Sopwith Camel & Fokker DR.1 Coming to Rise of Flight [Archive]

Stealth Hunter

10-25-09, 03:28 PM

With the 1.008 patch, they'll be automatically added to the game. Their website store will then have them up for purchase. The patch is due out sometime next month.

Pics:

http://wwiaircombat.com/images/2009/rise-of-flight-sopwith-camel-1.jpg
http://wwiaircombat.com/images/2009/rise-of-flight-sopwith-camel-2.jpg
http://wwiaircombat.com/images/2009/rise-of-flight-fokker-dr1-2.jpg
http://wwiaircombat.com/images/2009/rise-of-flight-fokker-dr1-1.jpg

TheBrauerHour

10-25-09, 11:46 PM

Those two are THE iconic aircraft I was waiting for.

TarJak

10-26-09, 02:02 AM

With the 1.008 patch, they'll be automatically added to the game. Their website store will then have them up for purchase. The patch is due out sometime next month.
So you don't pay for them if you have the game and you get the patch? WTF would you pay for them then? Or do you have to add the patch then buy them?

Stealth Hunter

10-26-09, 03:13 AM

So you don't pay for them if you have the game and you get the patch? WTF would you pay for them then? Or do you have to add the patch then buy them?

You get them with the patch, but they're only available for the AI. Then you can go to their website and purchase them, which then unlocks the plane so you can use it at your own leisure.

XabbaRus

10-26-09, 12:50 PM

Which means some enterprising chap will unlock them for free.

Dowly

10-26-09, 12:57 PM

Which means some enterprising chap will unlock them for free.

Yeh, maybe so. :hmmm: It didnt take long from the ETW community to open the special units that you had to get the special edition to play with. Same deal, the units were in the normal edition also, but they werent activated if you didnt have the special edition.

Task Force

10-26-09, 01:33 PM

Yeh, maybe so. :hmmm: It didnt take long from the ETW community to open the special units that you had to get the special edition to play with. Same deal, the units were in the normal edition also, but they werent activated if you didnt have the special edition.

yep, and there was an old mod (the mod that adds courntys) that opens part of the native expansion it seems...

Stealth Hunter

10-26-09, 05:36 PM

Which means some enterprising chap will unlock them for free.

That's quite impossible. The account you use for the game also ties into the website. You buy the planes from there, the staff manually authenticates your purchase on the website, and they unlock them for you and allow you to fly- which then notes in their main website files that you've got access to such-and-such planes. They have to manually authenticate and unlock it, that's the keypoint here; otherwise, the file permissions are not unlocked so you cannot access the plane. If you tried modifying the core game's files to unlock them, their authentication process would detect it, send the data back to their site, and then lock you out of your account. Or the patching process would simply kick in and automatically delete the file and patch you back to the most recent version released.

The only hypothetical way you could "unlock" them is if you hacked their website and files somehow then manually unlocked the aircraft for yourself. But Neoqb's detection system would note an illegal access attempt long before you got anywhere near. They'd probably just ban your IP and account and report you to someone higher up.

This is why you do not see any working versions of it available from torrent and warez sites. Because although you can download the basegame files, you cannot do anything else with it. You have no authentication keycode that you email to them so they can activate your game, no account on their website, nothing.

Biggles

10-26-09, 05:55 PM

Looks wonderful. Hadn't played it for awhile but I started it up today and noticed they've added the Sopwith Dolphin! Quite a surprise really. I'm very tempted to buy it!

XabbaRus

10-28-09, 02:51 PM

Well I say nothing is impossible. Especially with a friendly Russian hacker.

It is only a matter of time till someone works their way round the copy protection system.

