View Full Version : Promotion and Medal presentation SH 5
Lord Justice
10-29-09, 11:38 AM
wouldnt it be great ( captains only ) if there was some kind of short film footage toward ones achievments, lets say 5 second clip of donitz presenting promotions/ lower medals. perhaps adolf on earning knights cross? even if this were in some kind of annimation!! iam sure it beats looking at a medal with words of praise, to be suddenly put in box. after all the love of the game!! sim, inspiration certainly helps during those long patrols, the looking foward to returning to base. Medals/ stripes/ Fraus/ beer/ and gossip with thomsen leaves one of satisfaction. you think??:rock:
Sailor Steve
10-29-09, 11:45 AM
Yes, this would be neat. I never earned any medals or promotions in Aces Of The Deep, but its companion game Red Baron gave film clips of medals being pinned on. Both of those had newspaper clippings celebrating your accomplishments and mourning your loss if you died.
Donitz or others, yes. Hitler, No.
Donitz or others, yes. Hitler, No.
Agreed, imagine what would think those who already say: ''why german side again''?
One thing I had always imagined was that instead of a 'medal box', there be a screen that shows a tunic, with your rank and insignia added as you earn them. Something that can be zoomed in or rotated, and hovering the cursor over a particular award will show a description...
Maybe even have the option to show (some) of the awards as ribbon bars instead of badges.
Kinda hard to explain exactly, but it would show your progression in a different way I think, rather than a wooden box with cut-outs waiting to be filled in. Oh, and the accompanying documents would be a nice addition to the award also.
I'm also wondering how the criteria for awards will be done this time out. It seems they are always 'flaky' in these games.
Lord Justice
10-29-09, 01:07 PM
nice one guys , some good ideas there, i do so hope the dev team develop one of these ideas, as for playing the other side with my above mentioned idea we all know its for the u boot, but i get the drift, nothing meant by it just saw prien being highly awarded with the higherarchy on his merrits, they even sent prien and his crew in an all expenses paid ski trip not to mention all the other perks one had thrown at them. :salute:
Hey no biggie on what you mentioned, it's just that flying us off to the Berghof might be a bit much..lol
No worries tho. :cool:
Hope they do have a better visual / criteria model for the medals this time tho!
THE_MASK
10-29-09, 03:42 PM
Nah , videos are so 2005 . First person is so 2010 .
http://blog.cleverly.com/misc/coriantum.jpg
JScones
10-30-09, 04:22 AM
wouldnt it be great ( captains only ) if there was some kind of short film footage toward ones achievments, lets say 5 second clip of donitz presenting promotions/ lower medals. perhaps adolf on earning knights cross? even if this were in some kind of annimation!! iam sure it beats looking at a medal with words of praise, to be suddenly put in box. after all the love of the game!! sim, inspiration certainly helps during those long patrols, the looking foward to returning to base. Medals/ stripes/ Fraus/ beer/ and gossip with thomsen leaves one of satisfaction. you think??:rock:
I agree. I remember Panzer Commander had a static screen. Nothing extravagant, but better than nothing.
One thing I had always imagined was that instead of a 'medal box', there be a screen that shows a tunic, with your rank and insignia added as you earn them. Something that can be zoomed in or rotated, and hovering the cursor over a particular award will show a description...
Maybe even have the option to show (some) of the awards as ribbon bars instead of badges.
Kinda hard to explain exactly, but it would show your progression in a different way I think, rather than a wooden box with cut-outs waiting to be filled in.
I agree. I actually built a prototype of this in SH3Cmdr, where when the user selects the Crew Manager screen they get a bust of each crewmen with rank/medals/badges/quals mounted. Unfortunately, I couldn't get an artist with free time to help finish it. :(
Oh, and the accompanying documents would be a nice addition to the award also.
Again, another feature that fell by the wayside in SH3Cmdr through lack of help, but one that I'd love to see in SH5.
Somekind of drawn pic would be nice, kinda like the screens you see in SH4 for stuff. I dont mind having uncle Adolf presenting awards, maybe draw it so that Adolf is facing away from the "camera", so you dont see his face, but you still know who the man is. Maybe draw him from back and right, so he is standing in an small angle, so that the swastika on the left sleeve wouldnt be visible (but you'd see abit of his left arm and part of the red banner) and only a portion of his face would be visible. I think everyone would be happy with that. :hmmm:
ETR3(SS)
10-30-09, 09:05 AM
http://blog.cleverly.com/misc/coriantum.jpg Go away wow cow...
Stealth Hunter
10-30-09, 10:55 PM
Anytime I think of a supreme graphical representation of receiving awards/promotions, Red Baron and Red Baron 3D always come to mind. Sadly, there's a shortage of that kind of quality in games today. Or hard work for that matter. It's always left up to the modders now. Devs like Damon Slye and Dynamix were praised and loved for one reason: they produced damn fine work.
