GWX is a yawner. [Archive] - SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

JScones

11-27-09, 11:57 PM

and give it a chance?
What's to give a chance? That's just how it is. If the OP wants ships-a'plenty, then maybe he should go back to stock SH3?

you could always install the "radio lite mod"...
WB's "Mission Orders Lite" for GWX3 is, IMHO, a godsend.

and "weather fix" patches for GWX3 you know.
Where's this? :hmmm:

here... the "realism" crowd enjoys the bitter taste of whiskey.
Enjoying a wee dram (well, actually, not so wee) as I write.

SH4... well... its a game.
http://www.lausd.k12.ca.us/King_Drew_Medical_Magnet/images/SmileyPopcorn.gif

Hmmm...why do I suddenly feel like jimbuna? :hmmm::D

GoldenRivet

11-28-09, 12:08 AM

hahaha

I am not sure where the weather fix mod is... all i know is that it was highly recommended when GWX3 was released.

Onkel Neal

11-28-09, 12:15 AM

Boring, boring dull dull dull.

I just returned from a patrol in March of 41; it rained the whole time; one whole month of rain with several days of fog for a treat. Nothing to shoot at. Realism 97%. The incessant radio messages that had nothing to do with my boat or patrol only serves to exercise my right index finger which has to keep punching the + key on the number pad to keep the TC going.

I'm going back to the Pacific.

Have fun in the Pacific. Sorry you didn't find GWX to your liking.

Commander Gizmo

11-28-09, 12:54 AM

hahaha

I am not sure where the weather fix mod is... all i know is that it was highly recommended when GWX3 was released.

If you have it on hand in your install, would you care to share?

Sailor Steve

11-28-09, 01:22 AM

This may be what you're looking for:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=631

But I think a version of this is actually in GWX. The problem is part of stock SH3 as well.

On the other hand, maybe this will be more to your liking:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=424

On the other other hand I play SH4 UBM with Operation Monsun, as well as GWX, and love both for completely different reasons.

I don't think of GWX as a yawner at all. I guess I'm just not so easily bored.

JScones

11-28-09, 01:29 AM

I saw those, but noticed they both only mentioned compatibility with GWX2.0, so was reluctant to use them with GWX3, despite the fact that I hold both Stiebler and Rubini in extremely high regard.

HMCS

11-28-09, 03:30 AM

I'm playing RFB in SH4- so I'm with the realism angle. I'm also familiar with being at sea. It NEVER rains for a month, solid. If that's SH3's issue, then so be it.

So what is recommended is GWX heavily modified....less radio messages, weather modded, etc. etc.

SH4 with RFB isn't exactly arcade shoot-em-up, and it has it's fair share of frustrations. I just happen to think that it's a better crafted sim.

Damo

11-28-09, 04:56 AM

At the end of the day, GWX wasn't designed to please everyone, it was made with great attention to detail and historical fact and went waaaaay beyond what stock SH3 had to offer. They did this free, for us, and asked nothing in return and I for one am thankful.

Now, there are two sides to gaming, the simulation side where things need to be as close to reality as possible, and there is pure gaming, where the action is fast and plentiful for a 'quick fix'. GWX is certainly not the latter, and yes you will spend a long time travelling around without seeing anything, as did the real Kaleuns, that's realism....

As far as the messages go, there are mods to fix them and the weather? Well until Ubi release the SDK there's nothing every modder on the planet can do. From your post, I'd guess you probably ramped up the TC quite a bit and if you'd have taken your time and looked, you'd have read that high TC can cause the weather to 'stick', so it's most probably your fault that you had such a bad experience. Try using no more than 128x and you should see the weather change.

Frankly, I find your post abhorrent and should be deleted because you've obviously not given the mod anywhere near a fair chance and you're throwing dirt in the faces of those that spent hours upon hours of their free time to bring us this gem of a mod. Luckily for you, this community is very open to people's opinions and rarely lower themselves to derrogatory behaviour, but unless you've got A.D.D. I'd suggest you keep your opinions to yourself until you have given GWX a fair chance and you've looked around the forums for some answers to your issues, because it's certain that someone has posted about every one of them.

Just look at my sig, I run ALL those mods alongside GWX and then some, there are more that wouldn't fit on the sig!! Everybody will need to flavor their game to taste, you are no different so get out there and do some reading.

Alternatively, stick with SH4 and enjoy 'gaming'.

Lt.Fillipidis

11-28-09, 06:09 AM

Alternatively, stick with SH4 and enjoy 'gaming'.

Although i wont stop playing GWX, i'll stick to the "extremelly realistic game".
I dont wanna scream "ALAAAAAAAAARM" every time i see a ship.
Especially while living in a city with a huge port... :oops:

Pisces

11-28-09, 06:28 AM

First, whether you find anything depends on where you are looking. As in, what patrol location, in the middle of the atlantic, or nearer to land? Did you ever submerge to listen with your hydrophone in such bad weather? Did you look on the map often enough for 'silent' contact reports that appear. Convoys come with radio messages, but single units don't. Intercept them also! Did you keep your crew (including officer) on watch?

And maximum TC values might even have caused your lonely days. High TC values increases the distance a unit moved before a 'vicinity' check is done. In a matter of speaking, it might have 'jumped over' your 3d -bubble, instead of inside of it.

