Who says Texans live in the dark ages? [Archive]

Skybird

12-13-09, 07:23 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8410389.stm

Hmm now I lived there, and personally I'm suprised but hey should be a non-issue.
If they do not parade with it and do not try to score by popinting out that they are gay, it shouldn'T be an issue, yes.

We have a gay mayor in Berlin, who unfortunatly is very populistic, craving for publicity, and has openly lobbied for gay's events, so his orientation is not an issue, but the way he tried to maike profit from it (that he is very left-leaning and also incompetent in running the city'S businesses does not help, too).

Current german foreign minister also is gay. Of course he had choosen his great day of gay pride and thought he must let all the world know about this happy circumstance some years ago, but beyond that he does not make a big deal of it.

Other gay members of parliament however take every opportunity to go on crusade even in foreign countries, like that idiot from the Greens who went to Russia or Poland or Ukraine, I forgot which country it was, to attend a gay march there - and then wondering that he got himself a bloody nose from riot police there. He probably overlooked that he was member of the German parliament only, and not member of the Ukrainean or Polish parliament.

Gays are not a problem. The gay freaks giving all gays a bad name - these are a problen, and often I take offence from their behavior.

Skybird

12-13-09, 07:38 PM

That her sexual preference was not a hindrance to democratic office is not
a victory for the equality of people, but a sign that the victory has already
been won.

Jolly good.

And what a total victory it is. Not many social groups have the power and status to bring city life to a halt when they want to have a parade, and not many other groups are getting so much media attention and get discussed in the media and school classes so frequently like gays, and not many groups can be so confident to acchieve a moral ban of any criticism of their behavior by calling it "discirmination", even if the criticism holds some truth.

Whenever I hear today of discrimination of gays in modern western societies, I must break out in laughter. On occasions the hetero majority gets discriminated over gay interests!

Letum

12-13-09, 07:47 PM

Skybird

12-13-09, 07:48 PM

Wow. Looks like gay people are really making your life tough SB.

Simply gays: never. Freaks: yes.

And you know what? Damn many gays seem to see it that way, too! ;)

Méo

12-13-09, 07:50 PM

I am curious...

Was this a vote for Ms Parker or an Anti-Democrat vote? :hmmm:

Happy Times

12-13-09, 07:56 PM

Wow. Looks like gay people are really making your life tough SB.

If all the discriminations against hetros' gets too much for you then you
should put on your most manly pair of lederhosen, find some buddies and
go on a hetro' pride march.

Thats the point, you cant go to an hetero pride, white pride march etc. without being labelled as a gay hater or a racist.

In Finland the gay night clubs have rooms for casual intercourse, its part of their "culture".
If ordinary clubs had those they would be raided by the police very fast.

Shearwater

12-13-09, 08:02 PM

I am curious...

Was this a vote for Ms Parker or an Anti-Democrat vote? :hmmm:

Both of them are Dems.

antikristuseke

12-13-09, 08:20 PM

Thats the point, you cant go to an hetero pride, white pride march etc. without being labelled as a gay hater or a racist.

In Finland the gay night clubs have rooms for casual intercourse, its part of their "culture".
If ordinary clubs had those they would be raided by the police very fast.

What the **** would you call someone on a white pride march other than a racist?

The idea of taking pride in ones sexual orientation or skin colour allways seemed weird to me. It should not be something to either be ashamed of or take pride in.

Onkel Neal

12-13-09, 08:25 PM

Nah, this is no big deal and anyone who makes a big deal out of it has their own issues.

Letum

12-13-09, 08:36 PM

Thats the point, you cant go to an hetero pride, white pride march etc. without being labelled as a gay hater or a racist.

Activism by underprivileged or persecuted minority groups be they gender,
religious, sexual or racially based, is historically a highly successful way of
creating a fairer society and leading to increased civil rights.

At the same time, there has always been, and continues to be, activism by
majority groups. There have been Men's, white, Christian and straight
rallies since the beginning of the 20th century. They have a somewhat
darker history to say the least.

Méo

12-13-09, 08:40 PM

Both of them are Dems.

Oops..:oops: I should have checked first!

Both of them are Democrats, an openly gay person elected in Texas...

Well, from an exterior point of view that's, indeed, very surprising!

Where I live I consider ourselves pretty open-minded and we never had a gay leader elected. :hmmm:

Letum

12-13-09, 08:48 PM

Where I live I consider ourselves pretty open-minded and we never had a gay leader elected. :hmmm:

Assuming there is no strong correlation between sexuality and careers in politics, that's not surprising given the small percentage of gay people.

Letum

12-13-09, 08:53 PM

Wow. Looks like gay people are really making your life tough SB.
Simply gays: never. Freaks: yes.

Tell me SB; on a scale of 1-10 where '1' is 'not at all' and '10 is 'it's hardly worth living anymore', how hard are these "freaks" making your life?

Stealth Hunter

12-13-09, 09:07 PM

One. Lol. But it's a start in the right direction.

antikristuseke

12-13-09, 09:09 PM

Tell me SB; on a scale of 1-10 where '1' is 'not at all' and '10 is 'it's hardly worth living anymore', how hard are these "freaks" making your life?

You concidering becoming one in an effort to get skybird to kill himself? :D

Skybird

12-13-09, 09:37 PM

Tell me Letum, on a scale from 1 to 10, how offending is it to you if almost naked people next to you conduct obsceneties and sexually provocative actions - in a cultural environment where nudity and sexual practice still are banned to the private sphere and could - and do - violate other people's feelings and shame?

I am by far no sexually inhibited person, but I think the modern society is totally over-saturated with sexual overkill stimuli both from the media and social rules of conduct being pushed beyond limits. And not only does it kill my nerves, but I also see it doing damage.

Again, no problem with normal gays - and as I said in earlier threads, I know from gays themselves that they hate these "freaks on parade" themselves. Most gays do not wish to be asscoated with the freak show CSD has turned into. People making their sexuality a public business and think they must violate public consensual rules by forcing others needing to witness their naughtiness and call that a test of "tolerance" - these are a problem. Not to me in special, but to your society in general.

Identity does not get defined by unlimited tolerance for all and everything, Letum. Tolerance needs limits. My limits regarding sexuality for example are met when considering scenes from CSD, or a domina in black leather leading a man on the line lkike a dog - in public, or a camera team in a quick action shoots a porno under a public bridge - or gays and lesbians thinking they must kiss and touch half naked on parading trucks becasue they think they must act their secual orientatiton in public demonstration . That may be okay in other, natural cultures, or during an orgy, but it is not okay in our cltural public context. And that is where the normal people, gay or not, get separated from the freaks who hijack the public to make it a part of their mating habits.

Unlimited freedom you can only get by total rejection of any communal identity alltogether - and that is anarchy. You cannot violate social values and and communal rules and puszh them to the limits forever, and think that this would keep the identity feeling of the community intact.

With nudity and sexuality, it is quite much like with relgion. It is your oprivate thing, keep it in your pirvatesphere where you can do whatever you want. where you demand the public to accept special recognition for your belief or sexuality, you are no longer relgious or privbate, but become political. And then it is when religion and sexuality of the few become a nuisance, a problem, a threat for all.

what it comes down to, in plain English, is this: if people are around or could turn around the corner any moment, keep your buttocks where they belong: in your trousers, covered, and don't make such a big deal of your sexual preferences and practices. That simple it is, Letum. If you can't see that - bad for you.

Read my sig. If you haven't noticed it, it is fully valid in the context of this thread's object, too. If you don't believe that, try to criticise a gay rights march in a public media - and see how very intolerant the PC brigade and those being criticised all of a sudden can become. The acceptance of almost totalitarian rules to enforce your withdrawing from your opinion often is not far away then.

Skybird

12-13-09, 09:46 PM

Activism by underprivileged or persecuted minority groups be they gender,
Gays and lesbians in Western nations - underpriviliged or persecuted .

Hahahahahahahaha.

There are many nations where they are indeed. Modern western nations like Germany, France, England, Sweden, America do not belong to these.

Letum

12-13-09, 09:49 PM

Read my sig. If you haven't noticed it, it is fully valid in the context of this thread's object, too.

...your suggesting that there is an onslaught of intolerant gay people
destroying our tolerant society?
However shall we defend our selves from all the double entendres and bare bums!

Perhaps I am just yet to "witness their naughtiness".

Gays and lesbians in Western nations - underpriviliged or persecuted .

Hahahahahahahaha.

There are many nations where they are indeed. Modern western nations like Germany, France, England, Sweden, America do not belong to these.

England certainly does.
It's getting better, especially in less rural places and amongst the young, but unfortunately
there is still plenty of prejudice and 'traditional' values about.
The recent scandal of the reporting of the death of a gay singer in a tabloid here is but the
mildest of examples.

