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Freudian
10-30-09, 05:17 PM
I'm a SH4 noob, playing about my 4th patrol in February '42 out of Java, in my little S-boat. This patrol is my first one using manual TDC, all the realism boxes checked except the auto-map and the event cam. This is all vanilla SH4 v1.4 so far.

I'd been driving around the Sea of Java for a while, merrily dropping a handful of freighters sailing around alone, and had three Mark 10's remaining. HQ had just instructed me to take photos of Singapore and I plotted a course. Barely an hour later I started getting SD radar contacts approaching from the southeast... first two... then two more... then more, and more! Ducking to periscope depth, I risked a glance up as two of them flew near my boat -- two Val dive bombers. A carrier group?

A few hours later, all the planes came back going the opposite direction, obviously converging on a point about 25 miles southeast of me. I decided that pictures of Singapore were less important than a chance to hurt a fleet carrier, so I ordered a 180 in hopes of finding the carriers.

Sure enough, at about 2000 to 2015 my deck watch reported a contact. In the dark I could see multiple shapes, mostly bearing down directly on top of me! From periscope depth I watched them approach, making out the outlines of at least three flat-tops in the group. I picked out the most obvious shot I saw and tried to classify it -- a Hiryu-class, it must be, the island is on the left -- worked out the course and speed off the chart, and waited for the group to stumble right through my firing solution. I was going to be about 800 yards from the Hiryu, I had plenty of night, and everybody appeared to be driving straight, blissfully unaware of me.

As the TDC said the carrier was 1500 yards out, I stuck my scope back up to check the solution one more time. That was not the correct thing to do: a destroyer very, very nearby immediately lit me up with sonar and started charging at me. Oh, hell...

I shot off all three torps (the firing solution be damned, maybe I'll at least wound something) and immediately ordered a flank-speed dive with a turn under the task force. Unfortunately, this is all in the Sea of Java still - depth about 100 feet - so I didn't exactly have lots of maneuvering room or a layer to hide under. Miraculously, one of the torps actually did hit an object. Even more incredibly, the event cam shortly showed me that Hiryu carrier listing over and sinking - from one Mark 10! Awesome.

But the escorts didn't like that. The depth charging that followed caused some flooding, and my little S-boat settled at 109 feet, with much crashing of metal, onto the sea floor. This, apparently, was a very bad thing to do: electrical motors destroyed, diesel engines destroyed, props destroyed... uh oh.

Sitting motionless on the bottom, the DD's tossed more depth charges at me, but not very accurately. The boat took more damage and crew were injured, the periscopes were destroyed, the deck gun, just about every other system - but eventually, most things got repaired. Eventually the escorts wandered off again, and I blew ballast and bobbled to the surface in my wounded little boat.

But I've got a big, big problem now. Apparently we can't repair any propulsion systems at all at sea. I'm stuck a few hundred miles from home, I can't do anything except radio "Out of torpedoes!" back to base...

(Oh, also. I reported the task force when I spotted it, got orders to attack... and apparently dropping a fleet carrier doesn't count as "engaging the task force," the mission objective is still incomplete. HQ *******s. And they still want me to go to Singapore.)

I would hate to have that fantastic encounter end in abortive failure because I can't invent a way to move my boat.

peabody
10-30-09, 05:31 PM
But I've got a big, big problem now. Apparently we can't repair any propulsion systems at all at sea. I'm stuck a few hundred miles from home, I can't do anything except radio "Out of torpedoes!" back to base...

(Oh, also. I reported the task force when I spotted it, got orders to attack... and apparently dropping a fleet carrier doesn't count as "engaging the task force," the mission objective is still incomplete. HQ *******s. And they still want me to go to Singapore.)

I would hate to have that fantastic encounter end in abortive failure because I can't invent a way to move my boat.

You CAN repair populsion systems at sea, You can NOT repair "destroyed" equipment. So your problem isn't that it is damaged, the problem is, it is destroyed. Game Over.
I understand there may be a way to go into the 'save game' files to cheat, I mean fix the problem, but I do not know how to do it. I just play dead is dead.

And your Singapore mission is incomplete since you didn't go there, and the Task Force mission may have a certain tonnage (which is usually more than one ship).

