View Full Version : Let me ask why: MANY questions, NO answers
urfisch
12-01-09, 04:54 AM
hey folks.
i see all day new posts in this forum. and i really feel ashamed, to see so many of you participate in discussing so passioned about this new game. CAUSE it is all for the dump. nothing is answered, what we are talking about here! nothing is considered. the devs seem to be working on other things right know, as the CEO of UBI already stated, there will be delays in publishing games of the Q1 2010. what means, they are focussing on other games right know.
this is an explaination, why we starve this lack of information. i feel kicked in the ass from UBI, that one has to search such infos for himself. they seem to be not interested any more in getting us involved in the process of this game. what the hell is going on? i think the dev-team itself would be pleased to twitter us some news every few days. so why are they not allowed to? why do they let us sit here in the dark, greedy like hungry wolves.
for us, as one of the most passioned communities of the world, this is not acceptable.
anyone joins?
Yosarian
12-01-09, 05:17 AM
Let them do their job, I do not judge a game on pictures, videos before a release. If Ubisoft gives more information it's ok but I can life also without them and that's very peaceful :|\\ I make my decision to buy SH5 or not after the release.
Seeadler
12-01-09, 05:30 AM
SH4 was also announced in August and only at mid-December there were other trailers released. There is nothing unusual in this behavior. I bet around Dez. 15 we see more stuff:03:
My guess, they are too busy working on the game, especially now that 'crunch time' will now be upon them,
I reckon when the Ubi devs finnish work (probabaly late at night from overtime) the last thing they feel like is to come here to get interogated.
Having the devs log in to SS to answer our questions is a privalege, not a right.
:yep:
danlisa
12-01-09, 05:53 AM
Hype/Speculation = Sales
Hype/Speculation = Sales
yeah, face it every time they give something away, we get a dozen posts of negative scrutiny, along the lines of:
'bla bla bla, extremely worrying bla bla bla Im rather concered".....(and it ususally ends with): Bla bla bla "I think i will wait until it has been out for a year before I buy SHV".
Not exactly encouraging them now, is it?
TDK1044
12-01-09, 06:51 AM
The Devs don't owe anybody here anything. They work for Ubisoft. As a courtesy, and because they have formed some friendships here, some of them choose to be members here.
Ubisoft decides what information is released prior to the release of their games, not their Devs. If Dan or Mihai were to say too much here, their jobs could be on the line.
The OP should take some of his pink pills and wait for Ubisoft authorized press releases like the rest of us.
danlisa
12-01-09, 06:56 AM
The OP should take some of his pink pills.....
Follow the white rabbit and take the blue pill.
TDK1044
12-01-09, 07:52 AM
Follow the white rabbit and take the blue pill.
Even better! :DL
PL_Andrev
12-01-09, 08:25 AM
Let me ask why: MANY questions, NO answers
Public Relations?
Why UBI should issue a new SH5 movie or answer questions if 80% fans said publicly that they buy the game in 1 day sale?
Huh?
Shiplord
12-01-09, 08:44 AM
Public Relations?
Why UBI should issue a new SH5 movie or answer questions if 80% fans said publicly that they buy the game in 1 day sale?
gamers on their way to buy a game on release day:rotfl2:
Modderator action: photo depicting nudity removed
mookiemookie
12-01-09, 10:33 AM
The more time they waste in creating pretty screenshots and teaser videos, the less time they're actually doing real work on the game.
Ubi owes you nothing. It is what it is, the game will be out when it's out and we'll all have plenty of time at that point to dissect it, evaluate it and critique it. Its pointless to opine on a half finished product anyway.
People are so darn impatient anymore.
Philipp_Thomsen
12-01-09, 10:40 AM
Dunno why all the fuzz.
You all know that eventually you are going to buy the game anyways.
@urfisch
I perfectly understand why you're getting impatient to see/know something more concrete, but JU_88 and mookiemookie got some very good arguments. :hmmm:
Only hope that Seeadler made a good guess so we could have something new before Christmas...