Onkel Neal

12-13-09, 10:30 PM

Oops..:oops: I should have checked first!

Both of them are Democrats, an openly gay person elected in Texas...

Well, from an exterior point of view that's, indeed, very surprising!

I have to say, "dark ages"? Surprising? Sounds like some of you are uninformed and basing your knowledge on dated stereotypes.

GoldenRivet

12-13-09, 11:16 PM

I have to say, "dark ages"? Surprising? Sounds like some of you are uninformed and basing your knowledge on dated stereotypes.

Yup...

Ask anyone who has never been to Texas and they will probably tell you.

Rednecks and cowboys everywhere, nothing but desert waste land with tumbleweeds... dry... acrid place filled with uneducated SUV driving gunslingers where justice is served at the end of a rope. :har:

To those folks... i say, come stay 3 days at my old man's bed and breakfast and see for yourself what the climate, people and landscape are really like.

Méo

12-13-09, 11:25 PM

I have to say, "dark ages"? Surprising? Sounds like some of you are uninformed and basing your knowledge on dated stereotypes.

Well, I'm not the one who used the “dark ages” expression, this is indeed a stereotype (I didn't even know before that this expression existed to describe Texans).

Trust me, there are also a lot of stereotypes about us in Québec.

It's not because I am surprised that I tend to offend anyone in Texas.

I'm just basing on many comments and threads in GT, a lot guys here seem to have a “phobia” about democrats, that's why I'm surprised that an openly gay democrat person had been elected.

nikimcbee

12-14-09, 12:31 AM

I have to say, "dark ages"? Surprising? Sounds like some of you are uninformed and basing your knowledge on dated stereotypes.

Having been to Texas three times, I can confirm that TX is not in the Dark Ages. They have atleast made it to the early 20th century. Neal did have this kind of modem though:http://blog.tmcnet.com/sip-invite/old-telephone.jpg
And I did see a few horseless carriages'. Here's a picture of Neal's SUV:http://www.cacegypt.org/interlinks/pictures/horselessCarriage.JPG

You must be thinking of AR or LA.

GoldenRivet

12-14-09, 12:46 AM

Louisiana... he is definitely thinking of Louisiana :haha:

XabbaRus

12-14-09, 04:05 AM

I have to say, "dark ages"? Surprising? Sounds like some of you are uninformed and basing your knowledge on dated stereotypes.

I was trying to be humourous. I know Texas isn't like that, but the stereotype is.

I don't think Texas is full of pickup driving rednecks called Bubba, but many people do.....

Note to self : don't try to be funny.

Tribesman

12-14-09, 04:28 AM

Louisiana... he is definitely thinking of Louisiana It can't be Louisiana, God smote that place with a mighty flood for its tolerance of people with a homosexual orientation.

this is no big deal and anyone who makes a big deal out of it has their own issues. Yep those that make a big issue out of gays often turn out to be real screaming queens in secret.

Skybird

12-14-09, 06:31 AM

I have to say, "dark ages"? Surprising? Sounds like some of you are uninformed and basing your knowledge on dated stereotypes.
Since I have had my first TI-30 long time ago, at least I know they can count from 1 to 10. :D

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8012/ti30led.png (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/ti30led.png/)

Onkel Neal

12-14-09, 06:41 AM

Whew! Ok, I feel better. I mean, come on, of course we elected a gay Democrat for Mayor. The other candidate was a black Democrat. :O:

Méo

12-14-09, 10:53 AM

of course we elected a gay Democrat for Mayor. The other candidate was a black Democrat. :O:

I took a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Texas

Surprised again, I thought Texas was a Republican bastion...

Well I've learnt something today. :DL

I guess I have a lot to learn about how politics works in the U.S. :hmmm:

Snestorm

12-14-09, 11:07 AM

What the **** would you call someone on a white pride march other than a racist?

The idea of taking pride in ones sexual orientation or skin colour allways seemed weird to me. It should not be something to either be ashamed of or take pride in.

There's nothing wrong with showing pride in ones beliefs or ethnicity.

The problem is that the minorities are given a green light, while the majorities are given a red light and given a PC label with an "ist" or "ism" tacked on for effect.

