A lesson on pressing buttons...

[Oberon]

(Or pulling levers)

Not always a good idea...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/02/south-africa-passenger-ejector-seat

[SteamWake]

That guy got one hellua ride.

Wonder if their goverment will make him pay to 'fix' the aircraft. :03:

[Platapus]

Ejection seat functioned as designed. :yep:

[NeonSamurai]

Maybe that will learn em not to take civilians on military planes.

[Jimbuna]

Lesson....next time you put your hands beween your legs, make sure you know what you are pulling :O:

[Platapus]

Reminds me of when we lost an ROTC cadet at Hill AFB in 81/82.

She was on an incentive ride on a T-38. As part of the orientation she was told not to leave the aircraft until the pilot-in-command tells her to.

After the successful incentive ride, the Talon was on the flight line, chocked, engines off and canopies raised. The PIC told the cadet "ok, egress the aircraft"

She reached to the calf protectors and initiated the ejection seat. Fortunately, the ground crew only suffered minor burns but probably had to change his fatigues!

The original ejection seat on the T-38 did not have a zero/zero capability.

There was now a vacancy in her ROTC class. :nope:

Unlike the guy in the referenced article, this T-38 was not flying but sitting on the ground. No stresses, no movement that could justify her initiating the seat.

In her defense, the initiating action for the Northrup seat was not well designed and was vulnerable for inadvertent initiation if you were not very familiar and careful with the seat.

Like many aspects of military aircraft, you only get to make one mistake with an ejection seat. :yep:

[GoldenRivet]

my preflight briefing for passengers who have never been in small aircraft includes

1. How to operate the door for closing and opening
2. how to operate the safety restraints for buckling and unbuckling
3. how to operate any emergency equipment which might be onboard (fire extinguisher chiefly)

and one very important final addition

"...put your feet flat on the floor, put your hands on your knees, and dont move your hands or feet from that position without first asking me... are you comfortable? good... enjoy the ride!"

the most benign looking buttons and switches and levers can be the most critical in an airplane.

[SteamWake]

my preflight briefing for passengers who have never been in small aircraft includes

1. How to operate the door for closing and opening
2. how to operate the safety restraints for buckling and unbuckling
3. how to operate any emergency equipment which might be onboard (fire extinguisher chiefly)

and one very important final addition

"...put your feet flat on the floor, put your hands on your knees, and dont move your hands or feet from that position without first asking me... are you comfortable? good... enjoy the ride!"

the most benign looking buttons and switches and levers can be the most critical in an airplane.


Ohhh ohhhh whats this button do... it says 'gen' that must be general.... we can call the general !!!!

[Rilder]

my preflight briefing for passengers who have never been in small aircraft includes

1. How to operate the door for closing and opening
2. how to operate the safety restraints for buckling and unbuckling
3. how to operate any emergency equipment which might be onboard (fire extinguisher chiefly)

and one very important final addition

"...put your feet flat on the floor, put your hands on your knees, and dont move your hands or feet from that position without first asking me... are you comfortable? good... enjoy the ride!"

the most benign looking buttons and switches and levers can be the most critical in an airplane.

The first time I went up the pilot sat me in the co-pilot seat offered me the wheel. :cool:

[GoldenRivet]

The first time I went up the pilot sat me in the co-pilot seat offered me the wheel. :cool:

Thats my daily job :D

of course there are no eject levers or self destruct buttons in a Cessna 150

so pretty much no matter what you pushed or pulled or felt the desire to tinker with... the situation would pretty much be recoverable

[Platapus]

Ahh the 150. Brings back good memories. That is one good aircraft for learnin :yeah:

[SteamWake]

Ahh the 150. Brings back good memories. That is one good aircraft for learnin :yeah:


About all its good for really damn thing is so slow :haha:

[Platapus]

Yeah but it is a good predictable and forgiving aircraft. :salute:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

:timeout:
So if I push this button right here...
:/\\x:

:har:

[GoldenRivet]

About all its good for really damn thing is so slow :haha:

which is a good thing considering it was purpose built for training and as a student you need to build flight time.

with the Cessna 150 you only have to go about 60 miles out and back to get a good hour and a half of flight time on a cross country.

With a Warrior or a Cessna 172 you would have to fly about 100 miles out and back for the same amount of flight time.

put this 150 up against a cross country with 4 or 5 stops with 2 touch and goes at each... takeoff at 7:30am you could EASILY meet all of your solo cross country flight time requirements before lunch time the same day covering half the distance of another student in a faster airplane.

every airplane has to be purpose built, and the Cessna 150 was built with the flight school operation in mind.

The Cessna 150:

1. Has an hourly fuel cost of about $19
2. it is half the insurance cost of a 172
3. They have an extremely low acquisition price ($17-$25K)
4. They are very easy to maintain
5. Parts availability is excellent
6. they are always in demand so resale value holds very well
7. It takes up very little hangar space, so you could cram 8 or 10 of them in a single fairly medium sized hangar.

the list goes on and on

[Schroeder]

17K$ to 25K$? That's damn cheap.:o

We operate a double seater glider as a trainer at our airfield which is 30 years old (AsK 13) and even that thing would still cost 16 - 18.000 € to acquire.

[Platapus]

2. it is half the insurance cost of a 172


Yikes! I never knew that? Any idea why?

[GoldenRivet]

Yikes! I never knew that? Any idea why?

a couple of main things from the vantage point of the insurance company:

Cessna 150:

2 seats - This means that potentially only two individuals will be injured, maimed or killed if the aircraft is involved in an accident.

Hull Value - $24,000 (approx) This means that if the aircraft is invovled in an accident, and the result is that the aircraft is a total loss... the insurance company will write a check for $25K

Cessna 172

4 seats - This means that potentially there will be four individuals injured, maimed or killed if the aircraft is involved in the accident.

Hull value - $60,000+ (approx) This means that if the aircraft is invovled in an accident, and the result is that the aircraft is a total loss... the insurance company will write a check for $65K or perhaps more.

My annual premium on the Cessna 150 is about $3,100

this covers any human being to act as the pilot of the aircraft even if they have ZERO hours experience. This also covers me for up to $1,000,000 liability insurance.

Annual insurance premium for a Cessna 172 for the exact same coverage was in the neighborhood of $7,000

[Platapus]

I have to reiterate


Yikes!

[jimmydean357]

where is the download link for TMO 1.8 ???

(http://forum.kickinbak.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1785&start=220&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=ba8c3d9de0347bc300ec8e6c5c5aab25)

[Schroeder]

Wrong forum;).
Have a look at the SHIV mod forum or in the download section.:yep: