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Onkel Neal
10-22-09, 09:33 PM
Anyone? If so, how? New computer with 7 installed? Upgrade from Vista? Any XP converts to 7?
Arclight
10-22-09, 11:53 PM
I will be moving to 7 from XP, but I'll stick with the RC till it reaches end of life, and then buy... probably Proffesional edition (do clean install). Been using Win7 since beta was released though.
Been using one of the first RCs all this time. Went from XP to 7. Definitely going to buy it when it's been out for sometime. So far been extremely happy with it, not that Vista BS that I had to endure when I tried it. :salute:
Wolfehunter
10-23-09, 10:36 AM
Already have it. :yeah:
Been running RTM since its release
bert8for3
10-24-09, 06:06 AM
Thinking about it (on XP now).
Main pro for me is being able to use more than the 3.25 Gig of ram that XP recognizes.
But concerns (although noting a good many positive reports on Win7) remain:
1. Stability and compatibility with existing progs/drivers etc
2. Will it run sh3? That's fundamental for me, as I expect to be playing sh3 for a while still. Even when sh5 rolls out, chances are I will still play sh3 also pending patches/mods for sh5. Do I have it right that you would have to run Win7 on 32-bit presumably to play sh3, which if I have it right means not more than the 3.25 Gig ram situation anyway? I know there's the XP mode, but I don't know enought about it at this point to figure out if ok to go with Win7.
3. And then other apps anyway, which afaik are all 32-bit.
Hopefully I'm totally wrong about the 32-bit thing, which I've never really understood.
ajrimmer42
10-24-09, 06:19 AM
I've been runnin the 64 bit RC for a while, really pleased with it. I first installed just after it's release but for some reason I found it slowed my PC down, actually to the point where it was unusable, I went back to Xp but told myself i wasn't going to give up on it as I liked it quite a lot. Anyway, a few weeks ago I installed it again and have had no problems whatsoever with it, in fact everythings fast as hell, even my internet seems faster... I'll almost certainly be buying it when the RC ends. It's what Vista should have been.
Hve run RC1 since its release (came from XP) and will buy it when this one reaches EOF :D
CaptainHaplo
10-24-09, 11:38 AM
I have it - but haven't installed yet. Really trying to decide WHICH machine I want to put it on.
Bert - yes 7 will run SH3. The RC's did fine with it.
As long as your not using ungodly old hardware (Like a sounblaster live card) you should not have an issue with drivers.
Just figure out what you need drivers for, check and see if there are any Win7 versions available from the manufacturer.
The only thing I am not confident in with Win7 - the "add on" that supposedly provides 16 bit support with the 64bit version of 7.
Task Force
10-24-09, 11:41 AM
Ill move to 7 when I feel like it... Really depends on how much it will cost, if it cost an arm and a leg, for the 64 bit version... ill wate...
SeaWolf U-57
10-24-09, 04:37 PM
I purchased the upgrade pack and this contained both the 32bit and 64bit disk
and yes it installed and verified so I am using the 64bit version. :up:
Task Force
10-24-09, 04:40 PM
Hmm, the big question, how much will W7 cost...
SeaWolf U-57
10-24-09, 04:46 PM
Take a look here.....http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?page=ProductList&category_oid=-37472&show_all=true
:salute:
Red Heat
10-24-09, 07:29 PM
I have it - but haven't installed yet. Really trying to decide WHICH machine I want to put it on.
Bert - yes 7 will run SH3. The RC's did fine with it.
As long as your not using ungodly old hardware (Like a sounblaster live card) you should not have an issue with drivers.
Just figure out what you need drivers for, check and see if there are any Win7 versions available from the manufacturer.
The only thing I am not confident in with Win7 - the "add on" that supposedly provides 16 bit support with the 64bit version of 7.
Well...if there isnt any kind of problem to run sh3 gwx its a very good start for me, because i want to change from winxp to win7. Another question its about the soundcard...may be it will be a problem to use old soundcards with win7...but if i am using for ex: the last generation of a soundcard the problem remains or not?...sound by hardware still a option or the future is only onboard sound only?