People are so darn impatient anymore.
I agree.
Though I guess impatience grows because Ubi has decided not to publish any SH5 dev diary video, whereas there were some for SH4.
Maybe people start to like to hear about the development of their upcoming favourite game through this kind of video. :hmmm:
:DL
skwasjer
12-01-09, 01:17 PM
The marketing department <> the dev department...
Annatar
12-01-09, 01:19 PM
My impatience mainly comes from the fact that Ubisoft are answering community questions every week or so, but that the questions they choose to answer are trivial bull**** full of "maybe" this and "hopefully" that, with no real actual news at all.
No effort seems to have been made to answer some of the very intelligent and important questions that members of this community have offered up. I'd rather no news than half-assed news. It's incredibly frustrating.
$00.02c
SteamWake
12-01-09, 01:50 PM
You know they dont "have" to answer a damn thing if they dont want to.
Its their product and can and will market it as they see fit.
Get over it for cryin out loud.
Schultz
12-01-09, 02:06 PM
I think that our studio from Romania is working on sh5, and maybe the CEO wanted to say that the other studious are working at the other games.
AVGWarhawk
12-01-09, 02:15 PM
Is there a new submarine game coming out? :06: I have never spoken with a game developer, ever! Not until I started playing the SH games. The developers are here most days answering questions and participating. So what is wrong?
Annatar
12-01-09, 02:33 PM
You know they dont "have" to answer a damn thing if they dont want to.
Its their product and can and will market it as they see fit.
Get over it for cryin out loud.
That doesn't make them immune to criticism. It's not like Ubi are doing you a favour by selling you a game. If they don't want to relase any news to their customers that's their decision, but nobody should expect the customers to maintain a healthy and optimistic outlook with no worthwhile communication.
HundertzehnGustav
12-01-09, 03:57 PM
Damn, dudes... i still love sh3, so i have faith in the Dev team.
love the screenshots, but eh, until the day i produce something worth buying, i shall refrain from b!tching.
Have some faith and have some patience.
THEY do read our suggestions.
THEY are not allowed to open up their mouths - or lose their Jobs. (and that would be a shame for SHV, wouldn' t it?)
THEY are answering best they can, when they can.
WE are to respect their work, because none of us can do better. (And no, claiming "i am the customer, you must do as i wish" aint gonna work)
WE are to check out carefully what ever news they release - read between the lines and such.
WE are top discuss points that seem important to us, and keep offering thoughts and ideas, if we have some.
WE are to expect nothing, but hope for the best.
no?
Annatar
12-01-09, 04:01 PM
Don't pretend to be the the one and only customer of UBI. So far you out of luck to find any topic friends, so I suggest you to get over what we already know instead of demanding UBI to pleasure your wishes.
I never said that I was the only customer, nor that Ubi should do what I want. In fact I specifically stated that they're free to do whatever they like. Try learning some reading comprehension, champ.
mookiemookie
12-01-09, 04:07 PM
but nobody should expect the customers to maintain a healthy and optimistic outlook with no worthwhile communication.
Wrong. You're projecting your opinion onto the community as a whole.
I have faith in the very talented guys in Romania to put out a great sim with the time and resources they're given. I don't need to be constantly reassured that this feature or that feature is in the game. The dev team reads these forums, they respond to the community's wishes in the best way they can and have proven that over and over. That's all you can really ask for. Video trailers and screenshots are just treats, and not an obligation owed to us.
I'm very optimistic and happy that there's even a SH5 that's being made. After the debacle that was SH4, I figured Ubi was done with the series. I think you should find a more constructive outlet for your frustration born from impatience.
Annatar
12-01-09, 04:08 PM
Oh wow more apologists for the Ubisoft money machine. GO TEAM.
mookiemookie
12-01-09, 04:13 PM
Oh wow more apologists for the Ubisoft money machine. GO TEAM.
