Suicides don't go to heaven but murder's do?

[Platapus]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/23/florida.family.dead/index.html

Dad admits killings to reporters, blames crime on 'spirit'



A Florida man admitted to reporters that he killed his wife and five "innocent" children, adding that he wants to be executed "right away" so he can be buried with them on Saturday.

Mesac Damas spoke with reporters in Haiti, saying a "spirit" drove him to kill his wife and children.




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Mesac Damas, 32, said he wanted to take his own life, but did not have the courage to go through with it, "because if you kill yourself, you're not going to heaven."

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But if you murder your wife and children you think you will go to heaven???


Jus not understandin this :06:

[August]

Jus not understandin this :06:

Count yourself lucky then Platapus. If you did you'd be as looney as he is... :DL

[UnderseaLcpl]

This belief has its' roots in the Catholic Church of the Dark and Middle Ages, as I understand it. I do not claim to be an expert in current or historical Catholic belief but I believe that St. Thomas Aquinas had something to do with this sort of thing, and that the machinations of the church at that time turned suicide into a sort of business. Given that the man lives in Haiti, there is a strong possibility that he is Catholic.

This is only my opinion, based upon what I have heard, but the Catholic Church used to allow family members of the departed to purchase "indulgences" for the departed. This was a major factor when it came to suicides, as the suicidal generally did not confess their sins and affirm their faith in Jesus Christ before they died. Even if they did confess and repent their sins, they would have one sin they could repent for: suicide.
The burden of repentance would then fall to their family members. If they did not have any family members to inherit their property, it became the property of the Church as a form of indulgence, as any unwilled posessions were supposed to "go to God" (in the form of the church, of course).

Though that is only my opinion, I am inclined to believe that it is mostly based in fact because of the Catholic Church's longstanding tradition of taking the property of those who died and left no heirs. The Inquisition is a good example of this, as is the practice of avoiding marriage to up to 4th-degree cousins.

That last part bears a bit of explaining. During the dark and middle ages, overland transportation was extremely limited, and even coastal sea travel was hazardous. The length and hazards of long-distance travel at the time made choices amongst marriage partners difficult once the church imposed its' sanction. Couple that with the constant feuds between noble houses of differing (or even vaguely similar lineage), and the high infant mortality rate, and you have a foolproof recipe for a constant transfer of heirless property to the Church. Furthermore, consider the patriarchal lineage that most houses used, and the frequency of death amongst nobles (all men, amazingly) who went to battle.

Knowing what I do of you, Platapus, it should be no great logical leap for you to understand exactly how this man arrived in his situation, given the information I have provided. That however, is not to say that I am correct, only that my advice on the subject should be fairly clear.

In any case, I still stand as a proud member of the protestant sect. Surely our reinterpretation of the Cotholic beliefs and practices cannot be wrong, right?:DL

[HunterICX]

But if you murder your wife and children you think you will go to heaven???


Jus not understandin this :06:

He probally missed the part where you actually go to hell and get hot pokers up your arse till the end of times.

HunterICX

[Stealth Hunter]

This belief has its' roots in the Catholic Church of the Dark and Middle Ages, as I understand it. I do not claim to be an expert in current or historical Catholic belief but I believe that St. Thomas Aquinas had something to do with this sort of thing, and that the machinations of the church at that time turned suicide into a sort of business. Given that the man lives in Haiti, there is a strong possibility that he is Catholic.

This is only my opinion, based upon what I have heard, but the Catholic Church used to allow family members of the departed to purchase "indulgences" for the departed. This was a major factor when it came to suicides, as the suicidal generally did not confess their sins and affirm their faith in Jesus Christ before they died. Even if they did confess and repent their sins, they would have one sin they could repent for: suicide.
The burden of repentance would then fall to their family members. If they did not have any family members to inherit their property, it became the property of the Church as a form of indulgence, as any unwilled posessions were supposed to "go to God" (in the form of the church, of course).