Thanks in advance... :salute:
CaptainHaplo
10-24-09, 08:57 PM
Well onboard sound really has improved in the last 5 years. If your using a Creative Labs board - AKA sounblaster - check here to see if your can use it with Win 7.
http://support.creative.com/kb/showarticle.aspx?sid=61105 (http://support.creative.com/kb/showarticle.aspx?sid=61105)
Onboard will be supported out of the box without question and usually is good enough for the average ganer, but each person has their own important things, so if you feel you get better quality out of a card, go for it.
I do have to say that both SH3 and SH4 had problems with audio "tearing" on my rig with XP. I kept my SB Live card forever only to use the gameport, then finally went USP for the joystick, and out the card came. Still, that is a pretty old card, so no big suprise. I can't recommend if one is worth it or not because I don't use one anymore. If I did alot of audio stuff I probably would want one. Just not my thing. Maybe one of the other folks on here with more knowledge can fill you in on the pro's and cons a little more.
PeriscopeDepth
10-25-09, 01:45 AM
I've played around with it running it on a virtual machine within Linux. It would not let me upgrade my copy of Vista because it doesn't like that I'm not using the Windows boot loader, and I haven't been bothered to fix that yet.
But it does seem like a modest improvement over Vista. I run it in VirtualBox at 512 MB of RAM, and it is usable. The interface is sexier as well. :yeah:
PD
Ping Jockey
10-25-09, 03:44 AM
Did upgrade from Vista ultimate to Win 7 Ultimate. Went very well. But Win 7 doesn't like Starforce so SH3 won't load.:down:
CaptainHaplo
10-25-09, 05:56 PM
Ping - load 1.4 (or 1.5) and it won't matter. CP is removed. Of course - if you want a prepatched version - just update your starforce.
goldorak
10-26-09, 07:59 AM
Anyone? If so, how? New computer with 7 installed? Upgrade from Vista? Any XP converts to 7?
No. 7 is basically an update to Vista.
It has all the shortcomings of Vista and since I hated Vista there is no chance in hell I'll buy 7.
I'll keep using xp32 for the time being, and later on update to xp64.
The Ars Technica review is pretty dead on, 7 is simply Vista SP2 renamed. No more, no less.
I think the big changes, and corrections to the many core mistakes that are still in 7 will hopefully be implemented in Windows 8.
That should be around 2014 just in time for Microsoft to stop supporting xp.
Skybird
10-26-09, 11:18 AM
I would not bet money on Windows 8. As I said in another thread, the future seem to be cloud computing, and no more OS like we used to know them. Google company is on that way since their very beginning as a company.
Reviews also say that 7 is better than Vista: it is slim compared to Vista, and faster, also less compatability issues.
I plan to run XP as long as it is supported or my machine does not break down. I then will go with the medium version of 7, due to it having the XP-emulation (compatability) mode. that should increase my cnaces of not needing to give up old software.
Ping Jockey,
forum rules prohibit me to give you the details, but there are ways to install SH3 from the old discs (the disc is still needed for installation) without needing to install it's Starforce. I assume after so many years, with SH4 out and SH5 coming, it does not matter if I give you this hint. Now, there is Google, and there is you... Don't ask us questions on it.
SeaWolf U-57
10-26-09, 02:56 PM
there is this thread in the SH3 section :hmmm::hmmm:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=157285
goldorak
10-26-09, 03:18 PM
No need to be secretive Skybird, Ubisoft many years ago patched Starforce out of SH III. Heck the budget edition I bought 2 years after the game was released had no protection of any kind. If you have one of the first editions of SH III then just download the official last patch from Ubisoft and you're good to go.
CaptainHaplo
10-26-09, 05:33 PM
Win 7 is NOT Vista Sp2....
Don't know where you got that idea, but its incorrect.
The kernel has been modified (less crap that you can't turn off), networking has been almost entirely reworked, service interdependancies have been streamlined, and 16 bit functionality is GONE. The last alone required serious kernel changes. This of course doesn't even touch the UI enhancements.
