What no olympics thread?

[nikimcbee]

Of course, the Obamas and Jarrett have a little experience with elections, too. The president’s campaign prized itself on getting to know voters and finding out what mattered to them. By the time election day came, voters felt as if they knew Obama and that he truly cared about their interests.

I wonder if the IOC knows about acorns Skillz? ...or chicago's history of dead voting?

Good luck other countries in "getting the vote out.":haha::haha:

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news?slug=ap-2016bids-chicago&prov=ap&type=lgns

If Chicago can get the olympics, they need to hold it on the south side.:haha::haha::haha:

[SteamWake]

Well I was going to post something but the other news about chicago kept getting in the way.

Personally though I think Obama stepping into this is the worst thing that could happen to the olympic committie and Chicago's hope for holding them there.

Im trying to remember has any other president shilled for the olympics before?

To me its not really a federal goverment issue.

[nikimcbee]

Well I was going to post something but the other news about chicago kept getting in the way.

Personally though I think Obama stepping into this is the worst thing that could happen to the olympic committie and Chicago's hope for holding them there.

Im trying to remember has any other president shilled for the olympics before?

To me its not really a federal goverment issue.


You can take the politician out of chicago, but you can't take chicago out of the politician. He's just bringin' home da bacon to the home district.:doh:

[Carotio]

I don't think there ever was Olympic Games in South America, right? :hmmm:

So though it may be far from safe in Rio for tourists and athletes when it comes to crime, which is one of the critics against Rio, I don't think it's so much different than any other place. One can always be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Never a guarentee for that. And you never know if it would not have a positive effect on even the poor people living in the suburbs of Rio. Like creation of jobs etc...
So if I was to decide, I would vote for Rio de Janeiro. :yeah:

Besides all the cr4p there is about the voting procedure, which takes place in Copenhagen this week - yeah, luckily it was not at the same time as our subsim meet - is the worst part of it. There's way too much corruption, too much nagging and backtalking involved in all this final decision process. :nope:

But still we all follow the stories about and from the Olympics because of the history behind it throughout all those years. They do have a positive element of binding the nations of the world together too. :woot:

[SteamWake]

But still we all follow the stories about and from the Olympics because of the history behind it throughout all those years. They do have a positive element of binding the nations of the world together too. :woot:

Well that and tons of cash and jobs etc.

[NealT]

Personally I hope they give it to Omaha, Nebraska...

[CastleBravo]

I would suggest the IOC give the 2016 olympics to Chicago lest they be accused of racism for opposing the Dear Leader. :D

[Platapus]

I would rather stick some other dumb country with the expense of the olympics.

I believe that LA is still the only US city that was able to successfully (from a financial standpoint) host the olympics.

I don't think the olympics is a money maker in the US any more. Viewership is down, at least in my circle. With all the cheating and scandals, it just is not as fun to watch as it used to be when I was a kid.

[CastleBravo]

I would rather stick some other dumb country with the expense of the olympics.

I believe that LA is still the only US city that was able to successfully (from a financial standpoint) host the olympics.

I don't think the olympics is a money maker in the US any more. Viewership is down, at least in my circle. With all the cheating and scandals, it just is not as fun to watch as it used to be when I was a kid.

Agreed. The olympics lost much of its meaning/charm when Jimmy Carter boycotted the summer games in Moscow 1980, inserting politics into the athletics. It has never recovered in the US.

[Carotio]

Well, round one and two has just eliminated Chicago first and Tokyo second.
A bit surprising... :o

But my favorite, Rio, is still in the game...
Ooooouuuuuuu..... this is exiting...:woot:

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, round one and two has just eliminated Chicago first and Tokyo second.
A bit surprising... :o

But my favorite, Rio, is still in the game...
Ooooouuuuuuu..... this is exiting...:woot:

The Ego Has Landed! Obama could not get it done. Oprah could not get it done. Michael Jordan should have gone and made the pitch.

[GoldenRivet]

all i can say is that its pretty classless for Obama to try and "push" for Chicago as the next olympics site.

The place is pretty well a slum by anyone's standards... most of it anyhow.

most all of my travels to Chicago in my aviation career have pretty much confirmed to me that the place is a zoo... and the only thing it lacks is a prison fence to designate the city limits.

you might as well host the olympics in the sewer.

at least the rats wont rob you.

[CastleBravo]

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[Dowly]

:har::har::har:

[SteamWake]

Well thats a couple mill of taxpayer money down the tubes :nope:

Hope they enjoyed their trip.... er sacrifice.

Oh... LOL did you see the CNN headline "Micheal steals the show" or something like that. Right on CNN way to go. :up:

[FIREWALL]

I don't watch the Olys any more.

After the China one I, think their fixed.

[Carotio]

The former Danish IOC member thinks that Obama should have made a longer stay than just 5 hours.

Well, maybe, maybe not. Who really knows?

I don't think it would have hurt Chicago if Obama would have stayed for a couple of days, but really matter is: the cities themselves.
It's the cities, which are candidates, not the countries or state leaders.

Rio had the advantage that the Olympics has never been in South America before, and I really think this is what made the difference. And since the majority of the IOC members voted for Rio, that is a triumph, which none of the three other candidates could compete against.
So I see no reason for hard feelings or deep investigations of what went wrong. It was just meant to be.

I for one think it is great that it will be in Rio. :D

I only regret one thing: I believed in Rio, so I should have made a few bets... :haha:

[SteamWake]

I don't watch the Olys any more.

After the China one I, think their fixed.

You know for a little while there I thought Barry might be sucessful in his bid due to the high level of corruption associated with the Olys. Thought maybe he would fit right in.

[nikimcbee]

The former Danish IOC member thinks that Obama should have made a longer stay than just 5 hours.

:haha:

How about staying for 3.5 years?:hmmm::yeah::haha: But I guess Denmark's taxes are high enough.
Well, good for Rio:salute:. They have a crime problem too (the Favellas?) the slums where the police won't even go into. I don't know if they have a corruption problem like Chicago does.:D Maybe this means obama's charm has finally wore off?:hmmm: I digress...

