Renown? Boring! Experience points better

[Greenhornet]

I'd really like to see the renown thing changed, it isn't realistic as I think any updates in technology would be given to you anyway. Experience points for crew is a far better idea. It would really give you the feeling of getting to know your crew. In SH3 I actually changed crew on what they wore and how they looked even though the choice of characters was limited. You could start off your campaign with an inexperienced crew and add experience points based on the jobs they perform, as in making sure you got in some surface action to improve deck gun firing time and accuracy. Even your stats and exp points could make you better in different areas as Captain :yeah:. I think it would really add to the immersion and you would feel the loss of crew members or see them develop and get better at their skills.

These points could be added in port when they recieve their promotions and medals.

[Webster]

i could be wrong but i believe the devs said the system of renown was not being used in sh5 and upgrades and advancements werent "purchased" anymore and they were going to be awarded for your record of performance.

now dont go :woot: too quickly because maybe i got confused by who said it but im pretty sure a dev said something to the effect that they are doing what you are asking for

[mookiemookie]

If I see any mention of "experience points" or "unlockable achievements" then I will throw the disc out the window and write off the Silent Hunter series as a simulation forever. :nope:

[psykopatsak]

however some crew individuality would be very good, so that the crewmembers doesent become the faceless robots that they were, especially in SH4

[Greenhornet]

If I see any mention of "experience points" or "unlockable achievements" then I will throw the disc out the window and write off the Silent Hunter series as a simulation forever. :nope:

:o I thought that would be an awesome change from renown.

[Sgtmonkeynads]

What?
No +3 enchanted torpedoes with +2 brass fins of guidance?

[Ducimus]

From reading this thread, i can see it now.......

Equipment being unlocked by going up in rank, which is dependant on experience earned. Ye olde "Level" concept yielding new abilities. :O:

DING! :rotfl2:

Oh wait, they already did that with SH4: UBM. :shifty: :haha:

[ETR3(SS)]

SH5 isn't going to be called Silent Hunter 5, it will be World Of Silent Hunter. And everyone will call it WOoSH. Much to mookies dismay.:har:

[Highbury]

SH5 isn't going to be called Silent Hunter 5, it will be World Of Silent Hunter. And everyone will call it WOoSH. Much to mookies dismay.:har:

LVL 50 Type VIIc LFG :damn:

[kptn_kaiserhof]

this should be interesting

[Sailor Steve]

I don't mind the concept of the crew rising in experience, as long as it doesn't actually say "Ivor Krauss has 232 EP." Having the crew do their job better as they gain experience is only natural. On the other hand, they shouldn't be able to do the impossible. Having an engine room filled with the best technicians available still wouldn't make a Type VII uboat go 22 knots.

I'd really like to see the renown thing changed, it isn't realistic as I think any updates in technology would be given to you anyway.
Not true at all. Once new items became readily available they did indeed go to the boats that were in port, but when they were brand new and there were only one or two available, those one or two went to the captains known to perform well. That is the reason for the renown system, and the reason why it is indeed historical, at least in part.

[Kavok]

I quite like the SH3 renown system...!

[Rhodes]

I quite like the SH3 renown system...!

:o:o:o:o :huh::huh::huh::huh::stare::stare::stare::stare: Sorry, could resist!:D

[THE_MASK]

The devs seem to be silent hunter fans as well LOL . As if they would make SH5 into something like that . They would probably takesome of this thread as a personal insult .

[Platapus]

What?
No +3 enchanted torpedoes with +2 brass fins of guidance?

Wait for the first time SH5 refers to a convoy intercept as a "quest" :D

[Ducimus]

You'll pick up quests in the casino/bar/night club.

Lorient will be the trade hub for equipment.

Your new captain abilities will be displayed in a Top down tree with icons describing what they do.

They'll be a "Local defense" channel for wolfpacks.

And they'll be a 14.99 monthy subscription fee. :O:

[karamazovnew]

I agree, renown should be more "invisible".
Upgrades for Uboats should be fitted for "free" as time goes on. New equipment should be awarded on request only to successful Kaleuns and ultra important upgrades (such as the Type XXI) should be secret at first and only be given to veeeery successful ones, as special favours from Doenitz himself. It would be nice to have more upgrades, even just for the sake of customization. Better air filters, tables for the interior, better beds, bigger pots for soup, a fridge, rat-proof cabinets and so on.
Torpedo loadouts should be approved by BdU, depending on availability (not shown) and your renown (again, not shown).

The crew should normally request transfers to other uboats as they increase rank. Maybe renown should count as a "loyalty" bar, so that your favorite chef doesn't start requesting transfers. I mean, would you ask for a promotion and transfer to some new uboat with a green captain? Or stay for a few more patrols with Gunther Prien? Thought so...

[Webster]

rat-proof cabinets and so on.


rats werent a problem, they provided the meat for the soup :D

[Ducimus]

Since this game is all about Das Boot...

I can see it now, Uboat special soup:
"Hey, anything that grows on this boat we should be grateful for!"