Peabody

G2B
10-30-09, 07:44 PM
Happened to me in my Sargo class, Destroyed engines and 75% of my Batteries Destroyed. Nothing to do but wait for someone to come by and finish us off and Go Down Swingin'. The really sad part was it was my own torpedo that got me :nope:

Onkel Neal
10-31-09, 10:28 AM
...anf welcome aboard, Freudian:salute:

peabody
10-31-09, 10:45 AM
Freudian,

I'm sorry I didn't welcome you, I didn't even look at the join date. Welcome!!:oops:

Peabody

G2B
10-31-09, 02:42 PM
Freudian,

I'm sorry I didn't welcome you, I didn't even look at the join date. Welcome!!:oops:

Peabody


:oops: Welcome aboard :()1:

Inner Sound
10-31-09, 03:51 PM
@ Freudian: I've been dreaming of torpedoes. Great big 21" torpedoes that just won't go off. Please tell me I'm normal. Please.

Freudian
10-31-09, 05:41 PM
Appreciate the welcome!

I ended up re-loading from a save and executing the attack again, this time at 1 knot and the crew forbidden to blink because it would be too loud. This time the destroyers never even found me - and of course the CV didn't sink. Oh well, neither did I!

I just played my first patrol with Mark 14 torps, and had... not a single dud. Either that's because I'm playing vanilla SH4, or because just about every torpedo I shot in that mission was a last-second, 750-yard "that looks close-ish" snapshot launched in one rainy, night, surface convoy attack. They didn't exactly hit the targets at nice right angles.

G2B
10-31-09, 06:24 PM
Re-load from game save.....Interesting. So being stranded in the Pacific, on a submarine without any form of operable propulsion was a bad dream. Interesting, and how did the crew feel about your premonition? :har:


Even in the Vanilla duds and pre-matures are a plague early in the war :shifty:

Faamecanic
10-31-09, 10:14 PM
"For you my friend, the war is over"...forgot which game used to tell you that.

I think I had the EXACT same thing happend to me, with the same group, in the same area ...LOL. AFter hitting convoys and small Assault groups, I got cocky... got right in the middle of a HUGE assault group. STuck my scope up, targeted a carrier.... and all hell broke loose as 5 or so DDs depth charged the poo poo out of me..... DEAD.

Sometimes the stock 1.4 can shock you with the AI....

Oh and WELCOME!

Freudian
11-01-09, 12:18 AM
If I didn't abuse save/reload... first off, I'd never complete a patrol. Second, I doubt I would survive past June 1942. :DL

After that ill-fated S-boat patrol, they gave me a Porpoise. I took that out on one patrol and got it shot up to about 80% hull damage; when I brought it back to Fremantle they scrapped it, and gave me another new boat, a Salmon this time. So I wreck the boats and I get new ones? Ha...

I'll probably pick up the U-boat pack soon so I can install some of the 1.5 mods. TMO looks crazy... maybe I shouldn't be messing with it if the vanilla 1.4 escorts can kill me...

Dual edit: 1. Faamecanic, that wasn't Aces of the Deep, was it?

2. The US FAA?

peabody
11-01-09, 12:23 AM
So I wreck the boats and I get new ones? Ha...



Be careful you don't get the USS Deskchair. Or the USS Filing Cabinet. Or maybe even the USS Dig-a-Ditch.

Peabody

Freudian
11-01-09, 12:47 AM
Well, I already got downgraded from the "Shark" (awesome!) to the "Skipjack" (well...)

SteamWake
11-01-09, 09:53 AM
@ Freudian: I've been dreaming of torpedoes. Great big 21" torpedoes that just won't go off. Please tell me I'm normal. Please.

Sometimes a torpedo is just a torpedo. ;)

Freudian
11-01-09, 08:47 PM
Sometimes a torpedo is just a torpedo. ;)

Nice. I can't believe I didn't catch that myself.

MK2
11-02-09, 10:55 PM
Well at least you did not run out of fuel like I did in my first patrol (sigh).....same result unfortunately...

I'm goin' down
11-03-09, 05:22 AM
I pulled off a great mission a while ago. I snuck into a harbor, sunk three patrolling destroyers and two anchored carriers. I was ready to withdraw and claim medals, but my boat was stuck. I used the free camera to see if I had a problem. I was caught in a submarine net. Mission over!