There was a gay guy running for office in The Netherlands who was assasinated.
Fact is, had I been dutch, I would have voted for him for his political stances, regardless of his sexual preferences.

mookiemookie

12-14-09, 11:16 AM

Snestorm

12-14-09, 11:29 AM

Read my sig. If you haven't noticed it, it is fully valid in the context of this thread's object, too. If you don't believe that, try to criticise a gay rights march in a public media - and see how very intolerant the PC brigade and those being criticised all of a sudden can become. The acceptance of almost totalitarian rules to enforce your withdrawing from your opinion often is not far away then.

Truth in exposing the double standard of the "tolerence" and PC croud. Write on (double meaning intended).

AVGWarhawk

12-14-09, 12:02 PM

Onkel Neal

12-14-09, 01:09 PM

I took a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Texas

Surprised again, I thought Texas was a Republican bastion...

Well I've learnt something today. :DL

I guess I have a lot to learn about how politics works in the U.S. :hmmm:

Just in case no one caught that, that was sort of a joke. You know, Texans elected a gay woman because the only alternative was a black man...humor...eh? Probably not as funny as the voices in my head made it sound... :88)

antikristuseke

12-14-09, 01:15 PM

There's nothing wrong with showing pride in ones beliefs or ethnicity.

The problem is that the minorities are given a green light, while the majorities are given a red light and given a PC label with an "ist" or "ism" tacked on for effect.

There was a gay guy running for office in The Netherlands who was assasinated.
Fact is, had I been dutch, I would have voted for him for his political stances, regardless of his sexual preferences.

How can you take pride in something that you had nothing to do with. You do not choose your ethnicity, it is something you are born with. Personally only take pride in my achievements.
White pride is just as silly as black pride or yellow pride etc. in my book.

Morts

12-14-09, 01:15 PM

Snestorm

12-14-09, 01:19 PM

This is not a big deal. Just another day in politics and realty of the USA. There are many gays and lesbians that are productive members of society. You will find gays in lesbians in every part of the working world.

They aren't terrible people. The fact that they are homosexual has as much to do with us, collectivly, as it does with them.

Homosexuality in animals (4 legged as well as 2 legged) can be brought about by overpopulation. It's one of natures ways of trying to control the birth rate.

Snestorm

12-14-09, 01:24 PM

How can you take pride in something that you had nothing to do with. You do not choose your ethnicity, it is something you are born with. Personally only take pride in my achievements.
White pride is just as silly as black pride or yellow pride etc. in my book.

Do you take pride in your country?

Skybird

12-14-09, 01:48 PM

Do you take pride in your country?
No. Nor do I feel ashamed by my nationality.

Antikristuseke sees it right, I think. You can take pride only in some kind of personal acchievement or performance. A skill you learned. A deed you did. A consequence you caused.

But being proud of living under a blue sky? Or being proud of being born in this country instead of another? - Or being proud of having this skin colour, and not another, or this sexual orientation and not another? where'S your personal acchievement in that quality you are porud of? You did not even contribute to it! Hell, you even did not get asked!

You can prefer this over that, and you can like or dislike to be this or that, or to stay here or there. You can love it and find it pleasant, or not. But being proud? Maybe parents can be proud of the acchievements of their offspring, because their educational success may be reflected in their children'S records, and thus: their investement/contribution. But I already have a problem when it is the other way around and the offspring says he is proud of his father/mother. My father was a classic musician. They said he did well on his instrument. Am I proud of him for having been member of a big famous orchestra? No. It was his acchievement, not mine, and I did not assist him in it. But I love him for being like that, and i love him for having been part of some great music being performed. But love is not the same like pride.

And then a principle thing, since it is often mistaken: pride, and honour, are two different things. What is it many moral systems and religions have to say on pride? They usually do not rate pride as a virtue, but a sin, don't they. I wouldn't go that far, but I prefer honour over pride any day.

so to come back to your question, I used to like living in Germany, because of it's landscape that I like more than most others i have seen in the world, the security and comfort it provides (different to some other nations I have seen) , and the access to medical help that you have (unknown in some countries), if needed. But proud of all that - I am not, because I did not make Germany to be that way.

AVGWarhawk

12-14-09, 01:49 PM

They aren't terrible people. The fact that they are homosexual has as much to do with us, collectivly, as it does with them.

Homosexuality in animals (4 legged as well as 2 legged) can be brought about by overpopulation. It's one of natures ways of trying to control the birth rate.