As for the weather, afaik the weather fix was allready built-into GWX 3. (even 2.x) The limitation of the fix however was when the player saved and reloaded his games frequently. A certain number of days (which I can't remember unfortunately) must pass before the 'change weather' timer kicks in. If saved too soon the timer gets reset at the next reload. That's a SH3 bug, not GWX's fault.

And yeah, GWX is about as much realism as is possible. Boredom was the most performed past-time during the real thing aswel.

Oh yeah, in the end it ALLWAYS depends on what you did with the campaign file mods. I.E enabling the Black Sea mod or Indian Ocean mod has no point if you are only sailing around in the atlantic. If you did enable either of them (even if enabled after enabling the merged campaign mod) then the Atlantic is simply devoid of any traffic. Only enable the area where you are playing (atlantic is default ofcourse) or just enable the merged campaign if you started a patrol to transit to the other area. Not all of them at the same time.

irish1958

11-28-09, 07:30 AM

I saw those, but noticed they both only mentioned compatibility with GWX2.0, so was reluctant to use them with GWX3, despite the fact that I hold both Stiebler and Rubini in extremely high regard.

MMMMMM, I recently heard of a little program that allows one to install a mod without harm to one's setup, and to uninstall it if necessary; amazingly, it returns one's install back to pristine conditions. You can get it here: http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/software/:arrgh!:

GoldenRivet

11-28-09, 09:59 AM

Frankly, I find your post abhorrent

you're throwing dirt in the faces of those that spent hours upon hours of their free time to bring us this gem of a mod.

Couldnt agree more.

He came into this forum and made a post... not asking for help... not seeking information as to why he had this experience with a mod... not to make a helpful or thought provoking comment.

Only to bash a damn good mod for no apparent reason other than he was mad because he didnt have a 100,000 ton patrol :wah: :doh:.

The weather in SH3 has sucked since release date, its a stock issue, not an issue with any mod least of all GWX and several people have tried to fix it, some more successfully than others.

with the weather fix that (may or may not have been a part of GWX i cannot recall) i have experienced a good mix of weather during patrols.

but basically what HMCS has done has come over to the SH3 forum, stuck his head in the door, and said "you suck"

that wouldnt be polite anywhere

Venatore

11-28-09, 10:18 AM

Boring, boring dull dull dull.

Reminds me of this thread :har:

Oberon

11-28-09, 10:18 AM

Let's not feed the troll, eh? :03:

Dowly

11-28-09, 10:42 AM

That wasnt very nice YMC... sorry.. HMCS. :O:

JU_88

11-28-09, 11:05 AM

Boring, boring dull dull dull.

I just returned from a patrol in March of 41; it rained the whole time; one whole month of rain with several days of fog for a treat. Nothing to shoot at. Realism 97%. The incessant radio messages that had nothing to do with my boat or patrol only serves to exercise my right index finger which has to keep punching the + key on the number pad to keep the TC going.

I'm going back to the Pacific.

Im terribly sorry about that sir, would you like your money back?... oh, wait a minute.....
:rotfl2:
Ah well, each to his own I guess, happy hunting in the Pacific ;)

tomfon

11-28-09, 11:05 AM

Frankly, I find your post abhorrent and should be deleted because you've obviously not given the mod anywhere near a fair chance

I agree that HMCS made an unfortunate and naive comment. He exaggerates and obviously those who play GWX a long time know that he is wrong. I agree. Still, the fact that you find his post abhorrent is not and should never be a reason good enough for his post to be deleted.
People are free to express their opinion ; this should be the general case and not the 'openness' of a community to opinions which are unfortunate/wrong as you have described. If an opinion is wrong for a reason, we state that indeed it is wrong for this reason and thats enough. No need to grab the guy from the face.
Also, look at his post. Can't you see that its quite a careless remark?
Thanks.:DL

SeaWolf U-57

11-28-09, 11:26 AM

Its a fair comment he finds it boring where as I like sneaking up to unsuspecting ships and convoys struggling along in bad weather its a little more difficult to get a hit but its more fun.
There are plenty more Mods to try that handle the weather differently so what have you got to lose try them all.
And then go back to SH4 and listen to the radio for days and days and days. :salute:

JU_88

11-28-09, 11:26 AM

I agree that HMCS made an unfotunate and naive comment. He exaggerates and obviously those who play GWX a long time know that he is wrong. I agree. Still, the fact that you find his post abhorrent is not and should never be a reason good enough for his post to be deleted.
People are free to express their opinion ; this should be the general case and not the 'openness' of a community to opinions which are unfortunate/wrong as you have described. If an opinion is wrong for a reason, we state that indeed it is wrong for this reason and thats enough. No need to grab the guy from the face.
Also, look at his post. Can't you see that its quite a careless remark?
Thanks.:DL

Agreed, :up:
The guy is just just saying his peice, its nothing offensive
Everything in this life get critisized and you (we) just have to deal with it.
If it was his intention to 'hurt our feelings' (which I dont think it was) then he didnt do a very good job of it :D

tomfon

11-28-09, 11:39 AM

The guy is just just saying his peice, its nothing offensive
Everything in this life get critisized and you (we) just have to deal with it.

I found none of the replies being offensive. Its the part of ''having the post deleted'' that makes me worry. Maybe Damo exaggerated in return? Hmm, i think so and in a way i hope so.

JU_88

11-28-09, 11:41 AM

I found none of the replies being offensive. Its the part of ''having the post deleted'' that makes me worry. Maybe Damo exaggerated in return? Hmm, i think so and in a way i hope so.

Sure, but but I meant a post must be 'offensive' in order to justify deletion - no?
Anyways....

tomfon

11-28-09, 11:47 AM

Ah! I'm sorry i didn't understand your reply in the first place. Well... yeah, i agree. His reply isn't sthg that will make you hit the roof. We have a deal.:up: :cool:

Rothwell white

11-28-09, 11:48 AM

Each to his\her own i suppose. Would'nt do all of us like the same things

But i am loving GWX 3

Philipp_Thomsen

11-28-09, 11:50 AM

This forums cant go a day without someone flaming someone or something.

You cant judge the book by the cover. Either you have the patience to read from cover to cover, or you just shut up about it.

I did play Dead Space for 5 minutes, and I uninstalled cos it wasnt my taste. But I didnt went to any forum to say the game was sh!t, cos obviously I didnt give the game enough time to prove me otherwise. And I didnt tell anyone "Dead Space is a dull game" cos I dont have enough knowledge about it just to go out spreading the news.

Either you like GWX 3.0 + SH3, or you dont. 99% of people like it, and I believe the other 1% didnt give it enough time, didnt have enough patience to go thru. And if you dont like simulations at all, you shouldnt be playing any of the Silent Hunter franchise, cos its not your beach. Guy like you only serve to influenciate UBI to turn the Silent Hunter franchise more and more a game, and less a simulation, like we have seen the last few years. SH3 was great, SH4 was a joke. And we say this, cos we care about the simulation aspect of the game more then anything, and we will use our teeth and claws to protect it. If SH5 turns out to be more arcade then SH4, the franchise will be dead for me, cos lets face it, we cant be playing SH3 for ever, we need something new.

Just keep your opinions to yourself.

karamazovnew

11-28-09, 12:03 PM

:hmmm: I don't get it... I found the Pacific to be dull. First you have to travel a billion miles to get to the goods and then you get sent from one patrol zone to another, burning fuel and having nothing to shoot at. I don't complain about dullness because it's usually smashed away when you encounter your first 30+ convoy with no <8k ton ships. The same goes for GWX. In one patrol I barely make 30k tons with all my torpedoes and gun shells spent. In the next I down 100k tons in a single huge convoy. And the weather sure it's annoying, but each spring we get here 2-3 weeks with no sun whatsoever. In GWX storms pass fast if you leave the area or just stand your ground until they pass. I think having calm water in the middle of the ocean to be more annoying than zero visibility. I can shadow a slow ship while keeping it at my 270 or 90. When it stops moving I know I'm right in front of it and just wait for it to byte the fog. Plus, those stern magnetic shots never fail to amuse me :shucks:.

SeaWolf U-57

11-28-09, 12:15 PM

Again it is down to taste some like this others like that
Surely the opinions expressed in these forums are what Mods are born from
someone makes a comment about something and a new idea to fix it comes along
its true that this thread seems to be just an open attack on GWX as seen so many times before. but to say that if you don't like something just keep quiet about it wont go anywhere.
There are other version Mods out there to try on the sites. also plenty of other comments about them also.
But to say that a thread should be closed due to some people not liking the content sometimes is justified but not in this case. :hmmm:

tomfon

11-28-09, 12:24 PM

Surely the opinions expressed in these forums are what Mods are born from...
There are other version Mods out there to try on the sites. also plenty of other comments about them also.
But to say that a thread should be close due to some people not liking the content sometimes is justified but not in this case. :hmmm:

True.

Platapus

11-28-09, 12:29 PM

Let's face it. GWX does suck!

I have been playing mission after mission after mission and not once did the cook ask me about the soup. Not once!!!

Bah and they call GWX a realism mod. :nope:

:D

JU_88

11-28-09, 12:33 PM

Let's face it. GWX does suck!

I have been playing mission after mission after mission and not once did the cook ask me about the soup. Not once!!!

Bah and they call GWX a realism mod. :nope:

:D

LOL :haha::haha::haha:

----

Now that I think about it,
Out of courtesy and respect we do all try avoid openly slagging off any ANY modders work where possible (on Subsim)
Since gratitude is the only reward that a modder gets in return for sharing their work.

Basically if you dont like a mod, you can simply unistall & not use it, its a freebie - so in that sense, there is no real justification tell the maker(s) that you think its crap or dull or whatever... is there?
That is generally frowned upon around here, which can only be a good thing :woot:

flag4

11-28-09, 01:03 PM

Boring, boring dull dull dull.

I just returned from a patrol in March of 41; it rained the whole time; one whole month of rain with several days of fog for a treat. Nothing to shoot at. Realism 97%. The incessant radio messages that had nothing to do with my boat or patrol only serves to exercise my right index finger which has to keep punching the + key on the number pad to keep the TC going.

