View Full Version : This ruined a game for me
Onkel Neal
10-07-09, 07:13 PM
One of my favorite games, Battlefield 1942/Vietnam/BF2. I get into it every couple of months, for several days. I noticed a year or so ago that there were some supernaturally good players, I could start shooting them and they would turn and blast me dead. I figured there was a cheat or hack, but never really checked until tonight. (http://www.bf2hacksdownloads.com/)
No point in playing that game anymore. :x
Nickolas
10-07-09, 07:36 PM
its really sad that some people actually have fun or believe themselves to be, and i quote "1337", by cheating.
the video about the "long range pistol kills" is specially sad, being that they used the song "The Game", and i don't think that its just a nice sense of humor or irony. :nope:
I have played BF2 for years and have seen a cheater once. The best method to avoid cheaters in BF2 is to stay out of Karkand & Jalabad those two maps are like the dust & dust2 of Counter-Strike, cheater's heavens. :yep:
EDIT: Ow and you arent really helping the issue by posting links to BF2hack sites. :O:
Onkel Neal
10-07-09, 08:29 PM
Mate, if Onkel Neal can find it, 10,000,000 other people already know :haha:
Mate, if Onkel Neal can find it, 10,000,000 other people already know :haha:
Aye, true that. :)
NeonSamurai
10-07-09, 09:03 PM
This and general attitude/behaviour in pub games is what made me stop playing any public or pickup games. League/Ladder play is usually much more satisfying, but finding a good group to play with can be a major pain.
Of course though there is the opposite, where you get accused of cheating, when you are just really good at the game, had that happen often enough when I was younger. I will say though there is nothing more satisfying then beating the crap out of a cheater (assuming they are not using some sort of lag/invulnerability hack)
HunterICX
10-08-09, 03:55 AM
I've seen people using wallhacks and aimbots in games and still manage to suck horrible.
and nothing is more fun then kicking a Cheater's butt in the game.
they start to spit out foul language, their cheating becomes very obvious and mostly leave the server in rage or kicked by the server admin if present.
in BF2 on a BF2 forum there was one cheater I just can't forget that guy...who was so proud of reaching a new rank in the game and posted a screenshot when he got promoted...he posted that screenshot in public for all to see.
besides the message that he was promoted it revealed his whole cheaters package :rotfl2:(obvious: radar hack and all enemies are highlighted)
he quikly saw what he posted and tried to hide it, but even that was just a mayor FAIL.
his quik attempt to hide his cheats:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2398/screen0024ax.jpg
the real screenshot:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4268/screen0022rh.jpg
(I'm supried these screenshots are still up after more then 3 years)
HunterICX
Arclight
10-08-09, 05:55 AM
Pathetic. :nope:
Can't say I suffered much at the hands of cheaters, but then I never play online. This would be one of the reasons. The average disposition of "gamers", I use that term loosely here, is just saddening.
I'll only play multiplayer with people I know.
danlisa
10-08-09, 05:59 AM
I'll only play multiplayer with people I know.
^Best solution.
Lag Switchers, Glitchers and Save hacks all contribute to a titles Online MP slowly dieing off.
The power resides with the developers to stamp it out but TBH after a short amount of time, they just don't care anymore.
Sorry to be a voice out of the "chorus(?)" but i play BF2 online practically daily, since 3-4 months now, and NEVER had problems of this sort (never had to suspect someone of cheating). But this is not even the point... actually I don't care if someone cheats !
People that cheat do themselves a bad service in first place, and theyr game will result as a damn poor experience... they will never feel they "gained" anything, they will remain poor retards.
Most of the servers I use have some competent admins around. A person that CLEARLY cheats, WILL be banned. If a person cheats cleverly, well then again that doesn't disturb me so much after all (as said before, bad for himself).