[Greenhornet]

LOL, I don't mean a Diablo version of SHV:rotfl2: I was thinking more along the lines of crew being better at their duties with experience! As it is now, I can "buy" a guy that gives me good fuel consumption or has the spell of good hearing for 30mins, or magic torpedo shot:haha: I was thinking more along the lines of watching your crew achive skills...:yeah:

[Sgtmonkeynads]

WAIT!!!!!! I know for a fact that this WILL NOT HAPPEN.

reason = Dwarfs can't reach the periscope.

[Ilpalazzo]

Captain encounters Destroyer.
>Attack
-Dive
-Magic
-RunCaptain used Torpedo. It misses.
Destroyer used Ram. It's super effective!
-Attack
>Dive
-Magic
-RunCaptain Dives.
Destroyer used Depth Charge. It misses.
-Attack
-Dive
>Magic
-RunCaptain Raises Periscope
Destroyer is Confused.
Destroyer used Ram. But floods itself in the process.
Destoyer Killed. +1000EXP LVL UP!

/
I like to equip my watch officer with 'eye of the eagle' and my gunner with +accuracy enchants and the extra crit bonus perk. In combat he casts the giga shot spell and......:har:
lol jesus okay I'll stop, I'll stop.


Don't they already have experience though? Isn't that how some were able to be promoted and others weren't? I thought the promotion was already like a 'level up' that made them effective longer before needing rest. I could swear I saw that bar along with health and morale.

If they were to make the officers actually do their jobs and not have gps, then I can see more experienced crew being a more involved part of the game without breaking the experience. A good navigator can give you a better idea of where you are, have been, and are going. A good weapon officer could identify ships better from a distance and provide more accurate firing solutions? A better watch officer can spot further and I dunno predict the weather better?

Sailor Steve is right. The renown system is good and makes sense. And though more effective crew is cool, there should definitely not be something really screwy like the uber faster boat example he used.

GreenHornet, might you go into more detail as to what you're thinking because it sounds like what you want has kinda already been in the games. Hell, I believe SH4 with uboat addon added what one might consider perks or skills like that recon plane and whatever else (never really played it much).

Anyway people should keep an open mind. Gameplay>Realism , That's what they keep telling me when I want Oblivion or Fallout 3 to be more realistic:-?

ps. btw, Oblivion with mods off of Delte's List is like a whole new, challenging, mad fun game.

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Its not a game unless it comes with one of these!

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=128&pictureid=844

[Zonke]

I kinda like the renown system, as someone said it's realistic in that it provides more new stuff to a well performing captain. It also brings some resource management into the game which I thinks is a well proven gameplay mechanic..
It would be nice if the crew earned experience I thinks, in such a way that they get better at the things they do (not like character design in rpg's).

All these things should be optional if any of it interferes with someones experience..

hehe.. Seams alot of people here has been traumatised by a very annoying little brother/syster/child playing too much world of warcraft :P

[mookiemookie]

Anyway people should keep an open mind. Gameplay>Realism , That's what they keep telling me when I want Oblivion or Fallout 3 to be more realistic:-?

Foresaking realism for gameplay means that it's not a sim. Maybe that's what Ubi wants. Sure seems that way.

[ETR3(SS)]

hehe.. Seams alot of people here has been traumatised by a very annoying little brother/syster/child playing too much world of warcraft :P Recovering WoW addict here. I watched the game turn into a giant cry fest because they got beat by X so blizz should buff their class. Few people learned how to play the game and just cried about it instead. I do NOT want the same thing happening to the SH series.:nope:

[Webster]

I don't mind the concept of the crew rising in experience, as long as it doesn't actually say "Ivor Krauss has 232 EP." Having the crew do their job better as they gain experience is only natural. On the other hand, they shouldn't be able to do the impossible. Having an engine room filled with the best technicians available still wouldn't make a Type VII uboat go 22 knots.
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ya i hope "special abilities" is gone forever but i dont want to see the renown anymore so do away with just the renown itself.

get rid of the system where ship x = this much renown and go with a formula system based on completed missions + time it took you to complete missions (maybe) + and your officer performance/proficiency reviews

isnt this how you advance and get promoted (or not) and determines if you are offered any upgrades for your sub in real life?

i just want to see other things taken into account other than sink ship x and get renown now go buy a better gun

[ETR3(SS)]

ya i hope "special abilities" is gone forever but i dont want to see the renown anymore so do away with just the renown itself.

get rid of the system where ship x = this much renown and go with a formula system based on completed missions + time it took you to complete missions (maybe) + and your officer performance/proficiency reviews

isnt this how you advance and get promoted (or not) and determines if you are offered any upgrades for your sub in real life?

i just want to see other things taken into account other than sink ship x and get renown now go buy a better gunIn a nut shell, basically that's it.

[Sevrin]

The idea of 'special abilities' always bothered me and seemed to be paving the way for Silent Hunter to attract a wider audience. Things like that are way too 'rpg-ish' for me. Yes, they need to make money in order to continue the series, but if it has to be at the expense of the sim's quality (in relation to technical specifications), then that flat-out sux for us who care about such things. [Obviously the folks who want to stand on the bridge and shoot at low flying aircraft with a pistol could care less...:woot:]

http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx43/sevrin2009/lrg.jpg?t=1257875354

The idea of the crew qualifying for a certain job, and getting new boats / gear / promotions based on performance is normal, rather than just randomly assigning some 'super ability' based on sinking X amounts of tons.