I'm going back to the Pacific.

it's interesting HMCS, you have been around since 2005. a simple querry as to your problem and what you need/like would have sufficed. there are many mods that change things you dont like or improve things you do: dont need a brick to open the window.

SeaWolf U-57

11-28-09, 01:06 PM

LOL :haha::haha::haha:

----

Now that I think about it,
Out of courtesy and respect we do all try avoid openly slagging off any ANY modders work where possible (on Subsim)
Since gratitude is the only reward that a modder gets in return for sharing their work.

Basically if you dont like a mod, you can simply unistall & not use it, its a freebie - so in that sense, there is no real justification tell the maker(s) that you think its crap or dull or whatever... is there?
That is generally frowned upon around here, which can only be a good thing :woot:

We all acknowledge that the statement "GWX is Boring" is a very stupid thing to say.
after all no mod can be classed as Crap as they offer you a choice of how you want to play the game its down to the individual to mix and match as they please.
I say hats off to all the Supermods and to the people involved in producing them and releasing them for us to enjoy. :up:

tomfon

11-28-09, 01:32 PM

We all acknowledge that the statement "GWX is Boring" is a very stupid thing to say.
after all no mod can be classed as Crap as they offer you a choice of how you want to play the game its down to the individual to mix and match as they please.
I say hats off to all the Supermods and to the people involved in producing them and releasing them for us to enjoy. :up:

I second that.

LukeFF

11-28-09, 02:01 PM

Thats the primary difference between SH3 and SH4

Sh3 is a simulation of real life gains, losses and frustrations

SH4... well... its a game.

Oh, so exactly what, then, have people like me, Ducimus, Lurker, et al, been doing for the past year and more?

SeaWolf U-57

11-28-09, 02:18 PM

Oh, so exactly what, then, have people like me, Ducimus, Lurker, et al, been doing for the past year and more?

I wonder what you think is the point of posting here just to throw wood on the fire.
has this discussion yet again got to turn into a Us verses Them thread, I.E. GWX verses SH4.
I am quite sure that most of the members here are tired of reading the squabbles about this surely the matter had come to a nice end cant it just be left like that.

:up:

Sailor Steve

11-28-09, 02:21 PM

It seems that most replies (my own included) are to the "Boring, boring dull dull dull" comment, as well as the "Yawner" in the title. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and we've actually argued about which is better (or more real, or prettier) since SH4 was released.

I'm playing RFB in SH4- so I'm with the realism angle. I'm also familiar with being at sea. It NEVER rains for a month, solid. If that's SH3's issue, then so be it.
It is indeed a problem with SH3 itself. Folks have been complaining about it since day one, and so far none of the attempted fixes have truly solved the problem. It's something we live with because we like the other aspects so much.

SH4 with RFB isn't exactly arcade shoot-em-up, and it has it's fair share of frustrations. I just happen to think that it's a better crafted sim.
And overall again I agree. I keep defending SH4 to those who crticize it, and I play both SH3 with GWX and SH4 UBM with OpsMonsun. I love both, and I complain about both, and in both cases my complaints are toward the basic game, not the mod. I love the continuing radio messages in GWX, but then I never go above 256x time compression, so they still seem few and far between to me; and I wish SH4 had them. I love that the weather works better in SH4, but when a storm comes it never feels quite as real to me. I don't know why that is, but it's my perception.

LukeFF's comment is more than valid. To some of us SH4 does seem more 'gamey', but the mods so far have gone a long way toward fixing that. But that was said about SH3 when compared to SH2, and I'm guessing that it's less what the game is but how it changes what we're used to.

Bottom line - SH2 didn't have a dynamic campaign, SH3 is boring, and SH4 is just plain crap.

I guess I'll go back to playing...wait a minute, there isn't anything else I want to play.:sunny:

Damo

11-28-09, 02:27 PM

I'd just like to say that my comment about the thread being deleted was wrong. Of course everybody should be allowed to express their opinion.

What I should have said was that the thread should be 'disregarded' as it was made by somebody who doesn't see beyond the surface and seems unwilling to try. Instant gratification is NOT what GWX is about but patience is a virtue and that patience will and is rewarded in so many different ways. The experience is never the same for individual people, how many people have never seen a Battleship, let alone sink one? It's that uncertainty that makes the experience unique for all of us and I'm sorry that HMCS has had a bad first outing, but he's looking for the quick fix which won't happen.

I worried that newcomers to the game and GWX would see his post and be turned off of GWX, hence my deletion comment. I will happily retract that statement but the remainder of my post will stand.

Besides, if those new guys read the whole thread they'll learn what HMCS hasn't so maybe he inadvertantly did GWX a great service.......

:88)

JU_88

11-28-09, 02:29 PM

Oh, so exactly what, then, have people like me, Ducimus, Lurker, et al, been doing for the past year and more?

@ LukeFF, Id imagine that GR was refering to Stock SH4, I doubt he intended to discredit the immense amount of work you guys have done for the sim. ;)

Wreford-Brown

11-28-09, 03:05 PM

A thread with a title like this is always bound to inflame some people - it's just really encouraging to see that people have explained why they like GWX rather than slagging people down, which happens all too often on SS.