Still I hope that it is possible to ban a cheater FOREVER from the BF2 servers when there is proof of him cheating. Since there is a log-in to do, why shouldn't this be possible... That would be nasty :rotfl2:
[EDIT] I'm not sure if doing the log-in, some sort of serial number of your version is read too (but this could prob. be corrected with another fix), but just killing a profile means to kill all his career :D
About cheaters in BF2 I just found this: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1065038
(http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1065038)
Someone considers a cheat even the fact of sitting into a building hahaha
Wolfehunter
10-08-09, 08:28 AM
I've given up on BF games ages ago because of the bots, hacking and cheaters. Its so lame that I bust my butt to get honest rewards and these guys are getting the easy deal. :nope:
Onkel Neal
10-08-09, 08:34 AM
Sorry to be a voice out of the "chorus(?)" but i play BF2 online practically daily, since 3-4 months now, and NEVER had problems of this sort (never had to suspect someone of cheating). But this is not even the point... actually I don't care if someone cheats !
People that cheat do themselves a bad service in first place, and theyr game will result as a damn poor experience... they will never feel they "gained" anything, they will remain poor retards.
Still I hope that it is possible to ban a cheater FOREVER from the BF2 servers when there is proof of him cheating. Since there is a log-in to do, why shouldn't this be possible... That would be nasty :rotfl2:
[EDIT] I'm not sure if doing the log-in, some sort of serial number of your version is read too (but this could prob. be corrected with another fix), but just killing a profile means to kill all his career :D
Well, while the cheater may have a "poor experience", he sure keeps doing it :) It ruins the fun to be shot dead by some guy who bunny hops all over the place.
Which server do you play on with competent admins ? Maybe I need to try a different server.
Also, what version are you running? I just upgraded with the patch 1.41 but it reads 1.129.65-797.0 in the top right of the main menu...:timeout:
About cheaters in BF2 I just found this: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1065038
(http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1065038)
Someone considers a cheat even the fact of sitting into a building hahaha
Yeah, in that thread, this guys sums it up nicely:
I always wonder about the ones I unload a full clip into and they'll kill me with one shot. Or the ones that always seem to know exactly where you are all the time..
Then there's the godamn bunny hoppers which I consider just as bad as cheaters.
Yes, I've noticed that in BF2, heck, in the BF series, the hit system always seemed to be a bit crooked, in 1942 it took several hits to take a man down, frustrating when you have a rifle and he has an MG, and in BF2 I've found myself in situations where I've emptied half a clip into a MEC soldier only to be 'incapacitated' in the next shot.
However, I've found this outcome to be slightly less obvious in modded games such as FH2 where weapon lethality is higher. If you spot a soldier and you put a rifle round into him at medium range and if it connects, there's a good chance that he will fall down.
It's not foolproof though, any look at the FH2 video with wittering will remember the incident when Neil emptied a mag into a Jerry and then got blasted.
Teamwork on the other hand, can be hard to find, but when it all comes together, such as the incident on FH2 when I spotted a Panther and guided our guys into whack it before it overran our base.
Still, cheaters are a real pain in the arse... :damn:
Neal, 1.5 is the newest patch. :03:
@Hunter
Hehe, I remember a similar case, someone new in some clan posted a screenshot to the other clan members, not realising that it showed he was cheating. :haha:
My advice for BF2 would be to find servers that are run abit more "professionally" i.e. gaming sites that host servers. For example, I play pretty much only at the Danish TV2 servers where hackers will be quickly reported to admins who then reports them forward and sooner than later the inviduals are enjoying an global ban. :yep:
EDIT: Here's the vid I mention to Hunter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZgY1a6B_tI
HunterICX
10-08-09, 10:03 AM
EDIT: Here's the vid I mention to Hunter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZgY1a6B_tI
:haha: ROFL!
Love it how he lies till the end...:har:
HunterICX
Well, while the cheater may have a "poor experience", he sure keeps doing it :) It ruins the fun to be shot dead by some guy who bunny hops all over the place.
Which server do you play on with competent admins ? Maybe I need to try a different server.
Also, what version are you running? I just upgraded with the patch 1.41 but it reads 1.129.65-797.0 in the top right of the main menu...:timeout:
As someone said in the other forum, the impression is that ranked servers are better.
Names that come to mind:
BF ranked server #1
BF ranked server #2
Kifferstubchen Deutschland
... others
One thing i dislike a lot is the servers with addictional rules (don't do that, don't do this, blah blah). No rules servers are the ones i personally prefer.
Yeah, in that thread, this guys sums it up nicely:
I always wonder about the ones I unload a full clip into and they'll kill me with one shot. Or the ones that always seem to know exactly where you are all the time..
Then there's the godamn bunny hoppers which I consider just as bad as cheaters.
