Password Compromised.

[FIREWALL]

While checking out a thread I saw a post I didn't make.

I think I know the Who and will come up with a new password and a good a$$kicking for that WHO. :arrgh!:

This pisses me off as I use the same password for other Wesites and will have to change them too ! :damn:

[SteamWake]

Relax if you go look it was edited by a moderator.

They dont need a password to do so.

[HunterICX]

@Firewall: your post -
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1188600&postcount=2

has been modified by a GT moderator, it was of bad taste.

HunterICX

[AVGWarhawk]

DUDE!

[FIREWALL]

I was never PM'd for that action.

And Neal makes a point of doing that.

I don't even to Neal, give authority to "change" the wording or makeup a new post.

It should have just been removed and a pm sent.

I would like to be PM'D with a copy of the alledged post I made.

This isn't over. It caused me alot of hassle changing passwords.

[AVGWarhawk]

It shows it was modified by a moderator at the bottom...fine print. See it? It gives a reason. Moderators do not need to PM if a change is made. I changed words to what I wanted that was more fitting. Why does this all seem new to you?

[FIREWALL]

DUDE!

Where I come from calling someone "DUDE" would get you your arse kicked good.

Here it's like calling someone an A-HOLE.

That's why I don't use it. And it jumped out at me on SteamWakes thread.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, you can not expect everyone to understand local acroynms or verbage that is understandable only to that location. In Baltimore, dude certainly does not mean arsehole. Deep breaths!

[FIREWALL]

@ AVG You might want to look at post #10.

If my bladeles fan was in bad taste....

btw. The reason I use a #3 font is because I can't read the fine print.

A simple pm would have save all alot of grief.

ps. Neal,WEBSTER, and at least another moderator have ALL pm'd me with Demerit 5pts., clean it up, or "You said What!!!.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, I guess it was not done this time. After all, moderators are here to serve you. :03: Here is a thought, next time do not post something that might warrant a response for a moderator. Problem solved. :salute: Really, Firewall, looks to me you went off without checking it out. Compromising a password at a forum is not on the top of the 'to do list' for hackers. Look at the bright side, it is advised to change your password about once a month anyway. Now you are covered for this month.

[geetrue]

Now that the problem has been solved with the password ...

Can we all take a guess at what the password is: beer, homer, simpson, catalinaisfinewithme, subsimforever, dude (east coast version only of course) :woot:

[FIREWALL]

I will close with that I believe a Moderator has the Right and Duty to Edit: foul or demeaning language or just delete the post. If in their opinion it's offensive.

NOT erase the post and type in their opinion and makeing it appear it was my statement to other members coming later to the thread.

That post by Moderator had MY avatar beside it.

At least one other member didn't see the small print at the bottom of the post either.

I'll discuss this with Neal.

[Skybird]

Firewall,

the post was edited and was marked by the mod that he had edited it, and why. Sometimes we do it the short way without starting a big business over it. It depends on the details of the "offence".

Now calm down.

Because, you know, forum rules also say something on another detail: that if you have an issue with one of the mods, you should not challenge him in public, but contact him in private. that includes that you do not lecture a mod in public or undermine his authority in public.

Xabba used to do a damn fine job here. I think he is one of the very best mods we ever had for GT forum. He gets the balance quite right. Whatever there is, solve it in PMs with him.

And if you think about it all, I'm sure you will sooner or later recognize that it all is not worth the fuss. BTW, replacing your codewords regularly is a good practice. I do it twice a year, no matter if there was an incident or not. ;)

Now relax, calm down, and smile again. Life's still nice. :)

[Dowly]

Drama drama, I like. :D

First of all, I have to say. Firewall, this is an international forum, you propably shouldnt take offence if someone calls you 'dude'. Jebus, in some country it might be offensive to use the word 'you', we just cant know it here with so many nationalities. So chill!