Though that is only my opinion, I am inclined to believe that it is mostly based in fact because of the Catholic Church's longstanding tradition of taking the property of those who died and left no heirs. The Inquisition is a good example of this, as is the practice of avoiding marriage to up to 4th-degree cousins.

That last part bears a bit of explaining. During the dark and middle ages, overland transportation was extremely limited, and even coastal sea travel was hazardous. The length and hazards of long-distance travel at the time made choices amongst marriage partners difficult once the church imposed its' sanction. Couple that with the constant feuds between noble houses of differing (or even vaguely similar lineage), and the high infant mortality rate, and you have a foolproof recipe for a constant transfer of heirless property to the Church. Furthermore, consider the patriarchal lineage that most houses used, and the frequency of death amongst nobles (all men, amazingly) who went to battle.

Knowing what I do of you, Platapus, it should be no great logical leap for you to understand exactly how this man arrived in his situation, given the information I have provided. That however, is not to say that I am correct, only that my advice on the subject should be fairly clear.

In any case, I still stand as a proud member of the protestant sect. Surely our reinterpretation of the Cotholic beliefs and practices cannot be wrong, right?:DL

This. To add a few details, it wasn't originally a sin to commit suicide in the early Dark Ages. The serfs were promised all sorts of rewards in the after life, but they had to work hard. And they serfs, as we all know, worked for the nobles- which also consisted of clergymen for a long time (before there was a definitive split). Life basically sucked as a serf, and as time went on, they figured out "Why should we work our asses off here and now when we could just skip that by killing ourselves and getting the eternal rewards?".

So as suicides began becoming more and more common, the Catholic Church decreed it to be a sin- and that one would be sent straight to hell for wasting the lord's gift of life. They kept their workforce strong and were able to keep on making money. The nobles also convinced the clergy to work towards making it a sin as well, especially the Frankish ones.

[Reece]

You are right August, I'm a Christian but this guy's a total nut case,:88) wouldn't want to be in his shoes on Judgment day!!:DL You have to wonder what goes on in the minds of people like this!!:-?

[Letum]

May he stay on death row just long enough to be cured of his suicidal tendencies.

[SteamWake]

Its Hati for cryin out loud.

[GoldenRivet]

I believe in a supreme being.

that said.

I think that a large part of the heaven and hell concept and most of the precepts of religion were created by powerful men who desired to exert control over the masses.

I also think that most religions have been perverted by mankind over the course of human existence.

I also think that religion is one of the chief causes for strife and war on earth.

i do believe there is an afterlife. as to what the after life entails - beats the crap outta me.

If you subscribe to the Christian school of though which is basically...

"God loves us and wants us to be happy... he loved us all so much that he sent down his only son to be murdered for our salvation."

that's pretty big... God must really love us if he would put his own son through a grueling, agonizing death right?

well, if God loves us that much it really seems like a waste to damn us to an eternity in hell fire for doing something like stealing, adultery, envy etc.

however i do believe that there are certain unforgivable offenses.

Murder is one of them.

I also believe that there are very specific circles of hell... each one growing more and more severe, relentless and vile than the last.

There is such a thing as spiritual law... and there is such a thing as spiritual justice.

the heaven or hell concept doesnt fly with me because God is infinitely more pure, loving, forgiving, just, and knowing than man....

... man has scales of punishment... so wouldnt God?

for example, if you are caught stealing someones big screen TV you're going to spend a couple of years in jail and probably some community service etc.

its not an instant death sentence.

the judge over the case doesnt decide between

no punishment or life in prison.

he has options and levels of punishment... as would you likley have in the afterlife.

im just sayin

[Castout]

I'm a Catholic myself.