You couldn't do that with an SP, unless you want another like XP sp2 - which WAS pretty much a totally new OS in reality.
What shortcomings in Vista do you see that are not present in XP? What "works" in XP that doesn't in Vista or 7?
JSLTIGER
10-26-09, 05:39 PM
Using 7 Pro x64 on my laptop...stepped up from Vista HP x64 on the 22nd (Hooray $29.99 student license). So far the only thing that doesn't like the upgrade is my fingerprint scanner software. I hope ASUS puts out an update (but I'm not holding my breath).
AVGWarhawk
10-26-09, 06:52 PM
Win 7 is NOT Vista Sp2....
Don't know where you got that idea, but its incorrect.
The kernel has been modified (less crap that you can't turn off), networking has been almost entirely reworked, service interdependancies have been streamlined, and 16 bit functionality is GONE. The last alone required serious kernel changes. This of course doesn't even touch the UI enhancements.
You couldn't do that with an SP, unless you want another like XP sp2 - which WAS pretty much a totally new OS in reality.
What shortcomings in Vista do you see that are not present in XP? What "works" in XP that doesn't in Vista or 7?
Verdict: Windows 7 - Like Vista, just a bit easier to use and less annoying
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4277
As it stands now it makes no sense to get Windows7 for a few more gadgets and a kernals. I will keep my $150.00 and continue using Vista. I enjoy Vista. :D
A Definitive Windows 7 vs Vista Performance Comparison.
Most of Win7’s performance improvements clearly come from improved multithreaded/multitasking performance
http://www.hardcore (http://www.hardcoreware.net/windows-7-vs-vista-performance-comparison/)ware.net/windows-7-vs-vista-performance-comparison/
(http://www.hardcoreware.net/windows-7-vs-vista-performance-comparison/)
SeaWolf U-57
10-28-09, 03:14 AM
All I will say as a EX-Vista 32bit user is good riddance to a dam annoying operating system that made doing anything long winded although in all fairness I never had the problems some did.
And hello to Windows 7 64bit version that offers me all the same features as Vista and a whole lot more. and although I am using the 64bit version Windows 7 it runs so much better on my machine opening things faster browsing faster and a much better interface with my documents. I think it is money well spent to upgrade although how it displays SH3 takes some getting use to but I expect someone will come up with a fix soon. I am running the Premium version and even SH3 + wac4.1 runs smother. :up:
kiwi_2005
10-28-09, 09:16 AM
Tried a release back in aug, but will stick with Vista and XP dual setup on main pc. Might think about Win 7 after sp1 comes out.
Wolfehunter
10-28-09, 03:52 PM
All I will say as a EX-Vista 32bit user is good riddance to a dam annoying operating system that made doing anything long winded although in all fairness I never had the problems some did.
And hello to Windows 7 64bit version that offers me all the same features as Vista and a whole lot more. and although I am using the 64bit version Windows 7 it runs so much better on my machine opening things faster browsing faster and a much better interface with my documents. I think it is money well spent to upgrade although how it displays SH3 takes some getting use to but I expect someone will come up with a fix soon. I am running the Premium version and even SH3 + wac4.1 runs smother. :up:Agreed! :rock: 64bit is simply evolution. :yeah:
Anyone? If so, how? New computer with 7 installed? Upgrade from Vista? Any XP converts to 7?
Hey Neal,
I have been using 7 RC for quite a few months. It runs great. No problems with drivers, no freezing at all, even though I have 40+ programs installed. It is almost as fast as XP. I will be upgrading to the full version soon. Go to newegg.com and you can get the "system builders version" for $109. Not an upgrade, the full version. You have to choose between the 32 bit or 64bit. I would suggest the 64bit especially if you have more then 3gigs of memory. Howver you can pay for the full retail version which includes both.
GL Neal.
Skybird
10-31-09, 05:36 AM
No need to be secretive Skybird, Ubisoft many years ago patched Starforce out of SH III. Heck the budget edition I bought 2 years after the game was released had no protection of any kind. If you have one of the first editions of SH III then just download the official last patch from Ubisoft and you're good to go.
Hm, I just was on the UBI site, and the latest patch they list for SH3 in the patch download section is 1.4b from 2005. Reading the feature list, there is no mentioning of kicking SF. I also seem to remember that 1.4b was the last official patch I was using back then.
Is it an unofficial patch (which then again would make the deletion of SF illegal)?
goldorak
10-31-09, 05:43 AM
Hm, I just was on the UBI site, and the latest patch they list for SH3 in the patch download section is 1.4b from 2005. Reading the feature list, there is no mentioning of kicking SF. I also seem to remember that 1.4b was the last official patch I was using back then.
Is it an unofficial patch (which then again would make the deletion of SF illegal)?
No it is an official patch.
My version of SH III is patched to 1.4b and has NO STARFORCE nor any other kind of protection. And it is original.
Ubisoft is one of the few publishers that on many games patches the copy protection out after some years (not for all of its games).
But in the case of SH III, Chessmaster X (which I own) and Lock-on yes.
:D
Skybird
10-31-09, 06:50 AM
Well, if it is a patch that is installed after game installation, it means that it deletes SF again after the game has been installed, and so it is not really an option for me anyway, since I subscribe to the idea that it is better to install SH3 in a way where SF does not even touch the HD during installation, instead of letting it in and then needing to hope that kicking it out has functioned properly.
goldorak
10-31-09, 07:14 AM
Well, if it is a patch that is installed after game installation, it means that it deletes SF again after the game has been installed, and so it is not really an option for me anyway, since I subscribe to the idea that it is better to install SH3 in a way where SF does not even touch the HD during installation, instead of letting it in and then needing to hope that kicking it out has functioned properly.
Actually even if the game has starforce, it is not enabled untill the first time you execute the program. So you can install SH III and then directly the patch. Job done no starforce.
I had the same problem with XIII century death or glory (it came bundled with my graphics card). I installed the game but didn't run it. Patched it with the official patch that removed starforce. Bingo no more starforce and I can enjoy the game. :)
Skybird
10-31-09, 08:30 AM
I see, that is in principle what the "alternative exe" without SF does, too. Installing the game, but not rebooting, but immediately replacing the exe, then installing 1.4 - no SF ever gets installed. Also was compatible with GWX.
Long time no see, think I have to play a couple of sessions with SH3 again.
Spike88
11-09-09, 11:10 AM
I'm running Windows 7 Ultimate. I like it, its definitely a step up from Vista.
I haven't tried gaming with it though.
PeriscopeDepth
11-10-09, 03:18 PM
I am running 7 as my primary OS now after I fried my bootloader. Not really a performance increase over Vista when it comes to gaming, but the OS itself is far beyond Vista.
PD
Castout
11-10-09, 08:32 PM
I'm happy with my Vista. I'll wait at least a year before upgrading to 7.
I'll use 7 with my new rig I think.:D
Raptor1
11-11-09, 03:52 PM
I'm happy with my Vista.
Blasphemy!~
nikimcbee
11-11-09, 10:20 PM
Blasphemy!~
:haha:
Vista (I have 64bit vista):D doesn't bother me much anymore, but it still does some aggrevating things; It's always updating then it suddenly shuts down to update:damn:
AVGWarhawk
11-12-09, 10:48 AM
Blasphemy!~
I happy with Vista also. My rig hums right along. :up:
It's always updating then it suddenly shuts down to update:damn:Can't you turn auto update off?:-? Hope Win 7 doesn't have that bug!!
Wolfehunter
11-12-09, 10:52 PM
Can't you turn auto update off?:-? Hope Win 7 doesn't have that bug!!Windows 7 you can turn it off and it stays off untill you say otherwise.
Excellent, I like the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it!", I update only when needed.:yep:
Hylander_1314
11-14-09, 02:56 AM
:haha:
Vista (I have 64bit vista):D doesn't bother me much anymore, but it still does some aggrevating things; It's always updating then it suddenly shuts down to update:damn:
Go into the security center, and change the automatic update setting to "never". Then you can update when you're ready to, and let it do it's thing. I always set it to "Let me choose" the updates, so it gives me a list of things, and I can decide on what's loaded in so I'm not adding unnecessary software from M$.
Hey Neal,
I have been using 7 RC for quite a few months. It runs great. No problems with drivers, no freezing at all, even though I have 40+ programs installed. It is almost as fast as XP. I will be upgrading to the full version soon. Go to newegg.com and you can get the "system builders version" for $109. Not an upgrade, the full version. You have to choose between the 32 bit or 64bit. I would suggest the 64bit especially if you have more then 3gigs of memory. Howver you can pay for the full retail version which includes both.
GL Neal.
Neal,
The 'Upgrade' version has both (32bit & 64bit) cds'.
TDK1044
11-16-09, 08:07 AM
New 7 Laptop on its way. :)
She-Wolf
11-20-09, 09:09 AM
I have it and am just about to post a thread to pick brains on any problems that might arise when installing SH3 GWX, having given a decent interval for others to find the pitfalls:up:....
Arclight
02-08-10, 08:13 AM
About to order Ultimate retail edition... €270,-... that's $370,- at the current rate. :-?
Guess that new graphicscard will have to wait. :lol: :nope:
goldorak
02-08-10, 08:28 AM
About to order Ultimate retail edition... €270,-... that's $370,- at the current rate. :-?
Guess that new graphicscard will have to wait. :lol: :nope:
This price is INSANE. Thats why I will keep on using XP until its not supported anymore (around 2014) and then I'll just go on to linux.
Its absurd that the price of Windows represents in some cases around 50% of the cost of a nice computer.
Arclight
02-08-10, 11:44 AM
I can build a complete system for €300... not a good one, but complete non the less. :-?
Thankfully found a company that sells for €220,- / $300,-
Here's the thing; they send me an e-mail confirming my order, immediately followed by 1 confirming the payment... but I haven't payed yet. :lol:
Should I wait to see if it arrives, or should I just transfer the money? And if I wait and it comes, will it turn around and bite me on the ass? :hmmm:
nycoroner05
03-12-10, 05:51 PM
Anyone? If so, how? New computer with 7 installed? Upgrade from Vista? Any XP converts to 7?
runs great and SH 3, 4 and 5 play great!
Went from XP to both vista and then 7. All installed fine and all games run great
Spotter
03-15-10, 02:19 AM
runs great and SH 3, 4 and 5 play great!
Went from XP to both vista and then 7. All installed fine and all games run great
That doesn't exactly answer the question of getting the game to run in WIN7 :timeout:
I have a new AMD quad with 6gb RAM and the latest ATI video card of 1gb and DX10... installed my original CD SH3 per Neal's instructions, patched her up and BOOM! "your drivers appear out of date" then ka-BOOM game refuses to load.
Checked video drivers to find the message lied. I am up to date on all Win7 patches and updates.
Quadruple checked I installed SH3 correctly (I did) and retired twice more, with the "Ka-BOOM" results (Note; I did not try to make the Ka-BOOM on purpose) Un-installed SH3, then noticed my brand new top of the line uber gaming PC running weirdly slow. (uh-oh)
Okay, let's do a roll back three days and everything will be fine. Not! The rollback failed to roll back, and the screen stopped at total black after the Win7 4 color balls rezzed to the MS logo. Total black? WTF over... I always thought I'd see this BSOD.
Anyway, in my ramblings I'll make it shorter... PC's at PC in patient care now. And my finger hesitates over the fire button on ordering SH4 and/or SH5. (Yes, Uncle Neal, I am relegating the SH3 CD to my coffee coaster pile.) :wah:
My question, which I know should be at the top, but I am on a typing roll so... Question is: Are SH4 and SH5 as big a pain to install on Win7?
Thanks for putting up with the rant.
