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SteamWake
09-29-09, 11:06 AM
Four Chicago teenagers charged with murder Monday afternoon for the vicious beating death of the 16-year-old Fenger High School honors student. Police said they were searching for at least three more suspects.


Whats really disturbing is the video, the people just watching, some cheering the beatings on. The poor kid whom got killed was not a gang member and had evidently stepped in to help.

I'ts the Chicago way... Yea that will be a great site for the olympics.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/derrion.albert.investigation.2.1212436.html
AVGWarhawk
09-29-09, 11:19 AM
Yes sir, Chicago is such a proud city. However, a lot of cities suffer the same issues.
GoldenRivet
09-29-09, 11:25 AM
its a zoo... and they are all animals.:nope:
martes86
09-29-09, 11:38 AM
Tsá... nothing you can't see anywhere else. Actually, the current generations of teenagers (all around the world) are so much full of crap, that the meaner they get, the less it surprises me.
Dowly
09-29-09, 11:42 AM
I think the description for the video at NothingToxic said it the best:
"If you watch this, and then watch the first 10 minutes of 2001: A Space Odyssey, you'll realize we haven't evolved very much at all."
GoldenRivet
09-29-09, 11:50 AM
I think the description for the video at NothingToxic said it the best:
"If you watch this, and then watch the first 10 minutes of 2001: A Space Odyssey, you'll realize we haven't evolved very much at all."

we?

i think it should say "they"

I myself... nor anyone i know has ever beaten another human being to death or otherwise.:shifty:
antikristuseke
09-29-09, 11:50 AM
This kind of **** has happened as much in the past as it does today, the difference is that news travels faster and further nowadays.
martes86
09-29-09, 11:50 AM
I agree.
SteamWake
09-29-09, 11:56 AM
This kind of **** has happened as much in the past as it does today, the difference is that news travels faster and further nowadays.

does that make it any more acceptable ?
FIREWALL
09-29-09, 12:03 PM
That some of you are alive to post here shows the past wasn't as bad as now.

Be cause of the permissivenes of parenting today '"ye reap what ye sow"

Just go shopping and watch how the parents let their kids run wild screaming and yelling and running into other customers.

These parents are oblivious to it and could care less.
Dowly
09-29-09, 12:13 PM
i think it should say "they"


Yes, you are right. :yep:
Dowly
09-29-09, 12:15 PM
This kind of **** has happened as much in the past as it does today, the difference is that news travels faster and further nowadays.

I dont know, mate. If you ask me, it's much more common today. :hmmm:
FIREWALL
09-29-09, 12:17 PM
I dont know, mate. If you ask me, it's much more common today. :hmmm:


:up: :up: :up: :salute:
Sailor Steve
09-30-09, 10:40 AM
I'd say you're both wrong. Conquerors from Cyrus to Darius to Alexander to Caesar to William didn't get their backing just through force of personality. Those armies were full of young men who were in it simply for the chance to loot, pillage, rape and murder with some official sanctioning.

There have always been and will always be some who don't see others as human beings, but as objects for anything from derision to attack. And they're not so far from you and I.
antikristuseke
09-30-09, 10:47 AM
does that make it any more acceptable ?

No, never claimed it did, just think that the claim that we have somehow sunk to new lows is incorrect.

I dont know, mate. If you ask me, it's much more common today. :hmmm:

It only appears to be so because news travels better. If anything societies in general are less violent than those of the past, but humans as a whole are a violent species so this sort of behavior is not surprising to me. But that does not mean I think it is justified.

Agree with Sailor Steves post 100%
MothBalls
09-30-09, 10:20 PM
I'd say you're both wrong. Conquerors from Cyrus to Darius to Alexander to Caesar to William didn't get their backing just through force of personality. Those armies were full of young men who were in it simply for the chance to loot, pillage, rape and murder with some official sanctioning.


Link where can I sign up? Sounds like fun.



Damn SS, 20,000 posts by the end of the week maybe?
CastleBravo
09-30-09, 10:54 PM
Life in Chicago since its gun ban has gone down hill very quickly. Let's bring the olympics to Chicago. Death by railroad tie can be an event. :nope:

An Obama city.
August
10-01-09, 07:17 AM
That some of you are alive to post here shows the past wasn't as bad as now.

So you're saying that the teenagers of the present are all going to be dead by the time they get to our age? That's a bit of an exaggeration I think.
AVGWarhawk
10-01-09, 07:22 AM
I dont know, mate. If you ask me, it's much more common today. :hmmm:

I agree with Dowly 100%.
ETR3(SS)
10-01-09, 07:57 AM
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Fox Television Stations, Inc.. How does Fox have any sort of copyright over a cell phone video?
SteamWake
10-01-09, 08:06 AM
How does Fox have any sort of copyright over a cell phone video?

They pay for it.
ETR3(SS)
10-01-09, 08:14 AM
Great, I can see where this is going already then. :nope:
SteamWake
10-01-09, 08:38 AM
You guys that say 'nothing has changed' have your heads stuck in the sand.


A 14-year-old boy in the city's Edgewater neighborhood was beaten and critically injured Wednesday night--suffering massive head trauma, police said.

"He was covered in blood. Blood was all over the street," said the woman who called police to the scene. "It was all over his face, arms and coming down the back of his head."


http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/10/teen-attacked-in-edgewater.html
AngusJS
10-01-09, 08:47 AM
Great, I can see where this is going already then. :nope:They needed to show this on TV so Glenn Beck could blame it on secularism.

Are these incidents more common, or is it just that a larger number of such incidents are caught on camera nowadays, so the problem appears worse than it is?
SteamWake
10-01-09, 09:08 AM
They needed to show this on TV so Glenn Beck could blame it on secularism.

Are these incidents more common, or is it just that a larger number of such incidents are caught on camera nowadays, so the problem appears worse than it is?

Actually its a little of both I think. The more you see it the more you become numb to it. The number society becomes to violent acts the more of them you see.

It is not at all uncommon for a news outlet to 'buy' exclusive rights to a news story. Its up to the individual with the story to choose whom to sell those rights... usually to the highest bidder.

But I dont recall Beck even mentioning this story but then again I dont watch him religiously.
Tribesman
10-01-09, 09:28 AM
You guys that say 'nothing has changed' have your heads stuck in the sand.

All thats changed is the speed and spread of the coverage. 100 years ago the same story about some teenager getting killed in a fight might just make a small article in the local paper if it was a quiet week for news in that city
AVGWarhawk
10-01-09, 09:30 AM
All thats changed is the speed and spread of the coverage. 100 years ago the same story about some teenager getting killed in a fight might just make a small article in the local paper if it was a quiet week for news in that city


I would agree as information moves at the speed of light. So, is there really more of this or is it just that we get more information on an issue that has not changed over the years? I would say there is more of this. People are more embolden to do the wrong thing these days...just my opinion.
antikristuseke
10-01-09, 09:32 AM
Indeed it is a bit of both, but more of the spread of information than rise in violence.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html
SteamWake
10-01-09, 09:33 AM
All thats changed is the speed and spread of the coverage. 100 years ago the same story about some teenager getting killed in a fight might just make a small article in the local paper if it was a quiet week for news in that city

100 years ago these teens would have been slaves working on a farm.

The would have been too busy to bother with beating the crap out of one another because they belonged to the wrong club.
AngusJS
10-01-09, 09:44 AM
Actually its a little of both I think. The more you see it the more you become numb to it. The number society becomes to violent acts the more of them you see.

It is not at all uncommon for a news outlet to 'buy' exclusive rights to a news story. Its up to the individual with the story to choose whom to sell those rights... usually to the highest bidder.

But I dont recall Beck even mentioning this story but then again I dont watch him religiously.
I was thinking that because video is more visceral than print, the emotional impact of the video makes the problem seem larger than it is.

http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/ojstatbb/nr2006/downloads/chapter3.pdf

The graph on page 4 only goes to 2002, but it shows that juvenile murder rates are at their lowest since 1984.

And here's Glenn Beck in his attempt to break the record for most falsehoods uttered in ten minutes, previously held by...Glenn Beck. :DL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjpVM0bsDZ0&feature=related
Tribesman
10-01-09, 09:44 AM
100 years ago these teens would have been slaves working on a farm.

So is that history problems or counting problems you have?

Indeed it is a bit of both, but more of the spread of information than rise in violence.

So levels of crime is down, murder is down, violent crime is down and assault is down.
Yep its definately violence increasing.
AVGWarhawk
10-01-09, 09:46 AM
So levels of crime is down, murder is down, violent crime is down and assault is down.
Yep its definately violence increasing.


What town do you live in?
antikristuseke
10-01-09, 09:47 AM
Pretty much, as Dara O'Briain put it on Mock the Week: "Crime rate is down, but the fear of crime is an an all time high. Who cares that the fear of crime is high, the fear of zombies is at an all time high but the rate of zombies is low" or something along those lines
AVGWarhawk
10-01-09, 09:53 AM
Now I have to contend with zombies? Damn it. Cancel the mall trip.
August
10-01-09, 09:57 AM
There's also a lot more people around. Even if the homicide rate remained unchanged if you double the amount of people you double the number of homicides.
Tribesman
10-01-09, 10:30 AM
There's also a lot more people around. Even if the homicide rate remained unchanged if you double the amount of people you double the number of homicides.

But since any meaningful measure is done on a per capita basis thats a nonsense statement.

What town do you live in?
The figures are from the US since the topic is crime in the US.
And since its the US and people are making statements about heads stuck in the sand.
67% of Americans think crime has increased when it has decreased.
SteamWake
10-01-09, 11:12 AM
Arent we a more educated, kinder, generation?

Yup crap like this happens every day.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=10257784&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/
August
10-01-09, 11:26 AM
But since any meaningful measure is done on a per capita basis thats a nonsense statement.

Don't be an ass. We're talking about how often it's mentioned in the news.
WTH does per capita have to do with that?
Tribesman
10-01-09, 11:41 AM
Yup crap like this happens every day.

Women attacking law officers who intervene in a fight.
That sounds so Dickensian, are you sure Fox didn't just lift the story from a 19th century news sheet?
SteamWake
10-01-09, 11:51 AM
Women attacking law officers who intervene in a fight.
That sounds so Dickensian, are you sure Fox didn't just lift the story from a 19th century news sheet?

(Checks watch) Yup pretty sure.

Cant recall hearing "Gaurdy Loo" recently either.
CastleBravo
10-01-09, 03:41 PM
Another boy beaten: 'Blood was all over street'

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/teenbeating.gif

A 14-year-old boy was chased down a street in the Edgewater neighborhood this morning and hit with a pipe, fracturing his skull, according to police and witnesses.

"He was covered in blood. Blood was all over the street," said the woman who called police to the scene. "It was all over his face, arms and coming down the back of his head."

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/10/teen-attacked-in-edgewater.html
Tribesman
10-01-09, 05:38 PM
Another boy beaten
Wow in one of the most densely populated cities in the country they manage to report .....Last week we had to endure the erasing of life. And this week, 3 people in Edgewater beat up a 14-year old.
Thats amazing , two stories in a week in a city of nearly 3 million.
Aramike
10-01-09, 07:42 PM
Wow in one of the most densely populated cities in the country they manage to report .....Last week we had to endure the erasing of life. And this week, 3 people in Edgewater beat up a 14-year old.
Thats amazing , two stories in a week in a city of nearly 3 million.Only really a minor story.

Now imagine that if it involved US troops and was in Baghdad during the Bush years...
MothBalls
10-02-09, 01:28 AM
Just another headline, another statistic, another victim.

Years ago I wanted to take my daughter to Europe. My (now ex) wife didn't think it was safe for her to go there. Next day I asked her to meet me for lunch. I took her to the library, and randomly picked 5 newspapers from major cities in the US. Showed her headlines, murder, rape, kidnapping, beatings.... just a random sample of one days news.

Then I asked here "Instead of Europe, can I take her to one of these safer cities in the US?"



<breaks out a stopwatch> Counting the number of seconds that will pass before CB comes in and blames Obama.