Dowly

10-28-09, 06:29 PM

That's quite impossible. The account you use for the game also ties into the website. You buy the planes from there, the staff manually authenticates your purchase on the website, and they unlock them for you and allow you to fly- which then notes in their main website files that you've got access to such-and-such planes. They have to manually authenticate and unlock it, that's the keypoint here; otherwise, the file permissions are not unlocked so you cannot access the plane. If you tried modifying the core game's files to unlock them, their authentication process would detect it, send the data back to their site, and then lock you out of your account. Or the patching process would simply kick in and automatically delete the file and patch you back to the most recent version released.

The only hypothetical way you could "unlock" them is if you hacked their website and files somehow then manually unlocked the aircraft for yourself. But Neoqb's detection system would note an illegal access attempt long before you got anywhere near. They'd probably just ban your IP and account and report you to someone higher up.

This is why you do not see any working versions of it available from torrent and warez sites. Because although you can download the basegame files, you cannot do anything else with it. You have no authentication keycode that you email to them so they can activate your game, no account on their website, nothing.

Sorry SH, but *laughs at SH's face*. :)

If it's made by man, it can be cracked by man. The only reason for it not being cracked yet is it's rather unpopular genre. Be it some new hot-shot FPS it would've been cracked in matter of days. :yep:

Stealth Hunter

10-28-09, 10:24 PM

Well I say nothing is impossible. Especially with a friendly Russian hacker.

It is only a matter of time till someone works their way round the copy protection system.

You can't. Like I was saying, the beauty and sophistication of this system is that it's not totally electronic anymore. That was always the problem with other protection systems. The majority of the process is done by people working at Neoqb, not bots or machines. They have to activate it and add the data into their servers, the planes and stuff have to be validated by both Neoqb and the credit card company provided (perhaps I should have mentioned that earlier, but whatever), etc. It's a manual process now.:salute:

Sorry SH, but *laughs at SH's face*. :)

If it's made by man, it can be cracked by man.

See above.:up:

The only reason for it not being cracked yet is it's rather unpopular genre. Be it some new hot-shot FPS it would've been cracked in matter of days. :yep:

Actually, it's been released as warez already. The problem is nobody can access the main menu and play. Because of the current protection system. They have no key to validate it with, no way to buy planes, no accounts on Neoqb's website. So they're basically left with ~4,000 MB of worthless files for it.:haha: But I won't go any deeper into that matter.

Dowly

10-29-09, 04:27 AM

Actually, it's been released as warez already. The problem is nobody can access the main menu and play. Because of the current protection system. They have no key to validate it with, no way to buy planes, no accounts on Neoqb's website. So they're basically left with ~4,000 MB of worthless files for it.:haha: But I won't go any deeper into that matter.

Yes, it is released on "some" sites, but I was referring to it not being cracked yet and I said already why it hasnt been cracked yet.

And like I said already, even that kind of CP can be cracked. The activation key is stored somewhere in your PC or atleast the command that tells your game it's activated. So are the commands that tell your game to validate itself via the website. All those can be changed/fooled. :yep:

Stealth Hunter

10-29-09, 04:19 PM

But you have to confirm the CD key by sending the email to Neoqb, then they have their staff check it and sort through a key list. If it's invalid or not on there, they won't confirm it for you. Plus you have no account to run it anyway, stemming directly from their website. The files now are not stored on the computer or in the registry, just the graphics, sounds, missions, etc., all the things that make it a game. The validation stuff and CD keys are all done online manually. That's the problem for pirates, and that's the beauty of the new system.

XabbaRus

10-29-09, 04:24 PM

Stealth Hunter

10-29-09, 04:24 PM

New videos up on YouTube.

Fokker DR.1 - Preview Flight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_moTffllBM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_moTffllBM&feature=related)

Fokker DR.1 - Various Dogfights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_moTffllBM

Fokker DR.1 - Takeoff & Check

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AypQRzxQ6A

Fokker DR.1 - Train Attack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5yW52Ck4m4

Sopwith Camel F.1 - Preview Flight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqVYbbvwS3g

Stealth Hunter

10-29-09, 04:32 PM

Hmm 3DS MAX did a similar thing. You had to get an authorisation code from the developer to unlock it bnut before that you had to e-mail in a validation code....

hmmm now that was hacked....