But someone answered that this might be given by a "lucky shot" , head shot. I guess bunny hoppers are those that jump all around when fired at ? Yes this happens all the time, and sometimes i do that too, but just when i play crappy... the adrenaline results on hits on the poor spacebar hahah.
FIREWALL
10-08-09, 10:22 AM
Sorry to hear about this Neal. Many times I've toyed with the idea of playing something online.
It's posts like this that keep me solo.
Cheaters only cheat themselves. They'll never know if their really any good at the game.
Neal... Let us know if that server thingy has better results.
NeonSamurai
10-08-09, 11:42 AM
What annoys me the the most are the cheaters who do it to piss everyone else off. The ones that get a real kick out of wrecking things for everyone else around them. These guys are similar to team killers and the like.
As for the emptying a clip into someone and them not dying, it can happen often where the person wasn't cheating, but a lag spike on your or his side caused the game to miss report his position, so while you think you are shooting at him, as far as the server is concerned you are actually shooting air. Lag is always is very frustrating, especially when you do everything right and still fail just because of lag or a game glitch (particularly when playing a match that counts)
Of course though this is the basis of the lag/invulnerability hacks.
Like i said though I'm not a big fan of public gaming due to the general lack of team play, organization, etc, and all the stupidity, bad behavior and so on. After playing the team ladders for many years its very hard to go back to pubbing. This is probably why I generally haven't played any pub games in the last 6 years or so unless I'm with friends.
Fincuan
10-08-09, 12:14 PM
Haha, nice vid Dowly :yeah:
Spike88
10-08-09, 03:42 PM
One thing i dislike a lot is the servers with addictional rules (don't do that, don't do this, blah blah). No rules servers are the ones i personally prefer.
I know what you're talking about. I found a pretty decent server and had played a couple rounds on it. In the begining of one of the rounds I choose to run for Commander. Since I wasn't expecting to get the position I hoped into the gunner position of a friendly tank. I am then made Commander. The server then tells me that its against the rules to be in a vehicle as commander. So I hit E to get out of the tank, before I could walk two feet I'm kicked from the server with the following reason:
"Admin decision. Do not be in vehicles as commander."
:down:
Aw terrible.. I recently started playing BF2 before the Subsim meet and really enjoyed it though I figured I just sucked and got killed a lot. Now I know the truth :nope:
Why do people feel they have to cheat? I don't even cheat in off-line games, just no glory in it.
Task Force
10-08-09, 08:03 PM
Lol... this is why I only play on private servers.
Used to get a lot of grief on Medal of Honor Spearhead servers for 'hacking'.... hehe when you've played that game for as long as I have you get to know the maps and choke points etc. It's understandable when you kill the same guy in the same spot for the tenth time that he calls Haxor!!!
However, my clan at the time used to play in several leagues and tournaments and for a bunch of guys who were mostly over 30 it was quite a serious business. The servers we used to run were mostly free from hackers due to the almost constant presence of the admin with the almighty banhammer at his fingertips :salute:
Plus the type of games we used to host - objective maps for the most part - didn't tend to attract kiddies looking for easy scores.
It's a pity that Spearhead, as a gaming community, does not have the numbers it used to, so the servers are limited to freeze tag and heavily modded weapon damage gameplay.
I've slowly gone over to Call of Duty 2, which had a horrifying reputation for cheaters when it first came out. There's some good realism servers out there and for the most part cheaters are easy to spot. It's a good game and the objective modes bring back some of the team spirit that made MOH SH such a joy to play.
I blame EA and Medal of Honor Airborne for the death of the MOH franchise - that game had such potential; it looked great and had some beautiful maps, but they gave it a couple of rubbishy patches and a clunky control interface and refused to support the game any further after it had been released for a couple of months. Online gameplay was where that title could have excelled, but they released it stillborn: No developer kit or SDK mapping tools. Essentially I can sum it up as a console game ported over to the pc in order to make money. It was the last EA game I will ever buy.
In that event it never lived long enough for anyone to hack it :dead:
I have to laugh looking back on some of the cheaters arguing on our SH servers though, swearing that they didn't just wallhack or use an aimbot, or start 'land-sharking' when half a dozen guys who have played the game for 6+ years are watching them do it in spectator mode. Most of them were logged by the servers and their id's given over to the cheat police, to be distributed to many of the clan and league servers operating back then.