Bravo to everyone who has posted. Loads of informative comments and the thread was kept as a debate on opposing views rather than an excuse to throw mud. :yeah:

Jimbuna

11-28-09, 03:25 PM

I must be getting bored in my old age.....I actually read all the posts :hmmm:

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Philipp_Thomsen

11-28-09, 03:35 PM

I must be getting bored in my old age.....I actually read all the posts :hmmm:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6942/popcorncowtx0.gif

And who doesnt?

this forum is so addicting.

comet61

11-28-09, 03:48 PM

I usually give everyone and everything the benefit of the doubt at first. GWX was no exception. Granted, the weather situation in SHIII is a pain as is the radio messages, but I adapted. Before I loaded GWX and researched all the posts here as much as I could, I read all the quirks and perks of stock SHIII. I came to realize that the stock aspect of the game did well enough, but there was a great deal of room for improvement. And improvements there came to be...

GWX impressed me. It basically redefined "realism" as best it could. Is it boring? No. Are there boring moments within a patrol? Yup....just like in real U-Boat life. If you've seen Das Boot, they had several weeks of "nothing" and their frustration was evident...in the film....they were on 1x TC 24/7....so that can be boring. The GWX aspect pretty much "mirrored" those situations.

So, after I loaded GWX (and Rafael's DSK GUI) and read the manual at least 4 times and perused all the posts I could pertaining GWX problems, conflicts and tips and tricks...I think I "got it". I do not go "overboard" with the TC, my weather changes accordingly. I haven't had 3 weeks of 15kmps winds and rain with 30 foot swells; I periodically do sound checks with the hydrophones. That alone can be useful in a few kills. I no longer expect a merchant or convoy to come to me....you have to hunt for them...just like they did back in the day. So, yes..I can get bored and yes, it gets frustrating, but there is a good payoff in the end if you come back from a patrol with a measly 2100 tons.

Of my personal opinion, sometimes people want "it" and want "it" now and that perhaps realism gets in their way I guess. I am not for the arcade type simulations...if so, I'd be on my DS playing Mario Brothers....:down:

I am learning everyday. Follow most of the rules I can and read the posts here because the info is "priceless".

Hitman

11-28-09, 04:07 PM

*sigh*

Where to begin? (As moderator)

I guess, I'll keep it simple to prevent misunderstandings....

People usually tend to forget the essential benefit of living in a democracy, and it is sad :nope: so I must remind it:

DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PLAY IT.

PERIOD. THAT'S SPELLED P-E-R-I-O-D

Now please let us go back to other, more important things. Like a patrol in that friggin' cold and stormy northa atlantic :DL

Jimbuna

11-28-09, 04:20 PM

Now please let us go back to other, more important things. Like a patrol in that friggin' cold and stormy northa atlantic :DL

Best not forget your grub and suitable clothing :DL

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Laufen zum Ziel

11-28-09, 04:21 PM

Couldnt agree more.

He came into this forum and made a post... not asking for help... not seeking information as to why he had this experience with a mod... not to make a helpful or thought provoking comment.

Only to bash a damn good mod for no apparent reason other than he was mad because he didnt have a 100,000 ton patrol :wah: :doh:.

The weather in SH3 has sucked since release date, its a stock issue, not an issue with any mod least of all GWX and several people have tried to fix it, some more successfully than others.

with the weather fix that (may or may not have been a part of GWX i cannot recall) i have experienced a good mix of weather during patrols.

but basically what HMCS has done has come over to the SH3 forum, stuck his head in the door, and said "you suck"

that wouldnt be polite anywhere

:up::yeah:

SeaWolf U-57

11-28-09, 04:30 PM

This is what I was just about to post until the above post was made looks like Hitman knew what was coming. :hmmm:

I find this the most puzzling post in the whole thread. had the thread degraded in to a bad enough situation for a moderator to post this.
I'm not saying that it probably wont but at this time some good light-hearted and informative post are still being entered.
please let it run until the bad stuff starts.:nope:

jakethescot

11-28-09, 04:38 PM

Some people aren't cut out for boring things. Several years ago, I flew Red Baron 3D on-line in a WW1 arena. We flew three nights a week, and I always volunteered for CAP missions. CAP stands for Combat Air Patrol. I would patrol a bridge, or supply depot, or some such, for hours at a time with nothing but my joystick and rudder pedals to keep me company. Sometimes you would see an enemy bomber or recon coming in and would get some action, but for the most part you just flew in a circle for a while, reversed course and flew the other way for a while. And I didn't mind at all.

Coming in to SH3, I figured if it was anything like looking for planes in the air, only with ships in the water, it would be boring more often than not, but that's OK with me. I love this game.

GREY WOLF 3

11-28-09, 04:39 PM

GlobalExplorer

11-28-09, 04:44 PM

Is this forum still full of discussion about who likes who or wants what? No wonder so many have headed off :nope:

And I don't mean the pointless OP, but that it entails two pages of discussion about nothing. And I am even posting in it.

tomfon

11-28-09, 05:14 PM

I'd just like to say that my comment about the thread being deleted was wrong. Of course everybody should be allowed to express their opinion.

What I should have said was that the thread should be 'disregarded' as it was made by somebody who doesn't see beyond the surface and seems unwilling to try.