Though did they also require you to create an account on their website for the game before you could actually use it and enter your credit card information into the store section of your account to access new features? No, they didn't. And that's why they failed. Miserably. Combined with the fact that their software didn't have an autodetection system for keygens. It's kind of like STEAM's VAC system for ROF.

I checked WWIAirCombat.com and got a link to the ROF blog. Last month, the total number of copies sold was announced to be over 45,000, with some 20,000 in Russia alone.

Schroeder

10-29-09, 06:54 PM

After watching on of the vids I'm asking myself where the little wind shield is that the Dr1 has? I can't see it in the cockpit view.:06:
Is this an oversight by the devs?

Stealth Hunter

10-29-09, 08:42 PM

The first DR.1s that were produced and delivered to front line units after the Fokker F.1 was removed did not have windscreens. Later, it became an optional attachment (there was a way that you could screw them on).

Here are some fresh Dreideckers at Jasta 26's aerodrome in Bavichove (note that most do not have windscreens):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Fordi.jpg

sergbuto

10-30-09, 12:56 AM

I checked WWIAirCombat.com and got a link to the ROF blog. Last month, the total number of copies sold was announced to be over 45,000, with some 20,000 in Russia alone.

In Russia, the price for this game is around 13 Euros. That and also the fact that the game was made by Russian-based dev team explains the number of sales. For the rest of the world the number of sales is not that impressive for a flight simulator.

Schroeder

10-30-09, 08:45 AM

The first DR.1s that were produced and delivered to front line units after the Fokker F.1 was removed did not have windscreens. Later, it became an optional attachment (there was a way that you could screw them on).

Ah,o.k. didnt't know that. I thought they might had forgotten about it.:o

Fincuan

10-30-09, 09:21 AM

What comes to cracking ROF being impossible I refer to claims of Titanic being unsinkable... It will be done and it's just a matter of time. Judging by SH's description above it'll be more difficult than your average copy-protection, but there's no such thing as impossible.

Dowly

10-30-09, 09:40 AM

Let it be, Fin. SH doesnt listen. ;)
If only I could sneak in and take those dreamworld glasses out of his head. :hmmm:

Task Force

10-30-09, 09:53 AM

Hmm... So ROF is gonna get hit by a giant Iceberg...:o (J/j fin)

Looks nice anyway.

Let it be, Fin. SH doesnt listen. ;)
If only I could sneak in and take those dreamworld glasses out of his head. :hmmm:

wow, can I have a one... LOL

Dowly

10-30-09, 10:21 AM

Here yo ugo
http://www.4kraftykidz.com/SillyGlasses.gif

Task Force

10-30-09, 10:26 AM

LOL... (Wouldnt wear them in public...)

Stealth Hunter

10-30-09, 09:59 PM

In Russia, the price for this game is around 13 Euros. That and also the fact that the game was made by Russian-based dev team explains the number of sales. For the rest of the world the number of sales is not that impressive for a flight simulator.

'Course the World War I market for flight sims is also a rather small collective niche. Especially when considering that the last great game of it to come out was Red Baron 2 in the latter half of the 1990s. I mean, one that had a lasting impression upon the community anyway.:up:

Stealth Hunter

10-30-09, 10:14 PM

Let it be, Fin. SH doesnt listen. ;)
If only I could sneak in and take those dreamworld glasses out of his head. :hmmm:

Oh I listen, it's just that you don't understand. The thing that made other systems crackable was that they relied too much upon automatic, electronic validation methods. This one relies upon manual, electronic, and physical validation methods. While the electronic aspect can be cracked (as the torrents demonstrate), the manual aspect is much harder to access- especially when you consider their detection system (that also requires you to be online at all times to check for this kind of pirate activity). True, that specific part is not impossible to crack/avoid, but the physical part is. Unless you've got a valid CD key that an actual person (a Neoqb employee) can validate from a list of ones in circulation, an account on their website, a valid email address, and a valid credit card number, you're not getting in. Being able to get past one or two parts of the anti-piracy system here won't cut it, not by a longshot. And the complexity of the physical part of the process makes it impossible. If somebody got past it, then I can guarantee that they would be considered software geniuses.

