Women on Subs? NEAL!

[Rip]

Look what the hell you started with your damn April Fool's joke. That these brain dead politicians are going to end up actually doing it.

All right why don't we start with some decontamination drills. Somebody grab my scrub brush.

:haha:

[GoldenRivet]

well ****.


so much for that "long hard and full of seamen" joke. :nope:

[Onkel Neal]

Link? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/25/AR2009092503385.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Well, think of all the Navy women who will love me for it!

[geetrue]

Submarines have enough strange smells to put up with without adding the blood of a young female Ltjg to the list.

The jokes alone would drive you insane

Her bumps are not going to go un-noticed

The only reason I can think of that makes sense is the reproduction equipment she would bring with her in case of a thermo-nuclear war.

She couldn't be an enlistedman due to galley duty and where would she fit after galley duty?

Sonar? Radio? Quartermaster?

Nuc, electrician, etr?

She don't fit, but if they send them in pairs everyone head for the bomb shelter ...

[Rip]

Sonarman and radioman sound like good candidates. I think half of the ones they have now might have to cheat on a gender test. :O: Yeoman would be another good one. How about corpsman? Could end up with a lot of frequently sick bubbleheads. :hmmm: The easiest officer billet would have to be Supply Officer. At least we could get requisitions expedited with a little less crap. :yep:

[SteamWake]

At least we could get requisitions expedited with a little less crap. :yep:

Have you been shopping with a woman lately? :doh: :rotfl2:

[Jimbuna]

I'm suprised nobody mentioned recreation officer or mattress tester :DL

[nikimcbee]

Ha, they were talking about this on the radio. On guy called in, a former submariner, and said they had tested women on his sub along time ago. The experement didn't go to good because the "feminine hygiene products" totally clogged the pluming up.:haha: They also had an interview "naval-expert" from someplace talk about the subject. The person (a woman), was totally against the idea for a plethora of reasons, mainly it's too big of a distraction vs the risk invovled. well duh:D.

[Bubblehead Nuke]

Ha, they were talking about this on the radio. On guy called in, a former submariner, and said they had tested women on his sub along time ago. The experement didn't go to good because the "feminine hygiene products" totally clogged the pluming up.:haha: They also had an interview "naval-expert" from someplace talk about the subject. The person (a woman), was totally against the idea for a plethora of reasons, mainly it's too big of a distraction vs the risk invovled. well duh:D.

That would have been the USS Minneapolis–Saint Paul (SSN-708), or as we called her the Menopause during that little experiment. I did not serve of her, but I knew folks who did. They hated it overall. Oh how we howled about the things they bitched about.

They took all of 21 man berthing in forward compartment lower level and converted it to female berthing. They did that because there is a head right across the passageway from that berthing space. Oh, and it was deemed by the powers that be that ladies do NOT hotrack, thus EVERYONE e-6 and below was now hotracking.

One problem was that it was between the torpedo room and AMR. I heard it made it a pain for the watchstanders. While it is not a HIGH traffic zone, there are NO low traffic zones on a boat. Underway you have had to yell "male on deck" everytime you went down the ladder. Oh, and the ships laundry was right there as well. Not to mention that the majority of the crew is now restricted to ONE head.

As for the problems with the plumbing?? Oh yeah.. the poo-pump could handle a turd without a problem. It is squishy after all. But put something solid in the tank (like an apple core or hygene product) and the pump would lock up when it tried to pass it. Taking apart the pump was not too bad, but the STENCH... wow. In the meantime you had to resort to blowing the sans. That makes a LOT of noise. Pumping them was the prefered, if slower and quieter, method.

Do I think they (the ladies) can do the job? Yes indeed. Can they do it and stand up to the close quarters and sexual innuendo? I think SOME can, but not all. Like it or not, there WILL be jokes, comments, and grabass games. Sailors are sailors regardless of gender. We got ROUGH with each other. If you heard us talk to each other you would would be SHOCKED to hear what we said when it was just us.

If it was a lady on board once i got to know her she would be 'one of the guys'. I would cut her NO slack for she volenteered for this duty. To treat her in any was different would from the rest of the guys would, IMHO, be more insulting to her than treating her like a sexual object.

