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Commander Gizmo
10-31-09, 02:38 PM
During my last rather fruitless patrol filled with well lit neutral convoys in my 1934 destroyer I found myself very low on fuel in the south eastern tip of grid AM. I knew I'd have to make it back to brest for resupply before heading to Wilhelmshaven. I potting my course and set speed for 17 knots, my most efficient speed. Just a few minutes into my return trip I get a radio report of a large convoy about 30 clicks to the southwest of me. I think, 'why not?' and set off to use my fuel reserves on one more assault despite the foul weather, which had visibility down to a mere 1km if you can see through the rain.

Upon intercepting the convoy, my radio man starts pouring in reports. Sounds like three escorts and a ton of juicy targets! Wait a second! What's that warship doing in the middle of the convoy?! We all know that can mean only one thing. A cruiser or battleship. Seeing as how I can't load a game with WSM without crashing, I better decide carefully on how to proceed, if at all.

Apparently I like to live on the edge, because I didn't give the order to retreat. I wasn't sure how far those giant guns could reach in this weather (Britain has to see it to shoot it in 1940), and so I had to decide if I could avoid getting shot at due to the bad weather once all the search beams were on me. Well, being the edge living captain I am, instead I decided the best course of action was to take out the warship first thing. "Ahead Flank!" I shouted. Thank you SH3Speech.

Using radar to find the columns I slipped in between two rows at flank speed running directly for the large guns, whatever they were. Amazingly none of the ships detected me despite the fact that I was close enough to spit on their crew. I quickly set up a spread of four impact torpedoes at 5 meters and readied my crew for a fierce engagement. At 36 knots, it took no time at all for the warship to come into view. "Looks like the Nelson! Can you confirm?" I shouted at the weapons officer (who probably had a whole different title on my new boat, but whatever). "No! It's the Rodney!" was the reply. "The torpedoes will hit that too!" I answered.

After setting up a solution for straight ahead -- there not being any time for more than that at 36 knots -- I fired four torpedoes. After the last one had cleared my boat I ordered hard to port since the biggest guns were on the front of my opponent's ship. "Come on! Turn! Turn!" My boat very slowly at high speed started to angle away from a collision course. I must have passed within 400 meters of my target. I ordered all guns pointed at the BB and got the crew on the turrets. I also ordered them to hold fire until the torpedoes hit. Amazingly somehow I still hadn't been detected. Their crew must be asleep.

A few tense second go by as the torpedoes head for their target. Somehow only one hits just under one of the main guns. I don't know how can I miss that bad with a four spread at 800 meters and a straight bow shot. I wait for the Rodney to open fire before I do in case they somehow still hadn't located me with all the spot lights shining on my ship. However, they did indeed. I got off a few good shots, and fortunately didn't take a single hit.

After running out of visual range of the BB, I headed out along an arc back to flanking the convoy. Along the way I took a few seconds to sink a pesky J&K that didn't offer much of a fight. I also took care of a few merchants along the way.

After taking care of a few armed merchants and a Black Swan, I headed back in at flank for another round with the Rodney. My torpedoes hadn't reloaded yet, so this time it is deck guns. I swung in from slightly behind and made a pass to her starboard side where the torpedo hit blasting as many dents into her armor as I could. About half way through the pass I thought that it might have been safer to challenge her main guns first rather than line myself up for them on the way out, but no shells hit me once again. As she was disappearing from view, I could see she was listing a bit so I must have done some damage.

I took out a few more merchants on my way out of the convoy to finish loading my torpedoes. After slipping out of their range and away from the final escort, who was searching fruitlessly 3000 meters away, I began to focus on reloading instead of manning the guns. I also ordered all engines stopped so I might have a chance to make it back to port under my own power.

Once my final three torpedoes were reloaded, I made one final pass at flank into the starboard side of the Rodney. This time I fired two impact eels at 6 meters with about a 5 degree spread. Once the BB was in view, I fired right away and turned to starboard to make my escape, this time firing all guns the whole way. My aim was somehow better this time as both torpedoes hit and my crew inform me that she is going down. Just how they know, I can't begin to tell. Must be something new they are teaching at academy.

At this point I can focus on the convoy and easily evade the helpless escorts since they have no radar. I discovered the Rodney was guarding four C4's, three large merchants, two large tankers, four medium merchants and a handfull of 5000-6000 armed merchants (NKM?, NGM?). My tonnage went from 54,000 to 274,000. I pulled up to the dock in Brest in the same terrible weather having only 74km worth of fuel left at best efficiency. I think I'll put in for extra fuel reserves and see what the brass have to say.

I realize that in RL in 1940 I probably wouldn't have had radar and destroyers like mine can't fire torpedoes straight ahead like a uboat, but it was fun none the less and quite tense fighting a BB even if she couldn't hit a barn if it was sitting on her deck.

Philipp_Thomsen
10-31-09, 04:08 PM
Destroyers firing torpedos? :o

Commander Gizmo
10-31-09, 07:42 PM
Destroyers have a rotatable rack if you will that mounts tubes. They turn the rack to the side and eject the torpedo off the side and into the water. I have heard of some that had tubes in the forward hull, but I can't recall what ships it was.