Thats a nice one.:03:

P.S. Debates like this one usually involve the GWX supermod ; thats the basis of the dispute. I maybe mistaken (hope so) but i've never seen a similar discussion by those who play basically the NYGM or WAC supermod (though i've seen ''WAC supporters'' and ''GWX supporters'' fighting - thats an another case). I'm trying to understand why but i can't. Surely, i don't believe that GWX has ''sworn enemies'' or/and ''fanatic enthusiasts'' or sthg. This would mean that GWX has become a psychosis. If this was true then the phrase ''SH3, a very addictive game'' should make us worry. Since i don't like psychology i'll leave it for the end. Till then i'll keep wondering whats going on (?).:hmmm:

Sailor Steve

11-28-09, 05:56 PM

P.S. Debates like this one usually involve the GWX supermod ; thats the basis of the dispute. I maybe mistaken (hope so) but i've never seen a similar discussion by those who play basically the NYGM or WAC supermod (though i've seen ''WAC supporters'' and ''GWX supporters'' fighting - thats an another case).
That's because you haven't been around long enough. Back in 2005 Beery put out the first supermod - Real U-Boat. People complained about the changes he'd made, sure, but they also complained about things he hadn't changed. Trust me, NYGM and WAC and even SH3 Commander have had their fair share of "**** ate my cat and ruined gaming for me!" GWX has just been the most used mod, so it's the one that garnered the most attention of late.

SeaWolf U-57

11-28-09, 06:16 PM

Thats a nice one.:03:

P.S. Debates like this one usually involve the GWX supermod ; thats the basis of the dispute. I maybe mistaken (hope so) but i've never seen a similar discussion by those who play basically the NYGM or WAC supermod (though i've seen ''WAC supporters'' and ''GWX supporters'' fighting - thats an another case). I'm trying to understand why but i can't. Surely, i don't believe that GWX has ''sworn enemies'' or/and ''fanatic enthusiasts'' or sthg. This would mean that GWX has become a psychosis. If this was true then the phrase ''SH3, a very addictive game'' should make us worry. Since i don't like psychology i'll leave it for the end. Till then i'll keep wondering whats going on (?).:hmmm:

It seems that the phenomenon that is the silent hunter series evokes strong feelings about the method of game play used.
For what it is worth I think GWX is the most widely used mod and in being so has made it the most easily targeted Supermod.
Most who play SH3 love it to death and the makers of it defend it to the last against any criticism. and because of it there was not the great rush to change over from SH3 to SH4 as expected. I think this is what started the clashes between GWX and SH4 users.
There is no getting away from the fact there is a great divide between the users of the two Games and this will continue on even with the release of SH5 coming soon.
I guess it will then be SH4 against SH5 or if SH5 turns out to be a flop back to SH3 verses the rest. :03:

JScones

11-28-09, 07:53 PM

MMMMMM, I recently heard of a little program that allows one to install a mod without harm to one's setup, and to uninstall it if necessary; amazingly, it returns one's install back to pristine conditions. You can get it here: http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/software/:arrgh!: (http://www.users.on.net/%7Ejscones/software/:arrgh%21:)
Wow. Looks awesome. Perhaps the best application I've ever seen! And I hear the developer is quite a wonderful guy. Very handsome as well. :up:

Oneshot/Onekill

11-28-09, 08:34 PM

tomfon

11-28-09, 08:38 PM

That's because you haven't been around long enough. Back in 2005 Beery put out the first supermod - Real U-Boat. People complained about the changes he'd made, sure, but they also complained about things he hadn't changed. Trust me, NYGM and WAC and even SH3 Commander have had their fair share of "**** ate my cat and ruined gaming for me!" GWX has just been the most used mod, so it's the one that garnered the most attention of late.

It seems that the phenomenon that is the silent hunter series evokes strong feelings about the method of game play used.
For what it is worth I think GWX is the most widely used mod and in being so has made it the most easily targeted Supermod.
Most who play SH3 love it to death and the makers of it defend it to the last against any criticism. and because of it there was not the great rush to change over from SH3 to SH4 as expected. I think this is what started the clashes between GWX and SH4 users.
There is no getting away from the fact there is a great divide between the users of the two Games and this will continue on even with the release of SH5 coming soon.
I guess it will then be SH4 against SH5 or if SH5 turns out to be a flop back to SH3 verses the rest. :03:

Hmm. So GWX is the supermod used by the majority. Cool. If so (and i don't doubt that) it should take the least of all negative criticism (since almost everyone is happy with it) but its the opposite that happens.

Most who play SH3 love it to death and the makers of it defend it to the last against any criticism.
If this is true the psychosis scenario seems a little bit closer to me now.
Anyway.

Sailor Steve

11-29-09, 02:11 AM

Hmm. So GWX is the supermod used by the majority. Cool. If so (and i don't doubt that) it should take the least of all negative criticism (since almost everyone is happy with it) but its the opposite that happens.
The point I was trying to make is that newer users never try the stock game, so any problem that arises is blamed on the mod. The more the users, the more the complaints.

If this is true the psychosis scenario seems a little bit closer to me now.
Anyway.
I'm NOT crazy! I'm NOT! And if you say I am again, I'll hunt you down and...waitaminute...:shifty:

Gunnar

11-29-09, 03:45 AM

Boring, boring dull dull dull.
I'm going back to the Pacific.