Same with decorations, they need to scale with the performance of the patrols.

[Greenhornet]

Yea, maybe I should have clarified. I didn't mean special abilities at all, I just wanted my crew skills to be within normal human parameters, but to increase a skill at say, the speed of loading or accuracy of deck gun, shouldn't your crew have to use it, or practice with it? Even the crews ability to crash dive at a proficient level would be through practice. Remember that your crew would be green at the beginning of the campaign and hopefully be veteran by the end. I though it might be interesting to develop your crew for various stations such as emergency repair or engine room maintenance to lessen the possibility of break down, not to give them "wrench of the stars" with +120 to jump and kill DD captain:rotfl2:. Anyhow, I see that it went over like a lead balloon and not all are interested, each to there own I guess.

[Sailor Steve]

Well, not everybody is going to interested in every idea, and not all are going to agree on how it should be done. Of course real people gain experience, but not as points, and all of us gain renown, which affects our credibility. The problem is that any game has to do things mechanically and by a set of rules that real life doesn't ever follow.

And part of it is in the way it's presented, or at least in the way the readers see it. Your idea of experience is a good one, but the minute you say "experience points" everyone immediately things of RPGs and dice-rolling, and stat sheets.

I thing both experience and renown are great to have in a game like this, but they should mainly be behind the scenes. Your crew's experience of course has to be quantified somehow, simply so you can judge who's the best and see who needs more work. Your personal renown does indeed affect how your superiors see you, and should control whether or not your request for the "newest and best" is granted.

It's a tough call to make, and though it's fun to discuss I'm sure the actual call was made by the devs some time ago, so all we can do is wait and see what we get this time around.

[JScones]

@mookiemookie, I found a preview of the SH5 box artwork, just for you...

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6694/sh5.png

:D

[Venatore]

Good one JScones :har:

[TwistedFemur]

however some crew individuality would be very good, so that the crewmembers doesent become the faceless robots that they were, especially in sh4



no soup for you! :D

[ETR3(SS)]

@mookiemookie, I found a preview of the SH5 box artwork, just for you...

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6694/sh5.png

:D Torpedoes and crew sold in a separate Downloadable Content to be released 3 weeks later, for the price of the original game.

[mookiemookie]

@mookiemookie, I found a preview of the SH5 box artwork, just for you...



:D

I can see it now:

http://imgur.com/MUK1z.png

http://imgur.com/KZuo7.png

http://imgur.com/CmLt0.png

http://imgur.com/UJrMq.png

http://imgur.com/vtjhL.png

[Sevrin]

I can see it now:

http://imgur.com/MUK1z.png

http://imgur.com/KZuo7.png

http://imgur.com/CmLt0.png

http://imgur.com/UJrMq.png

http://imgur.com/vtjhL.png


Lol, don't give them any ideas! :O:

[ETR3(SS)]

Rofl! Maybe they should come out with two versions, one for the kiddies and one for the grown ups.:rotfl2:

[karamazovnew]

They've already confirmed these:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/206/80956092.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/80956092.jpg/)

[Freiwillige]

I think what people fail to understand is that by the time A U-boat puts to sea for a patrol the crew has had a minimum of six months of training at sea in the Baltic during sea trials, becoming proficient in every mundane task.

Sure there is room for improvement but probably not much as these guys could crash dive a sub in their sleep by the time they were sent out on a war patrol.

The Captain and his choices probably had more to do with the outcome of any situation than crew ability.

But what would be interesting is having crew get injured or sick as U-boats had no doctor aboard it could effect the efficiency of tasks.

Say you have the deck gun manned in heavier than norm sea's, what would be the risk of crew being swept overboard or slammed against the gun or tower by a wave?

Or riding the surface and its a huge storm, guys inside the boat would be thrown around risking injury.

[ETR3(SS)]

Or riding the surface and its a huge storm, guys inside the boat would be thrown around risking injury. It's called sea legs.:D But bumps and bruises can still happen in rough seas even with your sea legs on. I've got a couple of scars on me from a missile tube jumping out to bite me.:arrgh!:

[Ducimus]

They've already confirmed these:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/206/80956092.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/80956092.jpg/)

:haha:

[JScones]

http://stevivor.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/1billion_achievements.jpg

Awesomeness!!! I unlocked a super sub!!!! :yeah:

http://www.thetechaddicts.com/images/xbox_360_rrod.jpg
:damn::damn::damn::damn::damn:

[Weiss Pinguin]

http://www.thetechaddicts.com/images/xbox_360_rrod.jpg
:damn::damn::damn::damn::damn:
Didn't you hear? That's the button you push for Crash Dive [to desktop]! :rotfl2: You need to wait for those 3 exact lights to be lit in order to dive at your best speed - If you mistime your press you may accidentally shoot into the air!