If you're this fired up now, it will be fun to see your righteous rage on release day when everything isn't up to your exacting standards. Are you going to post one of the "OMG THE GAME SUX CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT TIME" threads we saw so much of when SH4 was released? :rotfl2:
Oh wow more apologists for the Ubisoft money machine. GO TEAM.
Yes Ubisoft make money for what they do, how dare they?
This must mean they are all greedy and evil!
Attack!!!
:dead:
HundertzehnGustav
12-01-09, 04:46 PM
Keelhaul 'em!
:O:
Ju88+1000
:rotfl2:
I could only make it down to the really ugly picture of the people buying a new game (the one with the people walking through an ASS. That was beyond the pale).
Any how,
SHOW SOME FREAKIN PATIENCE!!!
Honestly some of you are as bad as some fangirls I know of waiting for a music artist's latest album.
The game is getting completed, so called BS answers are being answered because some in the community DEMAND communications of some kind, forgetting about the fact every time they have the Q&A sessions that is one or several hours no real work is getting done on the game.
Frankly UBI would have been wise to just say "We are making an SH5, it is gonna rock!!! Wait in Fear!!" and slam the door shut until the project is complete.
(the "wait in Fear" is a favorite line of a music artist I like. He uses it whenever he is about to completely blow the socks off of his fans....several months later, be glad UBI does not do that)
And for crying out loud quit criticizing the game before it is even out!!!
Train Sim 2 (shutdown)
Flight Sim (shutdown)
Feel lucky your even getting a new Sub Sim.
TDK1044
12-01-09, 05:20 PM
Oh wow more apologists for the Ubisoft money machine. GO TEAM.
A money machine that has made a modest but by no means huge profit from the Silent Hunter series. Ubisoft is also the only Publisher currently producing WWII sub sims.
So please keep wowing us with your room temperature IQ. It's amusing. :)
THE_MASK
12-01-09, 05:30 PM
Everyone is entitled to an opinion though . I agree not much info atm is annoying but i guess its because they are too busy with the game i hope .
TDK1044
12-01-09, 05:37 PM
Yeah. It's December. The Devs have a little time left for tweaks and optimizing, and then it's all about sales and marketing. :)
Torplexed
12-01-09, 08:41 PM
It's funny. Back in the nineties some of the best titles I ever bought, I had really nothing more to go as a selling point than what was on the box art and whatever blurb was printed on it. There were some duds to be sure, but gems as well like Panzer General, Aces of the Deep and Civilization II. The best part was discovering all the pleasant surprises and features you didn't realize would be included in the game having not spent the last six months of your life anticipating it every minute. Nowadays, it seems like so many people want a live feed direct from the developer's studio to watch every line of code laid into place. The result when you finally get the game is no pleasant surprises, and usually disappointment because it doesn't live up to your overheated expectations, and that feature you argued about on the internet for so many months wasn't quite what you hoped for. It often feels like a game you already own since you know it inside and out.
Too bad.
Lord Justice
12-01-09, 08:53 PM
think of santa, celebrate new year, get body fit again, start of febuary think about order hardware gettin pc fit (upgrades), mid feb install the new parts, no dev news start to worry. until then be cool cats... when the wolf will dwell with the lamb, the leper will lay with the kid.:woot:
karamazovnew
12-01-09, 09:28 PM
It's funny. Back in the nineties some of the best titles I ever bought, I had really nothing more to go as a selling point than what was on the box art and whatever blurb was printed on it. There were some duds to be sure, but gems as well like Panzer General, Aces of the Deep and Civilization II. The best part was discovering all the pleasant surprises and features you didn't realize would be included in the game having not spent the last six months of your life anticipating it every minute. Nowadays, it seems like so many people want a live feed direct from the developer's studio to watch every line of code laid into place. The result when you finally get the game is no pleasant surprises, and usually disappointment because it doesn't live up to your overheated expectations, and that feature you argued about on the internet for so many months wasn't quite what you hoped for. It often feels like a game you already own since you know it inside and out.
Too bad.