[I'm goin' down]

Can I be a sailor girl? I love pushing all those BIG shiny buttons, plus I know how to Dive. Do Sailor girls get minicures on patrols? And on hot days, do we get strawberry daquari's? And can we sunbath on deck? (I just bought three new, tiny European bikini outfits and don't want them to go out of fashion.) I love Navy guy's, all dressed up in white, and I have a special thing for guys wearing those cute captain's hats! Do I get my own room? A shower? I want to fire that big gun, too. Let me know, please. Here is my resume. Love, Jill

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj369/wsm24/georgepetty14.jpg

[Dowly]

^
:haha:

[Jimbuna]

Just so long as you don't mind a little lipstick on the dipstick....welcome aboard maam :DL

[Captain Vlad]

Other countries have managed to do this and keep their submarines operational. There is no reason we can't.

[Bubblehead Nuke]

Other countries have managed to do this and keep their submarines operational. There is no reason we can't.

These other societies have a different moral/societal code than we do. There are some things that some (not I, BTW) Americans find untenable. To put men and women in a confined space were they might see someone of the opposite gender partially clothed, or god forbid NAKED, is adhorrent to the powers that be.

Like it of not, Americans are PRUDEs when it comes to sex and/or nudity or the mixing of genders.

[ETR3(SS)]

Other countries have managed to do this and keep their submarines operational. There is no reason we can't.Oh yes because if Canada does it, it must be a good idea! :nope: I am definitely one of the "keep them off subs" crowd. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. This whole thing stinks of politics. IMHO Adm. Mullen is trying to secure a bigger piece of the pie, or he has some pissy Congresswoman breathing down his neck.

[nikimcbee]

Adm. Mullen is trying to secure a bigger piece of the pie, or he has some pissy Congresswoman breathing down his neck.

Isn't that harassment?;) I think at some point all of this PCness in our military is going to catch up with us in a bad way.:nope:

[Bubblehead Nuke]

In this era of 'correctness' I am positive that they will pass this and you will have a dozen or more ladies on board a number of submarines.

It will last till half of them end up pregnant. They will want on board till they find that sub life is not the romantic/matcho thing they thought it was.

I can think of a DOZEN out of the way places a couple could make noise and never be heard. Even with a watchstander walking within 5 feet of you. Thus you have to worry about that sudden Oooops AFTER you have already left port.

Also, a functioning nuclear reactor and a female reproductive system do NOT work well together. Want to know the IMMEDIATE reaction to a pregnant female on board with a critical reactor? Get her off the boat NOW. Oh, and lets not forget about all those carcinogens floating around that are KNOWN to cause birth defects.

With qualified bubbleheads being a scarse commodity, you have to pull the men back off of shore duty to replace the now inelegible for sea duty ladies. Doing that will DESTROY moral. Just think, you know you FINALLY get that shore duty to have wanted for 5 years and 6 months later you have to go back because someone forgot her diaphram. Oh yeah, and the detailer says he will fix it right after this depoyment you are now going on...After all, she only has a year of shore duty after the birth before she has to return to the boat. Depending on when she left, that can be almost 2 YEARS off the boat.

When she returns, she is going to have to re-qual all over again. Not bad on a 6 year enlistment (presuming it was that long in the first place). Yep, the USN is going to gets its money worth. Two years training just to get them to the boat.... and then.. 4 years MAX unless they get pregnant. Sure, you can use them elsewhere, but the training they get is rather SPECIFIC to submarines. If you decide to use them elsewhere, you now have to retrain them AGAIN.

Case in point here: While I was in, Desert Storm I was just starting. They decided to deploy the USS L.Y. Spear (AS-36) to the combat area for support services. Over one THIRD of her crew were ladies. When then got the depoyment orders damn if over HALF of the female crew suddenly got with child. I tell you, if you had a single lady friend on the tender you had to look out. They were LOOKING for.. well.. you know, and they were NOT shy about it. They had to GUT the crews of the 2 other sub tenders in Norfolk to get them underway. Oh yeah, the moral was great with the male sailors. I remember it will to this day. We did not get decent work out of the tender shops for about 6 months.

I support the IDEA, but the realities of the situation preclude any chance of this coming out good for the USN.