I guess there's only a handful of COD2 servers that I play (badly) on:
<82ndAB> WRM(B3)
|Brothers|-RealismWRM(B3)
=(E|S|R)=long range sniper only
and occasionally {UN}Europe United Noobs!! (our clan used to get booted and banned from their Americas Army server for playing as a team and kicking them about the map - petty really) still a few cheaters on their COD2 servers though and it's a bit of a fragg-fest in all honesty, but fun when there's not too many players on.
Perhaps it's because I'm a bit older, or more likely, because most of my clan mates have quit playing regularly. I just don't enjoy it as much as I used to - freelancing on most games like that doesn't have the same bite to it. Kind of like here at subsim; it feels all homey and familiar and you can always have a laugh or a chat with people you know.
Lol all of these one night stands with random WW2 FPS game servers just don't cut it like a meaningful relationship with a game that gives as much as it takes :oops: :o hahaha!
I've always thought that online gaming communities and forums would be a good resource for anyone wishing to study group dynamics and social grouping, you can observe a microcosm of life on a more controlled scale, cheaters and all :rotfl2:
I know what you're talking about. I found a pretty decent server and had played a couple rounds on it. In the begining of one of the rounds I choose to run for Commander. Since I wasn't expecting to get the position I hoped into the gunner position of a friendly tank. I am then made Commander. The server then tells me that its against the rules to be in a vehicle as commander. So I hit E to get out of the tank, before I could walk two feet I'm kicked from the server with the following reason:
"Admin decision. Do not be in vehicles as commander."
:down:
Well i don't understand why a commander had to sit into a vehicle. Commander is a full-time job, if I see the commander going into action i vote to mutiny against him.
If i see a commander taking up a vehicle, (denying the use to the faction), I also tend to vote to mutiny against him. But this doesn't mean there has to be an addictional rule to prevent this, the commander is (IMO) simply doing an error, nothing more nothing less.
Once I've been kicked from a good server while commanding and winning with the reason "learn to be a commander" lol. But after all it was the morning after some excessive party so I said to myself: "OK, I see your point" :haha:
Onkel Neal
10-09-09, 10:38 AM
Sorry to be a voice out of the "chorus(?)" but i play BF2 online practically daily, since 3-4 months now, and NEVER had problems of this sort (never had to suspect someone of cheating). But this is not even the point... actually I don't care if someone cheats !
Yes, then you have not been shot dead 20 times in a row from a guy on the other side of the map.
Which server do you play on? And what's your nick, I'll join up with you.
Neal, what's your nick you use? I could propably have a look at times with gamemonitor or something to see if you play and then come kick yer arse. :O:
Onkel Neal
10-09-09, 03:34 PM
You'll never guess... Subsim.
And knowing you, you'll come fully equiped with the latest aimbots!
That hurts, Neal. I would NEVER use aimbot. :stare:
I prefer color coding, nothing's more fun than shooting pink players. :hmmm:
I use luck, it beats cheats anyday.
Luck usually works against me. :nope:
Onkel Neal
10-09-09, 09:54 PM
That hurts, Neal. I would NEVER use aimbot. :stare:
I prefer color coding, nothing's more fun than shooting pink players. :hmmm:
Haha, you would do it because you know how clueless I am, and you would dazzle me. :cool: "Neal's frustrated by hacks, I'll show him hacks!"
"Neal's frustrated by hacks, I'll show him hacks!"
Haha! :haha:
Nah, it doesnt matter what color you are when I'm sighting you thru my scope. :O: (oh dear, that sounded abit racist :o)
Task Force
10-09-09, 11:52 PM
lol... ferret snipers...
NeonSamurai
10-10-09, 01:23 AM
Hmm wouldn't it be racist the other way around? The way you said it your giving everyone an equal chance to get shot in the head regardless of what color they are :DL
HunterICX
10-10-09, 03:16 AM
lol... ferret snipers...
Deadly.....
HunterICX
Hmm wouldn't it be racist the other way around? The way you said it your giving everyone an equal chance to get shot in the head regardless of what color they are :DL
Ow yeah. Right you are. :DL
Deadly.....