I am a witness of Christ too :). It was a long time ago about 17 years ago when God in His pity gave me a clear vision of Christ while I was fully awaken, well I did ask to be allowed to see the real face of Jesus. What I saw didn't match my idea of Jesus though. Though later I found out from the bible that confirmed what I was shown. I saw Christ as a 'person' whose face shone a very bright white light. The light was immense and that's an euphemism. A hundred sun would not even match the intensity of the light. The light was such that His entire figure was enveloped in the light which was coming out from His face. It was Christ. I didn't hear any words spoken though.
I don't care if anybody mock or ridicule me because I'm not making this up nor I was delusional. It wasn't satan either since I was only allowed to see what I saw after God literally gave me an out of this world love for Jesus.

In time I found out more about God well I don't know everything about God [obviously] but I'm fortunate enough to be given the knowledge of death, just last year actually. I know most people would think it's BS again but I don't care. Anyway I searched the bible for what was shown to me and has since written a simple document on death. If anybody is interested I could give you that document. The death that was shown to me doesn't actually conform to the mainstream modern Christian belief. It is however written clearly in the bible and the muslim qur'an(to my surprise, thanks to a muslim who read what I wrote in one of the Christian forum and wrote back to me). Most Christian which I testified to would reject it and a lot would simply ignore it. I just want to say treasure your life :03:. What is given to each man is TIME and only TIME. Death will be the last enemy of Christ to be defeated.

Because Jesus said whatever told to you in a whisper shout it out from the rooftop!

[Morts]

because I'm not making this up nor I was delusional.




Riiight :rotfl2::rotfl2:

[clive bradbury]

He probally missed the part where you actually go to hell and get hot pokers up your arse till the end of times.

HunterICX

...better than living in Haiti...

[Stealth Hunter]

I'm a Catholic myself.

I am a witness of Christ too :). It was a long time ago about 17 years ago when God in His pity gave me a clear vision of Christ while I was fully awaken, well I did ask to be allowed to see the real face of Jesus. What I saw didn't match my idea of Jesus though. Though later I found out from the bible that confirmed what I was shown. I saw Christ as a 'person' whose face shone a very bright white light. The light was immense and that's an euphemism. A hundred sun would not even match the intensity of the light. The light was such that His entire figure was enveloped in the light which was coming out from His face. It was Christ. I didn't hear any words spoken though.
I don't care if anybody mock or ridicule me because I'm not making this up nor I was delusional. It wasn't satan either since I was only allowed to see what I saw after God literally gave me an out of this world love for Jesus.

In time I found out more about God well I don't know everything about God [obviously] but I'm fortunate enough to be given the knowledge of death, just last year actually. I know most people would think it's BS again but I don't care. Anyway I searched the bible for what was shown to me and has since written a simple document on death. If anybody is interested I could give you that document. The death that was shown to me doesn't actually conform to the mainstream modern Christian belief. It is however written clearly in the bible and the muslim qur'an(to my surprise, thanks to a muslim who read what I wrote in one of the Christian forum and wrote back to me). Most Christian which I testified to would reject it and a lot would simply ignore it. I just want to say treasure your life :03:. What is given to each man is TIME and only TIME. Death will be the last enemy of Christ to be defeated.

Because Jesus said whatever told to you in a whisper shout it out from the rooftop!

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[Dowly]

How the hell did I miss this one! :haha:

[Castout]

Riiight :rotfl2::rotfl2:

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Hmmm I can assure you that I would even pass a lie detector if tested on this matter. So it's either I'm a complete delusional or HONEST. There's a saying or idiom in science or investgation that most people seem to have forgotten: When you have eliminated the impossible(those that have proved wrong), whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

So before you dismiss something without basis and only under assumptions you're not being logical at all.
Whatever, the most important thing is I have testified whether people accept it is their own business. I'm not looking for recognition or anything like that at all. In fact Had I wanted recognition I would probably have preferred not to testify at all.

And who the hell define what is real or not? Mass or the majority of people's experience?
That wouldn't be wise wouldn't it?
Couple centuries ago most people thought the world was flat. So do you think that the world is flat was a reality even then when most people believe it?
Pushed further back in time most people thought the sun was traveling in the sky or that the earth was the center of the universe and every astronomical object revolves around it. Does majority belief make them a reality even then?
So what is reality?

If you define reality as things perceived by you alone(or even by your own family or by your own tribe, etc) then it's very subjective isn't it but if you define it as the majority of people belief and or perception then it can be misleading. No one man knows everything in an objective way. We each one of us is conditioned by our personal and subjective experience such that no man can claim to have known reality at all unless that man claims to have known everything! We CERTAINLY can't tell what is real or not for sure with respect to what other people are experiencing without a thorough investigation and even investigation could fail to reveal the truth behind.

Sometime ago atom was defined as the smallest particle of a mass then now we have identified sub atomic particles.
I'm saying that even our knowledge(science) things that we have proved by the mantra of logical discernment is DYNAMIC and CHANGING due to the fact that we are GROWING in knowledge. So today knowledge could be a past misconception tomorrow and vice versa.

I read a sad story in the newspaper sometime ago about a child or toddler being raised by cats. She behaved just like cats. So to her reality she was a cat. Does that make it true?

[Letum]

Just for my curiosity, could you tell me about your sig' Castout?

I'm a victim of grave abuses from psychopathic people in power in Singapore who used remote viewer(s) to spy and to terrorize innocent. All abuses are to convince people I'm mentally ill(schizophrenic) to cover their grave evil. Remote viewing is not merely about seeing and is not a far off fiction. It's a fact. They even went as far as claiming my [invisible] doctor to have declared me fit again to resume my study.

[Castout]

Just for my curiosity, could you tell me about your sig' Castout?

Well I don't mind only if you're sincerely interested. PM me and I'll respond. It's an ordeal that caused me so far my life and health. I don't expect anybody to give care I only put my sig for those who knows and Ive learned silence IS NOT gold.

Basically I went through a horrific ordeal in 2002 caused by people in power in Singapore while I was doing my tertiary education there. In the end I was starved and refused call in their hospital for 3 days (until I was so thin) with a broken hand and injury to my spine and was only given food after I demanded to them as I was fed up being starved and it was a public hospital so I potentially could attract attention. I've been defamed as being schizophrenic which is of course a lie to cover up the ordeal.

I determined to refuse to cooperate by refusing to take the supposedly medication entirely otherwise people wouldn't believe me and went on to do another tertiary education(a wholly another degree) this time in my home country Indonesia to finish. I have hobbies such as modeling kit that is impossible to do by a schizophrenic sufferer.

All things that I've done proved that I'm not suffering from schizophrenia. You know lies NEVER STAND. The only way lie could stand is by the support of another lies Ha ha. The university which I studied in in Singapore sent me a fake letter about 2 years after I had started my study locally claiming that my doctor had declared me fit to resume my study and I wasn't seeing any doctor so it must have been another lie. It's been painful. Of course my grades got a special treatment too while studying in local university through grade manipulation which brought down my index quite a bit. It's a shame but the shame is not on me.

I've even come to believe that my own family are in this. They wouldn't want to listen to me at all. It's obvious to me that they are afraid very afraid. My own mother once yelled at me that I could become destitute [for not cooperating/yielding] Hahah and it was when I was still studying in a local university and of course she would never admit to have said that as she always dismissed other things that she actually said that hurt me. The only way I could be free is probably by obtaining asylum and moved to another country far away from Singapore influence. I've learned that Singapore has a lot to say in my home country.

[Weigh-Man]

Just for my curiosity, could you tell me about your sig' Castout?

I bet you wish you hadn't asked now.:eek:

[Stealth Hunter]

There's a saying or idiom in science or investgation that most people seem to have forgotten: When you have eliminated the impossible(those that have proved wrong), whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
So before you dismiss something without basis and only under assumptions you're not being logical at all.

