Michele Bachmann for President 2012

[Onkel Neal]

First.

I'm just saying.

[Tribesman]

Didn't they learn anything from putting Palin on the ticket?

[SteamWake]

I have a bumper sticker on the door of my office it reads as follows

SARA PALIN !
2012
The worlds going to end anyhow

:haha:

I dont know whom they will select but if they are smart they will choose a solid fiscal conservative.

[AVGWarhawk]

At this point, yeah, she has my vote. She is good looking also. :D

[Skybird]

SARA PALIN !


Best thing that could happen to Obama. I'm sure Palin candidating get's all Democrats full support.

[AVGWarhawk]

Best thing that could happen to Obama. I'm sure Palin candidating get's all Democrats full support.

You are correct. Right now, there does not seem to be a shining star to win over Obama. However, Obama star is losing some of that shine so perhaps a new shiny star is not required.

[Fish]

Michele Bachmann

Against gay rights, against abortion and in favor of teaching ID (In October 2006, Bachmann told a debate audience in St. Cloud, Minnesota (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/St._Cloud,_Minnesota), that "there is a controversy among scientists about whether evolution is a fact or not.... There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Nobel_Prize), who believe in intelligent design.")in public school science classes?
Nobel prize winners?:hmmm:

Well, it's your country Neal.

[AVGWarhawk]

Michele Bachmann

Against gay rights, against abortion and in favor of teaching ID (In October 2006, Bachmann told a debate audience in St. Cloud, Minnesota (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/St._Cloud,_Minnesota), that "there is a controversy among scientists about whether evolution is a fact or not.... There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Nobel_Prize), who believe in intelligent design.")in public school science classes?
Nobel prize winners?:hmmm:

Well, it's your country Neal.


Yeah, and she is good looking. :D

[Onkel Neal]

Michele Bachmann


Nobel prize winners?:hmmm:



Obama? :haha:

[Skybird]

Check your facts. Don't compare what Fish said with your return.

[ETR3(SS)]

I think you missed the joke in there Skybird.

[Skybird]

When it comes to Neal and jokes, I have lost all sense for humour.

:O:

[August]

What is it with Minnesota? First they elect "The Body" as governor, then they send Stuart Smalley to the US Senate and now this weirdo?

Personally I blame their extensive Finnish population... :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

I just want to know if Pelosi really did sleep with Tiger Woods :hmmm:

[nikimcbee]

What is it with Minnesota? First they elect "The Body" as governor, then they send Stuart Smalley to the US Senate and now this weirdo?

Personally I blame their extensive Finnish population... :yep:

:haha::haha::haha:
That depends on which part of the state you're talking about? The southern part is all krauts and Czechs, the Scandanavian part is everywher north of the Twin Cities.

I blame lutefisk:har:

Although, The Body did give MN it's first tax refund (which I got):yeah:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Michele Bachmann

Against gay rights, against abortion and in favor of teaching ID (In October 2006, Bachmann told a debate audience in St. Cloud, Minnesota (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/St._Cloud,_Minnesota), that "there is a controversy among scientists about whether evolution is a fact or not.... There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/Nobel_Prize), who believe in intelligent design.")in public school science classes?
Nobel prize winners?:hmmm:

Well, it's your country Neal.

It's my country, too, and I'm already INCREDIBLY embarrassed that she holds high office.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

What is it with Minnesota? First they elect "The Body" as governor, then they send Stuart Smalley to the US Senate and now this weirdo?

Personally I blame their extensive Finnish population... :yep:

Um, Al Franken is INCREDIBLY smart and well educated.

Also, I personally thought Jesse Ventura was amusing. Less talented men have risen to higher office than him *coughcoughBush43coughcough*

[Onkel Neal]

It's my country, too, and I'm already INCREDIBLY embarrassed that she holds high office.

Great, I feel the same way about Obama, and he holds an even higher office.

[August]

Great, I feel the same way about Obama, and he holds an even higher office.

Well he's got the incredibly smart and well educated Stuart Smalley to back him up because, by gosh, socialism is worth it!