My funny Chicago story is: My "ex" wanted to move to Chicago, (she wanted to live in a big city. She's from Moscow) Well, we took a road trip to Chicago and she just loved it:nope:. Well, she kept going on, on how we should move here, so I had to put an end to that.:hmmm:
Right around twilight, I found the scummiest part of town and drove through:D. We couldn't get out of there fast enough and back on the North side.:haha:
Problem solved.:yeah:
But just think, if we moved there, I could hang out with 1480:D.

[Aramike]

Agreed. The olympics lost much of its meaning/charm when Jimmy Carter boycotted the summer games in Moscow 1980, inserting politics into the athletics. It has never recovered in the US.That's one of the rare Jimmy Carter moves I support.

In any case, I'm kind of shocked Chicago didn't get the games. You'd think that with all the corruption in Chicago, the IOC would feel right at home! :03:

[Carotio]

Politics was also involved in 1916, 1940 and 1944, when the games were cancelled because of the two world wars.
Moscow was "cancelled" or rather boycutted by many, because the Soviet Union had just started the invasion of Afghanistan.
The USA is still a nation in war, more or less. Not against another nation, but still having soldiers on foreign soil. You never know if this fact has influenced the IOC members too.
This is the Olympics of modern time. Difficult to completely seperate from politics.
Not like the Olympics of the antique, when all the Greek city states, put their wars to side, made a cease-fire and celebrated the sports in peace and harmony for several hundred years in the valley below Mount Olympia in central Greece...

If it lasted hundred years back then, it may very well last just as long in our times or maybe even longer. So you never know if it will one day be held in YOUR city. Unless you live in a desert tent in an oasis in the middle of Sahara... :O:

[Aramike]

Politics was also involved in 1916, 1940 and 1944, when the games were cancelled because of the two world wars.
Moscow was "cancelled" or rather boycutted by many, because the Soviet Union had just started the invasion of Afghanistan.
The USA is still a nation in war, more or less. Not against another nation, but still having soldiers on foreign soil. You never know if this fact has influenced the IOC members too.
This is the Olympics of modern time. Difficult to completely seperate from politics.
Not like the Olympics of the antique, when all the Greek city states, put their wars to side, made a cease-fire and celebrated the sports in peace and harmony for several hundred years in the valley below Mount Olympia in central Greece...

If it lasted hundred years back then, it may very well last just as long in our times or maybe even longer. So you never know if it will one day be held in YOUR city. Unless you live in a desert tent in an oasis in the middle of Sahara... :O:Yeah, I have no idea why anyone would think that the Olympics are NOT political. With the monies involved and the built-in international stage, the Olympics are inherently political.

Besides, if they are not political, no one bothered to tell the Palestinians in 1972 ... well before Carter cancelled US participation in the games.

[Skybird]

Olympics is a little bit sportsmanship, and much more politics and nationalistic sentiment.

But before anything else it is professional big business - and by that the very olympic idea is led ad absurdum.

Which means there are no olympic games worth the title. To me, today it is one act amongst many other acts forming the international show business, and not different than any other sunday evening stage show. That's also one of the reasons why I do not care about doping anymore, and just want equal chances by legalising doping all together. Genetic doping and what else they have started you cannot control anymore anyway. If there are idiots willing to risk their health and life for their five minutes of fame, for heaven's sake let them - we must not feel concerned as long as we get well-entertained. Panem et circensis, you know. The hero on the podest is the hero in us all.

The olympic idea is as dead as dead can be.

[August]

The USA is still a nation in war, more or less. Not against another nation, but still having soldiers on foreign soil.

Actually not counting embassy guards, the US has had soldiers stationed on foreign soil since the beginning of the Spanish American war.

[Dowly]

Actually not counting embassy guards, the US has had soldiers stationed on foreign soil since the beginning of the Spanish American war.

You know what he means.

This is something special at subsim, especially in GT. Whenever someone posts something some here seem to rip the post apart and search for the smallest of excuse to answer it in a way that has almost nothing to do with the original post. Nitpickers heaven this is. :yep:

EDIT: Ow, dont mean you in specific August in the latter part, so dont get mad at me, ok? :)

[nikimcbee]

You know what he means.

This is something special at subsim, especially in GT. Whenever someone posts something some here seem to rip the post apart and search for the smallest of excuse to answer it in a way that has almost nothing to do with the original post. Nitpickers heaven this is. :yep:

EDIT: Ow, dont mean you in specific August in the latter part, so dont get mad at me, ok? :)

Why would you say that?
Oh, btw, you mis-spelled "don't":haha::haha::haha:

Just kiddin':D

[Tribesman]

After the complete mess in Atlanta it wasn't very likely the US would get another go at it so soon.

[AVGWarhawk]

You know what he means.

This is something special at subsim, especially in GT. Whenever someone posts something some here seem to rip the post apart and search for the smallest of excuse to answer it in a way that has almost nothing to do with the original post. Nitpickers heaven this is. :yep:

EDIT: Ow, dont mean you in specific August in the latter part, so dont get mad at me, ok? :)

Have some soup and calm down. :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

After the complete mess in Atlanta it wasn't very likely the US would get another go at it so soon.

Yeah, we looked great huh?

[Platapus]

I hope that Rio will work out for the Olympics.

Hard to believe that Rio '16 will be the first time any South American country has hosted the Olympics.

Good for them.

[Platapus]

Trivia question:

At one time the Olympics were supposed to be held in Chicago but weren't.

Why? and where were the Olympics held instead?

[Tribesman]

Yeah, we looked great huh?
Accomodation was crap and transport was an absolute joke.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, there are a lot of Chicago Olympics 2016 t-shirts going for 1/2 price. :03:

[Sea Demon]

I guess this means that the IOC is a racist organization. They obviously want Obama to fail simply because he is black. :)

[AngusJS]

Why are conservatives so happy that America doesn't get to host the Olympics? Rush and Beck could barely contain their joy. They just want to see Obama fail no matter what?

That is really, really petty.

[mookiemookie]

Why are conservatives so happy that America doesn't get to host the Olympics? Rush and Beck could barely contain their joy. They just want to see Obama fail no matter what?

That is really, really petty.

This.

[Platapus]

Perhaps because Chicago is not a good spot for the Olympics and also because hosting the Olympics is often a very costly operation which ends up costing the taxpayers a lot of money?

Not everything is about Obama. :nope:

[Sea Demon]

Why are conservatives so happy that America doesn't get to host the Olympics? Rush and Beck could barely contain their joy. They just want to see Obama fail no matter what?

That is really, really petty.

Well, I'm not happy about where the Olympics will be happening. I couldn't care less about any of that. Personally, I'm laughing about the whole matter because Obama's presidency (according to liberals last fall) was supposed to "restore" respect and admiration to the USA. And I knew that was utter BS. Obama apparently believed that BS as well as he carted off to Europe thinking his presence there would seal the deal, and he would return triumphantly with his Olympics trophy in hand for Chicago. And ouch.....he flopped hard. As such, it's so apparent that his presidency garners no respect or admiration for the USA as believed.

In fact, the way this plays out, it absolutely shows that the USA is garnering less respect now with a weak, naive, and tragically inexperienced president like Obama in the White House. This is not cause for celebration at all. But it does make Obama, and his water carriers in general look like fools for believing what was an utter fallacy to begin with. That is what I enjoy watching. The Olympics are not the issue here for me at all. It's their arrogance I enjoy seeing cut down to size. We were hated under Bush, but we were at least respected. Now we're hated and made a mockery of. Great...what a combo.

I would like to see Obama succeed in the war in Afghanistan. But that remains in doubt as he's bumbling that effort totally with no strategy or vision. And no real committment as his generals seem to hint at. I'd like to see him successful in economic policy, but he is a statist, big government leftist who has no apparent knowledge of business incentive or growth. And the numbers aren't lying right now. Obama's failing us hard economically.

The real thing I see that's petty, is while we have troops in Afghanistan, and we have an economy in recession, the President is over in Europe, wasting taxpayer dollars lobbying for the Olympics in Chicago. Obviously he's greasing the palms of political friends from his "hometown". In addition, petty is Democrats in Congress voting for war in Iraq, then immediately doing everything in their power to stifle the effort because the sitting President was a Republican. Up to and including comparing our soldiers to Nazi's and other such nonsense.

I'm hoping some of you liberals see this situation here for what it is. Although my hopes in that are very slim. This failure further erodes the influence of the Office of the POTUS. And liberals voted believing the results would be the opposite. Goes to show, even when you guys win...you lose. Unfortunately you drag us down with you.

[Sea Demon]

Perhaps because Chicago is not a good spot for the Olympics and also because hosting the Olympics is often a very costly operation which ends up costing the taxpayers a lot of money?

Not everything is about Obama. :nope:

True, but it did become about him once he injected himself into something not requiring Presidential intervention. Something he seems to have a problem with. And wasted alot of taxpayer dollars doing it. And Obama obviously disagrees with your assessment regarding Chicago as the locale. He seemed to think it would be a great spot.

It didn't have to be about the President. He made it about him. And so people will discuss it.

[MothBalls]

Given a choice, if I go to see the Olympics, I'd much rather go to Rio than Chicago. I'm glad they got it, happy for them. I hope they do a good job with it.


Well, I'm not happy about where the Olympics will be happening. I couldn't care less about any of that.
Then why did you post in this thread? Just another opportunity to slam someone maybe?


Personally, I'm laughing about the whole matter because Obama's presidency

And' we're all so proud of our last President, now aren't we.


(according to liberals last fall) was supposed to "restore" respect and admiration to the USA....... it's so apparent that his presidency garners no respect or admiration for the USA as believed.

Couldn't have anything to do with the fact we invaded another country for no good reason, and our own system of greed has caused worldwide econimc crisis.... Nah. This all happened right after the last election. Before that, the world loved us. Really they did, Rush said so.

That is what I enjoy watching. The Olympics are not the issue here for me at all.
Just the opportunity to blame a failure on someone is an issue in itself?


I would like to see Obama succeed in the war in Afghanistan. But that remains in doubt as he's bumbling that effort totally with no strategy or vision.

Unlike the outstanding strategy and vision that took us into Iraq, and led the war in Afghanistan since 2001. Now it's all Obama's fault because he hasn't cleaned up this mess in less than 1 year. I just love this thinking.


Up to and including comparing our soldiers to Nazi's and other such nonsense.

<ALAAAAAAAARRRRMMMM.... Godwin's Law has been invoked, thread nullified.


I'm hoping some of you liberals see this situation here for what it is.

Some do. The current President is having to play out the worst hand ever dealt to a President in history. This all didn't start in November 2008, it all existed by then. Every item you're bitching about is a legacy item. Now your mad because the mess isn't over yet. Well Bubbah, it's going to take a while to mop up all this crap left behind.


Goes to show, even when you guys win...you lose. Unfortunately you drag us down with you.
Not that any of the dragging down didn't happen over the last eight years, now did it.


Every time I read crapola like this, I get this mental image of;

someone in a mullet
sitting in a garage sale lazy boy
pile of empty beer cans next to bare feet
tank top
unshaven
beer gut from hell
14 yellow teeth
TV tuned to wrestling or Roller Derby
covered with issues of Solder of Fortune
and Guns and Ammo
wife with perpetual rollers
in a Wal-mart bathrobe
pink fuzzy slippers
20 year old multicolored pickup outside
tuned to AM radio
knob ducktaped to tune in Rush only
on blocks
with a full gun rack
in the yard that hasn't been mowed in years
except for the well worn path to the mailbox
which is checked daily for;
unpaid tax notices
food stamps
unemployment check
welfare check
the "get government grants catalog"
orderad at 2;00am on a weekday
found in an informercial

and both sitting inside telling each other that Obama has ruined my country.

[Aramike]

Couldn't have anything to do with the fact we invaded another country for no good reason, and our own system of greed has caused worldwide econimc crisis.... Nah.Wow, Michael Moore ... didn't know you posted here! Can I have your autograph?Some do. The current President is having to play out the worst hand ever dealt to a President in history. Really? Are you serious? If that is your perspective on history, you sure your ranting and raving lunacy of a list isn't really simply autobiographical?

Ever hear of someone named Roosevelt, you know, who took office in the midst of THE Great Depression?