Actually that's not an idiom of scientific investigation. Not even logical really when you think about it. You sound as naiive as Victor Zammit on his afterlife ramblings. Science dictates that you must have evidence to back up what you're saying; otherwise, you're nothing but talk. In short, you're claiming that you saw Jesus and that he does exist because you saw him- nothing more. I could claim that I saw the Flying Spaghetti Monster last night and that because I saw him he exists. But that would be all talk and no empirical substance, now wouldn't it? The burden of proof rests with you- the person who is asserting that something exists and is factual.

Science doesn't even bother commenting on such irrational and comical things as the supernatural anyway. Ghosts, magic and witchcraft, angels and demons . . . These things are fun to believe in, but they don't exist. Not in this reality anyway. Plenty of people claim they exist, but that's all they do. They never prove their existence with experiments or tests.

And no- I am being logical, as well as rational. And the simple fact of the matter is you are claiming that you saw an apparition of Jesus without providing any evidence for your statement. Then you claim that he exists and is as real as the rest of us are. You expect us to take your word for granted, but why should we? You've given us no reason to.

Oh- and here's one of Zammit's videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG3bGqFr9uc&feature=channel_page

Whatever, the most important thing is I have testified whether people accept it is their own business.

If you presented this kind of a testimony in front of a court, everybody in the room would burst out into laughter. Because it would not be practical! Like I said, you'd be expecting us all to just take your word for it. That kind of logic would be getting convicted murderers out of prison. They said that they didn't do it, so they must be telling the truth. Ignore all the contradicting evidence; let 'em go, baliff! With you, you're asking us to ignore your astounding LACK of evidence.

I'm not looking for recognition or anything like that at all. In fact Had I wanted recognition I would probably have preferred not to testify at all.

Then why bother bringing it up? You've either got some underlying motive here or you're out of your damn mind if you think you saw a magic man who's supposedly been dead for 2,000 years according to a book that says the planet is 6,000 years old and we all came from two people who damned our entire species because the woman, made from the man's rib (who was made from dust), took and ate an apple from a cursed tree at the will of a talking snake who was really an evil guy named Satan in control of the domain of the damned- Hell-- with a ball of light for a head.

And who the hell define what is real or not? Mass or the majority of people's experience?

How about facts? They're undeniable. Well- you can deny them, but you'd be incorrect to do so. For example, gravity is real. Throw something into the air and watch it fall. At 9.81 meters per second squared. I am real. I think, I breathe, I need to eat and drink or else I'll die, and I've been roaming the earth for 53 years as a member of the species we call Homo sapien. This planet is real. You walk upon the ground and feel its hard surface beneath your feet; you breathe the oxygen that makes up 21% of it's atmosphere. You know with this kind of "Is this real?" thinking, you should write a book that's a sequel to Alice in Wonderland.

That wouldn't be wise wouldn't it?

Relying on words alone and not empirical confirmation wouldn't be wise...:shifty:

Couple centuries ago most people thought the world was flat.

Actually, we've known since Copernicus' time that the planet was not flat. Thanks to the Church, however, and the statements in the Bible about Earth's place in the universe and solar system, it was punishable by death to say otherwise... because you were "contradicting God's divinity". They'd burn men of science at the stake because they were heretics challenging their childish and ancient mythological ideas with actual proof, instead of relying solely on the words of a fairy tale book.

So do you think that the world is flat was a reality even then when most people believe it?

No- because I'd be one of the people asking, "Where's your proof for this?"

I'd be executed as a heretic for this, along with other men of science, but there's a time to stand up for what you believe in a put your principles above personal gain.

Pushed further back in time most people thought the sun was traveling in the sky or that the earth was the center of the universe and every astronomical object revolves around it.

Yeah- we call those people "philosophers". Even they thought that either a heliocentric or geocentric solar system was possible. Why Plato even argued it in his student lectures about astronomy.

Does majority belief make them a reality even then?

Nope. Does the majority of belief in a Christian god make it reality?

Nope. Belief does not constitute fact. Never. Belief is nothing more than a form of opinion.

So what is reality?

The state of existence within this dimension; i.e. gravity exists, the solar system exists, animals exist, etc.

If you define reality as things perceived by you alone(or even by your own family or by your own tribe, etc) then it's very subjective isn't it but if you define it as the majority of people belief and or perception then it can be misleading.

Which is why we don't define it as that. Which is why some people carry out the scientific method to determine what exists and what doesn't, and to understand its existence (niche in the structure of existence, if you will). Does an experiment support or refute a hypothesis? How many experiments are there that confirm the hypothesis? What evidence exists for the hypothesis? These are questions scientists ask all the time.

No one man knows everything in an objective way.

Yeah, and? Nobody would ever be stupid enough to claim this.

We each one of us is conditioned by our personal and subjective experience such that no man can claim to have known reality at all unless that man claims to have known everything!

Exactly why people don't claim that you're right or wrong when you make a claim that you're able to perform telekenesis, or in your case have seen Jesus. We simple ask, "Where's your evidence?" You've either got it or you don't. If you don't, then there's no valid reason to believe you. It's contradictory, actually.

We CERTAINLY can't tell what is real or not for sure with respect to what other people are experiencing without a thorough investigation and even investigation could fail to reveal the truth behind.

I can tell that someone here has been neglecting to take their meds... your previous statements have made it quite clear that you have no concept at all of what existence within the universe is or reality. Bandying words aside, you can tell what is real or not for sure. You do it by performing a test. If someone asserts something as fact, you ask for their evidence. If they don't have any, then you can always test what they're proclaiming as fact. That guy who claimed he could move objects with his mind (which he dubbed the "Hutchinson Effect") was tested by being given various items- which he was then told to move with his mind. He couldn't. The simple conclusion: he cannot move objects with his mind. Nobody can. He's a human, just like the rest of us. If you think somebody else can, go out and prove it. This isn't rocket science; it's very basic high school science know-how.

Sometime ago atom was defined as the smallest particle of a mass then now we have identified sub atomic particles.

This is not true. Atoms were defined as the smallest KNOWN particles. The keyword being KNOWN. Now, scientists are testing for the Higgs-Boson particle to confirm its existence, which would confirm their hypothesis that there is in fact something smaller than atoms. The scientific method at work.

I'm saying that even our knowledge(science) things that we have proved by the mantra of logical discernment is DYNAMIC and CHANGING due to the fact that we are GROWING in knowledge.

Wow... that's... not new lol. This has been the idea behind science since its infancy thousands of years ago. That it is a "living" concept.

So today knowledge could be a past misconception tomorrow and vice versa.

Well until it is proven to be, this is irrelevant. And there's nothing which has shown it to be. I'll say it again, this is how science has been working since its conception ages ago.

I read a sad story in the newspaper sometime ago about a child or toddler being raised by cats. She behaved just like cats. So to her reality she was a cat. Does that make it true?

She's mimicking them; that's normal for all young humans. Since she was exposed to an environment filled with cats (and dogs; you're thinking of the Siberian girl), she behaves like them. That's like those "talking parrots". They don't talk, they're mimicking the sounds they're exposed to.

[Stealth Hunter]

Hmmm I can assure you that I would even pass a lie detector if tested on this matter. So it's either I'm a complete delusional or HONEST.
Basically I went through a horrific ordeal in 2002 caused by people in power in Singapore while I was doing my tertiary education there. In the end I was starved and refused call in their hospital for 3 days (until I was so thin) with a broken hand and injury to my spine and was only given food after I demanded to them as I was fed up being starved and it was a public hospital so I potentially could attract attention. I've been defamed as being schizophrenic which is of course a lie to cover up the ordeal.