[Skybird]

Great, I feel the same way about Obama, and he holds an even higher office.
If you replace one fool with another fool, you hardly get a better country.

Palin-clone, it seems to me. Or is it the other way around?

[GoldenRivet]

If you had told me in 2002 that the next president would be named "Barrack Hussein Obama" i would have laughed directly in your face.

shows what i know.

but i have this much faith in America at this point.

your next winning presidential / VP ticket will probably be:

drum roll please............

Ras Al-Kheima / Felipe Calderon


Speaker of the house: Hu Jintao


Secretary of Defense: Jane Fonda


God as my witness [He has to be my witness now because he will be outlawed by 2012] but... God as my witness i would not be surprised!

EDIT:

the next big thing... the next really big presidential news story of my generation: When a gay couple gets into the whitehouse... what do you call the "life partner" of the president? "First Fabulous"? "First Life Partner?"

God help us

[Méo]

The Bush/Republican administration had been in office from January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009 : in 8 years of power we have seen:


- September 11 terrorist attacks.

- Endless war in Afghanistan.

- Endless & useless war in Iraq (no weapons of mass destruction found).

- Financial crisis of 2007-2009 (been called by leading economists the worst since the Great Depression)


The human & financial cost of all of the above is almost impossible to measure.

Despite of all this you guys still trust the Republican Party, I really don't get it.

But like Fish said: it's your country!

I just don't get it. :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

the next big thing... the next really big presidential news story of my generation: When a gay couple gets into the whitehouse... what do you call the "life partner" of the president? "First Fabulous"? "First Life Partner?"
"The Other"

[gutted]

The Bush/Republican administration had been in office from January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009 : in 8 years of power we have seen:


- September 11 terrorist attacks.

- Endless war in Afghanistan.

- Endless & useless war in Iraq (no weapons of mass destruction found).

- Financial crisis of 2007-2009 (been called by leading economists the worst since the Great Depression)


The human & financial cost of all of the above is almost impossible to measure.

Despite of all this you guys still trust the Republican Party, I really don't get it.

But like Fish said: it's your country!

I just don't get it. :hmmm:


we're fighting wars BECAUSE of 9/11. Had that event not taken place, it would be a different story.

many idiots the world over despise bush, but he didn't start this whole mess. Radical Islam did.

thankfully, bush WAS in office then.. because if that idiot Al Gore was.. who knows wtf would have happened. He prolly would have blamed it on global warming.. or they may have attacked again due to a weak response on our part.

It's easy to blame bush, but bush held the roof down. He had principles and was rigid. you knew what you were getting, and he was the right man for that job.

This amature we have now? pffft. dont even get me started on that tele-prompting arse kissing puppet.

in 2012.. any party OTHER than democrat will be a godsend to the nonsense we're putting up with right now. It's a liberal circle jerk right now. I'm registered as Independant.. and the way i feel right now the republicans could put donald duck on the stand and i'd vote for him just to put an end to this lunacy.

p.s. Why do Non Americans feel they have a right to bash political parties in our country? Do you think i really care what party is currently in power in say.. Canada? Or better yet... do i even know what parties exist in canada? Because i honestly dont..... nor care. Because it doesn't apply to me.

[Stealth Hunter]

we're fighting wars BECAUSE of 9/11. Had that event not taken place, it would be a different story.

In Afghanistan, where the people who did the bombings were located, that's applicable. Iraq on the otherhand was and still is just a farce as far as the United States' military exploits are concerned and it will live on as one for decades if not centuries to come.

many idiots the world over despise bush, but he didn't start this whole mess. Radical Islam did.

Again, while that can be applied to Afghanistan, radical Islam never has been a problem in Iraq- because Saddam wouldn't tolerate these people. He knew their destructive capabilities, so he kept them out. When we invaded and toppled him, there was no way to keep them from flowing in. And now Iraq is in the state it's in because of our interference for less than valid reasons.

thankfully, bush WAS in office then.. because if that idiot Al Gore was.. who knows wtf would have happened. He prolly would have blamed it on global warming.. or they may have attacked again due to a weak response on our part.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not on that last part.

It's easy to blame bush, but bush held the roof down. He had principles and was rigid. you knew what you were getting, and he was the right man for that job.

Lol, "held the roof down". Why is it that all this tension in the Middle East didn't explode like it has now until we invaded Iraq? That did nothing but boil the pot over, and it wasn't even for a valid reason that we entered. God only knows how many ordinary people died; who knows how many children. Bush only knew the number of soldiers because he had people to count the casualties for him; 6,000 of our soldiers alone killed, 35,000 wounded- and that's not even counting Coalition numbers. The Opinion Research Business surveys conducted suggest numbers for total dead (civilian, military, insurgent) a number between 733,150 to 1,446,000.

Nothing short of a condoned, senseless slaughter.

This amature we have now? pffft. dont even get me started on that tele-prompting arse kissing puppet.

Lol, he hasn't even been in office a year and already the right attacks him like he's been there two terms already. Look, Bush had 8 years to fix our problems. And while he's not to blame for causing all the ones we're currently facing, he certainly didn't do a lot to prevent the ones we're still having to contend with which began under his administration. Iraq aside, he failed to provide any kind of oversight into the flimsy mortgage-backed securities market (which is part of the reason why we find ourselves in this current economic mess, his legislative actions allowed the NSA to perform warrantless surveillance of people they considered "suspects of enemy support", the country's deficit ballooned under his administration, the No Child Left Behind act ultimately did nothing but cost us millions of dollars and teach our children how to take tests (and not how to memorize and apply what they learned to everyday life), his response to the effects of Katrina were not only incompetent but also outrageously ineffective in the end, and the whole Guantanamo Bay affair will more than likely leave him (and rightfully so) as one of the worst presidents in this country's history.

I will admit though that his work with AIDS in Africa is quite commendable, and he should be recognized more for it (that applies to you, Meo). And it is also true that his establishment of the Department of Homeland Security did a lot to help prevent further terrorist attacks. He's not THE worst president, but the large number of failings he had as president certainly don't assuage the small number of successes. If anyone, Warren G. Harding was the worst for letting the treasury fall apart like it did. Then Hoover and Roosevelt were stuck with his mess.

in 2012.. any party OTHER than democrat will be a godsend to the nonsense we're putting up with right now. It's a liberal circle jerk right now. I'm registered as Independant.. and the way i feel right now the republicans could put donald duck on the stand and i'd vote for him just to put an end to this lunacy.

Well you certainly don't lean as an Independent. Nothing but good things to say about Bush and nothing but bad things to say about Obama. I'm a member of the Social Democrat Party, but take notice the only times I ever bother to jump on Bush is when people outlandishly claim he was nothing but a great president who had no failings whatsoever. I don't call him the worst, and I don't call Obama the best. Somebody better will always come along.

p.s. Why do Non Americans feel they have a right to bash political parties in our country?

Because we have something called freedom of speech and they're entitled to it as much as any other person, no matter what you or anyone else thinks.

Do you think i really care what party is currently in power in say.. Canada? Or better yet... do i even know what parties exist in canada? Because i honestly dont..... nor care. Because it doesn't apply to me.

Your words say one thing, your actions speak volumes of another. To even acknowledge these people even though you scrutinize them shows you care to some extent; your better move would have been to simply ignore them and not even pay attention to them. Not that it makes this kind of attitude any less stupid, because parties in power in Canada effect the politics of the world. You'd be wise, as a result, to pay attention more to them.

[Tribesman]

we're fighting wars BECAUSE of 9/11
No, you are fighting wars because Bush decided to fight a stupid war instead of fighting the war that was because of 9/11.
Having an idiot wasting time and resources is the reason why you are still completely stuck.

p.s. Why do Non Americans feel they have a right to bash political parties in our country?
Because as your country is a global power it affects people all over the world.
So when you elect a moron we have the right to criticise it.

do i even know what parties exist in canada? Because i honestly dont..... nor care
Ah that unique approach where people revel in ignorance. I can see why you like Bush.

[gutted]

Ignorance is bliss :D

[Stealth Hunter]

Ignorance is bliss :D

And pulling out a one liner to counter opposing views doesn't make yours any more correct. Quite the contrary, actually. Lends more credence to the statements of the opposition by imponing that you cannot back up your position with anything valid.

[gutted]

I'm not trying to counter anything. Contrary to the internet standard of arguing and picking apart every line of someones post to prove a point... i put out my viewpoint and move on (most of the time).

Noone is going to change my (or his) mind, so why bother?

[Stealth Hunter]

Why not? It doesn't mean others with more open minds don't listen and change. Nothing lost but some time.

[gutted]

Ok i'll amuse you further then.

I'm not a bush fanboy. Nor did i agree with everthing he did. Had there been a better rival than Al Gore or John Kerry.. i may have voted against him.

I am also FROM New Orleans.. and know full well the screw up. But you can't put all the blame on him. My anger was directed at FEMA... and the idiots who didn't evacuate when told to.

That said, my despise of the liberal base is strong enough for me to overlook some of the crap that went on during the Bush years. Even then, i dont feel it was as bad as the mainstream media makes it out to be.

and yes, im very much independant. I will never tie my vote to a party.. but if the democrats keep pushing their brand of big wasteful governement.. i'm going to be forced to vote against it over and over again.

[Tribesman]

Ignorance is bliss
You demonstrate the first word, I suppose the 3rd word is very subjective though the ignorance implies that you wouldn't understand bliss anyway.

I'm not trying to counter anything.
You demonstrate that ignorance word again.
Simple lesson.
If you quote what someone has written and write a reply that goes against what they said then you are trying to counter it:yep:

Noone is going to change my (or his) mind,
With your fondness of ignorance are you sure you even have a mind?


So you are in denial of being a republican fanboy, in denial of your actions, yet proud of your ignorance.
Have you considered joining Palin in a run for office?

[Skybird]

Why do Non Americans feel they have a right to bash political parties in our country?

1. Free speech.

2. Some of your internal politics effect us in other countries as well, and sometimes as costly and even more costly than your self. That gives us a legitimate interest for these special things that you are doing. On the other hand we do not care that much for things that do not effect us, only your self, stopping at your borders.

Do you think i really care what party is currently in power in say.. Canada?
If Canada raises any kind of threat to you, and has a global influence that effects you by its consequences, you would.

Or better yet... do i even know what parties exist in canada?
I fear not.

Because i honestly dont..... nor care.
A wide- spread attitude of people not to care before one gets effected even if then it is too late already, or thinking one must not care because the others are not important anyway. Both means: bad mistake.

[August]

Because as your country is a global power it affects people all over the world.
So when you elect a moron we have the right to criticise it.

And we Americans have a right to see your criticisms as the self serving tripe that they are and ignore it. Clean up the messes in your own countries first then come talk to us...

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't care what Tribesman or Skybird say...Michele is still cute. Screw free speech and what America does that affects the world :O:

[TDK1044]

How do we get from:

"First.

I'm just saying."

To the usual boring left/right rhetoric?

I think the Community Organizer will have broken his word so many times by the time we get to 2012 that Tiger Woods could get elected. At least when you get screwed by him you end up with a nice lump sum.

[AVGWarhawk]

How do we get from:

"First.

I'm just saying."

To the usual boring left/right rhetoric?

I think the Community Organizer will have broken his word so many times by the time we get to 2012 that Tiger Woods could get elected. At least when you get screwed by him you end up with a nice lump sum.

Yeah, and Michele might get a piece of Tiger. :har:

[SteamWake]

How do we get from:

"First.

I'm just saying."

To the usual boring left/right rhetoric?

I think the Community Organizer will have broken his word so many times by the time we get to 2012 that Tiger Woods could get elected. At least when you get screwed by him you end up with a nice lump sum.

All you have to do is look at the sources and you have your answer.

[Onkel Neal]

How do we get from:

"First.

I'm just saying."

To the usual boring left/right rhetoric?

I think the Community Organizer will have broken his word so many times by the time we get to 2012 that Tiger Woods could get elected. At least when you get screwed by him you end up with a nice lump sum.