Seriously, maybe Obama could actually get something done if you could let go of his crotch, please.Every time I read crapola like this, I get this mental image of;

someone in a mullet
sitting in a garage sale lazy boy
pile of empty beer cans next to bare feet
tank top
unshaven
beer gut from hell
14 yellow teeth
TV tuned to wrestling or Roller Derby
covered with issues of Solder of Fortune
and Guns and Ammo
wife with perpetual rollers
in a Wal-mart bathrobe
pink fuzzy slippers
20 year old multicolored pickup outside
tuned to AM radio
knob ducktaped to tune in Rush only
on blocks
with a full gun rack
in the yard that hasn't been mowed in years
except for the well worn path to the mailbox
which is checked daily for;
unpaid tax notices
food stamps
unemployment check
welfare check
the "get government grants catalog"
orderad at 2;00am on a weekday
found in an informercial

and both sitting inside telling each other that Obama has ruined my country. Liberal elitism at its finest.

Don't agree with the leftists? You're just trailer-trash lacking any education or sense of logical reasoning. I mean, we all know that leftists are the smart ones - you know, people who construct their arguments out of how they WANT the world to work versus how it actually does are definitely superior...

Everytime I read crapola like the end of your post, I get this mental image of someone working at an ACORN office attempting to "help" a hooker and pimp import underage girls for sex.

Yeah, that's a pretty stupid image to get, right? Kind of like yours.

[MothBalls]

Liberal elitism at its finestWho said I was a liberal? I don't have any party affiliation, I'm not left or right. I'm just an American, watching my country be torn apart from the inside. We don't need to be attacked, we're doing a fine job of destroying it ourselves.

My point is, things are what they are. Doesn't mean I'm going to run out with blind hatred and spit on every move Obama makes. Maybe if all us "Americans", left, right, middle, whatever, start working together for common goals we might accomplish something.

I don't agree with many things Obama is doing. But he is my President, and this is my country. I'm going to do my part to help it, not hurt it.


<couldn't refute any of the other points I made? Just picked the easy ones I see. You only heard what you wanted and skipped the truths.>

[Tribesman]

True, but it did become about him once he injected himself into something not requiring Presidential intervention.
You omit that he was already involved before he became President, and that he stepped back from that involvement once elected and only renewed it when America became the only country bidding that didn't have its leader pushing for the bid.

Ever hear of someone named Roosevelt, you know, who took office in the midst of THE Great Depression?

Roosevelt didn't take office in the middle of a economic disaster and two seriously screwed up military campaigns while having to threaten one nut that they can't do anything about and pretending to threaten another nut though did he.

[Aramike]

Who said I was a liberal? I don't have any party affiliation, I'm not left or right. Is this a joke?

Liberalism and party affiliations are two different things, by the way. But your comment on our "system of greed" is CLEARLY liberal.I'm just an American, watching my country be torn apart from the inside. We don't need to be attacked, we're doing a fine job of destroying it ourselves.Well, I agree there ... except I don't see the conservatives doing so. Rather, I see Obama sycophants such as yourself making excuses and otherwise accepting blunder after blunder, which is empowering our national rift, as it were.My point is, things are what they are. Doesn't mean I'm going to run out with blind hatred and spit on every move Obama makes. That's good for you. In fact, I feel the same way.

However, if what you said was true and Obama was dealt the toughest hand ever given to a president (although that's not even close), why the hell was he in Copenhagen rather than working on more important issues?Maybe if all us "Americans", left, right, middle, whatever, start working together for common goals we might accomplish something.That would be great, but the problem with your statement is that we all don't share "common goals". In fact, Obama's goals are turning out to be far left of what the common American wants.I don't agree with many things Obama is doing. But he is my President, and this is my country. I'm going to do my part to help it, not hurt it.That's hilarious. So when the lefties were protesting the moves of Bush, that's "helping" but when conservatives protest Obama, that's hurting the country?

Right.<couldn't refute any of the other points I made? Just picked the easy ones I see. You only heard what you wanted and skipped the truths.> LOL! Heard what I wanted? Actually, I simply read what YOU wrote. If it isn't what you meant, than going forward I suggest you restrict yourself to statements reflecting your actual meanings.

Yes, I skipped over other parts of your post - parts that either don't concern me or don't interest me - and commented on the "easy ones" (kind of wondering why you wrote them if they were so easy to refute).

If there's a particular point related to the points I was countering with, that you'd like me to comment on, let me know. I'll refute that as well, if it's something I disagree with.

[Aramike]

Roosevelt didn't take office in the middle of a economic disaster and two seriously screwed up military campaigns while having to threaten one nut that they can't do anything about and pretending to threaten another nut though did he. I would suggest reading up a little bit about the economic and international climate Roosevelt inherited in 1932.

Obama's challenges aren't even on the same scale.

And, let's not forget that Obama comes into office with his party having had control of both houses of congress for the previous two years (including one that he was a member of).

[Sea Demon]

Who said I was a liberal? I don't have any party affiliation, I'm not left or right. I'm just an American, watching my country be torn apart from the inside. We don't need to be attacked, we're doing a fine job of destroying it ourselves.

Some do. The current President is having to play out the worst hand ever dealt to a President in history. This all didn't start in November 2008, it all existed by then. Every item you're bitching about is a legacy item. Now your mad because the mess isn't over yet. Well Bubbah, it's going to take a while to mop up all this crap left behind.



I've seen your posts. You are a shill for Democrats in almost everything you post. The fact is, the Obama administration has taken a national deficit, and made it 4 times worse. And apparently, he isn't done yet with increasing the national deficit. The way he and the Democrats are currently going, it's never going to be mopped up. He's going in the wrong direction. And nothing you can post will correct it. The previous Presidential administration was a godsend compared to this mess currently in the making. And at least we had a modus of respect. And a President focused on National security. Yes, we were hated, but this administration is an utter joke. We are still hated, but now a laughing stock as well. The Russians, Chinese, Iranians, and North Koreans have done things recently to reinforce this notion. And this rejection by the IOC towards Obama shows that the thinking that Obama would bring some sort of respect to the USA was crap. Obama uses the office of the POTUS like a teenager in a popularity contest. It's totally embarrassing. And needs to be pointed out.


My point is, things are what they are. Doesn't mean I'm going to run out with blind hatred and spit on every move Obama makes. Maybe if all us "Americans", left, right, middle, whatever, start working together for common goals we might accomplish something.