Before you get me wrong. I am VERY pro-intergration of the genders. However, there are situations where it just does not work. This is one of them. Now, if they want to FORCE a temporary sterilization for them upon the commitment to the submarine force, I can endorse it 1000%. It removes the ONE thing that they can use to get off the boat that we could not use. We could not use it to get off, they should not either. After all, it IS a volenteer force. They want to be equal, then make them equal.

One boat, One crew, One shaft, One screw -- Fast attack forever!

[nikimcbee]

Somewhere out there....

http://submarine.id.ru/galery/t213.jpg

Sonar operator: "Comrade Kapitan, sonar contact bearing 067."
Kapitan: " Can you identify it?"
Sonar operator grimaces for a few seconds: "No sir, whales maybe?"
Kapitan takes the earphone for a few moments and listens...
[oh yeah, oh yeah, faster, faster FASTER:oops:, cowabungaaaaa!] silence...:hmmm:
Kapitan: "It's not a whale"

[Elder-Pirate]

^^
:haha::rotfl2::arrgh!:

[Rilder]

Stuff

The pill, Morning after pill, Condoms, so many contraceptives these days, people should use them.

Also I don't see an issue with letting lasses on subs, every lass I've met is as capable as me or more so in any aspect.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Oh yes because if Canada does it, it must be a good idea! :nope: I am definitely one of the "keep them off subs" crowd. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Ah, ever the anti-progress line...

This whole thing stinks of politics.

Wouldn't another way of putting it is that the United States Navy may never know what it is missing if it weren't for politics? (To be fair, it might just not work out but w/o trying...)

It is really a good time to try such things out for America, whose power is supreme currently.

[I'm goin' down]

Look at it this way (see below). Based upon the fact that they bring valuable ass ets on board, I vote an immediate yes.

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[Aramike]

Ah, ever the anti-progress line...I don't see how that is anti-progress. Sure, women would probably make submariners equal to men. I wouldn't say superior, but I'll say equal.

That being said, what then is the point? Todays subs are designed without regard to gender, and such an approach has served us extraordinarily well over the years. Submarines are, by nature, not a private place to live and work. Now with the inclusion of mixed-gender crews, some manner of privacy will have to be obtained.

To me that seems like a downgrade. It is certainly not progress.

Our fighting forces don't exist to give people jobs or opportunities. Sure, opportunity naturally comes with the territory, but that's not the point. The purpose is the mission, and that supercedes any idea of equal-opportunity.

What's next? Making sure that boats have handicap access?

Frankly, I'd find it interesting to have an all-woman crewed boat, however.

[Rilder]

I dunno if I was in the armed services I'd have no problem changing clothes or showering in vicinity of a woman who isn't my girlfriend, could keep my thoughts clean too. :)

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

I don't see how that is anti-progress. Sure, women would probably make submariners equal to men. I wouldn't say superior, but I'll say equal.

In fact, I'll even go so far as to say that they'll average inferior in one index, Strength. Ever the big one. Most of the differences between male and female (such as the supposed greater spatial ability of men vs the greater communicative average of women) is in the fuzz range insofar as it exists, but the strength average thing is undeniable...

That being said, what then is the point? Todays subs are designed without regard to gender, and such an approach has served us extraordinarily well over the years. Submarines are, by nature, not a private place to live and work. Now with the inclusion of mixed-gender crews, some manner of privacy will have to be obtained.

To me that seems like a downgrade. It is certainly not progress.

A hundred years (or was it 200?) ago, a hammock was considered adequate accomodation. Now, people actually demand beds, locker space, air conditioning ... etc, as in comfort. They also demand shore time, family time ... etc. Is that a "downgrade"?

Frankly, after men get over their macho "We are tough" thing, they'll probably figure that maybe the improvement in privacy is no bad thing for themselves too.

Our fighting forces don't exist to give people jobs or opportunities. Sure, opportunity naturally comes with the territory, but that's not the point. The purpose is the mission, and that supercedes any idea of equal-opportunity.

What's next? Making sure that boats have handicap access?

If handicapped people are roughly 50% of the population, and you are not exactly overmanned, and you want the most suitable in the population and the handicaps aren't too directly relevant to the job ... well, one might want to consider it...

Frankly, I'd find it interesting to have an all-woman crewed boat, however.

Well, if you ever want that see that interest happen, there will have to be a transition period where women work with men. Otherwise, inexperience in a role that men have locked them out of for decades will kill the program before anyone can see whether it'll work.

[nikimcbee]

Well, if they're going to accomadate women, then they should accomadate for me, and let diabetics in the military!:up:

[nikimcbee]

double post. I think everybody at subsim hit "post" at the same time and it caused chaos.

[Blood_splat]

They'll just have to launch new born babies from the underwater maternity ward's torpedo tubes.

[Aramike]

A hundred years (or was it 200?) ago, a hammock was considered adequate accomodation. Now, people actually demand beds, locker space, air conditioning ... etc, as in comfort. They also demand shore time, family time ... etc. Is that a "downgrade"?There's a difference between designing a boat to consider creature comforts when the technology is demanding new designs altogether and just doing it because you want to add such amenities.Frankly, after men get over their macho "We are tough" thing, they'll probably figure that maybe the improvement in privacy is no bad thing for themselves too.But they already have the same level of privacy they would have with an integrated force, except now they have more space.

By "privacy" in this context I meant "gender isolation", or privacy for the gender as a hole.If handicapped people are roughly 50% of the population, and you are not exactly overmanned, and you want the most suitable in the population and the handicaps aren't too directly relevant to the job ... well, one might want to consider it...That's true, except it would make more sense to explore other alternatives first.Well, if you ever want that see that interest happen, there will have to be a transition period where women work with men. Otherwise, inexperience in a role that men have locked them out of for decades will kill the program before anyone can see whether it'll work. Also true. I just thought it was interesting.

[antikristuseke]

That's true, except it would make more sense to explore other alternatives first.

What other alternatives?
Just curious, my stand on this issue is meh, not much would really change if women were on subs.

[Aramike]

What other alternatives?
Just curious, my stand on this issue is meh, not much would really change if women were on subs.Enhanced recruiting, raising the payscale and benefits, etc.

Don't get me wrong - I really don't have a problem with women on subs. A sense of machismo isn't my guiding factor here.

The fact is, however, the US submarines are not designed to accomodate both genders. As explained earlier in the thread, the addition of women to a sub's crew only serves to inconvenience the men. So, that means there is no appreciable gain in performance (should all things be equal) but there is a measurable degradation in morale from a good portion of the crew (which could inversely impact performance).

So, as such, there's really no point.

[Rilder]

the addition of women to a sub's crew only serves to inconvenience the men.

Lets just ban men from subs if they have such a problem with being inconvenienced. Subs would be better maintained and probably get more kills during wartime anyways. :03:

[Jimbuna]

Lets just ban men from subs if they have such a problem with being inconvenienced. Subs would be better maintained and probably get more kills during wartime anyways. :03:

There'd be less dust around anyway :DL

[FIREWALL]

The Navy just better pray that some sub doesn't come back from patrol with a larger crew that it started with. :p2:

[I'm goin' down]

Hey, aren't there any men on this boat? All work and no play makes (insert name) a dull boy.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj369/wsm24/jpggilelvgren12.jpg

[Bubblehead Nuke]

The pill, Morning after pill, Condoms, so many contraceptives these days, people should use them.

You can not force them to use any such item, especially when it can be used at their convinence to get them off the boat.

[antikristuseke]

I don't think he was talking about forcing and no, getting pregnant is not a certainty with unprotected sex, it needs to be the right time in the womans cycle and even if the egg cell becomes fertilized there is a good chance it will not attach to the uterus wall. That being said, I have my doubts that after having gotten a position on a sub that most women would be desperate to get off it. Sure, it would be a mild inconvenience for the male members on board, at first, but they would get used to it after a short while.

[Rilder]

Me thinks the men here are thinking catholic and think the only reason to have sex is to make babies and the only reason women want to go on subs is because they are horny and want to make babies. :rotfl2:

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm suprised nobody mentioned recreation officer or mattress tester :DL


I was thinking more along the lines of Commander. ;) Women have been flying jet fighters for a long time and some are just naturals in them. No reason a woman could not command a nuke.

[ETR3(SS)]

So what I've seen this thread boil down to is this. You have the couple of people who have been in the navy, been on a submarine, saying what the women are likely to do and how it would realistically impact the fleet. On the other hand you have the people who haven't been in the navy, who haven't served on a submarine, who don't see the problem with it. Guess you just gotta have a little first hand knowledge of Navy women to know whats gonna happen.

[Jimbuna]

I was thinking more along the lines of Commander. ;) Women have been flying jet fighters for a long time and some are just naturals in them. No reason a woman could not command a nuke.

Commander eh :hmmm:

It would probably come naturally to most women regarding bossing their male counterparts around :DL

Do the auxiliaries on them boats still run on the wankel engine? :dead:

[Carotio]

Though I have a bad reputation being Mr Bad Wolf, I better not repeat sharing what I have as a humourous and sexy photo of what could happen with women aboard subs.... Last time I did (in another deserted environment), I earned myself a permanent shore leave....:shifty:

Let's just put it this way:
When men and women meet, an eye contact occurs, a moment of mutual passion may happen and then.... (censored) :oops::03:

In the short run, small love affairs may occur, but in the long run, it will probably just be routine...

[AVGWarhawk]

In the short run, small love affairs may occur, but in the long run, it will probably just be routine...


Sure, there will be a polishing of the torpedoes and tubes every now and then I would imagine. However, can that really be accomplished on a submarine while at sea? I'm not sure to be honest. I suspect not.

[Jimbuna]

Though I have a bad reputation being Mr Bad Wolf

Oh come on, don't be so harsh on yourself. I've never considered you to have a bad reputation. In fact I was positively looking forward to eventually meeting up with you at the SS Meet this year :yep:

I'm pleased you've finally gotten round to wiping that faeces off yer face though :DL

:03:

[Carotio]

Sure, there will be a polishing of the torpedoes and tubes every now and then I would imagine. However, can that really be accomplished on a submarine while at sea? I'm not sure to be honest. I suspect not.

Okay, I don't know if this is just my dirty imagination, but do you actually mean the torpedos and tubes, or do you mean the "torpedos" and the "tubes"... :haha:

Oh come on, don't be so harsh on yourself. I've never considered you to have a bad reputation. In fact I was positively looking forward to eventually meeting up with you at the SS Meet this year :yep:

I'm pleased you've finally gotten round to wiping that faeces off yer face though :DL:03:

I'm not harsh on myself regarding the bad reputation thingy, I actually find it amusing...:D
So why didn't you come? The finances? Or the wife saying no?

Last sentence - ???

[AVGWarhawk]

Okay, I don't know if this is just my dirty imagination, but do you actually mean the torpedos and tubes, or do you mean the "torpedos" and the "tubes"... :haha:



No, you are thinking correctly or 'dirty imagination' as it were! ;) Just a play on words to involk the dirty imagination! :D

[antikristuseke]

So what I've seen this thread boil down to is this. You have the couple of people who have been in the navy, been on a submarine, saying what the women are likely to do and how it would realistically impact the fleet. On the other hand you have the people who haven't been in the navy, who haven't served on a submarine, who don't see the problem with it. Guess you just gotta have a little first hand knowledge of Navy women to know whats gonna happen.

Thats fair enough, I suppose. Still, think those inevitable complications can be ironed out with no loss of the forces fighting ability.

[Jimbuna]

Okay, I don't know if this is just my dirty imagination, but do you actually mean the torpedos and tubes, or do you mean the "torpedos" and the "tubes"... :haha:



I'm not harsh on myself regarding the bad reputation thingy, I actually find it amusing...:D
So why didn't you come? The finances? Or the wife saying no?

Last sentence - ???

25th wedding anniversary, son ordered to join his next vessel at Alaska with minimal notice and daughter commencing sports academy all culminating unexpectedly at the same time.

[FIREWALL]

So Jim... RL kicks you in the seat of the pants too huh ? :haha:

[Onkel Neal]

Excuses, excuses :O:

[Captain Vlad]

So what I've seen this thread boil down to is this. You have the couple of people who have been in the navy, been on a submarine, saying what the women are likely to do and how it would realistically impact the fleet. On the other hand you have the people who haven't been in the navy, who haven't served on a submarine, who don't see the problem with it. Guess you just gotta have a little first hand knowledge of Navy women to know whats gonna happen.