I have to say that the very fact that nothing might happen during a patrol keeps GWX very interesting.

It happened like that frequently in real life. A great example of this is given by Heinz Schaffer in his book "U-Boat 977" where he recounts the fact that a storm lasted for weeks and the terrible discomfort and tedium that such weather brings!

msalama

11-29-09, 05:35 AM

SH4... well... its a game.

SH4 with RFB & RSRDC is as much a sim as is GWX, i.e. they're both incredible. SH3 and SH4 in stock config are, OTOH, both just games.

Me? Playing SH4 & OM at the moment, which _again_ is an incredible subsim :ping: So the moral of the story, I guess, is that once you install a realism-oriented supermod you'll never go stock again...

SeaWolf U-57

11-29-09, 05:49 AM

Wow. Looks awesome. Perhaps the best application I've ever seen! And I hear the developer is quite a wonderful guy. Very handsome as well. :up:

Yes it is a good addition for sure definitely a must have. :up:

tomfon

11-29-09, 06:52 AM

I'm NOT crazy! I'm NOT! And if you say I am again, I'll hunt you down and...waitaminute...:shifty:

I did not imply such a thing.

JU_88

11-29-09, 07:52 AM

Wow. Looks awesome. Perhaps the best application I've ever seen! And I hear the developer is quite a wonderful guy. Very handsome as well. :up:

:haha::haha: :up:

HundertzehnGustav

11-29-09, 08:18 AM

have
red
all
the
posts
*argh*

dull dull
boring boring
:rotfl2::rock:

HundertzehnGustav

11-29-09, 08:21 AM

have
red
all
the
posts
*argh*

dull dull
boring boring
:rotfl2::rock:

HundertzehnGustav

11-29-09, 08:23 AM

have
red
all
the
posts
*argh*

dull dull
boring boring
:rotfl2::rock:

Jimbuna

11-29-09, 10:56 AM

Wow. Looks awesome. Perhaps the best application I've ever seen! And I hear the developer is quite a wonderful guy. Very handsome as well. :up:

Let me categorically state I was IN NO WAY involved or associated with the aforementioned application.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/300/uglyoldman.gif (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/uglyoldman.gif/)

Jimbuna

11-29-09, 10:58 AM

My goodness, aren't we a busy bunch on this thread.:haha:

I did the same thing you did Jim. I read all the posts.:up:

I don't have much to add here. I think you all have kicked this donkey to death enough for me. Keep up the fantastic work!:yeah:

Rgr that http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img105/4302/snoregb2.gif

Torplexed

11-29-09, 11:36 AM

I don't have much to add here. I think you all have kicked this donkey to death enough for me. Keep up the fantastic work!:yeah:

'E's not dead!....'e's just restin'!

http://animalmakers.com/News/2007_0222/images/military1.jpg

Sailor Steve

11-29-09, 02:00 PM

have
red
all
the
posts
*argh*

dull dull
boring boring
:rotfl2::rock:
Wow! It's three times as boring as I thought it was!:dead:

Sea Sap

11-29-09, 02:06 PM

All the work done by moders on this game and others is to be applauded. These people are true enthusiasts and they attempt to give us for free that which the developers fail to give us for a fee.

keep up the great work chaps, it's greatly appreciated by all but a few ungrateful wretches.

Draka

11-29-09, 02:19 PM

Case in point - look at most of our Forum Data to my/your left - and the usual ratio between posts and downloads ....

One VERY satisfied customer here ..........

Sailor Steve

11-29-09, 06:19 PM

I did not imply such a thing.
Wasn't trying to imply that you did. I've heard it said that one of the signs that we're sane is the acceptance that we may not be. I knew that you weren't talking about me specifically, and I responded with a mock rant indicating that I was indeed crazy as a loon.

Just wanted to make sure you knew that I knew that you knew that I knew that.

TarJak

11-29-09, 08:44 PM

Who knew? What?:D

Philipp_Thomsen

11-29-09, 10:36 PM

Chill, Steve was kidding.

He's one of the few still good humored sailors in here.

:up:

Sailor Steve

11-30-09, 12:34 AM

Who knew? What?:D
Nothing. Go back to sleep.:D

JScones

11-30-09, 01:22 AM

@HundertzehnGustav: Not sure I understand what you are trying to say. Can you post it again pls?

Let me categorically state I was IN NO WAY involved or associated with the aforementioned application.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/300/uglyoldman.gif (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/uglyoldman.gif/):rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

Kpt. Lehmann

11-30-09, 01:53 AM

:har::har::har:

Now THIS is a frakkin' hilarious thread. FOUR PAGES... in three days at that.

I for one, am QUITE happy that useage of GWX appears to have garnered a new label of potentially being a "psychosis." NOW we are COOKIN' WITH GASOLINE! :D

<I'm thinkin' it will take all of five minutes for our favorite GWX-bashers to adopt the term.> :haha:

Now for something different...

For those that are reading all of these posts LOL...