But you speak as though you have blind support for somebody attempting to nationalize vast amounts of our economy to the detriment of taxpayers. In addition, you seem to support a vast increase to our national debt by shilling for this devastating administration that can't get it's nose out of things it has no business getting itself into. Like where the Olympics will take place for example. I agree that Americans must work together to make things correct. But most Americans share none of the goals of statists and big government leftists. Therefore, you can forget accomplishing what they want. Americans are not going to get onboard socialist claptrap just to get along. Perhaps you guys should have got onboard with taxpayer freedom, and fighting a common enemy (Islamic terrorists) when we had a President who gave a damn about those issues. Now we got a President who's condemning us to failure and deficit growth in ways the previous administration wouldn't dare take us.

I don't agree with many things Obama is doing. But he is my President, and this is my country. I'm going to do my part to help it, not hurt it.

How sweet. Yet, blind support for an administration that has bastardized and forgotten the war and terrorism, is tepid on their response to Iranian and North Korean efforts to nuke up, is weakening missile shield efforts, is attempting to unilaterally disarm our nuclear arsenal while China and Russia build up and advance their nuclear arsenals, continue policies that are increasing unemployment, is exploding the deficit and debts, all the while he and his wife are living like royalty at taxpayer expense does not inspire anything from me. He is indeed the President unfortunately. And history will record....a great mistake for our country. I'm doing my part to help this country by not allowing this administration carte blanche in destroying Americans freedoms, free markets, capitalism, and standing against it's big government nationalization of industries. I'm helping this country by standing for the liberty of taxpayers and citizens against this administration and the looting class that elected him.

Make no mistake, blind support for this administration does not help our country.

[Tribesman]

I would suggest reading up a little bit about the economic and international climate Roosevelt inherited in 1932.

Was America stuck in two campaigns one of which is very expensive and highly unlikely to produce any positive result, and the other which is very expensive and is already shown to not have produced a positive result?
There was not yet any major standoff with nutjobs and nukes and potential nukes in the hands of fruitcakes didn't exist.
Japans involvement in the far east wasn't impacting much yet and the Chinese faction America supported was still on the ascendancy.
Central America had turned out OK with deployments ending and friendly dictatorships settled in.
I would suggest that you yourself read up before suggesting it to others.

And, let's not forget that Obama comes into office with his party having had control of both houses of congress for the previous two years (including one that he was a member of).
What was Roosevelts job before he was President and what was the political makeup of the 72nd session?

[MothBalls]

My apology to nikimcbee (http://subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=212491), sorry, didn't mean to derail your thread.



Make no mistake, blind support for this administration does not help our country.When did I say I offered blind support? I'm just not so full of blind hatred that I blame him for the original mess.

That's what I was trying to point out. You keep pointing the finger in the wrong direction. You actually think all your ills in the world were caused by Obama. Horsehockey. We wouldn't have to spend money to save our asses, if our asses weren't still bleeding from the people who caused this situation in the first place.

Go read this again, slowly this time. http://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1182809&postcount=40 Read what you wrote. Read my reply. Just pointing out a few facts you won't admit to. Tell me I was wrong on what I said there and stop making assumptions on the way I feel or think. Please do it in a different thread, you/we hijacked this one too far already.


Now back to the original topic. I guess Rio winning has made a few Americans mad about not winning the bid. Maybe we should bomb them, and pay Cheney's company to go in and rebuild it before the games begin.

[Aramike]

Was America stuck in two campaigns one of which is very expensive and highly unlikely to produce any positive result, and the other which is very expensive and is already shown to not have produced a positive result?
There was not yet any major standoff with nutjobs and nukes and potential nukes in the hands of fruitcakes didn't exist.
Japans involvement in the far east wasn't impacting much yet and the Chinese faction America supported was still on the ascendancy.
Central America had turned out OK with deployments ending and friendly dictatorships settled in.
I would suggest that you yourself read up before suggesting it to others.I am read up on it - both examples.

Comparitively speaking regarding scales of economic impact, Roosevelt had FAR MORE to deal with then Obama does, or likely ever will. I don't disagree that the nuclear ambitions of rogue states are unique challenges, but they only can pose so much to Obama's agenda, as there is only so much that he can concievably do. Also, for all the debacle that is Iraq and Afghanistan, ultimately even combined they rank far below the impact of even Vietnam, not to mention the rise of a man named Hitler.

And, quite frankly, those "conflicts" are merely irritants when considered on a large, strategic scale. Indeed, I see Iraq as having a long term strategic merit but I find Afghanistan to be fairly pointless.

Obama's calling press conferences to discuss nearly 10% unemployment, up from around 7% when he took office. Roosevelt, the other hand, ENTERED office with a, what, roughly 25% unemployment rate?

These are two very different eras we're talking about, and while it faces challenges, Obama's presidency is not likely to come close to the obstructions FDR faced.What was Roosevelts job before he was President and what was the political makeup of the 72nd session?Irrelevent to my point. Roosevelt's party took control of congress as he won the presidency. Obama's party HAD control of congress well before he won the presidency.

Oh, and wasn't Roosevelt New York's governor?

But you crack me up. Do you have Google open full time in another window?

[Carotio]

GEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :nope::nope::nope::nope::nope:

So Chicago didn't win the election, and now all you Amis talk about is whether it's all Obamas fault, and lead the entire discussion into whether he is a good president or not...

Well, seen here from Europe, ANY John Doe after Bush would be better off. It couldn't have been worse. But still there was never a real disrespect for America or Americans in general, just the Bush administration. IMHO. That there still is disrespect in the Middle East or Asia is not removed overnight. I'm not even sure if any president can do that, except for trying, and that makes the difference: trying.

Obama tried to convince IOC members to vote for Chicago and failed, because he didn't spend enough time on the greasing. Well, maybe he was occupied with other matters in Washington. Working for the American people. Do ANY of you really KNOW, or do you base your opinion on assumptions or rumours?

It was just not meant to be. It was meant to be in a world part not previously having hosted the games, and no matter what: a nice looser congratulates the winner, accept the defeat and move on.

Now shall we?

[Tribesman]

Comparitively speaking regarding scales of economic impact, Roosevelt had FAR MORE to deal with then Obama does, or likely ever will.
Less actually, America had a far better trade balance at the time, much smaller debts plus had lots of major countries owing it money rather than having major countries holding its debts. In fact it has been pretty screwed since Reagans "miracle" started working.
not to mention the rise of a man named Hitler.