To quote a few pirates on the matter (you can Google these quotes to confirm their authenticity):

Abdallah9 at 2009-08-19 04:45 CET:
Need crack to play without conection or register. Crack crak crak! Without crack no play in this game, or pay key!!!

The Dutchman at 2009-08-18 16:14 CET:
Another useless upload........

bigturd at 2009-08-18 16:45 CET:
Worthless without a crack. The game requires you to register online, and be online at all times. Don't waste your time or bandwidth downloading this.

Marklar666 at 2009-08-18 20:11 CET:
you have to activate box version in the same way as download one. sorry guys, you won't play this game for free.

Dowly

10-30-09, 11:19 PM

You'll see. :03:

HunterICX

10-31-09, 04:21 AM

Could this thread go back to the topic?
the crack talk has carried on long enoug and is leaning to go against SUBSIM's policy.

Thanks,
HunterICX

NeonSamurai

11-01-09, 09:09 AM

Without getting into it I have to say also that you are totally wrong SH. If you like I would be happy to explain why everything you mention is irrelevant, in pm's.

This game will likely stay safe not because its protection is unbreakable, but because it is an obscure title.

In my case I will probably continue not to get the game due to said copy protection being a hassle (that and I have a strong dislike for most payware DLC)

Officerpuppy

01-01-10, 11:56 PM

I saw that this game is on sale at D2D, and thought id go through this forum to see mention of this game. But after seeing this thread I've decided maybe I'll pass. DRM and planes for DLC? :hmmm:

If this were a Xbox360 game, i'd expect DLC's that you pay for. But for a PC game? :shifty:

Seeadler

01-02-10, 07:25 AM

I bought this bundle (Sopwith+Dr.1) with the christmas discount, both planes for 8€

Buddahaid

01-03-10, 12:59 PM

In my case I will probably continue not to get the game due to said copy protection being a hassle (that and I have a strong dislike for most payware DLC)

The DRM is not a hassle and takes about as long as logging into SUBSIM. I also don't terribly mind the fee for new aircraft as the models are great. I look at it as cheap when compared to actual models(plastic, etc.) that would have less detail, get dusty, and have to be held in your hand while you run around making engine sounds to fly.

Catfish

01-19-10, 04:33 PM

They're about to drop the online requirement for single mission playing. Maybe they also drop it for online playing :D

Greetings,
Catfish

Schroeder

01-19-10, 04:38 PM

Now this thing might get my interest.:D

Biggles

01-19-10, 05:27 PM

They're making the Fokker D.V.III at the moment. I gotta say, these guys sure doesn't pick the the "common" ones out there.:DL

Stealth Hunter

01-20-10, 06:56 PM

Dude, the D.VIII's been out for a month.

http://riseofflight.com/EN/store/planes/Fokker_DVIII

:up:

Onkel Neal

01-31-10, 05:40 PM

ThePinkSubmarine

02-21-10, 04:27 PM

What do you gents think about Rise of Flight? I'm really sad about the combat flight sim being a dying genre of PC gaming.

Is ROF worth it? I'm still waiting for Oleg Maddox to come out with IL2: Storm of War.

Letum

02-26-10, 03:33 PM

I think I have the server lined out, I may have a little free time, and I am interested in trying out ROF (the DRM debate brought it to my attention, lol). I have an old MS Sidewinder joystick, is that going to be a problem with this game?

RE: Joystick.

I have a large number of sticks and some custom/home built sticks, so I
can speak with some authority here.

If your SideWinder stick uses a gameport interface you may have issues
with newer versions of windows. You may also find that your PC no longer
has a game port!