Well of course they are not terrible people. But I need to qualify that because there are some that are terrible. But this goes hand and hand with hetersexuals as well. Concerning your last sentence and natures way of control birth rate, can you elaborate on this?

Méo

12-14-09, 02:00 PM

You may find this a bit enlightening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

Thanks,

Altough interesting, it's a bit weird, they seem to crossover..

Snestorm

12-14-09, 02:45 PM

No. Nor do I feel ashamed by my nationality.

Antikristuseke sees it right, I think. You can take pride only in some kind of personal acchievement or performance. A skill you learned. A deed you did. A consequence you caused.

But being proud of living under a blue sky? Or being proud of being born in this country instead of another? - Or being proud of having this skin colour, and not another, or this sexual orientation and not another? where'S your personal acchievement in that quality you are porud of? You did not even contribute to it! Hell, you even did not get asked!

You can prefer this over that, and you can like or dislike to be this or that, or to stay here or there. You can love it and find it pleasant, or not. But being proud? Maybe parents can be proud of the acchievements of their offspring, because their educational success may be reflected in their children'S records, and thus: their investement/contribution. But I already have a problem when it is the other way around and the offspring says he is proud of his father/mother. My father was a classic musician. They said he did well on his instrument. Am I proud of him for having been member of a big famous orchestra? No. It was his acchievement, not mine, and I did not assist him in it. But I love him for being like that, and i love him for having been part of some great music being performed. But love is not the same like pride.

And then a principle thing, since it is often mistaken: pride, and honour, are two different things. What is it many moral systems and religions have to say on pride? They usually do not rate pride as a virtue, but a sin, don't they. I wouldn't go that far, but I prefer honour over pride any day.

so to come back to your question, I used to like living in Germany, because of it's landscape that I like more than most others i have seen in the world, the security and comfort it provides (different to some other nations I have seen) , and the access to medical help that you have (unknown in some countries), if needed. But proud of all that - I am not, because I did not make Germany to be that way.

Pride:
Source - The New Oxford American Dictionary.

A feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired. (The team was bursting with pride after recording a sensational victory. - A woman who takes great pride in her appearance.)

The consciousness of one's own dignity. (He swallowed his pride and asked for help.)

The quality of having an excessively high opinion of oneself or ones importance. (The sin of pride.)

A person or thing that is the object or source of a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction. (The swimming pool is the pride of the community.) {End quote from Oxford}.

Pride can and does go far beyond self achievement.

Skybird

12-14-09, 02:56 PM

A definition that catches a widespread populistic understanding of the term, but I very strongly disagree with it's correctness.

wikipedia:

Pride is, depending on the context, either a high sense of the worth of one's self or one's own or a pleasure taken in the contemplation of these things. Social psychologists identify it as linked to a signal of high social status.[1] (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/#cite_note-Shariff-0) One definition of pride in the first sense comes from St. Augustine (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/St._Augustine): "the love of one's own excellence." [2] (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/#cite_note-1) In this sense, the opposite of pride is humility (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Humility).
Pride is sometimes viewed as excessive or as a vice, sometimes as proper or as a virtue. While some philosophers such as Aristotle (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Aristotle) consider pride a profound virtue (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Virtue), most world religions (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Religion) consider it a sin (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Sin).
According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Concise_Oxford_Dictionary), proud comes from late Old English (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Old_English) prut, probably from Old French (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Old_French) prud "brave, valiant" (11th century) (which became preux in French), from Late Latin (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Late_Latin) term prodis "useful", which is compared with the Latin prodesse "be of use".[3] (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/#cite_note-2) The sense of "having a high opinion of oneself", not in French, may reflect the Anglo-Saxons' opinion of the Norman knights who called themselves "proud", like the French knights preux.[citation needed (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
When viewed as a virtue, pride in one's appearance and abilities is known as virtuous pride, greatness of soul or magnanimity, but when viewed as a vice it is often termed vanity (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Vanity) or vainglory. Pride can also manifest itself as a high opinion of one's nation (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Nation) (national pride) and ethnicity (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Ethnicity) (ethnic pride).

As ex-psychologist I especially agree with Wikipedia's entry on pride in psychological understanding:

Pride is "a pleasant, sometimes exhilarating, emotion that results from a positive self-evaluation" (Lewis, 2002). The standard view of pride was that it results from satisfaction with meeting the personal goals set by oneself. Most research on pride attempts to distinguish the positive aspects of pride and the negative. Pride involves exhilarated pleasure and a feeling of accomplishment. Pride is related to "more positive behaviors and outcomes in the area where the individual is proud" (Weiner, 1985). Pride is generally associated with positive social behaviors such as helping others and outward promotion. According to Bagozzi et al., pride can have the positive benefits of enhancing creativity, productivity, and altruism.