Excellent point. I bought Flight Unlimited instead of Flight Simulator 95 just because the box looked cool (lucky me). At around the same time, the first game magazine in Romania, Game Over, started to appear. It was like the Bible for me. I can't recall any bad game in the first 10-15 numbers. There weren't even game scores at first. It was a selection of the Best of the Best and the reviews were never technical, no game was compared to another. Most of them were already 2-3 years old, but who cared? I still remember the Final Fantasy 7 review: "Mihai doesn't like it because it doesn't have voices. We don't like Mihai." :har:. Those were the times :|\\
Torplexed
12-01-09, 09:57 PM
"Mihai doesn't like it because it doesn't have voices. We don't like Mihai." :har:. Those were the times :|\\
Now there's a review with heart and soul. :up:
I guess for me it's like Christmas. The best presents were the ones you hadn't already peeked at in the storage closet's upper shelf for weeks. ;)
Ducimus
12-01-09, 10:24 PM
questions they choose to answer are trivial bull**** full of "maybe" this and "hopefully" that, with no real actual news at all.
That doesn't make them immune to criticism. It's not like Ubi are doing you a favour by selling you a game. If they don't want to relase any news to their customers that's their decision, but nobody should expect the customers to maintain a healthy and optimistic outlook with no worthwhile communication.
News is "maybe" or "hopefully" because of tech limitations. Your going to run into ideas you want to do, which the game engine may or may not support. You don't know tell you try. An idea starts as just an idea. Then you move into, a prototype phase, where you hash out the idea within the confines of the game engine. Then you test that prototype to see if its working as you envisioned it. If its not then you have to examine it and figure out why it isn't working correctly and how to fix it.
Sometimes it's not fixable and you have the scrap hours, days, or even weeks worth of work. (I've done this) If you manage to find a fix, then you have to test it again to be sure. All of this takes alot of time, and in any event you can't say squat until your dead certain it's going to make it into the final cut. If you say something openly, people interrpett that as a promise, and you don't want to make promises you don't know if you can keep or not.
As an aside... so what makes it into the final cut? It's all about time management. Some people think that modders don't work under deadlines. I think thats a bunch of crock. Ive always been working under deadlines - as dictated to me by real life. One of the biggest things ive learned, is that it's smarter to work on 3 or 4 things you KNOW you can get done, as opposed to the one or two things you THINK you can get done. Time management, reasearch and development - like the aforementioned bit about having an idea.
I'm also willing to bet that the dev's do read the forums when they have the time, they just don't answer. Either due to lack of time, or simply to avoid forum vitriol. Many is the time it is best to simply read, and not respond.
Working on a large mod pack for SH4 in the manner and fashion that i have (doing/managing most of it by myself), has given me some insight into what it might be like to be a developer working on a SH title. You can call all this an educated guess if you like, but im willing to bet im pretty close to the mark.
Cut the guys some slack. My 2 cents.
One thing I will say is that the Devs have to be very careful what they say, they can't promise something they can't deliver & answering some of the questions can put them into a corner. I'm sure they are reviewing all the questions and trying to add to the game but some maybe too time consuming, not viable, or even impossible with the current engine, then again some may be doable but remain silent for a surprise, in the meantime they have their heads down trying to get the job done in an alloted time with as few bugs as possible. In short we just have to wait and hope they may drop a few more crumbs!!:yep:
GoldenRivet
12-02-09, 01:09 AM
Personally, i think that we are getting a great deal of information given the early nature of the game's development.
We are still a minimum of 4 months away from release... and many of our most pressing questions have been answered directly by the dev team.
I applaud them for their efforts and think that they have been very successful at:
a. keeping us informed as much as possible
b. keeping us in the dark as much as possible
we are like little kids asking for hints on a big box under the Christmas tree... if too many hints are given, the child guesses the gift and the surprise is ruined.
The Devs are doing a good job at guiding our discussions, while also refraining from spoling the surprises that SH5 has to offer.
Snestorm
12-02-09, 01:19 AM
We were given a podium to stand behind, and voice our opinions.