Hitler didn't come to power until after Roosevelt took office so he didn't inherit that .
Irrelevent to my point.
Don't you mean your point was irrelevent?

But you crack me up. Do you have Google open full time in another window?
Do you lack an education, a memory and a working mind?

[SteamWake]

now now no need for personal attacks you were doing fine untill you resorted to that.

[Tribesman]

now now no need for personal attacks you were doing fine untill you resorted to that.
It's a question that was a response to a question.

[SteamWake]

Anyhow...

Heres a video clip of local WGN newscasters reaction to the vote..

"Did I just hear that right"?

http://www.breitbart.tv/pandemonium-in-the-broadcast-center-chicago-loses-olympics-bid/

They really thought they had it in the bag!

[mookiemookie]

Now we're hated and made a mockery of. Great...what a combo.

That's why he got standing ovations at the G20, right? Or were they sarcastic standing ovations?

The real thing I see that's petty, is while we have troops in Afghanistan, and we have an economy in recession, the President is over in Europe, wasting taxpayer dollars lobbying for the Olympics in Chicago.Oh stop it. He spent one day there. I think things are still under control after one day in Copenhagen. Or do you honestly believe every decision regarding the war in Afghanistan and the economy must be made personally by Obama and only from the Oval Office?

Unfortunately you drag us down with you.Good. The twisted GOP vision of America can't go away fast enough.

[ETR3(SS)]

Or do you honestly believe every decision regarding the war in Afghanistan and the economy must be made personally by Obama and only from the Oval Office? Gotta agree not realistic and shouldn't be done like that. No President should micromanage a war, just ask LBJ.

[Platapus]

It is so easy to be a complainer. :)

All you have to do is sit on your butt and wait to see what happens and bitch about the opposite.

If President Obama did not go to Denmark the complainers would bitch about Obama not going when the other heads of state went. They would have bitched about Obama not loving his country enough to even bother representing it at the Olympic meeting. They can bitch about Obama not being able to multi-task.....

If President did go to Denmark, the complainers would bitch about Obama going. They would bitch about the President wasting time and money when he should be doing "other things". They would bitch about Obama representing his own city (Uh Chicago was the only US city to make the finals.. not like Obama had any choice).

The sad point is that there would be a group of people who would complain about either choice.

There are times when I envy the complainers. It must make life so much easier. No real deep thought. Just what ever the President does; complain about the opposite. We had to live through 8 years of knee-jerk complaining about anything Bush, now we are going to have to live through 4 (8) years of knee-jerk complaining about anything Obama.

It just gets tiresome at times. :nope: We get it Some of you did not like Bush, some of you don't like Obama. And that's OK. We have never had a President who everyone liked and I seriously doubt we can ever have a President everyone likes.

But the Constitution of the United States gives everyone the right to be a complainer, so I guess it is here to stay.:damn:

[Jimbuna]

Good luck to Rio and a continent that has yet to be the host :up:

[Aramike]

Don't you mean your point was irrelevent?Actually, yours. What did Roosevelt's previous post have to do with anything?Do you lack an education, a memory and a working mind? I don't. Do you?

Somehow I'm going to go with Google, as you are always pretending to be an expert on things you're not. Like the constitutions of far away South American nations... :doh:

Back to the ignore list you go. I can Google too, and get far more reliable information than that which you spin and present with your usual meaningless posturing and insults. That combined with the way you like to ask questions rather than assert facts seems to demonstrate that you're hardly even sure of the veracity of the information you're looking up.

I suspect that you skimmed Roosevelt's wiki and noticed the word Senator, and was trying to present it is though he was a US Senator, rather than a State Senator.

Fraud.:salute:

[Tribesman]

Actually, yours. What did Roosevelt's previous post have to do with anything?
Thats simple, what was Rossevelts job prior to the election and what was the time frame of him holding that job.

I don't. Do you?
Actually you demonstrate your lack of education pretty quickly.....
Like the constitutions of far away South American nations...very quickly indeed.


Somehow I'm going to go with Google
You really do make silly assumptions.

That combined with the way you like to ask questions rather than assert facts seems to demonstrate that you're hardly even sure of the veracity of the information you're looking up.

Thats a failure of logic on your part, well done.

I suspect that you skimmed Roosevelt's wiki and noticed the word Senator, and was trying to present it is though he was a US Senator, rather than a State Senator.

another silly assumption, see above.

Fraud.
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
Back to the ignore list you go.
I am heartbroken , being back on your ignore list is really going to be devestating when it comes to criticising some of the nonsense you write:rotfl2:

[MothBalls]

On Topic

I'd like to see it be a rule that you can only host the Olympics once every 50 years. Add to that, that it can only be hosted by those who would benefit from the economic boost the most. IE, the top 10 economic powers are automatically excluded by default.

I really do think Rio was a good choice. It will give them a chance to introduce the world to their culture and people. It's nice when the underdog wins sometimes, gives others hope they can one day do the same.






The derailed/hijacked discussion:
So Chicago didn't win the election, and now all you Amis talk about is whether it's all Obamas fault, and lead the entire discussion into whether he is a good president or not...
maybe he was occupied with other matters in Washington.

That was my point exactly, in response to Sea Demon's original diatribe (http://subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1182785&postcount=38). .... just getting so tired of hearing that crap everywhere, about everything. (I still get that mental image of trailer trash thinking every time I hear someone rant on like that)
If President Obama did not go to Denmark the complainers would bitch about Obama not going when the other heads of state went......

If President did go to Denmark, the complainers would bitch about Obama going......

Exactly. Doesn't matter what he does or how he does it. One half of this country is ready to jump up and cry foul, call him a socialist, blame their lot in life on him, while completely ignoring the facts of where we are and how we got there. The main point is; regardless of how we got here we need to work together to get out of this mess. People bitching and crying, letting blind hatred and prejudice guide their thoughts is tearing our contry apart from the inside.

We need to get back to the same spirit of patriotism this country had in October 2001. If we don't we're going to end up being a third world economy. Then we'll have to start worrying about being invaded and conquered by all the enemies we made while pacifying our "it's all about me" society.

[Aramike]

I'd like to see it be a rule that you can only host the Olympics once every 50 years. Add to that, that it can only be hosted by those who would benefit from the economic boost the most. IE, the top 10 economic powers are automatically excluded by default.I agree with the first part, but the second part is WAY too subjective.