GWX 3.0 does indeed include the weather fix by Stiebler and company. HOWEVER, as Stiebler wrote in days past... it is NOT A CURE-ALL! It reduces the chances of the weather in SH3 becoming 'semi-stuck in a loop' as you play. It greatly helps with the stock issue, but does not completely fix it. (NOTE: Weather "looping" in SH3 may be persistent, but it is not a permanent loop. Every time you save the game, the weather process starts over from its last known point... so in effect players can inadvertantly contribute to the 'stuck' weather patterns by repeatedly saving the game.)

Regarding the frustration of boredom... GOOD! Mission accomplished! You have to be diligent to find your prey!

I am currently running a patrol in what little spare time I have these days... and have been at sea for 16 days in a HIGH TRAFFIC AREA around Rockall Banks... without seeing OR HEARING via the hydros... a single bleeding ship. (Nor have I seen any otherwise intact non-bleeding ships.... or even a rowboat for that matter.)

:timeout:

That's just how it goes sometimes! Heck, after one session during this patrol... I even re-checked the files to make sure that I hadn't accidentally enabled an old empty campaign fileset I keep for rapid testing of various mods.

So you see, even the flippin' GWX project manager gets tired of seeing water-water-everywhere.

LOL, boredom should be part of a good U-boat sim IMHO.

I tell you though, that the concept that bores me most... is the idea of not having to HUNT... not having to do a little WORK to find and sink my targets.

Just speaking for myself (but thinking that many may agree with me) Gratuitious and copious target encounters/tonnage would cause me to look elsewhere, to other games or mods that aren't dependant on massive special effects and pretty explosions... due to "Lack of intellectual stimulation." :cool:

Maybe the OP just needs a big group-hug and some sloppy wet kisses.:haha:

EDIT: Heheheh, I'll bet you moderator types thought I was gonna rip the OP's face off... DIDN'TCHA???:arrgh!:

SeaWolf U-57

11-30-09, 06:32 AM

@HundertzehnGustav: Not sure I understand what you are trying to say. Can you post it again pls?

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

Don't you just hate it when people cant come right out and post what the mean. :haha:

@ Kpt, Lehmann As did we all I wonder if you have been Visited by some ghosts this Christmas :hmmm:

Oneshot/Onekill

11-30-09, 06:39 AM

'E's not dead!....'e's just restin'!

http://animalmakers.com/News/2007_0222/images/military1.jpgLOL!
Walk up and nudge him just to make sure will ya.:haha:

SeaWolf U-57

11-30-09, 06:47 AM

LOL!
Walk up and nudge him just to make sure will ya.:haha:

Give him a chance he is still cap in hand and saying a few words for the set of legs he is stood next too. :cry:

Oneshot/Onekill

11-30-09, 06:50 AM

Give him a chance he is still cap in hand and saying a few words for the set of legs he is stood next too. :cry:LOL!

I guess i'm just being impatient.:oops:

Hitman

11-30-09, 07:59 AM

EDIT: Heheheh, I'll bet you moderator types thought I was gonna rip the OP's face off... DIDN'TCHA???:arrgh!:

I admit that my pulse raised one or two beats per minute when I saw you had replied in this thread :haha:, something I was waiting to happen anyway, sooner or later.

But I also thought there was a good chance that you would simply take it with humour. After all, it's been already many years of sweat, enjoyment, fight and dispute....and veterans know how to take everything easier.

I´ll still keep an eye on this thread anyway ;)

tomfon

11-30-09, 08:00 AM

Wasn't trying to imply that you did. I've heard it said that one of the signs that we're sane is the acceptance that we may not be.

LOL! Lost in translation....again.:rotfl2:
Thanks for clarifying things Steve and ''sorry'' for the misunderstanding.

Oneshot/Onekill

11-30-09, 08:02 AM

I admit that my pulse raised one or two beats per minute when I saw you had replied in this thread :haha:, something I was waiting to happen anyway, sooner or later.

But I also thought there was a good chance that you would simply take it with humour. After all, it's been already many years of sweat, enjoyment, fight and dispute....and veterans know how to take everything easier.

I´ll still keep an eye on this thread anyway ;)Just don't kill it too quick Hitman. Give us a little leeway on this one. Were having way too much fun.....Can't you tell?:yawn::D

AVGWarhawk

11-30-09, 09:20 AM

LOL, boredom should be part of a good U-boat sim IMHO.

I tell you though, that the concept that bores me most... is the idea of not having to HUNT... not having to do a little WORK to find and sink my targets.

Exactly! Where is the sense of perseverance? Where is the sense accomplishment if tonnage is dumped on your decks without the player having to hunt and just switch tunes on the gramaphone? Well, there is none. It will be just a shoot'em up game. In SH4 there was discussion concerning to much traffic in some mods. Now we do not have enough traffic in this mod. It is hard to find a balance to make all happy. All modders do their best to make everyone happy. I will go with the few things I have read here. 1. the OP is entitled to his opinion. 2. Some more time needs to be given to the mod. One patrol does not a career make. :03:

Then you get a thread like this:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=158631

This is the kind of thing that makes these mods special and anything but a 'yawner'. I have had plenty of experiences with GWX just as discribed in this link I posted. Countless good things in GWX that did not even include finding a vessel to sink! There are countless good things in all the mods I have used for SH3 and SH4. Mods are what keeps me coming back.