Question about attack map

[jdupree]

Hello. Just a couple of quick questions. How do I get the big compass rose with bearings to come up on the attack map? I have seen it on several tutorials but have not figured it out?

My second question is that on the stadimeter when I dial up the range it appears 1241 yards is the max I can dial it up to. Is this correct? Just seems like the dial won't slide much past 1200 yards.

Lastly, AOB is kicking my butt!! Still can't figure an easy way to compute even after watching several tutorials. Any help would be appreciated!!

[Rockin Robbins]

Use the plot, man, use the plot!

The compass rose you see is one of two things. Most likely you are talking about the 360º bearing plotter, which is an add/on mod. I use the 3000 yard/meter bearing plotter (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=174). It changes units automatically from yards to meters depending on whether you're in a fleet boat or U-Boat and is twice as large as other bearing plotters.

But you could also be talking about the movable compass rose that is a part of the ruler and compass tools in the nav mao if you have tool help on. To turn on tool help, click on the directional compass on the top of all the other tools. It opens up to show that tool help is on. My only question is why it's an option at all. When would you NOT want to have tool help on? It is one of the mysteries of the universe that may never be answered!

Yes, by just pulling down the plastic triangle on the TDC range/bearing input mode, you're right. However, if you first use the stadimeter to get something close to correct range, you can still move the triangle to correct the range to radar distance. Then you aren't restricted to the 1300 yards or so.

[jdupree]

Thanks for the help!! The bearing plotter is it!!!! I guess just download it? How would I install it from the game? Do most folks use the bearing plotter or would that be cheating a little?

[Rockin Robbins]

Download and use JSGME (http://www.users.on.net/%7Ejscones/software/products-jsgme.html) for installing all mods. Instructions come with the mod.

The bearing plotter is a tool that would be used on a real plotting table so I can't understand how it could be called cheating.

[jdupree]

Thanks alot for the help. My only other problem is figuring the AOB. I have looked at several of the tutorials and still having problems. Is there a quick & easy way??

[SteamWake]

There are some quick and dirty methods all of which fall a bit short.

Best thing is practice :salute:

[norc24601]

Thanks alot for the help. My only other problem is figuring the AOB. I have looked at several of the tutorials and still having problems. Is there a quick & easy way??

For me, I practiced using a small box (such as a cigarette box) to represent the bridge's facade; I turned it around to understand how much bridge I can see. Then I look at the gun barrels (for warships); how they turned.

Sometimes I take a bearing and range reading, wait 3 minutes (imperial) or 3min 15sec (metric), take another bearing and range reading, and plot the target's course (it also shows target's speed); as long as I remain undetected, her course usually wouldn't change and I can measure her AOB anytime I want.

But if she zigged this way or zagged that way,

Mostly (for quickest and arguably accurate reading), I ask the XO for speed and course of the target. If his speed estimate is correct (doesn't stray from previous, more solid reading), his course estimate is probably accurate too. Then I compare his course estimate with my own previous AOB reading and what's on the scope at the moment. If I agree with him, then I turn the AOB dial to match his course estimate; the upper TDC dial shows target's AOB and course. If I don't agree with him, then I take another range reading and ask him again (I think TGT DIALS TO PK FIX mod works great for this). Although a more hardcore skipper would put a black spot on my hand for this, personally I don't consider this as cheating.

I do wish for OLCgui especially for AOB reading in SH4 but I guess if onelifecrisis wants to port it to another SH, he'd probably would want to wait for SH5

Hope that helps a bit, Captain :salute:

[Rockin Robbins]

Try some of the constant bearing techniques in the Sub Skippers' Bag of Tricks (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=146795) thread!

[Munchausen]

My second question is that on the stadimeter when I dial up the range it appears 1241 yards is the max I can dial it up to. Is this correct? Just seems like the dial won't slide much past 1200 yards.

There's a mod for that.

[ColonelSandersLite]

There's a slight problem with the mod though. At larger ranges, the numbers on the dial don't match what's actually entered into the TDC. You have to enter a considerably larger number sometimes.

[ColonelSandersLite]

Mostly (for quickest and arguably accurate reading), I ask the XO for speed and course of the target. If his speed estimate is correct (doesn't stray from previous, more solid reading), his course estimate is probably accurate too.

Dunno who has noticed or not noticed, but the course and speed he gives you are *exact*, rounded to the nearest knot/degree. The thing is that it *only* uses the last stadimeter reading, and the one before that. If one of those readings was innacurate, the game will spit out an absolutely correct result for the innacurate readings. In other words, if your previous reading was long, and the current reading is short, it can be *way* off, and depends strictly on stadimeter accuracy. The more rapid the readings, the more pronounced this effect is. It is important to note that it will also not average results from say the previous 5 readings.


While that button is worth using when in a hurry it's not very accurate unless you wait a long time between readings and both readings where good.


Also, someone mentioned the 3 minute rule, which works well in a moderate hurry as well. However, with manual plotting, it is also very prone to error. If time allows, and don't get the wrong impression that it always will, it is far far better to track and plot the target for a long period of time to reduce the error.

[norc24601]

.....the course and speed he gives you are *exact*, rounded to the nearest knot/degree.
While that button is worth using when in a hurry it's not very accurate unless you wait a long time between readings and both readings where good.


The Colonel's right :up: XO's readings are accurate (that's why in my boat, his estimates gets more correct around 1000m; it's because my readings get better around 1000m :yep:).

[Rockin Robbins]

The stadimeter is good for cursing at and little else, which is an accurate reflection of its utility in a real submarine. One time Dick O'Kane had his radar, the gold standard, go out and it looked like a shore job to fix it. He made a very sarcastic comment to the effect of "there goes half of my remaining torpedoes wasted." That was perhaps a conservative reaction.

If you absolutely have to shoot now, the XO's estimate is better than nothing. That's about it. Don't expect a lot of hits from outside 1000 yards.

[WitoldGritz]

umm. what is XO? :06::dead:

[Laconic]

umm. what is XO? :06::dead:

Executive Officer, second in command on the boat. He's hypothetically the "person" who shouts out readings if you use the stadimeter to get speed and course estimates.