That's quite a gift. Let's not be ingrates.
A thank you to UBI, and another to the devs.
Sailor Steve
12-02-09, 02:02 AM
No, Annatar is right. They owe it to us to publish a weekly update of everything they've accomplished this week, and I mean exact step-by-step descriptions of what's been added, what's been taken out, and even the coding procedures. Anyone who disagrees is bending over for, what was it? "The UBI money machine"?
At the Houston meeting last year, Dan told us that there would definitely be a Silent Hunter 5. He adamantly refused to tell us one single thing about it, and we all joked that we were unhappy but actually we let him know that we understood why he couldn't tell us anything then.
I bought SH1 without knowing anything about it. Same with SH2. When I had problems with that one I went looking for help and discovered SubSim. I was actually part of the group who yelled the loudest when they said SH3 wouldn't have a dynamic career. They listened and they responded, but before that they actually asked us. No one made them do that, and I'm grateful that they did.
It's my opinion that what they've given us so far is well beyond anything we're owed. We have every right to ask for updates, but we have no right at all to demand them. And they are under no obligation to give us any. Complaining about that isn't going to make them give us more. Asking politely once in awhile might or might not, but at least it won't make them less likely to do so.
PL_Andrev
12-02-09, 04:42 AM
we are like little kids asking for hints on a big box under the Christmas tree... if too many hints are given, the child guesses the gift and the surprise is ruined.
PERFECT point of view...
:up:
JScones
12-02-09, 05:24 AM
I'm happy to be told nothing until I get the box in my hands. I think I've bought most games based solely on the pretty little screenshots on the back cover and the four or five "wow" dot points.
Jimbuna
12-02-09, 12:57 PM
I'm happy to be told nothing until I get the box in my hands. I think I've bought most games based solely on the pretty little screenshots on the back cover and the four or five "wow" dot points.
Ditto...and the pretty young lady behind the shop counter :DL
It would be great to get a screenshot or update once in a while.... but honestly guys, when we do, some of us become interested, some of us discuss whether it is concept art or not. It's nice to be kept informed, but it's even better to get a finished product. Give them time to do just that.
These devs took the time out to attend the last Subsim meet in Copenhagen. They took part in everything, took pictures of u-boat details, asked our opinions, and spent an evening showing us a demo. They were NOT just there for the ride. I got the impression that they were just as interested in the game as us. They were interested in the u-boat war and had a good technical and historical knowledge of the u-boat. I cannot speak for Ubisoft's directors, but the devs we met were 100% and would do whatever they could to give us the product we wanted. But remember that their hands are tied by deadlines, budgets and bosses .............just like ours are in our jobs.
But having said that, I still look for any news about SH5 like a kid waiting for Christmas morning!
It would be great to get a screenshot or update once in a while.... but honestly guys, when we do, some of us become interested, some of us discuss whether it is concept art or not. It's nice to be kept informed, but it's even better to get a finished product. Give them time to do just that.
These devs took the time out to attend the last Subsim meet in Copenhagen. They took part in everything, took pictures of u-boat details, asked our opinions, and spent an evening showing us a demo. They were NOT just there for the ride. I got the impression that they were just as interested in the game as us. They were interested in the u-boat war and had a good technical and historical knowledge of the u-boat. I cannot speak for Ubisoft's directors, but the devs we met were 100% and would do whatever they could to give us the product we wanted. But remember that their hands are tied by deadlines, budgets and bosses .............just like ours are in our jobs.
But having said that, I still look for any news about SH5 like a kid waiting for Christmas morning!
Well said :yep:
Takeda Shingen
12-02-09, 05:06 PM
http://webspace.ship.edu/gspaul/animal%20behavior/squirrel%20web%20page/gray_squirrel_pgc3801.jpg
JScones
12-03-09, 02:09 AM
Ditto...and the pretty young lady behind the shop counter :DL
Wow, I wanna know where you buy your games! Over here they're usually pimply faced 15 year old boys or 35 year old long haired louts that look like they've never had a girlfriend (and who'll take 60 minutes to explain in infinite detail why game x is better than game y)!
