Pearl Harbor Day

[Bubblehead1980]

Attended a Memorial Service today with my grandfather, very moving.A survivor of the attack spoke briefly, really makes you think about things.Never forget...

[clayp]

ABSOLUTELY remember the greatest generation and all the hero's that didn't make it home!!!!!

[Rockin Robbins]

We're losing those guys quickly now. It's a great tragedy that soon we won't have any first-hand witnesses of the attack. I wonder how the history of the event will change then, without any one to correct the sensational claims of new information that sell the most books? I wonder if our grandchildren will "remember" a much different Pearl Harbor than the one we've been told by the men who fought there.

I sure hope the inevitable revisionists don't totally obscure the lessons we learned at the cost of 2,402 American lives and many more wounded. Perceived weakness WILL be exploited by those who do not hold the same value to human life that we do. Projecting our values on the rest of the world is just plain foolishness and the only prudent course is absolute readiness and strength. Peace is the result of being too strong for an enemy to think he can gain by attacking. Aside from that there is no peace.

[halcyonskys]

exploited by those who do not hold the same value to human life that we do.. the awesome comaradarie that is amoung the armed forces men.. yet like the poloticians and some military others who decided to let pearl harbor intentionally get hit to help get the american people behind what they were about to do.. 911 anyone? =/ sucks the people have to become statistics to people who run countrys like board games. but then it was that way with germany, russia and others as well i spose; same as it ever was.

anyways.. sad times.

great show today on the history channel.. 3 hours of pearl harbor.. their rerunning it a few times.
its hard to think about how many people were lost, not just their, but on the assorted islands and elsewhere as well. simulators are fun.. the real thing sucks.

[Rockin Robbins]

And thus the revisionists begin their attack, transferring the blame for the attack from the Japanese who originated the plan and piloted the planes and ships responsible to American politicians, presumably in a dark conspiracy to destroy the republic by killing..... It is absolutely ridiculous and predictable, just as are the stupid conspiracy theories attached by similar revisionists to the Kennedy assassination, the World Trade Center bombing, the Pentagon suicide plane, the Iraq war...

The facts are boring, let's invent something dark and bizarre: a conspiracy from within! It wasn't the Japanese who attacked, it was a conspiracy of high US government officials who sought to gain by killing off our own people. Bullhockey! Incompetence is not the same thing as complicity.

Now if you want to research incompetence that DID border on complicity then look into MacArthur's refusal to perform any readiness operations in the Philippines even after bad weather postponed Japanese attack for almost a week. Dozens of ammunition, food and medical dumps were simply left in place to be abandoned to the Japanese. No attempt was made to prepare the Bataan Peninsula for the obvious battle which was to follow. MacArthur was just enjoying his retirement in a cushy Philippines assignment and had no war plans at all. War was unthinkable, therefore it could not happen as far as he was concerned.

Yet MacArthur is a hero today and Roosevelt and company get to be painted as some kind of traitors. Bullhockey! Go away with revisionist nonsense!

[WarlordATF]

All i can say or do is to offer a <SALUTE> in Memory of those who died and in Honor of those who were changed forever on this day 68 years ago.

:salute: R.I.P. and Godbless!

[DarkFish]

All i can say or do is to offer a <SALUTE> in Memory of those who died and in Honor of those who were changed forever on this day 68 years ago.

:salute: R.I.P. and Godbless!
a salute to all who died in ww2, Japanese and German troops not any less than US troops
:salute:
(I would bless you in name of my god too but Odinbless sounds so weird...:))

[Bubblehead1980]

lol robbins we have clashed a few times in the past but we pretty much think the same way, the revisionists really are candidates for the funny farm.

Although, I do believe that JFK was most likely carried out by more than one lone nut, just too many lose ends.Smells like poo, looks like poo, it's prob poo, thats all I have to say about that.As for those who claim Pearl Harbor, 9/11 etc was an inside job, as you put it, bullhockey!:damn:

[orangenee]

a salute to all who died in ww2, Japanese and German troops not any less than US troops
:salute:
(I would bless you in name of my god too but Odinbless sounds so weird...:))

Also mention goes out to those out there at war now too, I'm a vet of Kosovo and Afghanistan from years ago, and Afghanistan is no joke, even worse now, as I sure you've heard.

So as well as World War II, a salute goes out to all those who have fought and died in wars past and present.

Shame there isn't many WWII vets left now though, I always enjoy the stories.

[Pacific_Ace]

Yet MacArthur is a hero today and Roosevelt and company get to be painted as some kind of traitors. Bullhockey! Go away with revisionist nonsense!

I'm with Bubble. It causes me pain to agree with RR and I shall most likely have to take medication and spend the day in bed after this :haha:

But he is CORRECT! Stinnett makes a decent argument on the surface but if there is one thing the United States government is singularly incapable of it is a conspiracy of this magnitude and at that level. People attach far more power and influence to the government than it really has.
People that think little puffs of smoke towards the bottom of the WTC right as they were coming down means they were bombs have no conception of basic physics and the ones that think steel beams cannot fail at temps far below their actual melting point need to learn basic metallurgy. They are also complete nutbag morons that have zero business wading in the genetic pool.
MacArthur was an immature prima donna who had no business leading anything more than a Boy Scout Troop.

[Rockin Robbins]

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[clayp]

a salute to all who died in ww2, Japanese and German troops not any less than US troops
:salute:
(I would bless you in name of my god too but Odinbless sounds so weird...:))


I dont give a twit what happened to any japs or germans.....:down: The suffering they caused in the world can never be repayed.....:nope:

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[Sailor Steve]

I dont give a twit what happened to any japs or germans.....:down: The suffering they caused in the world can never be repayed.....:nope:
Some were good, some were bad, most were just boys doing what they thought was their duty. There were plenty of bad ones, and the mindset they held should not have existed. But that went for some of ours as well.

[orangenee]

Oh I grant you, some of the Japanese crimes were beyond diabolical (Unit 731 for example) and we don't need to cover the Nazi party's contribution, but fact is most of those who fought were in no way involved with anything like those things, and were ordinary men fighting for a cause.

The Allies did some iffy things too, see the bombing of various high density civilian populations, for no other reason than the "bad guys" did it to us.

[clayp]

Guys lets leave it right where it is because I really get going on this subject and I want to remain welcome here...:D

[Sailor Steve]

Well then you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Very little gets me going more than someone saying something forceful and then telling me I shouldn't respond.

[tomoose]

Having just come out of Afghanistan myself I'd have to say "you had to be there" to all the revisionists and revisionists-to-come. It's one thing to pass judgement years after the fact and/or sitting in the comfort of ones home etc compared to being in the actual situation at the time whether you be a soldier, politician or civilian. If I'm to be honest with myself and I was to imagine myself as an unemployed young 18-year old in Germany in '39 caught up in the resurgence of the country etc, would I have joined the German military? Probably. Would I have considered joining the "elite SS"? Maybe, given it was probably promoted much like we promote our own airborne or special forces today. Peer pressure is one thing that translates across the years, LOL. The context/mindset/culture today is drastically different than in the 30s and 40s it's completely hypocritical and totally unrealistic to think we can apply our modern day thinking to the situation/culture back then.

[clayp]

Well then you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Very little gets me going more than someone saying something forceful and then telling me I shouldn't respond.

You can answer all you want..I didnt tell you not to,I'm just not saying any more....Speak your mind...:hmmm: