Hey UK you're irrelevant !

[SteamWake]

At least the current administration seems to think so.

Gordon Brown lurched from being hailed as a global statesman to intense embarrassment tonight, after it emerged US President Barack Obama had turned down no fewer than five requests from Downing Street to hold a bilateral meeting at the United Nations in New York or at the G20 summit starting in Pittsburgh today.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/sep/23/barack-obama-gordon-brown-talks

[Oberon]

It's Gordon Brown, even his own people think he's irrelevant.

Can't blame Obama for not wanting to talk to him, the guy has as much life as a dead raddish.

[jumpy]

Can anyone say 'Special Relationship'?

Oberon is quite right, there's not many folk here who have any respect or time for winky.

[Dowly]

Cant anyone kick him out?

[Oberon]

Cant anyone kick him out?

We didn't even vote him in! :haha: He won't make it through the next election, you could probably put money on it. I'd say that the Tories will make a comeback next year, and they're not much better. All a bit rock and hard place really.

[JU_88]

We didn't even vote him in! :haha: He won't make it through the next election, you could probably put money on it. I'd say that the Tories will make a comeback next year, and they're not much better. All a bit rock and hard place really.

Camerons a dick, Im not a fan of brown either but the Tories suck balls! :down:
In the trash they posted though our door, they refered to the Bankers recession as: 'gordon browns' recession.
That statment alone is grounds enough to never vote for them, EVER!
How dare they insult the voters intelligence with that kind of slander!

Cant be bothered with politicians anymore, they lie, lie, and lie some more.
they make half their decisions based on self intreast anf financial incentives.

In our so called Democracy we have 2 major Political parties, One one screws up? the opposition claims they can do it better,
so we vote them in, when nothing changes they blame it on 'mess' left behind by their predecessors. :stare:

Repeat the above for eternity.

... and they wonder why so many young people dont bother registering on the electorial role. :doh:

[Hakahura]

Hey UK you're irrelevant!

Close
I think it's just the 1 eyed porridge gobbler who's irrelevant!
He's out of a job in less than a year and a walking political corpse.
He never won an election, or a mandate to govern and never will.
If I were in Obama's shoes I wouldn't want to talk to him either.
I wouldn't talk to him in my own shoes FFS.
Hopefully once the useless parasitic retards gone we'll be back to business as usual.
Do I hate Brown?
Damn right I do.



End rant.

[KPT.H0LZ]

Fair play to Obama, he realises Gordon Brown has the life expectancy of a Cream cake at weight-watchers!

[SteamWake]

Fair play to Obama, he realises Gordon Brown has the life expectancy of a Cream cake at weight-watchers!

LOL his second post and made me laugh :salute:

Welcome btw

[XabbaRus]

Hmm I don't know what to make of this.

When I hear 'special relationship' I cringe.

Then again this isn't the first time Obama has been like this with the UK. May I remind you of the Churchill bust being sent back and the embarrassing presents for the Brown kids.

Sure I don't like Brown, and I think Cameron will be better. We need a change. However is this substantiated? I dunno..Personnally though I don't think this is a case of the UK being irrelevant but Obama looking down his nose. I'm getting fed up hearing about him now, he seems to be on our tele more than Brown is....

Seriously even over here it is Obama this, Obama that, oh isn't he lovely, he will save the world. Yea sure his talks with Russia over nukes is good, but I'm fed up of hearing about him....

[Shearwater]

Starting a thread about the UK is definitely giving that country too much attention.




;)
My impression is just that in O.'s opinion Brown's a lame duck and that his days are numbered. Perhaps the financial crisis did help him a bit, but it can't last much longer than this.

[antikristuseke]

We didn't even vote him in! :haha: He won't make it through the next election, you could probably put money on it. I'd say that the Tories will make a comeback next year, and they're not much better. All a bit rock and hard place really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoBHLCfpSZA

[Oberon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoBHLCfpSZA

:har::har::har::up:

[danlisa]

Ooo.:o

Politics within Politics......

Riveting.:yawn:

[Skybird]

Reasons I could imagine:

1. As already said, there is nothing to be gained from being associated with Brown. quite the opposite.

2. It is a payback for the way London handled the Scottish release of the Lybian bomber.

3. Brown very likely sought support from the US for Britain blocking European attempts to tighten control of the financial business, which bankers in London do not want to hear of at all, since they have not learned anything, act as before again, and Hedgefonds already are marching again, with bank advisors throughout Europe already acting even worse than before the crisis. Not even the American government support that British attitude, and maybe this is Obama's way to tell Brown that he has to deal with the Europeans all alone on this.