You just described some of my friends, and guess what.....they are married, and some have really hot wives.
So watch what you say when it comes to appearances :)
Why for the pic of the fuzzball? Not complaining mind you, just curious to the relevance of the critter to the thread.
Seeadler
12-03-09, 01:06 PM
According to an Ubisoft employee, tomorrow a new SH5 video will be possibly published
According to an Ubisoft employee, tomorrow a new SH5 video will be possibly published
I wont ask the obvious....
but that would be nice :up:
we'll see eh.
totodog
12-03-09, 07:21 PM
According to an Ubisoft employee, tomorrow a new SH5 video will be possibly published
I guess we will see tomorrow! :up:
Jimbuna
12-04-09, 07:48 AM
Wow, I wanna know where you buy your games! Over here they're usually pimply faced 15 year old boys or 35 year old long haired louts that look like they've never had a girlfriend (and who'll take 60 minutes to explain in infinite detail why game x is better than game y)!
Not anymore....I hear STEED got a new job elsewhere :DL
I've only seen one female employee in a game store and she look like a troll from WoW.:D
Jimbuna
12-04-09, 04:54 PM
Wow, I wanna know where you buy your games! Over here they're usually pimply faced 15 year old boys or 35 year old long haired louts that look like they've never had a girlfriend (and who'll take 60 minutes to explain in infinite detail why game x is better than game y)!
Oh that's simple :DL
http://z.about.com/d/honeymoons/1/0/C/E/1/08sexshop.jpg
Hey jimbuna thanks for cropping me out of that picture. You know I was buying that 'viapro' for a friend, not for myself.
Torplexed
12-05-09, 06:18 AM
I've only seen one female employee in a game store and she look like a troll from WoW.:D
I usually avoid the stores and go for physical home delivery via UPS. I find I'm ordering a lot more than I used to. :D
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vczlYdHSp2Q/SG0NH_Rq98I/AAAAAAAAAgg/vQm-TRESoxw/s400/sexy_ups_girl.jpg
Jimbuna
12-05-09, 01:27 PM
Hey jimbuna thanks for cropping me out of that picture. You know I was buying that 'viapro' for a friend, not for myself.
LOL :DL
I usually avoid the stores and go for physical home delivery via UPS. I find I'm ordering a lot more than I used to. :D
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vczlYdHSp2Q/SG0NH_Rq98I/AAAAAAAAAgg/vQm-TRESoxw/s400/sexy_ups_girl.jpg
:har:I'm moving to your neck of the woods. Our UPS man don't look like that.
karamazovnew
12-05-09, 07:08 PM
I usually avoid the stores and go for physical home delivery via UPS. I find I'm ordering a lot more than I used to. :D
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vczlYdHSp2Q/SG0NH_Rq98I/AAAAAAAAAgg/vQm-TRESoxw/s400/sexy_ups_girl.jpg
UPS girl: Here's your delivery sir.
Me: But I didn't orderr... uhmm nevermind. Why don't you leave the boxes here and I'll take a look at them after... uhmmm... (10 second pause)... sex. :|\\
JScones
12-06-09, 04:14 AM
I'm impressed she's wearing work-safe leather shoes. Obviously very OH&S conscious at UPS...
mookiemookie
12-06-09, 09:16 AM
I remember that photo set. Her name is Sandy Summers. In case anyone wants to do any...uh...extracurricular educational research. ;)
karamazovnew
12-06-09, 10:02 AM
I remember that photo set. Her name is Sandy Summers. In case anyone wants to do any...uh...extracurricular educational research. ;)
Found a few interesting research stuff. Apparently UPS didn't pay her enough and she took on Photography. :D Searching now for any Cinema educational material. :03:
Jimbuna
12-06-09, 03:47 PM
I'm impressed she's wearing work-safe leather shoes. Obviously very OH&S conscious at UPS...
Looks like her PPE is a little tight/too small :O:
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