And I guess you have to be a little removed from military 'culture' to realize just how much anyone in uniform tends to bitch about change in what they see as 'the way it ought to be', no matter how many long-term advantages it offers.

Ya' griped about female fighter pilots, but it worked. Ya' griped about female surface ship officers, but it worked. Etc etc etc.

But that's the secret of the US military: get its members to stop griping, and they can make anything work. Step one is always a challenge though.:arrgh!:

[SteamWake]

Ahoy Maities !

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/UlteriorModem/SailorGirl2.jpg

News story on the topic ;)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090928/od_nm/us_submarines_women_odd

[I'm goin' down]

Subsim Naval Intelligence likes our picture better.:D
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj369/wsm24/wave-us-navy-women-3.jpg

[SteamWake]

Looks like a good way to break an ankle those heels.

[Jimbuna]

Excuses, excuses :O:

Wey ya bugga....and you were the first to know/informed http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1853/angry8ro5.gif

Next year the Grey Wolves meet in London (hopefully) and you are the guest of honour.


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ANYONE CONNECTED WITH SS IS MOST WELCOME......BETTER STILL, WE COULD MAKE NEXT YEARS MEET A SS ONE http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2772/thumbsupgv0.gif

[Jimbuna]

So Jim... RL kicks you in the seat of the pants too huh ? :haha:

Well, not really, but I suppose you could say that, seeing as the Gods conspired against me I don't think I had much choice in the end :doh:

What I missed most was meeting Neal and the folk/friends I made in Texas again last year.

I'm generally the first to accuse people of making up bull****ting excuses and took my RL demands a little too seriously as a result at first.

But hey! there is always next year. :DL

At least I didn't spend the time in jail like my friend James/undersealance corporal :hmmm:

If next year in London becomes a reality I would feel as if I'd made up for the despair I felt this year. :up:

[AVGWarhawk]

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_navy_women_t_shirt-p235976091340711936tdan_210.jpg

[Elder-Pirate]

Ya gotta give those "Waves" credit for they helped build and repair planes during WWII

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/Waveairmechs.jpg
WAVES aircraft mechanics working on a SNJ aircraft, Naval Auxiliary Air Station,
Whiting Field, Pensacola, Florida, United States, circa 1943-1945; note Pratt
& Whitney R-1340 Wasp radial engine.


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/Wavesrepairingplane.jpg
WAVES Aviation Machinist's Mates working on a SNJ training plane and its Pratt & Whitney R-1340 radial engine, Naval Air Station, Jacksonville, Florida, United States, 24 July 1943

So why not let them work on our Subs?

Reading this Google page of "Navy women on submarines" sure makes it very believable.

http://www.google.com/search?cf=all&hl=en&q=navy+women+on+submarines

:o :lurk:

[nikimcbee]

Apr 1, 2008 ... Now, however, with the backing of outgoing President George Bush, the Navy plans to get women into submarines and avoid mixing with seamen ...




:haha::har::haha::har::haha:

Sounds like a troupe of baboons that are in heat.:har::har::har::har::har:

[FIREWALL]

:har:Well, not really, but I suppose you could say that, seeing as the Gods conspired against me I don't think I had much choice in the end :doh:

What I missed most was meeting Neal and the folk/friends I made in Texas again last year.

I'm generally the first to accuse people of making up bull****ting excuses and took my RL demands a little too seriously as a result at first.

But hey! there is always next year. :DL

At least I didn't spend the time in jail like my friend James/undersealance corporal :hmmm:

If next year in London becomes a reality I would feel as if I'd made up for the despair I felt this year. :up:

I'll be there with you next time. :up:

To keep OT ... Lets see what happens when the first one gets knocked uo while on patrol. :har:

[Onkel Neal]

Well, not really, but I suppose you could say that, seeing as the Gods conspired against me I don't think I had much choice in the end :doh:

What I missed most was meeting Neal and the folk/friends I made in Texas again last year.

I'm generally the first to accuse people of making up bull****ting excuses and took my RL demands a little too seriously as a result at first.

But hey! there is always next year. :DL

At least I didn't spend the time in jail like my friend James/undersealance corporal :hmmm:

If next year in London becomes a reality I would feel as if I'd made up for the despair I felt this year. :up:

I missed you too, honestly :cry:

In fact, until Horsa showed up, I was ready to declare the meet a failure--no Brits at a Subsim meet? It just ain't right.

Thankfully, Horsa carried the water for all you Brits who cannot travel out of your pwn country :hmmm: I don't wanna hear anymore about Americans don't travel abroad :D

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Believe me! I wanted to go. However, it was far outside the scope of what I could afford to pay... AND I had to study for my certification exam that fell on the weekend of the meet.

I'd have LOVED to have a nice little heart-to-heart conversation with Carotio.

[TLAM Strike]

Cross post from the other thread on this subject (the one with almost no posts)

Of the 42 countries that operate submarines, Sweden, Spain, Norway, Canada and Australia allow women to serve on them...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/25/AR2009092503385.html

One thing that article dosn't mention is that Norway has also had a Female CO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solveig_Krey

BTW Norway operates(ed) Kobben class subs which are about the size of the Control Room of a 688 class sub. So the USN should just ask them how they intergaded woman in to the crew, because whatever problems could crop up in something that size they must have delt with them on the first week.

[SteamWake]

BTW Norway operates(ed) Kobben class subs which are about the size of the Control Room of a 688 class sub. So the USN should just ask them how they intergaded woman in to the crew, because whatever problems could crop up in something that size they must have delt with them on the first month.

Fixed for you :salute:

[TLAM Strike]

Fixed for you :salute: Actually with some recent medical advances that won't even be a problem much longer.

Scientists are almost done devloping a hormone regiment that can suppress a woman's monthly cycle.

[ETR3(SS)]

Just a thought, but how long until they open up the SEALs to women? Opened up everything else why not that?

[Onkel Neal]

Believe me! I wanted to go. However, it was far outside the scope of what I could afford to pay... AND I had to study for my certification exam that fell on the weekend of the meet.

I'd have LOVED to have a nice little heart-to-heart conversation with Carotio.


That's the great thing about these meetings, you really get a chance to know these people we call Subsim guys in a good setting. We all have our quirks and personalities, but I have not found a case yet where I cannot enjoy speaking with another fellow at a meet.

[I'm goin' down]

While you are drinking and partying at the meeting :woot:, the Barbarinna is on Patrol in the Arabian Gulf, saving your asses.:smug:

[antikristuseke]

Just a thought, but how long until they open up the SEALs to women? Opened up everything else why not that?

If they can get through selection, why the hell not?

[Onkel Neal]

If they can get through selection, why the hell not?

As long as they don't lower the selection standards, why not?

[antikristuseke]

Agreed, the standards need to stay as rigorous.

[ETR3(SS)]

As long as they don't lower the selection standards, why not?But you and I both know they will. Everybody bitches that women can do the job just as well as a man. Well if that's the case why do they only need to do 20 sit ups, 30 push ups, AND get an additional 5mins on their run times? Men are required to perform three times as much to pass physical standards. Speaking from personal experience the Navy is full of double standards when it comes to the women. :nope:

[AVGWarhawk]

Everybody bitches that women can do the job just as well as a man.


There are some jobs that women will always do better than men.

[ETR3(SS)]

I don't see there being a market for male egg donors either AVG. :har:

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't see there being a market for male egg donors either AVG. :har:

I was talking about baking cookies :hmmm:

[ETR3(SS)]

Cookies are good, but what about soup?

[Dowly]

Stfu about the soup already!!! :damn:

[AVGWarhawk]

Stfu about the soup already!!! :damn:

What soup:06:

[Dowly]

Aaaaarggggh!!!!! :damn::damn:

[AVGWarhawk]

:O:

Soup anyone? :D

[SteamWake]

It's all about the soup....

[AVGWarhawk]

It's all about the soup....


But of course.....

[AVGWarhawk]

Now it this was about beer and boobs Dowly would be all over it. :03:

[ETR3(SS)]

Dowly's song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgyeshD8RJY

[TarJak]

Now it this was about beer and boobs Dowly would be all over it. :03:Saw this post then got disappointed and depressed at the lack of beer and boobs in this thread. Then my wife made some chicken soup and I felt better.

[Jimbuna]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-angry-weasel-soup.jpg