4. Obama's pro-europe attitude is massively overestimated. Obama, different to his public image, is a relatively cold personality, not much interested in personal and warm relations to those officials he has to meet. He uses political representatives as he sees fit, personal warm relations he does not see as a precondition for that. Also, he has no special sympathy or feeling for Europe, since he has no relations whatever to it. It is very likely therefore that the European and especially British posture of always conjuring the close ties between America and Europe - simply are something he cannot perceive as something he wants to personally get involved with, not beyond the pragmatic and opportune use of that phrase in speeches.

5. And finally, the headline of the thread holds a grain of truth, too. Britain is not that important anymore. All Europe is not that important for America anymore. Obama has very clearly shifted American focus further to the Pacific and ME than any president before him, and sees greater priority in improving ties with Russia and China. Strategically he is absolutely right in doing so, since the potential Europe means is waining, not growing. That he did so in a less sensational and obvious way than others did and would have done in his place, does not change the deed's meaning. That he did it so silently only helped to keep European protest at a minimum. Most of European politicians do not even wish to see it.

There will be a day when America already will be happy with an Euroislamistan just not messing things up again and just not getting in the way while America sets eyes on the real important fields of global chess. And who would criticise the US for that. I can't.

[AVGWarhawk]

It's Bush's fault. :03:

[XabbaRus]

Reasons I could imagine:


There will be a day when America already will be happy with an Euroislamistan just not messing things up again and just not getting in the way while America sets eyes on the real important fields of global chess. And who would criticise the US for that. I can't.

Ah, reading through your last paragraph I was just waiting for the islamisation bit of europe to pop up.

Considering that financial services make up 15% of Britains GDP rightly or wrongly do you not expect the UK bankers to not defend their competitive advantage and see it all shift to Frankfurt.

[Skybird]

Ah, reading through your last paragraph I was just waiting for the islamisation bit of europe to pop up.

Considering that financial services make up 15% of Britains GDP rightly or wrongly do you not expect the UK bankers to not defend their competitive advantage and see it all shift to Frankfurt.

It wouldn't shift to Frankfurt. And if Britain does not care to change its money making, so that it continues to run at the cost and risk of all the rest of the globe, you should not wonder if the others are a bit pissed. even more so when considering that these very rules, or better: the lack of rules, have caused the mess of the past 12 months. that banks mjist accept greater shares in the risks of their business models, only makes sense, btw. It cannot be that they can privatize all wins but can externalise all risks and losses to the tax payers.

Of the islamisation and it's strategic effect in and for Europe you certainly can think what you want, but it is a fact you have to take into account when contemplating about Europe's future and the role it will or will not play in the world. Think tanks in the US do that since longer for sure, so do various centres of strategic studies around the world. Maybe they know something that you don't want to know...? ;)

[Tribesman]

Ah, reading through your last paragraph I was just waiting for the islamisation bit of europe to pop up.

But its true, it isn't a crazy conspiracy theory. Europe is going to come under minority rule just like South Africa used to be

[XabbaRus]

No Skybird you just write as if you have all the answers and that you are right and others are wrong.

I don't agree with your analysis of Islam in Europe and opinion of muslims in general, in fact I feel your opinion borders on irrational.

Also I can't help but shake the feeling that you think British bankers are all the baddies and that somehow German ones are saints.

[Jimbuna]

Reverting back to the original topic point:

Obame probably snubbed Brown because of the release of the Libyan bomber.

[Skybird]

No Skybird you just write as if you have all the answers and that you are right and others are wrong.

I don't agree with your analysis of Islam in Europe and opinion of muslims in general, in fact I feel your opinion borders on irrational.

Fine, you can think that, but I base on the very ideologic basis of islamic teachings, and these teachings do not get defined by western pacifists, but by the quran and sharia. Anybody discussing about Islam and leaving this basis out, and being ignorrant to the demographic and poltiical trends, is the irrational here. I am a little bit tired of europeans claiming they know better what Islam is than Islam itself. Too often we have seen islamic represeantives of any kind telling them most obvious hostile words int heir very face, and still they replied that that would not be Islam. western constoitutions and humanistic values and freedoms, and Islam, are incompatible. You can see that, or you can ignore that, or you can not believe that, but that's how it is.

Also I can't help but shake the feeling that you think British bankers are all the baddies and that somehow German ones are saints.

A feeling that is quite widespread. You just should hear the german finance minister attacking the city of London and the bankers repeatedly in the past weeks. Or listen to the French, the Spanish. It simply is a fact that Britain has tried to brake, brake, brake any attempts for more control of banker's businesses, and to limit boni. London, both the banker'S and the government's London, wanted business as usual, means business as before the crisis. that is wanted by German banks as well (you just should hear some comments of German bankers to Pittsburgh), the difference is that what bankers wanted got not such a warm defence by politicians over here.

the results of Pittsburgh are tame, imo, and are open for further watering-down.

Tax payers in our nations have to pay the bill for bankers running amok and doing business as if playing with plastic chips in a casino. And this criminal way of doing business has to stop, any way to brign that under control would seem to be acceptable to me. no major nation where not dozens and hindreds of billions got sunk for comensating the mess created by this business. Latest example is from America the hearing over the TARP which has not acchieved what it should, and will not be payed back as planned. hundreds of billions lost to the US tax payer. Or germany, HRE, another three digit billion number of headless money annihilation.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/government-watchdog-extremely-taxpayers-recoup-tarp-money/story?id=8654889

Yes, the banking business is a very bad thing, with American and British "products" and ideas having shaped and dominated the way global banking is doing business since the 80s, and having acted and already acting again beyond all reason. In fact, the modern form of capitalism is more associated with the anglosaxon thinking than with any other culture. Anglosaxon economic models have dominated economic thinking since decades.

Tests by consumer protection organisations, btw, have shown that customer advisors of almost all banks now act even more unscrupelous in manipulating their customers as before the crisis, and again encourage maximum risk strategies and products to people not able to assess what it is. A fool who thinks the banks would lanr their lessons if not being pressed for it, and would regulate themselves successfully if not being forced to do.

There must be consequences from the crisis we are now in - because the next one already is in the making and is already raising it's head at the horizon. The above article on the TARP hearing also incidactes that, and it is not the only hint you can get.

[SteamWake]

Reverting back to the original topic point:

Obame probably snubbed Brown because of the release of the Libyan bomber.

A noble attempt :salute::rotfl2:

[Tribesman]

Obame probably snubbed Brown because of the release of the Libyan bomber.
The thing with that though is that it would have been a lot worse for Britain and America if the appeal had gone ahead.
Releasing the person convicted of the bombing was the price of stopping the conviction being very publicly ripped apart.


Anybody discussing about Islam and leaving this basis out, and being ignorrant to the demographic and poltiical trends, is the irrational here.
Ah the demographic and political trends , that sounds like it comes straight from Bat Ye'ors top selling conspiracy theory.:har::har::har:
But lets check out demographics, leaving aside that most of the figures put out by people who rant about the islamification of europe are simply invented figures that have no bearing on reality, so lets try some demographics to prove a religious take over.
In 1992 no european country had census returns showing the existance of any Jedis whatsoever living there, 10 years later they were getting figures close to 1% in some countries. This proves that such a massive increase will inevitavbly lead to Jedis becoming the majority in a very short time and making everyone live under the laws of the force.
Unless of course the newly emergent Pastafarians with their god of the noodley appendages continue their meteoric rise in which case everyone in Europe will have to dress as pirates.

[XabbaRus]

lol ha ha ha that's a good one...

[Tribesman]

lol ha ha ha that's a good one...
Well its easy to rip apart those demographics scare stories , its not like they are something new is it.
Lets take Britain for example, not long ago the british government did a big scare about how britain would soon be a country where "white" british people would be a minority...
by not long ago I mean back in the 1500s.

[Skybird]

Strange to mistake skin colour with ideology, and race with religion. But very opportune, and practiced by routine by defenders of european islamisation. Never forget little children: being critical of religion in general is a hate crime, and being critical of Islamic totalitarianism is racism.

[Tribesman]

Strange to mistake skin colour with ideology, and race with religion.
Would you like a more recent version?
Like perhaps the crazy BUF claiming about the demographic timebomb which meant that London would become a Jewish ghetto with Jewish law that they would impose on all Londoners.
Its funny that, they followed an ideology that was quite popular in your neck of the woods at the time didn't they.

defenders of european islamisation.
What islamisation of europe? you are spouting the same sort of conspiracy nonsense that there is in the protocols of the elders.

[nikimcbee]

Can anyone say 'Special Relationship'?

Oberon is quite right, there's not many folk here who have any respect or time for winky.

What about Steed?:haha:


I guess this is the time for Scotland and Wales to break away:salute:.
We need some new episodes for Battlefield: Britain anyway.:haha:

[XabbaRus]

Well Wales could go but we would wipe them out....

Scotland, well I live there and I'm English.....

Personally up in my neck of the woods if the SNP got their way then I think things could get dicey.

Although I have never had any anti-englishness the NE of Scotland is SNP heartland and most of teh Bravehearts come from here so I do fear there would be anti-englishness coming out of the woodwork especially if teh economy tanks upon independence which it would.

In fact this is where Alex "Shrek" Salmond has a perfect out. What ever happens on gaining independece if Scotland succeeds he can bask in glory, if Scotland fails he can blame the English. Don't let his rhetoric fool you, the SNP is essentially a racist party.