Justice is served...

[GoldenRivet]

... or PWN3D

either way you want to look at it.

This morning i was called to testify against the individual responsible for our April Car Fires. (see http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=150559 )

In the end, myself and my wife and two other men were called to the stand.

The offender's entire affluent family of apparent overachievers were present and in notable distress over the behavior of their black sheep underachiever son and what the ordeal has surely put them through as well as myself and the other victims in the neighborhood.

im not some bleeding hearts pansy... but i did feel very sorry for his parents. The heart breaking disappointment they must feel - i wouldnt wish on any parent, but in the end this kid is supposedly a "grown man"... and he made the decision to take a bunch of drugs and drink a bunch of alcohol and go out on the town to set vehicles on fire.

the final ruling on this idiot:

10 years probation

during the 10 years he must spend a yet to be determined period of time living in a half way house while his wages are collected by the state and dispersed to the victims in form of restitution.

he is required to undergo regular random drug testing and alcohol testing.

He is required to take AA for the remainder of his life... any absence from a single AA class or any parole violation of any kind or any failure to secure gainful employment to be used to pay restitution in the next 10 years will result in his return to court for automatic sentencing to a term of 20 years in prison per arson offense... a 180 year sentence.

he claims to understand these terms and has even waived his right to any appeal in the event that he violates these terms in any way shape or form.

from the tone of the judges sentencing and the terminology she used... if he so much as farts in public - his ass is going to prison for the remainder of his life.

after the trial was over, the parents approached me with tears flowing. apologetic for their son's crime.

I hope this young 20 year old will "man up" and make something out of himself.

his ordeal is far from over... he has been given a new lease on life so to speak and hasn't even one chance to **** it up. i wished his parents good luck and left the building.

[Dowly]

So.. 10 years without alcohol?

[SteamWake]

Sounds like a reasonable verdict, wether or not it will be enforced is another thing.

These type of probation actions slip through the cracks all the time.

Still you must have some small sense of vindication.

[AVGWarhawk]

So.. 10 years without alcohol?

Either that or get traded for a pack of cigarettes while you are in the slammer for years. :o

[FIREWALL]

Fair sentence. As far as slipping thru the cracks.

The moment your restitution check stops it is your right and Duty to make a phone call.

And it isn't about the money John.

Somebody could have got killed because of his actions.

[HunterICX]

Either that or get traded for a pack of cigarettes while you are in the slammer for years. :o

Dowly would go for the slammer's buttsechs :haha:

HunterICX

[FIREWALL]

Dowly would go for the slammer's buttsechs :haha:

HunterICX

Would Dowly be Filtertip or Barebutt ? :haha:

[Dowly]

DISGUSTING! :stare:

[HunterICX]

DISGUSTING! :stare:

Naaaaah..you'll drink that feeling away :O:

HunterICX

[AVGWarhawk]

DISGUSTING! :stare:

You get no respect brother!

[FIREWALL]

Naaaaah..you'll drink that feeling away :O:

HunterICX

Or Bubba will help you with that. :haha:

[Shearwater]

All in all a fair sentence I should say.
It's just - well, missing a single AA meeting in, say, the next 50 years and he'll end up in jail? It somewhat contradicts the 10 years of probation.
Apart from that, I just hope that he actually has a job and will be able to repay at least a fraction of the damage he has caused. He has already destroyed enough private property, and the very thought of him being on welfare violates my sense of justice.

[GoldenRivet]

Amissing a single AA meeting in, say, the next 50 years and he'll end up in jail?

if he misses an AA meeting while on probation... its jail.

he has x amount of days to secure employment and a number of other stipulations.

[SteamWake]

he has x amount of days to secure employment .

"In this economy" ;)

so it begins.

[OneToughHerring]

Bit strange verdict if you ask me. He gets no immediate jail time meaning he won't have a 'full' criminal record. Hell, maybe no record at all if he can get it expunged later on with the help of family lawyer.

Compare verdicts like this to absolute jail time verdicts that are handed out to many young blacks in the States.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Seems like a pretty fair sentence to me, if a bit light.

I must say I'm impressed at how composed and rational you're being about all this, GR. Am I to understand that you didn't even attempt to sue?
If so, it says a lot about your character. Many people would have been incensed over that vedict and would have demanded civil restitutions as well, but you.....you just say what's done is done and even empathize with that idiot's parents? Very noble of you, GR. Good show:salute:

[GoldenRivet]

Bit strange verdict if you ask me. He gets no immediate jail time meaning he won't have a 'full' criminal record. Hell, maybe no record at all if he can get it expunged later on with the help of family lawyer.

Compare verdicts like this to absolute jail time verdicts that are handed out to many young blacks in the States.

he will be in jail for the next 90 days while everything is set in motion.

@Lance

thanks, i felt sorrow for his family... it could have been any one of us with a black sheep of the family member such as a cousin or brother or sister facing the next 20 years in prison. it was emotional for his parents who have no disagreement over the fact that their son is a moron underachiever - but he is still their son.

personally i'm just ready to be done with it.

and even if i were to sue... the young man is the type to not have a pot to piss in anyhow so to speak.

[Falkirion]

At least that ruling is reasonable. But I do think missing one AA meeting in the next 50 years is just a little on the harsh side of things.

If this bloke had've done this down here. Probably half that, maximum I reckon of about 5 years in jail. Or he might've avoided it entirely and had to work off a court order. Yeah the Australian court system is a pansy's system.

[Castout]

Glad the matter is resolved. I would be mad if I saw my car set on fire without reason:stare: or even with reason.

[GoldenRivet]

At least that ruling is reasonable. But I do think missing one AA meeting in the next 50 years is just a little on the harsh side of things.

**ATTENTION**ATTENTION**ATTENTION**


ITS ONE AA MEETING DURING THE PROBATIONARY PERIOD

HAHAHAHA

I dont know where this idea of missing one for 50 years comes from:doh:

[GoldenRivet]

"In this economy" ;)

The local economy is booming.

and with his GED he should be a shoe in for nearly any of the thousands of fast food joints in the area :haha:

[Shearwater]

I dont know where this idea of missing one for 50 years comes from:doh:

From the original post:

He is required to take AA for the remainder of his life... any absence from a single AA class or any parole violation of any kind or any failure to secure gainful employment to be used to pay restitution in the next 10 years will result in his return to court for automatic sentencing to a term of 20 years in prison per arson offense... a 180 year sentence.

So I thought that he had to go to every AA meeting until he dies and, assuming an average life expectancy of around 70 years, he would have 50 years left as a 20-year old.
But then one AA meeting during his probation is as good as nothing.

[August]

It's not supposed to be easy. He's basically being given a chance to square himself away but he's going to have to work for it.

[SteamWake]

It's not supposed to be easy. He's basically being given a chance to square himself away but he's going to have to work for it.

Wait a minute wont our goverment help him out?

[GoldenRivet]

He is required to take AA for the remainder of his life... any absence from a single AA class or any parole violation of any kind or any failure to secure gainful employment to be used to pay restitution in the next 10 years...



Read that original post once more Shearwater. :yeah:

I bolded the part i think you missed.

after his ten year probation he can drop trou and piss all over the AA room if he wants.

[Shearwater]

Got it :up:
Seems to be a reasonable verdict then - at least if it makes him realize how close he got (and still is) to actual imprisonment.