The Olympics should be about competition, not as a stimulus for other economies.

[Aramike]

So Chicago didn't win the election, and now all you Amis talk about is whether it's all Obamas fault, and lead the entire discussion into whether he is a good president or not...
maybe he was occupied with other matters in Washington. The point was that he wasn't occupied in Washington and that he went to Copenhagen to attempt to use his image to secure his hometown's bid for the games.

[Platapus]

I think the nations of the world should just invest in one permanent location for the Olympics (one for each season of course) . As the "hosting" rotates from country to country, each host country would be responsible for the logistic support of the permanent location for that Olympad.

I see little logic in countries wasting money building Olympic facilities that may go to waste.

[Aramike]

I think the nations of the world should just invest in one permanent location for the Olympics (one for each season of course) . As the "hosting" rotates from country to country, each host country would be responsible for the logistic support of the permanent location for that Olympad.

I see little logic in countries wasting money building Olympic facilities that may go to waste.I don't agree. There are literally 1000s of facilities already available and in use, and that should be a prerequesite for hosting the games.

Moving the games around allows for many people who don't otherwise have the means for international travel to view the spectacle.

[Platapus]

But it would make security easier. But you are right, there are still people who want to attend the Olympics in person

[Sea Demon]

That's why he got standing ovations at the G20, right? Or were they sarcastic standing ovations?

Of course he got a standing ovation from these people. These people are dedicated to ensuring an America with reduced economic output, more damaging and unnecessary environmental regulation on our industries, and less influence globally. And Obama is delivering just that. Both a weakened national economy, and loss of sovereignty. No they were sincere indeed. This international body is getting exactly what they want from him. But nevertheless, those fools aren't who I'm talking about. The Russians, Iranians, little man Chavez in Venezuela, Castro bros. in Cuba, The North Koreans, and China are the ones I'm concerned with. I don't see much but ridicule and power posturing coming from them. Definitely not respect. Oh yeah, and I guess you missed Sarkozy the other day accusing him of weakness. That didn't exactly scream respect to me.

Oh stop it. He spent one day there. I think things are still under control after one day in Copenhagen. Or do you honestly believe every decision regarding the war in Afghanistan and the economy must be made personally by Obama and only from the Oval Office?Yes. This Olympics trip is an absolute waste for those of us who actually have a federal tax liability. The problem is, Obama's not focusing on the war in any meaningful way. And if he is...his general in Afghanistan doesn't seem to be seeing that commitment as reported.

Good. The twisted GOP vision of America can't go away fast enough.Dude, support for Democrats is rapidly contracting. The Independents are pretty much lost at this point for Democrats. And you got nothing to show for your vote for these failures. No "single payer" Health care, No Gitmo closure, the war on terror continues (albeit with much less focus and vision), and a revived sense of limited government from the average citizen.

The "twisted" GOP vision for America which is limited government, personal responsibility, lower taxes, strong national security, political accountability, and business expansion and job growth through private ownership is gaining speed. Your nutty and ridiculous Democrat vision of government control of everything, sky high tax rates, forced "social justice"(whatever the hell that means) at the expense of individual freedom, weak-kneed national security, unilateral nuclear disarmament, and wacko environmentalism is what's rapidly in retreat. It's apparent that a vast number of Americans understand what a huge mistake it was to put Democrats in control of government like this.

[Sea Demon]

When did I say I offered blind support? I'm just not so full of blind hatred that I blame him for the original mess.

My friend, it is not blind hatred. But a focused opposition on what I see as detrimental to every principle I've seen in practice that made this country safe, and prosperous. Many of us are just very much opposed to having government growth like this, taxpayers ripped off on trips of zero value (on two seperate jets with full entourages as well), and also do not wish to see government dependancy grow and citizen dignity and respectability fall. It's too bad liberals don't know the difference between opposition and hatred.

That's what I was trying to point out. You keep pointing the finger in the wrong direction. You actually think all your ills in the world were caused by Obama. Horsehockey.

No, but he's certainly making everything worse. The deficit has quadrupled, and national liabilities are increasing. This man and Democrats in Congress are trying to bankrupt my children who are not even in the workforce, and do not get the chance to vote for themselves whether they want this Democrat debt pushed on them or not. Since Obama is in charge, the finger is in his face. And rightly so. And he has so far inspired no confidence....as the Independent vote will show you as they continue to shift away from Democrats.

We wouldn't have to spend money to save our asses, if our asses weren't still bleeding from the people who caused this situation in the first place.

This is old hat. The buck now stops on Obama's desk. Stop trying to push Obama's failures on somebody else. What's he actually doing to solve any problems other than trying to balloon the national deficit to outrageous proportions? What's he actually doing in other problem areas like Iran and North Korea? How about Gitmo? Is there any clear policy coming from there? We don't know really. Why? Because we rarely see him anywhere except giving speeches, and doing worthless photo ops or TV spots. This administration is a failure so far.

Now back to the original topic. I guess Rio winning has made a few Americans mad about not winning the bid. Maybe we should bomb them, and pay Cheney's company to go in and rebuild it before the games begin.

Actually, watching Rio win was amusing to me. They can have it. And all the crap that goes with it. I knew eventually Obama's arrogance, and the arrogance of his inner circle would collapse and make him look foolish. Unfortunately, somebody in the White House hasn't told him he need not involve himself in everything. To be Presidential, a President needs to be above and clear from some things. This is one of those things.

[Tribesman]

The problem is, Obama's not focusing on the war in any meaningful way. And if he is...his general in Afghanistan doesn't seem to be seeing that commitment as reported.

:har::har::har::har::har::har:
Commiting to a plan that is out of date and irrelevant would be a bloody silly thing to do

The General drew up a plan that was dependent on one core factor, since that plan was drawn up that factor has evaporated.
The new assesment of the situation is due on wednesday at which time McCrystal will have to decide if his old plan can be adapted sufficiently now that its core has disappeared or if he needs to draw up a completely new plan.

the war on terror continues (albeit with much less focus and vision),
How can there possibly be less focus and vision than under the last administration ? Unless of course Obama starts a completely new very silly war over a pile of lies which strips resources from the real conflict.

[AngusJS]

Perhaps because Chicago is not a good spot for the Olympics and also because hosting the Olympics is often a very costly operation which ends up costing the taxpayers a lot of money?

Not everything is about Obama. :nope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNIwct1I9CI&feature=player_embedded

The Drudge Report's headline was "The Ego Has Landed."

Rational opposition to a Chicago Games based on real concerns doesn't explain the outpouring of joy that America lost its Olympic bid.

This isn't about whether Chicago was a good pick or a bad pick, it's about wanting Obama to fail at anything he does, even the goddamn Olympics.

[AngusJS]

Well, I'm not happy about where the Olympics will be happening. I couldn't care less about any of that. Personally, I'm laughing about the whole matter because Obama's presidency (according to liberals last fall) was supposed to "restore" respect and admiration to the USA. And I knew that was utter BS. Obama apparently believed that BS as well as he carted off to Europe thinking his presence there would seal the deal, and he would return triumphantly with his Olympics trophy in hand for Chicago. And ouch.....he flopped hard. As such, it's so apparent that his presidency garners no respect or admiration for the USA as believed.Wow, I didn't know the IOC was the barometer for measuring respect/disrespect for a country. Do you have any proof that Obama thought his presence would "seal the deal"? Or is just that all the other countries' leaders were present?

So maybe Rio was chosen because it'd be a first for South America...nah, they obviously did it because they don't like Obama. :roll:

We were hated under Bush, but we were at least respected.Is the weather nice on your planet?

The real thing I see that's petty, is while we have troops in Afghanistan, and we have an economy in recession, the President is over in Europe, wasting taxpayer dollars lobbying for the Olympics in Chicago.Yeah, that entire day he was gone everything went to crap. And you're right, the President should never take a vacation or go anywhere, because that means taking the security apparatus with him and wasting taxpayer money.

Obviously he's greasing the palms of political friends from his "hometown".Any proof?

[AngusJS]

Of course he got a standing ovation from these people. These people are dedicated to ensuring an America with reduced economic output, more damaging and unnecessary environmental regulation on our industries, and less influence globally. And Obama is delivering just that.So the entire G20 is so anti-American that anything that would normally be taken as a sign of respect is in fact only a show of approval for Obama's success in weakening America? Wow. I'm guessing you'll explain away any evidence of respect in a similar fasion.

Dude, support for Democrats is rapidly contracting. The Independents are pretty much lost at this point for Democrats. And you got nothing to show for your vote for these failures. No "single payer" Health care, No Gitmo closure, the war on terror continues (albeit with much less focus and vision), and a revived sense of limited government from the average citizen.Nothing shows focus and vision like opening up an entirely new war (for no good reason as it would turn out) before winning the first one. So after 8 years, the Taliban still hasn't been beaten and OBL is still a free man. And the fact that Obama hasn't been able to turn it around in 9 months obviously shows he's a failure.

[Aramike]

Nothing shows focus and vision like opening up an entirely new war (for no good reason as it would turn out) before winning the first one. So after 8 years, the Taliban still hasn't been beaten and OBL is still a free man. And the fact that Obama hasn't been able to turn it around in 9 months obviously shows he's a failure. Hogwash. The Taliban have been REPEATEDLY defeated. The problem is that we have failed to define "victory".

All of a sudden "war" isn't simply the military conflict to the point of the complete strategic and pointlessness of the enemy combatant, but also includes the upheaval involved in nation reformation and rebuilding. And, if we struggle throughout the latter, somehow that has been redefined to mean that we've failed the former.

I do agree that it is a tall order to have expected Obama to have effected complete change in Afghanistan, but if he didn't want that expectation, he shouldn't have campaigned on it. I'm not surprised that the situation has deteriorated under his watch. I AM surprised that he has been so hands-off.

[Tribesman]

The Taliban have been REPEATEDLY defeated. The problem is that we have failed to define "victory".

Like with the Viet Mihn then. It doesn't matter how many you kill and how often you defeat them unless you have a viable plan on what to do after winning a battle.

All of a sudden "war" isn't simply the military conflict to the point of the complete strategic and pointlessness of the enemy combatant, but also includes the upheaval involved in nation reformation and rebuilding.
What is sudden about that?

And, if we struggle throughout the latter, somehow that has been redefined to mean that we've failed the former.

Like winning the battle but losing the war, getting a tactical victory but securing a strategic defeat.
No redefinition has been applied , the objective was to resolve the situation in Afghanistan so it couldn't be used as a haven for terrorists anymore, that means getting rid of the terrorists , getting rid of the "government" that allowed them, finding a replacement government that is not only willing but able to run the country as required, plus of course supporting that government for years until it is able to become sucurely established.

I think when you was learning about war you only got halfway through page 1 and skipped the rest of the instruction manual:rotfl2:

[MothBalls]

Now I'm confused. What year are the Taliban hosting The Olympics in Afghanistan?

[Jimbuna]

Now I'm confused. What year are the Taliban hosting The Olympics in Afghanistan?

Welcome to GT....I suppose :DL

[AngusJS]

Now I'm confused. What year are the Taliban hosting The Olympics in Afghanistan?Actually, I believe they're boycotting it until stoning becomes an Olympic event.

[Aramike]

Now I'm confused. What year are the Taliban hosting The Olympics in Afghanistan?Dunno, but they are trying to get IED Building into the list of sports.

[Stealth Hunter]

I don't watch the Olys any more.

After the China one I, think their fixed.

I haven't watched them in 20 years, just because they're not about "honor" or "may the best man win", despite what the politicians claim- because they always turn them around as a way of saying, "HAHA! MY COUNTRY PRODUCES BETTER ATHLETES THAN YOURS!":nope:

[bookworm_020]

Dunno, but they are trying to get IED Building into the list of sports.

Actually, I believe they're boycotting it until stoning becomes an Olympic event.


:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

At least Sydney got to host the games before China! We just beat them by two votes for the right to hold it in 2000. Many here would welcome it back in a heart beat if offered.

[SteamWake]

All sillyness aside...

Here you go .. Blame it on the committee !



Critics Assail U.S.O.C. After Chicago’s Loss

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/sports/04usoc.html

[CastleBravo]

George Will's take on the Obama olympic failure. "It Was All About Them"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY9pkFTF3G0