These were used to attack capital ships I believe. Torpedoes didn't get their start with uboats, did they?

Draka
10-31-09, 08:16 PM
You can look it up in the history books - but in a nutshell, in the late 1800's Torpedo Boats were developed - similar to the PT-Boat of legend. Then a ship type was developed to hunt and kill them - a Torpedo Boat Destroyer. Then they mounted torps on the Destroyers ....

VERY simple timeline - and somewhere in there a bright guy came up with a way to get the torps past the destroyers - submarines .....

Tombow
10-31-09, 09:48 PM
@Draka:

I might be trying to split a hair, but IMHO the class designation "destroyer" reflects the initial purpose of these ships, namely destroying larger and more battleworthy adversaries (such as cruisers of both pre- and dreadnaught designs and so) using "mines" (here a refer to all kinds of mines, moored, pole mines or "self-propelled mines", see below).

In several wars at the turn of the centuries (19th/20th) and even WWI, torpedoes were considered destroyer's main weapon, altough in some navies (the russian navy is a prime example), this ship was initially designed a "light mine cruiser" (one must keep in mind that the early torpedoes like the Whitehead and Hopewell designs were called "self-propelled mines"). Early torpedoes just required larger ships and more manpower to handle them than existing mine weapons at that time (pole mines for example).

While early destroyers were equipped with powerfull torpedo launch capabilities (prime example - the russian Novik-class destroyers), they were also formidable minelayers in their own. One can look back at both the russian and the japanese "destroyers" of the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905. In both design and mode of deployment torpedoes as well as mines were their main weapon.

Armament requirements alone led to the design convergence on an adequately (for its displacement) armored ship smaller than a light cruiser, capable of self-defense against lighter adversaries, seaworthy enough to operate in open water and fast enough to launch a torpedo attack against much larger and heavier adversary. This mode of deployment is best illustrated by the destroyer (and destroyer leader) action in the Battle of Jutland.

IMHO, escort (including anti-submarine-warfare) and raider duties came secondary to all that since the destroyer in its original fashion was just the right size to be fitted (besides torpedoes and mines) with artillery of the right caliber and speed to provide escort and scouting duty for a larger warship squadron while capable of operating against a lighter armed adversary.

bookworm_020
11-01-09, 03:01 AM
I'm sure your crew must have said some interesting comments about you when they heard that you were going to attack a battleship!:o

psykopatsak
11-01-09, 09:16 AM
also, i believe the "destroyer" name is not from destroying big things - they started out as "torpedo-boat destroyers" then it got shortened, and they got torpedos too...

Draka
11-01-09, 01:23 PM
Like I said - a VERY short timeline for illustrative purposes. But in my defense - just a quick quote from the Encyclopedia Brittanica -

"Destroyer - fast naval vessel that has served a variety of functions since the late 19th century. The term destroyer was first used for the 250-ton vessels built in the 1890s to protect battleships from torpedo boats (http://www.subsim.com/EBchecked/topic/600029/torpedo-boat). These torpedo-boat destroyers, as they were called, then became super torpedo boats themselves, so that, by World War I (http://www.subsim.com/EBchecked/topic/648646/World-War-I), they were commonly deployed ahead of the battle fleet to scout for the enemy fleet, beat back its destroyers with cannon fire, and then launch torpedoes against its battleships and cruisers."

I have many other sources that I have read over the years and I believe this is the correct history.

As you stated, the ASW aspect was a much later developement - in essence the original purpose was much as land-based cavalry - screening, raiding and pursuit - the fuctions of a sail-based frigate.

Also - this quote from http://wapedia.mobi/en/Destroyer :

"The first ships to bear the formal designation "Torpedo boat destroyer" (TBD) were the Daring class (http://www.subsim.com/en/Daring_class_destroyer) of two ships and Havock class (http://www.subsim.com/en/Havock_class_destroyer) of two ships of the Royal Navy (http://www.subsim.com/en/Royal_Navy), developed in 1892 under the newly appointed Third Sea Lord (http://www.subsim.com/en/Third_Sea_Lord) Rear Admiral (http://www.subsim.com/en/Rear_Admiral) "Jackie" Fisher (http://www.subsim.com/en/John_Fisher,_1st_Baron_Fisher)."

Cheers!

Tombow
11-01-09, 03:29 PM
OK. I stand corrected then. Well, at least the Imperial Russian Navy almost bypassed the torpedo boat age and moved from mine cutters almost straight to torpedo-equipped destroyers bypassing somehow the torpedo boat craze.

kdv
11-01-09, 09:54 PM
That's one thing I'm glad isn't accurate - AI destroyers and torpedo boats launching torpedoes in SH3.

When you're Bismarck, playing around the coasts raiding ports - you'd be very vulnerable to the tiny torp. boats, and slim destroyers launching torpedos at you.

Haven't played with the destroyers yet, just Scharnhorst and Bismarck.