HunterICX
Yes, very. When I've picked my target, I think that "That's the one who stole my last beer!". Or if it's someone who is clearly trying to pin-point me (usually in the end of the rounds) I'll think that he has stolen an 12pack from me and I go Jack the Ripper on his arse. :hmmm:
Yes, then you have not been shot dead 20 times in a row from a guy on the other side of the map.
Which server do you play on? And what's your nick, I'll join up with you.
OK, every now and then I suffer blooooody defeats, being killed 30 times and killing 0 times, and yes some hardware went down the trashcan that way.
About the servers: I only play on ranked servers. I don't think it's a matter of witch server anyway. My nick is Nexus_74: if you look at the stats you'll see how crappy they are. (kill/death ratio ~1/2.5)
:D
Dimitrius07
10-11-09, 04:45 PM
One of my favorite games, Battlefield 1942/Vietnam/BF2. I get into it every couple of months, for several days. I noticed a year or so ago that there were some supernaturally good players, I could start shooting them and they would turn and blast me dead. I figured there was a cheat or hack, but never really checked until tonight. (http://www.bf2hacksdownloads.com/)
No point in playing that game anymore. :x
Thise is the fate of the most popular online games if you ask me. Bots, hacks and other nasty staff make the game boring and pointless :down:.
Aint't this war after all ?
Life itself is full of cheats... so why wonder ?
Thise is the fate of the most popular online games if you ask me. Bots, hacks and other nasty staff make the game boring and pointless :down:.
You put it down quite negative if i might say...
IF and only IF you seech for fairness in the virtual world as a desperate attempt to escape the reality, you're doing a weak path...............
I don't see how I could pretend the virtual world to be more "fair" than the real world -> that would be an issue !!!
getting more back to the topic, BF2:
Yes it's ture, it's frustrating to die.
I have been into "real" military actions. Actually quite virtual themselves, because the war area we were sent to, turned out to be no war area :x
Into action, I would love to have trusthful people around me, people with four eyes.
Even then, the battlefield is a complex and quickly developing situation. You can be killed on the spot anytime, because it is always unlickely that the enemy is fully calculable.
BF2 is just that. A lot of means put at the disposal of your faction, manned by people like you and me.
Dimitrius07
10-13-09, 12:34 PM
Offtopic
IF and only IF you seech for fairness in the virtual world as a desperate attempt to escape the reality, you're doing a weak path.
I`am only seak the most important thing in the game, fun.:DL Hacks,bots and some stuff mention in thise thread are not fun ;) atleast for me. In any case you have some point, i guest is a human nature :03:.
RedChico
10-13-09, 02:17 PM
EDIT: Here's the vid I mention to Hunter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZgY1a6B_tI
I think i know that voice..... hmmm in IL2 multi. and i was a admin of a major server. :D
Arclight
10-17-09, 02:31 PM
:haha::har:
My brother just tells me he has a global ban on COD4 for "wallhacking" or something. :yeah:
Sorry to laugh, but he got what he deserved. That bunny-hopping brat. :shifty:
* Now i feel bad, darn conscience. He says he didn't hack at all; would really suck to be banned for no reason after sinking so much time into it. :(
Eyebiter
10-23-09, 07:20 PM
Stopped playing BF2 online when hackers figured out how to rain a continuous stream of UAV's from the sky. Would lag up and eventually crash the server.
Ilpalazzo
10-24-09, 04:45 AM
Stopped playing BF2 online when hackers figured out how to rain a continuous stream of UAV's from the sky. Would lag up and eventually crash the server.
I sometimes see a never ending stream of jeeps raining from the sky. Quite the spectacle.
The only thing that ever really consistently gets me to quit is when I keep getting stuck with the horrible team (we've all been on that team!). Nothing makes me question why I play Battlefield 2 more than when I'm stuck respawning on an aircraft carrier that just keeps getting the **** blown out of it. After a while I either quit or sit back and watch the team scramble once again for the chopper and sure enough get blown up. lol it's an awfully pathetic sight.
ps. I hate to admit this, but I love it when some griefer/idiot pilot loads up a chopper and then pilots everybody to their doom. Sometimes into a mountain, sometimes out in the middle of the ocean, and sometimes right back into the rest of the team. It's friggin timeless fun:har: even if I'm a passenger.