JScones
10-31-09, 09:35 AM
I've gotta say, this thread has reminded me of everything I loved about Microprose simulations of the 1980's and early 1990's. They always had medal screens and stuff. Remember Gunship 2000?
http://img507.imageshack.us/i/bki23gt8.png/http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4291/bki23gt8.png http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7392/uvdmra5c.png
http://img524.imageshack.us/i/uvdmra5c.png/
I've gotta say, this thread has reminded me of everything I loved about Microprose simulations of the 1980's and early 1990's. They always had medal screens and stuff. Remember Gunship 2000?
http://img507.imageshack.us/i/bki23gt8.png/http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4291/bki23gt8.png
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7392/uvdmra5c.png
Man, THOSE were the days, :woot:
Microprose, Strategic Simulations, Westwood Studios, Dynamix, Sierra... :rock:
kptn_kaiserhof
10-31-09, 11:54 PM
lets just wait and see how the medal presentions turns out:cool:
Annatar
11-01-09, 12:00 AM
Given your post in this thread and the big wave thread I guess you'd prefer it if everybody just shut up and didn't discuss or speculate about anything.
Kind of defeats the purpose of a discussion forum, doesn't it?
kptn_kaiserhof
11-01-09, 08:38 AM
if you want to think that
Ritmeister
11-01-09, 11:15 AM
I think the view of the uniform changing as medals or promotions are awraded is an excellent idea. Way better than just the box used in SH3. Perhaps the view of the uniform could wither be as some just posted, or a variety of a number of heads to create an avatar. Even possibly something to selctd a facial type, hair color, mustache, beard, etc.. THe First person shooters easily do this all the time these days. Some clever modder might even be able to allow you to take a snapsot of your own head, face and sort of photshop it onto your avatar.:arrgh!:
Of course this could be combined with some film or generated clip of your avatar being awarded something or other, with appropriate martial music.:salute:
Again, another feature that fell by the wayside in SH3Cmdr through lack of help, but one that I'd love to see in SH5.
What you mean lack of help? The way I remember it quite a few people helped to search for the documents for you? :doh:
JScones
11-01-09, 06:23 PM
What you mean lack of help? The way I remember it quite a few people helped to search for the documents for you? :doh:
Check out http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=131580&page=4 where I was seeking graphics assistance.
Getting the documents was fine, thanks mainly to you for your great high-resolution scans. It all fell apart at the document cleanup stage. I'm useless at graphics. LzZ was very helpful, but recognised his limitations. I asked a few of the "better known" graphic artists whether they could help clean up the files (mainly by PM), as well as in my thread, but didn't get too far. Not their fault of course - RL should override anything games related.
Anyway, you can see where I got up to in the thread linked above, as I pretty much posted SH3Cmdr-generated examples, warts and all, of each certificate.
Faamecanic
11-01-09, 06:35 PM
Man, THOSE were the days, :woot:
Microprose, Strategic Simulations, Westwood Studios, Dynamix, Sierra... :rock:
Dont forget ORIGIN (Space Rouge) and FIREBIRD (Elite) :)
JScones
11-01-09, 06:39 PM
I think the view of the uniform changing as medals or promotions are awraded is an excellent idea. Way better than just the box used in SH3. Perhaps the view of the uniform could wither be as some just posted, or a variety of a number of heads to create an avatar. Even possibly something to selctd a facial type, hair color, mustache, beard, etc.. THe First person shooters easily do this all the time these days. Some clever modder might even be able to allow you to take a snapsot of your own head, face and sort of photshop it onto your avatar.:arrgh!:
Of course this could be combined with some film or generated clip of your avatar being awarded something or other, with appropriate martial music.:salute:
Something like this perhaps?
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6939/avatarg.gif
Check out http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=131580&page=4 where I was seeking graphics assistance.
Getting the documents was fine, thanks mainly to you for your great high-resolution scans. It all fell apart at the document cleanup stage. I'm useless at graphics. LzZ was very helpful, but recognised his limitations. I asked a few of the "better known" graphic artists whether they could help clean up the files (mainly by PM), as well as in my thread, but didn't get too far. Not their fault of course - RL should override anything games related.
Anyway, you can see where I got up to in the thread linked above, as I pretty much posted SH3Cmdr-generated examples, warts and all, of each certificate.
I'm not great working with graphics, decent with photoshop, etc., but if you decide to do any work in this area for SH5, I have a LOT of source material to scan.
Anything Iron cross related, literally from its inception to post-war I've got covered; every grade imaginable including rare variants, presentation documents, award cases, etc...