If if is a forcefeedback stick with a gameport/MIDI interface, you will almost
certainly have limited functionality, but it also may be that it works fine for
you. Getting a new soundcard with a MIDI/game port can help errors that
occur when XP/Vista/7 give some on-board MIDI/Game ports too low a
voltage.

If you SideWinder stick has a USB interface, the it will work fine with all
versions of windows. Same for FFB USB sticks.

Sidewinder sticks are still the most durable about. I have never seen
them lose their center, jitter or have any kind of hardware problem aside
from the wires coming out if abused.
Only the gameport sticks can have software problems, but often these can
be overcome.

The MsSwFFB2(USB) sticks sell for more than they did new these days.

FIREWALL

02-26-10, 03:47 PM

@ Neal... Here's a decent stick at a decent price.
http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Cyborg-Force-Flight-PS27/dp/B00068P3O4/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1267216808&sr=8-13

And tis is a gotta have to get the most out of ANY flight sim.
http://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-Pedals-Simulator-300-111/dp/B0000512IE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1267217056&sr=1-2

Both are compatible with each other. And you won't find them cheaper anywhere else.

And you make 7% off the purchase. :haha:

Letum

02-26-10, 05:52 PM

Any of the sidewinder sticks will beat the cheep Saitek sticks hands-down.
Better (and cheaper) to keep your sidewinder if it is a USB stick.

Of the 2 Saitek sticks I have, both have developed sensor problems. One
no longer centers and the other has lost part of it's range. I salvaged them
for parts long ago. My budget Logitech sticks have also developed similar
problems.
Saitek's more expensive sticks (x52) arn't trouble free after a few years, but
they are acceptable. Just keep your warranty details.

None of my 10+ Sidewinder sticks (of many variants and ages) have ever
developed any problems that couldn't be easily fixed.

I have the CH Pedals as well and have repaired other peoples CH pedals in
the past. They can develop an output jitter, but this is easily fixed. Very
good product.
You can get some material from a carpet shop to stop your rugs slipping about.
This stuff is perfect to stop rudder pedals slipping about on your floor too.
Carpet underlay also works somewhat well for this job.

Of course, almost all sidewinder sticks have a twist rudder built in, so you don't
have to spend money on pedals if they are not important to you.
If you don't plan to buy pedals, make sure you have a twist stick.

Avoid the Saitek pedals. Mechanical and electronic problems that arn't worth fixing.

FIREWALL

02-26-10, 06:33 PM

I have Logitec G940 setup now.

Have had X52 since it came out without a problem.

With my Saitek yoke setup I use Simped pedals.

Neals posts didn't strike me that he wanted to spend to much dinero.

Also I doubt his new computer has a gameport.

Schroeder

02-27-10, 08:23 AM

@Letum

Why do you have 10+ Joysticks if they are all in good condition?:doh:

Buddahaid

02-27-10, 01:17 PM

RE: Joystick.

I have a large number of sticks and some custom/home built sticks, so I
can speak with some authority here.

If your SideWinder stick uses a gameport interface you may have issues
with newer versions of windows. You may also find that your PC no longer
has a game port!

If if is a forcefeedback stick with a gameport/MIDI interface, you will almost
certainly have limited functionality, but it also may be that it works fine for
you. Getting a new soundcard with a MIDI/game port can help errors that
occur when XP/Vista/7 give some on-board MIDI/Game ports too low a
voltage.

If you SideWinder stick has a USB interface, the it will work fine with all
versions of windows. Same for FFB USB sticks.

Sidewinder sticks are still the most durable about. I have never seen
them lose their center, jitter or have any kind of hardware problem aside
from the wires coming out if abused.
Only the gameport sticks can have software problems, but often these can
be overcome.

The MsSwFFB2(USB) sticks sell for more than they did new these days.
And, how do you program the buttons when the software is not compatible with win7 64bit? Newer games will have that built in, but the older ones need the sidewinder software/drivers.