The reference to oneself, one's own view of oneself, one's own merits, is dominant in these explanations. While they mention nation in one sentence, nevertheless I question the justification for that. at least one has to base national pride on one's own role in giving the nation the status one is proud of. Just having won this and no other ticket in the birth lottery is not enough to explain national pride. And where oyu are refering to be porud on your role in that nation'S fate, you again refer - to yourself and your personal role, merit contribution.

If you do not play any role in forming your nation, you have no cause to be proud to be of that nationality. and that can be said of ethnicity, social groups and whatever else, too.

Snestorm

12-14-09, 03:04 PM

A definition that catches a widespread populistic understanding of the term, but I very strongly disagree with it's correctness.

wikipedia:

Pride is, depending on the context, either a high sense of the worth of one's self or one's own or a pleasure taken in the contemplation of these things. Social psychologists identify it as linked to a signal of high social status.[1] (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/#cite_note-Shariff-0) One definition of pride in the first sense comes from St. Augustine (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/St._Augustine): "the love of one's own excellence." [2] (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/#cite_note-1) In this sense, the opposite of pride is humility (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Humility).
Pride is sometimes viewed as excessive or as a vice, sometimes as proper or as a virtue. While some philosophers such as Aristotle (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Aristotle) consider pride a profound virtue (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Virtue), most world religions (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Religion) consider it a sin (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Sin).
According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Concise_Oxford_Dictionary), proud comes from late Old English (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Old_English) prut, probably from Old French (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Old_French) prud "brave, valiant" (11th century) (which became preux in French), from Late Latin (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Late_Latin) term prodis "useful", which is compared with the Latin prodesse "be of use".[3] (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/#cite_note-2) The sense of "having a high opinion of oneself", not in French, may reflect the Anglo-Saxons' opinion of the Norman knights who called themselves "proud", like the French knights preux.[citation needed (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
When viewed as a virtue, pride in one's appearance and abilities is known as virtuous pride, greatness of soul or magnanimity, but when viewed as a vice it is often termed vanity (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Vanity) or vainglory. Pride can also manifest itself as a high opinion of one's nation (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Nation) (national pride) and ethnicity (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Ethnicity) (ethnic pride).

As ex-psychologist I especially agree with Wikipedia's entry on pride in psychological understanding:

Pride is "a pleasant, sometimes exhilarating, emotion that results from a positive self-evaluation" (Lewis, 2002). The standard view of pride was that it results from satisfaction with meeting the personal goals set by oneself. Most research on pride attempts to distinguish the positive aspects of pride and the negative. Pride involves exhilarated pleasure and a feeling of accomplishment. Pride is related to "more positive behaviors and outcomes in the area where the individual is proud" (Weiner, 1985). Pride is generally associated with positive social behaviors such as helping others and outward promotion. According to Bagozzi et al., pride can have the positive benefits of enhancing creativity, productivity, and altruism.

I'll stick with The New Oxford American Dictionary.
Somehow Oxford impresses me as a higher authority on the english language (US or EN) than Wikipedia.

Méo

12-14-09, 03:05 PM

Just in case no one caught that, that was sort of a joke. You know, Texans elected a gay woman because the only alternative was a black man...humor...eh? Probably not as funny as the voices in my head made it sound... :88)

That's ok. :DL

You know sometimes we don't really get the right picture of what someone is trying to say, especially for those of us whose native language is not english.

Fortunately, the smilies are really cool. :D

Snestorm

12-14-09, 03:21 PM

Well of course they are not terrible people. But I need to qualify that because there are some that are terrible. But this goes hand and hand with hetersexuals as well. Concerning your last sentence and natures way of control birth rate, can you elaborate on this?

I would love to but, that was something I read many years ago about herd animals beginning to dry-hump (same sex) when the herd got to big.

Problem 1: I have no idé what the source was, or even if was a highly reliable one.
Problem 2: Is that I saw the similarity to human behavior and drew my own conclussion based on some ancient societies. (And no, I will not elaborate on which societies for fear of starting a new GT war).