Nothing makes me question why I play Battlefield 2 more than when I'm stuck respawning on an aircraft carrier that just keeps getting the **** blown out of it.
Ah. Ever though that maybe it's your own fault? Dont spawn on the carrier, or if there's no other spawnpoint, spawn and take a boat or swim. People standing on the carrier, crying how they get their arses kicked are just as pathetic as the one's bombing the carrier. :nope:
Thunder
10-24-09, 02:47 PM
We got some servers up n running here(we don't play on the international servers as the international bandwidth is costly, and local is cheap).
the guys playing all are regulars(and our gaming community is small) and seem to know each other personally, (admins play most nights) so hackers are quickly found out and..."uninvited".
So if the ping ain't too bad, try sgs in the server search.
The servers are accessible from international sources.
Ilpalazzo
10-25-09, 03:26 AM
Ah. Ever though that maybe it's your own fault? Dont spawn on the carrier, or if there's no other spawnpoint, spawn and take a boat or swim. People standing on the carrier, crying how they get their arses kicked are just as pathetic as the one's bombing the carrier. :nope:
Swimming is annoying, but it has helped to grab a point or two. Even if just for a short while. It sucks though when a sniper just happens to notice you and some guys swimming to shore.
I'm certainly not the best player or anything, but sometimes I'm on a team so hopeless that the enemy simply has everything, even our own turf locked down. I remember this happening a lot on wake. I spawn on the island with the arty and I'm getting bombed from enemy aircraft or picked off by snipers and tanks or worse, the enemy decided to make camp there and destroy the arty and anybody spawning. The boats, even the ones from the carrier, are completely unable to make it to the mainland without being destroyed (mostly by enemy aircraft). Our own aircraft are either bombed where they spawn or swiftly taken out by better pilots. Sure I might get lucky and manage to grab a point with a few other guys for a brief moment, but it just never seems to go anywhere when the enemy team is way better.
Also, I like to play the big servers (i like that little war feeling with so many people) so it gets pretty easy for a better team to lock the map down.
It really does wind up being a hopeless situation. I usually prefer to blame the pilots. The aircraft in that game can give you hell. A team with a really good pilot or two can do wonders. I wish the AA defenses were better...
When the game turns into this (really it only ever happens for me sometimes on that 24/7 wake server), the only entertainment I get is in trying to foil the enemy rambo squads that try to infiltrate the carrier.
joeljansson
10-26-09, 06:43 AM
I've given up on BF games ages ago because of the bots, hacking and cheaters. Its so lame that I bust my butt to get honest rewards and these guys are getting the easy deal. :nope:
i started playing cod 4 5 and now 6 for all those reasons and it was the best thing ive done with those games
HunterICX
10-26-09, 07:06 AM
I've noticed with games like BF2 which records your Status and achievements brings out the worst in gamers.
HunterICX
Kapitan_Phillips
10-26-09, 08:09 AM
I agree with the point of playing online with people you know. I sometimes get together with friends on Red Orchestra, and we organise as realistic a game as possible. Instead of everyone running around aimlessly, we set up fronts and send out squads to scout. Its a bit like a sniper server. Far more fun than getting owned by a 14 year old boy who's been playing since he was concieved.
I've noticed with games like BF2 which records your Status and achievements brings out the worst in gamers.
HunterICX
Yeh, that's true. Fortunately, BF2 has some maps that are too big for a cheater's attention span, so they just stick to the citymaps mainly. :yep:
Ilpalazzo
10-26-09, 11:16 PM
I've noticed with games like BF2 which records your Status and achievements brings out the worst in gamers.
HunterICX
Hear, Hear!
I hate seeing people do things they normally wouldn't do just because they want the medal/achievement. Especially when it means they aren't helping the team because of it.
ETR3(SS)
10-27-09, 09:56 AM
I used to play back while i was in. A bunch of us off the boat would all get home at the same time and log onto whatever server we wanted. Usually when we joined that was the most teamwork that server had seen all day. :haha: I got to be pretty good at dive bombing and glide bombing and would usually take out arty, radar, and UAV in a few minutes. I decided that I had had enough when I made Gunney and all the stupid server rules came out. No bombing strategic assets ticked me off. That and the TKing for vehicles, or a noob gets into whatever vehicle just to waste it.
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