Second, I do remember reading the supposed post made by FW, and if it wasnt edited after that, I dont recall it being very harsh or anything (it also can be that I just down remember it right). :hmmm:

Third, moderators/Neal can edit your posts anyway they like, even to say "I make love to Santa" if they want, it is Neal's site, there's very little you can do about it. You did accept the terms of yaadiyaa when you signed up, diidnt you? It might not separate each and every thing, but it basically says you agree to play with the forum/site's rules. So cut the darn drama, ok? :03:

[NeonSamurai]

We sometimes edit posts where we change text in a post due to what we consider inappropriate content, but do not issue a warning or infraction (those come with a pm) as we do not feel that one is warranted. Unfortunately the system isn't designed to clearly indicate where we made alterations (this isn't always a bad thing though as it can save potential embarrassment for members) but it is clearly shown that an edit was made to the post and who did the editing and we typically leave a reason why we made an edit. Its not uncommon not to send a pm in those cases as the reason for the edit is usual clear enough.

[Reece]

I can understand FIREWALL getting upset, as He points out people will glance over the post and what they read they will assume was written by that person/avatar, most would not look at the fine print, I don't usually, assuming that most of the lower print to be signature or "last post edited ..." etc.:hmmm:
Maybe a case of misunderstanding, but He still does have a point IMO.:yep:

[GoldenRivet]

I can understand FIREWALL getting upset, as He points out people will glance over the post and what they read they will assume was written by that person/avatar, most would not look at the fine print, I don't usually, assuming that most of the lower print to be signature or "last post edited ..." etc.:hmmm:
Maybe a case of misunderstanding, but He still does have a point IMO.:yep:

full agreement here.

i didnt even see the fine print the first time i read that... i just thought it odd that firewall would say "Dude, a family died" in response to what seemed like a perfectly legitimate OP.:doh:

[XabbaRus]

OK I have pmed Firewall.

Since this thread is going to go nowhere I am going to close it.

[Onkel Neal]

I would like to reopen this thread just for a bit to add some comments. Neither I nor the moderators feel it is our job to be the "taste police", but occasionally, we will step in if the example is pretty strong. Usually I rely on the rest of the members to dress someone down if they make a post in bad taste.

I can see where Firewall is coming from, he saw some different text in his post and freaked out. He didn't notice the tiny "edited by" tagline at the bottom. Lol, I can see that happening to me :dead:

As a rule, when I edit some comments in a post, I try to add the phrasing
EDIT: That was a bit out off line. --NS
in order to avoid confusion. I do not think I have covered that in the moderator's guidelines, which is where I am at fault. I will fix that.

We all have to keep in mind that Xabba is moderating the GT forum alone, sort of like Gary Cooper. I think he's doing a fine job. This is the place where we all like to express strong opinions,so the moderation is a little more common here.

Neal

[MothBalls]

EDIT: That was a bit out off line. --NS
in order to avoid confusion. I do not think I have covered that in the moderator's guidelines, which is where I am at fault. I will fix that.

We all have to keep in mind that Xabba is moderating the GT forum alone, sort of like Gary Cooper. I think he's doing a fine job. This is the place where we all like to express strong opinions,so the moderation is a little more common here.

Neal

I think Xabba is doing a great job. No doubt about that. In this one instance though, a minor error was made and not that big of a deal. My opinion, the error was that insted of changing the text, he should have deleted it and left "EDIT: That was a bit out off line. " as the only text in the post. It's one thing to moderate (I saw the original comment and it rightly should have been moderated) but quite another to change the content of someones' post.


EDIT: I'm sure he did not mean to "change the content of FW's post", he was adding his reason for editing it. But it was not obvious that those were the moderator's words, at first. -- NS

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[OneToughHerring]

Bah, what about the gazillion times that I've been in the brig for saying something like "Oh, I disagree with torturing Iraqi kids".

[Letum]

Bah, what about the gazillion times that I've been in the brig for saying something like "Oh, I disagree with torturing Iraqi kids".


Not quite those words you used I'm guessing.

[OneToughHerring]

Not quite those words you used I'm guessing.

Actually not that far from those words. I'm kind of expecting that even that message will be reported to Xabba and as a result of it will be yet another brig call for me. You see the moderating here works on the 'squaeler'-principle, you hit the little exclamation mark - button and give your reason. I guess I could 'squael' more as well but it's not really in my character.

[MothBalls]

Actually not that far from those words. I'm kind of expecting that even that message will be reported to Xabba and as a result of it will be yet another brig call for me. You see the moderating here works on the 'squaeler'-principle, you hit the little exclamation mark - button and give your reason. I guess I could 'squael' more as well but it's not really in my character.

Actually I think the moderation here is better than any forum I've ever been on. It's always fair and I've never seen anyone in the brig that didn't rightly deserve it. I think the only ones who have a problem with it are the ones that have been moderated, or put in the brig. If anything, they under-moderate to a certain degree, letting some people go too far.

[OneToughHerring]

Actually I think the moderation here is better than any forum I've ever been on. It's always fair and I've never seen anyone in the brig that didn't rightly deserve it. I think the only ones who have a problem with it are the ones that have been moderated, or put in the brig. If anything, they under-moderate to a certain degree, letting some people go too far.

Yes but it's still based on the squaeler system. Meaning that a post that violates the rules but isn't reported will go unnoticed. IMO that's not good moderating. Also the rules aren't enforced in a way that isn't open for favouritism. Also, not sure about this, a post that gets more then one 'squael' might be more likely to get a notice regardless of content of said message.

[Skybird]

Xabba manages to act as consistent (and determined were needed) as Takeda did, but he keeps an even lower profile (were possible). He hardly ever violated the limits of his authority. We really shouldn't piss him so much that we finally lose him. He would be hard to be replaced in GT.

I would wish that Neal has not reopened this thread, because discussions on a given moderator's pros and cons and long debates about his motives do not help his job nor does it help in maintaining his authority. Debates like this are exactly what the forum rule fobidding to jump on mods in public were meant to prevent.

I think there should be as few rules as the situation allows, Neal. But the few rules one has - should be followed and/or enforced with consistency. ;)

[CaptainHaplo]

The people involved are communicating via PM. They will work it out. We are not privy to that conversation, and so none of us has the full story. I agree with Skybird, lets let the people involved hash it out, file it away and move forward.

I second the request for the thread to be closed.

[John Channing]

Yes but it's still based on the squaeler system. Meaning that a post that violates the rules but isn't reported will go unnoticed. IMO that's not good moderating. Also the rules aren't enforced in a way that isn't open for favouritism. Also, not sure about this, a post that gets more then one 'squael' might be more likely to get a notice regardless of content of said message.


As of 0/17/09 8:05 ET, on this site, there are 72,543 threads, 1,064,735 posts, and roughly 36,777 people posting.

Do you really think a half dozen or so moderators can be on top of everything?

Neal is right. When someone steps out of line it is the responsibility of the members of this forum to put them straight (without crossing the line themselves). If that doesn't or won't work then the absolute best thing to do is report the post and let the moderators handle it.

I have always thought that a moderator is a lot like a janitor. Your job is to keep things neat and tidy and once in a while to take out the trash.

JCC

[Onkel Neal]

Yes but it's still based on the squaeler system. Meaning that a post that violates the rules but isn't reported will go unnoticed. IMO that's not good moderating. Also the rules aren't enforced in a way that isn't open for favouritism. Also, not sure about this, a post that gets more then one 'squael' might be more likely to get a notice regardless of content of said message.

That's one theory. I don't see it that way, but you are entitled to your opinion. Not sure how you are measuring the number of posts reported that receive action vs. the number of posts reported that do not...

Xabba manages to act as consistent (and determined were needed) as Takeda did, but he keeps an even lower profile (were possible). He hardly ever violated the limits of his authority. We really shouldn't piss him so much that we finally lose him. He would be hard to be replaced in GT.

I would wish that Neal has not reopened this thread, because discussions on a given moderator's pros and cons and long debates about his motives do not help his job nor does it help in maintaining his authority. Debates like this are exactly what the forum rule fobidding to jump on mods in public were meant to prevent.

I think there should be as few rules as the situation allows, Neal. But the few rules one has - should be followed and/or enforced with consistency. ;)

Agreed, I think Xabba is sincere and does a really good job.

I only opened the thread because I wanted to make that followup comment, about the editing script, and I always felt it was a little unfair for me to enter a closed thread, make a comment, and not allow anyone else to state their piece.

The people involved are communicating via PM. They will work it out. We are not privy to that conversation, and so none of us has the full story. I agree with Skybird, lets let the people involved hash it out, file it away and move forward.

I second the request for the thread to be closed.


Ok, will do. :salute: