material. Human hair can also be made into felt just as easily. There is in fact still market to this day for human hair that is used in weaving and other things.

Gabucino, I'm not even going to bother debunking you, not that it wouldn't be very hard to, as your last post and that racist little anti-Semitic comic you posted earlier make it very apparent that it would be an utter waste of my time.

[Gabucino]

Gabucino, I'm not even going to bother debunking you, not that it wouldn't be very hard to

:har:

as your last post and that racist little anti-Semitic comic you posted earlier make it very apparent that it would be an utter waste of my time.


It could hardly be called antisemitic, as it had no problems with arabs, ethiopeans, assyrians, or other semitic people. :sunny:

[Hitman]

Hummmm I think I'm closing this thread before someone manages to get an infraction on Xmas day :88) It is anyway not an appropiate subject of discussion for this forum, nor for this part of the year, don't you guys think so?