Might as well put some of this stuff to use. :rock:
http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx43/sevrin2009/docs.jpg?t=1257123494
Lord Justice
11-01-09, 08:39 PM
very nice !!! :up:
JScones
11-01-09, 08:45 PM
I'm not great working with graphics, decent with photoshop, etc., but if you decide to do any work in this area for SH5, I have a LOT of source material to scan.
Anything Iron cross related, literally from its inception to post-war I've got covered; every grade imaginable including rare variants, presentation documents, award cases, etc...
Might as well put some of this stuff to use. :rock:
<snip>
Thanks. :up: Checkout the thread I linked above that shows where I got up to - it could effortlessly be ported over to SH5 (if needed). To that end, if you have full size scans of any awarded documents, that would be absolutely brilliant. :up:
Thanks. :up: Checkout the thread I linked above that shows where I got up to - it could effortlessly be ported over to SH5 (if needed). To that end, if you have full size scans of any awarded documents, that would be absolutely brilliant. :up:
No problem. Will have a new scanner by the time the game's released, so we should end up with some very good material if we need it.
Be interesting to see how in depth they go on the awards, or if it's just kind of an after-thought. No doubt it'll be 'fill in the box' again... :yep:
Lord Justice
11-01-09, 08:59 PM
No problem. Will have a new scanner by the time the game's released, so we should end up with some very good material if we need it.
Be interesting to see how in depth they go on the awards, or if it's just kind of an after-thought. No doubt it'll be 'fill in the box' again... :yep: lol dont say that, for what ive seen you guys can do it, if only they allow it and make it so.:)
coinbird
11-01-09, 09:50 PM
swastika's cannot be sold in germany, so if they want to include that market they'd have to avoid showing any of that symbolism and just stick to iron crosses. It would be up to modders later to add such in if desired
JScones
11-01-09, 10:48 PM
No different to SH3, I'd presume. Didn't take long for the swastica mods to appear.
Check out http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=131580&page=4 where I was seeking graphics assistance.
Getting the documents was fine, thanks mainly to you for your great high-resolution scans. It all fell apart at the document cleanup stage. I'm useless at graphics. LzZ was very helpful, but recognised his limitations. I asked a few of the "better known" graphic artists whether they could help clean up the files (mainly by PM), as well as in my thread, but didn't get too far. Not their fault of course - RL should override anything games related.
Anyway, you can see where I got up to in the thread linked above, as I pretty much posted SH3Cmdr-generated examples, warts and all, of each certificate.
Ah, right. I forgot the thread at some point, so. :oops:
I think those documents would be maybe the best to do again from scratch, easy and quick job and would make it look consistent with any "new" text that SH3cmdr adds i.e. the captain's name. :hmmm:
thruster
11-04-09, 07:59 AM
what i was thinking is this:
as youre laying on your bunk enduring yet more depthcharging, you look at the wood panelling at the end of your bunk. hanging up is your shore tunic ready for your next return.
- as your rank changes or you are decorated, your uniform tunic is modified to reflect it. simple idea huh?
whilst on the subject; white captains cap. when your POV is from the bunk as you pan the view, you should also get a view of your cap sitting on your desk. caps are very individual and can be stylised, so how about selecting one from a drop list?
personalising the sub. how about adding several pictures on walls or in frames. these should be modifiable to reflect your story. also posters that can be modifiable/personalised to suit too.
the boats flag should be flying on the pole on the wintergarden. if i want to alter it to fly the skull and crossbones then i should. is that too hard?
personalisation engenders ownership to the whole thing. it should be a priority.:arrgh!:
I like very much the idea of the Dönitz/Flotilla chief (Not Adolf, please, would sure attract lots of legal issues against the game. Let the modders do that later in any case) screen/footage awarding the medals.:up:
The only thing I would beg is please do not make it 3D if the devs can't provide good 3D human models. For me nothing kills more the inmersion of the scene than seeing unhuman cyborgs moving around. :nope:
whilst on the subject; white captains cap. when your POV is from the bunk as you pan the view, you should also get a view of your cap sitting on your desk. caps are very individual and can be stylised, so how about selecting one from a drop list? personalising the sub. how about adding several pictures on walls or in frames. these should be modifiable to reflect your story. also posters that can be modifiable/personalised to suit too.
Hadn't considered that, but that's cool idea... :)
Ilpalazzo
11-04-09, 11:34 AM
I'd like to see more to this. the 2d box cut-out thing is pretty weak. www w w wtf, my right shift doesn't work1 feels like there's something stuck in there.
anyway, I do think it could be better. If there's a 3d model of a guy, he better have eyes at least. :dead:
Ritmeister
11-04-09, 01:50 PM
:rotfl2:I didn't know Topp wore glasses..