I don't know :) I'm not even claiming I'm a supporter of hers, but I can see her having an impact on the 2012 campaign. So, if she ends up running for President in a couple years, I wanna be able to say I predicted it here :shucks:

That, and a lively debate is always fun.

[TDK1044]

How about Michele and Palin on one side, and Hillary and Barney Frank on the other. Then we could have a Bitch Fest! :)

[Onkel Neal]

Haha, on no. :dead:

Actually, I'm really hoping Palin does not get in the race at all, I still cannot condone quittin the governor's seat.

[TDK1044]

Haha, on no. :dead:

Actually, I'm really hoping Palin does not get in the race at all, I still cannot condone quittin the governor's seat.

What's the old saying, Neal....

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely :)

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Great, I feel the same way about Obama, and he holds an even higher office.

Does Obama regularly say things which are both ignorant and stupid?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

If you had told me in 2002 that the next president would be named "Barrack Hussein Obama" i would have laughed directly in your face.

shows what i know.

but i have this much faith in America at this point.

your next winning presidential / VP ticket will probably be:

drum roll please............

Ras Al-Kheima / Felipe Calderon


Speaker of the house: Hu Jintao


Secretary of Defense: Jane Fonda


God as my witness [He has to be my witness now because he will be outlawed by 2012] but... God as my witness i would not be surprised!

EDIT:

the next big thing... the next really big presidential news story of my generation: When a gay couple gets into the whitehouse... what do you call the "life partner" of the president? "First Fabulous"? "First Life Partner?"

God help us

Tolerance and diversity are terrible things, I know.

[TDK1044]

Does Obama regularly say things which are both ignorant and stupid?


"It is wonderful to be back in Oregon," Obama said. "Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states."

:rotfl2:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

"It is wonderful to be back in Oregon," Obama said. "Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states."

:rotfl2:

LOL!!! Yeah, I KNEW that was coming!!! A bit predictable. But let me show you my original post, w/a key word emboldened

Does Obama regularly say things which are both ignorant and stupid?

How many times could one mine stupid quotes from Bachmann vs Obama? What do you think the ratio on that would be?

[TDK1044]

Regularly....no. But there have been a few gems in his first year. :)

[TDK1044]

You know, I think Barack Obama is an honorable man. I believe that he loves this Country and that he wants the best for it.

The problem is that he genuinely believes that the US is great because of Government, and he therefore seeks to increase Government involvement in the every day lives of our citizens.

I believe that he's wrong. In my opinion, the US is great because of individual, entrepreneurial achievements made in the private sector. We are strong because of small business enterprises, where people start with nothing and take the personal risk in order to succeed.

President Obama wants a society where the Government removes the risk. He offers more security at the price of freedom. When you travel down that road, you end up with a society based on From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

[August]

Regularly....no. But there have been a few gems in his first year. :)


It would be impossible to come to an accurate count as the MSM plays favorites.

[Méo]

Clean up the messes in your own countries first then come talk to us...

Which messes are you talking about?

[Fish]

Obama? :haha:
Obama? Don't tell me he is an IDer.:doh:

[SteamWake]

Haha, on no. :dead:

Actually, I'm really hoping Palin does not get in the race at all, I still cannot condone quittin the governor's seat.

Thats not her plan. Trust me she will not run however she will be quite influential none the less.

[Skybird]

As my mother had put it: Palin is the living proof that creationism is true. She cannot be the product of an evolutionary process that took longer than just 6 thousand years. :DL

And my father added at that opportunity: look at her perfect evolutionary design. Everything that increases her chances to breed is there: looks, and anything that just drives men away, is lacking: brains. :D

[SteamWake]

As my mother had put it: Palin is the living proof that creationism is true. She cannot be the product of an evolutionary process that took longer than just 6 thousand years. :DL

And my father added at that opportunity: look at her perfect evolutionary design. Everything that increases her chances to breed is there: looks, and anything that just drives men away, is lacking: brains. :D

You just keep beleving that Palin is a drooling loon. I think you will be supprised in the long run.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

You just keep beleving that Palin is a drooling loon. I think you will be supprised in the long run.

Um, large numbers of stupid people acting stupidly doesn't clear another stupid person of their stupidity.

(Gee, I wonder if there will be a "clever" attempt to turn my words against me, vis-a-vis the 2008 election? Naaaah, too predictable.)

[Tribesman]

You just keep beleving that Palin is a drooling loon.
People have said she is a loon, her words and behaviour seems to back that up.
But a drooling loon?
I think not.
It might have been said about some of her fans though.

[Skybird]

You just keep beleving that Palin is a drooling loon. I think you will be supprised in the long run.
Actually she already has surprised me, many times. I often could not believe what I heared when she opend her mouth.

[Stealth Hunter]

Actually she already has surprised me, many times. I often could not believe what I heared when she opend her mouth.

Couldn't even name one Supreme Court case. ONE. Seriously, not even Brown v. the Board of Education? Or Marbury v. Madison? McCulloch v. Maryland?

[Platapus]

Couldn't even name one Supreme Court case. ONE. Seriously, not even Brown v. the Board of Education? Or Marbury v. Madison? McCulloch v. Maryland?

I can't believe that anyone anyone with half a brain when asked to name one supreme court decision they disagreed with and not immediately blurt out Dred Scott v. Sandford 1857. Dred Scott should be a no-brainer.

Plessy v Ferguson 1896 would also be a good one.

But no, the only one she could think of was Roe v Wade? How much does anyone want to bet that Palin has no idea about Doe v Bolton 1973? :nope:

[August]

I can't believe that anyone anyone with half a brain when asked to name one supreme court decision they disagreed with and not immediately blurt out Dred Scott v. Sandford 1857. Dred Scott should be a no-brainer.

Plessy v Ferguson 1896 would also be a good one.

But no, the only one she could think of was Roe v Wade? How much does anyone want to bet that Palin has no idea about Doe v Bolton 1973? :nope:

Plat you sound like a lawyer interviewing for an appointment to the bench. :DL

Maybe a better question for a non lawyer running for Vice President would be which Presidential decision did they disagree with?

[Platapus]

Plat you sound like a lawyer interviewing for an appointment to the bench. :DL

Maybe a better question for a non lawyer running for Vice President would be which Presidential decision did they disagree with?

I agree, but the question asked by the reporter was about supreme court decisions they disagreed with.

I agree that it was not a good question, but if she was willing to run for VP, 10 minutes worth of research on supreme court decisions could have saved her a lotta grief. She should have known that running on the GOP ticket someone might ask her that question. By being able to answer that question more completely, with a few more non-abortion examples, she could have still made her talking point about Roe v Wade.

But by portraying herself as only knowing Roe v Wade, she came off as an uneducated person with regards to Supreme Court decisions and one only interested in abortion issues.

But I agree, it was not a appropriate question to ask a VP. There are only two questions that are needed to be asked to a VP candidate

1. Do you know the number of the White House Physician?
2. Is your black suit pressed? :har: :D

[nikimcbee]

I thought this was a Bachman thread?
I thought I'd look some stuff up on her:
http://bachmann.house.gov/Biography/

[nikimcbee]

What about obama's prowess in geography.:har:

[August]

10 minutes worth of research on supreme court decisions

Yep plus 10 minutes worth on each of any number of other irrelevant subjects that could have been asked. What I think happened is that she froze. She was so wound up trying not to say something stupid that could be used against her that she ended up not being able to say anything at all, which was used against her.

Understandable given the MSM's hostility for Republicans but still not very Presidential.

Then like Neal says there's the whole quitting thing. Now an Alaskan friend of mine tells me the behind the scenes reason for the resignation was the politically motivated lawsuits being continually being brought against her getting in the way of performing her duties as Governor but I don't know if that is a really valid argument for someone running for the 2nd highest office in the land. She ought to have been able to eat that pressure and ask for more imo.

[Méo]

I often could not believe what I heared when she opend her mouth.

Have you ever heard that? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtvo-ffySh4