ETR3(SS)

12-14-09, 03:25 PM

Homosexuality is nothing new to the world. It's been around since the Spartans at least. I don't see what the big deal is..oh...wait never mind, Christianity has a problem with it.:shifty:

AVGWarhawk

12-14-09, 03:25 PM

I would love to but, that was something I read many years ago about herd animals beginning to dry-hump (same sex) when the herd got to big.

Problem 1: I have no idé what the source was, or even if was a highly reliable one.
Problem 2: Is that I saw the similarity to human behavior and drew my own conclussion based on some ancient societies. (And no, I will not elaborate on which societies for fear of starting a new GT war).

I was just wondering and thought it to be a strange theory.

Snestorm

12-14-09, 03:41 PM

I was just wondering and thought it to be a strange theory.

It is a-bit different isn't it.
Well, "the buck stops here", the theory was completely mine, as is the responsability for it's faults. It's just something I considered many years ago, and hadn't even given a second thought until today.

It's probably better labeled a Consideration than a Theory.

Skybird

12-14-09, 06:44 PM

Homosexuality is nothing new to the world. It's been around since the Spartans at least. I don't see what the big deal is..oh...wait never mind, Christianity has a problem with it.:shifty:
Not only Christianity. Ask Islam, for example. ;)

However you are right, homosexuality usually is no big issue and must not be an issue, neither in nature, nor amongst humans. But some people try to turn it into a big issue, and they want everybody else to take note of it. And then it is a big issue. Not by nature - but by effort.

Freaks, you see.

Platapus

12-14-09, 06:54 PM

Not only Christianity. Ask Islam, for example. ;)

However you are right, homosexuality usually is no big issue and must not be an issue, neither in nature, nor amongst humans. But some people try to turn it into a big issue, and they want everybody else to take note of it. And then it is a big issue. Not by nature - but by effort.

Freaks, you see.

It is not a big issue if someone is black either..... until society made it an issue being black. The same applies to homosexuals. It should not be a big issue... until society makes it a big issue.

So, please consider, that when homosexuals "make a big deal out of it" it may be in response to the "big deal" societies have made about them first.

mookiemookie

12-14-09, 07:13 PM

So, please consider, that when homosexuals "make a big deal out of it" it may be in response to the "big deal" societies have made about them first.

Which brings us full circle to why this was such news. Ms. Parker was elected mayor of the largest city of a state that has a reputation for making a "big deal" out of, and being not very accepting of, gays and lesbians.

I admire her for not making it an issue in the campaign, and not making it an issue during her time as comptroller of Houston. She was very matter of fact about it, and that does her credit.

As I said in the beginning of this thread - I'm very proud of my city.

Tribesman

12-14-09, 07:18 PM

So, please consider, that when homosexuals "make a big deal out of it" it may be in response to the "big deal" societies have made about them first.
Yep, after all the "pride" festivals started out of persecution didnt they , a response to a police action IIRC.
Some places still have that persecution thing which is why these protests should continue, yet Skybird seems to delight in gays getting a beating from the cops when they go to those places to demonstrate against the persecution.

Skybird

12-14-09, 07:30 PM

It is not a big issue if someone is black either..... until society made it an issue being black. The same applies to homosexuals. It should not be a big issue... until society makes it a big issue.

So, please consider, that when homosexuals "make a big deal out of it" it may be in response to the "big deal" societies have made about them first.

I do not follow a logic saying that because in the past there have been injustice due to let's say the patriarchat now we should have a matriarchat, or because there was a right wing dictatorship it is excusable if now we have a left wing dictatorship. I also do not follow that logic with regard to homosexuals having been persecuted in the past, so now they have unlimited freedoms as "compensation". Even less so if that somebody eventually claiming that compensation has not been a victim in the past - because he did not live then.

also you ignore the differentiation I made between homosexuals that are ordinary normal people and do fit into society unsuspicioulsy and unspectacular and without making a show of themselves, and freaks that are thinking they must provoke and misbehave, or people thinking they must rub it to you at every opportunity how very much gay they are and how very much "in" it is to be gay. That has nothing to do with the past, or a balance of justice "past versus present".

It simply is about something so natural as: good behavior in public, in differentiation to bad behavior. And it is about people having the right not needing to be confronted with the sexual orinetation issues of others that do not understand that their private stuff does not belong on public stage, but to their private sphere.

And what people do and think in their private sphere, has never been of concern for me, or in this thread.