Was he somehow distantly related to Buddy Holly?:O:
Seriously, I just read an article and saw a vew screenshot where the upcoming "Storm of War" combat flight sim is including all 3D animated pilots and crew. The early pictures look outstanding.
In addition Oleg Maddox ws quoted as saying it will include the ability to modify the uniform, modify the facial features to whatever you desire or use a feature which will map your photo onto the player facial image area.
Something like this perhaps?
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6939/avatarg.gif
kptn_kaiserhof
11-06-09, 09:53 AM
very nice idea
Philipp_Thomsen
11-06-09, 12:03 PM
Damn... Dowly's signature is everywhere
karamazovnew
11-14-09, 01:31 AM
swastika's cannot be sold in germany, so if they want to include that market they'd have to avoid showing any of that symbolism and just stick to iron crosses. It would be up to modders later to add such in if desired
Usually games about WW2 have 2 versions, with and without the "thingie". I for one prefer the German cross any day and the only Conning tower emblem I've ever used was "Fur Deutchland".
But after reading this (taken from wikipedia), I think games should substitute the swastika with a simple black X.
In spring 2007 a petition to the parliament (the Bundestag) to reintroduce the Iron Cross as an award for military bravery was initiated. The parliament decided on 13 December 2007 to leave it to the Ministry of Defence to decide on the matter[8]. The proposal was supported by the President of the Reservistenverband, Ernst-Reinhard Beck (CDU). Beck stated that the symbol was used as the symbol of all German military vehicles, airplanes and ships, and constituted a symbol of hope, aid and solidarity in crisis areas[9][10].
It used to bother me that when it came to the German decorations in WWII games they were inevitably shown 'de-nazified' as in the post-war period, but that's usually one of the first things modders attend to anyhow, so it's ok by me. :up:
Those things are usually pretty easily 'fixed'...
Lord Justice
11-20-09, 07:43 AM
well thanx for all input on this post some great ideas i really warm to the idea of the uniform in captains room changing with promotion and medals alike to view rather than the old box, hope they immplement something. cheers :salute:
Arclight
12-16-09, 12:15 PM
(bump; should not be a tacked on feature)
It used to bother me that when it came to the German decorations in WWII games they were inevitably shown 'de-nazified' as in the post-war period, but that's usually one of the first things modders attend to anyhow, so it's ok by me. :up:
Those things are usually pretty easily 'fixed'...
It's probably better to release the game like that. As mentioned before, a Swastika is illegal in Germany, and accurate depictions would probably stir up a bit of controversy. We need as many people as possible buying SH to keep the series going, so that's something it can do without. :yep:
A lot of focus seems to be placed on immersion, more so than in previous releases at least. Having a bit of a ceremony depicted when medals and promotions are awarded should fit in nicely with that goal.
A bit of personalization around the boat, and being able to gander at your cap and tunic would as well. :up:
I can go without Adolf though, but Dowly's proposal is more than acceptable. :salute:
THE_MASK
12-16-09, 02:12 PM
Great idea, add greatly to the immersion and modders could add there own video as well, it would. Hmmmmmm.
One thing I had always imagined was that instead of a 'medal box', there be a screen that shows a tunic, with your rank and insignia added as you earn them. Something that can be zoomed in or rotated, and hovering the cursor over a particular award will show a description...
Maybe even have the option to show (some) of the awards as ribbon bars instead of badges.
something like this (taken from old sim: Luftwaffe Commander)
http://img4.imgup.eu/1-_EK1.tmb.png (http://img4.imgup.eu/1-_EK1.jpg)
- LuboS
Lord Justice
12-17-09, 09:27 PM
Yes, with the correct uniform, it would be very good. :up:
thruster
12-22-09, 05:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sevrin http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1196339#post1196339)
One thing I had always imagined was that instead of a 'medal box', there be a screen that shows a tunic, with your rank and insignia added as you earn them. Something that can be zoomed in or rotated, and hovering the cursor over a particular award will show a description...
Maybe even have the option to show (some) of the awards as ribbon bars instead of badges.
something like this (taken from old sim: Luftwaffe Commander)
http://img4.imgup.eu/1-_EK1.tmb.png (http://img4.imgup.eu/1-_EK1.jpg)
this is a great idea. sure its eye candy, but i believe it really would encourage the player to take ownership of his character. i still think the ideal would be as i suggested earlier; ingame have your shore tunic hanging on the wood panelling at the foot of the bunk that gets modified ingame as you gather rank and decorations. when youre enduring the 3rd hour of DCs you can at least checkout your bling.
however, if thats omitted from the game then perhaps the above idea could atleast be included in a mod like a subcommander type thing?!
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