PS I'm running a lot of legacy XP games fine; UFO: Aftershock, Afterlight, Spore, the FALLOUT trilogy and so on... This is the first game I could not get to run in Win7, and it is a sad thing my PC porked out after the uninstall and rollback.
Arclight
03-15-10, 02:37 AM
Haven't had any issues to date, neither with 4 or 5. Just install and it works as far as I'm aware.
JSLTIGER
03-15-10, 08:21 AM
Arclight, you do know that there are OEM copies of 7 that are cheaper, right? Also, you may not need to shell out for Ultimate...most of the time, HP or Pro will be sufficient to meet your needs.
Arclight
03-15-10, 08:49 AM
OEM means the copy is tied to your machine, I can carry retail over to new systems. At least that's how I understood it. :hmmm:
Was going for Pro, but Ultimate was only 20,- more. Difference small enough to not care about, so just went with Ultimate. ;)
CaptainHaplo
03-15-10, 05:30 PM
Spotter - welcome aboard!
Sh3 actually runs fine on Win7. The "driver out of date" message your getting is actually one created by the SH3 starforce drivers - nasty drm that can and did break a few dvd devices. Still just use the starforce removal tool to get rid of that - and use the steps provided here by subsim and sanctioned by Ubi to bypass the copy protection.
The wonderful mods for SH3 - including GWX - install just fine after that.
Edit - SH4 also installs with no problems on my windows 7 machine. I cannot speak to SH5 personally - as I don't have the game. However, a friend does have it on his 7 machine and he never indicated any problems.
Spotter
03-22-10, 08:09 AM
Spotter - welcome aboard!
Edit - SH4 also installs with no problems on my windows 7 machine. I cannot speak to SH5 personally - as I don't have the game. However, a friend does have it on his 7 machine and he never indicated any problems.
:salute:
Thanks Haplo, for the greeting and the info. I agree that Starforce thing is a bit of a pain, and can't thank you guys enough for all the support here.
However, I'm going to order SH4 for the Pacific side of the fight. Installing SH5 in a few minutes.
Here's to many tonnes under the belt :yeah:
SteamWake
03-22-10, 10:16 AM
Spotter - welcome aboard!
Sh3 actually runs fine on Win7. The "driver out of date" message your getting is actually one created by the SH3 starforce drivers - nasty drm that can and did break a few dvd devices. Still just use the starforce removal tool to get rid of that - and use the steps provided here by subsim and sanctioned by Ubi to bypass the copy protection.
The wonderful mods for SH3 - including GWX - install just fine after that.
Edit - SH4 also installs with no problems on my windows 7 machine. I cannot speak to SH5 personally - as I don't have the game. However, a friend does have it on his 7 machine and he never indicated any problems.
Another option is to obtain the latest version of starforce (Gasp).
Onkel Neal
03-27-10, 10:38 AM
Neal,
The 'Upgrade' version has both (32bit & 64bit) cds'.
Thanks, mate.
Well, Win7 on my new post-motorcycle crash laptop is proving to be pretty nice. No real testing, just first impressions.
Konovalov
03-27-10, 11:51 AM
I have absolutely no regrets moving from Windows XP Home to Windows 7 Home Premium. I love the way that MS decided to supply both 32bit and 64bit disks in the package. I actually pre-ordered my copy of Win7 on Amazon at the time and only paid £53.00 for a full retail version. Then it sat on the bookshelf shelf until early January this year when I started having some problems with my trusty XP. Hence this gave me the kick up the bum to install Windows 7. Only regret was that I should have done so earlier at the end of October 2009 when Windows 7 was released. XP is hsitory for me. :DL
Feuer Frei!
03-30-10, 06:55 AM
I got Win 7 64-bit about a month ago now with my beast of a new rig and am not looking back at all to Win XP.....
i thought i would but everything runs so smoothly, all my apps/utils i had on xp run seamlessly with no issues.
All games have installed and run as they should,
Win 7 rocks!
Good job Microsoft. :rock:
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