Oh- that's not schizophrenia then. Your "vision" of Jesus was a hallucination, brought on by acute stress on the body (i.e. your lack of food and water). It's a natural response that the body goes through when put under acute levels of stress. That's like castaways who think they can see ships and such on the horizon after being adrift at sea without food or water for days. In most cases, they succumb to thirst first and they drink seawater. Due to the high salt content, it dehydrates their bodies even more, and causes them to hallucinate more and act even more irrational. Very common among survivors of the USS Indianapolis, to name a prevalent example.

When I was in the war, there were plenty of times we were low on rations- and under constant strain from the Iraqis. Hallucinations were very common; later, you had people suffering from things like shellshock and psychosis as a result of the strain. I've hallucinated before, because I've gotten overheated and haven't properly hydrated myself or protected my skin from constant exposure to the sun's rays.

EDIT:

Out of curiosity- why did the police detain you in Singapore? They had a reason, obviously. Otherwise, they wouldn't have bothered to have taken you to the hospital at all.:hmmm:

[Dowly]

Then why bother bringing it up? You've either got some underlying motive here or you're out of your damn mind if you think you saw a magic man who's supposedly been dead for 2,000 years according to a book that says the planet is 6,000 years old and we all came from two people who damned our entire species because the woman, made from the man's rib (who was made from dust), took and ate an apple from a cursed tree at the will of a talking snake who was really an evil guy named Satan in control of the domain of the damned- Hell-- with a ball of light for a head.

ROFLMAO!!! :rotfl2::rotfl2:

[RickC Sniper]

however i do believe that there are certain unforgivable offenses.

Murder is one of them.



We as people have no idea of the level of God's ability to forgive.


@Castout :o
Get some help, bud.

[antikristuseke]

Then why bother bringing it up? You've either got some underlying motive here or you're out of your damn mind if you think you saw a magic man who's supposedly been dead for 2,000 years according to a book that says the planet is 6,000 years old and we all came from two people who damned our entire species because the woman, made from the man's rib (who was made from dust), took and ate an apple from a cursed tree at the will of a talking snake who was really an evil guy named Satan in control of the domain of the damned- Hell-- with a ball of light for a head.



Nowhere in the bible is the type of fruit specified, cant recall where the apple thing comes from, but thats nonsense from outside the bible. Then again, the bible is mostly full of nonsense with a few good ideas thrown in, like every other religious book I have read.

[nikimcbee]

That depends, did they do it in allah's name? I hear you get great results if you do it in allah's name, like a free buffet ticket on fridays, or a coupon for a free swanson pork potpie.:hmmm:

[nikimcbee]

Asked by the reporter in Haiti why he killed his family, Damas responded, "Only God knows." Questioned further, he blamed the crime on his mother-in-law. "Her mom pretty much made me do it -- the devil, her spirit, whatever she worships," he said.

Burn her at the stake:haha:

Its the mother-in-laws fault.:haha: Works for me.

[Dowly]

Nowhere in the bible is the type of fruit specified, cant recall where the apple thing comes from, but thats nonsense from outside the bible. Then again, the bible is mostly full of nonsense with a few good ideas thrown in, like every other religious book I have read.

Maybe they just left it out and someone who new about the apple part has kept the story alive. I mean, didnt church "edit" the bible quite abit during the years? Take stuff out or just dont include whole letters. Or is that just some conspiracy stuff, cant remember where I heard about it once.

[Task Force]

wait... if all human life started with 2 people... THEN WERE ALL INBREEDERS!!!:o

I wounder how many people have actualy edited the bible.

PS dowly... your sig... lol

[Dowly]

wait... if all human life started with 2 people... THEN WERE ALL INBREEDERS!!!:o


Yes, I've though about that aswell. We should all be more or less disfigured if the bible was true. :O:

[Task Force]

Yes, I've though about that aswell. We should all be more or less disfigured if the bible was true. :O:

lol... yea...

And if the ark thingy was true... then whered all that water go, did god pull a plug in the ocean floor we dont know about... lol

theres so mutch stuff that is 100% not possiable...

Religion was a really good way to control people back then tho...

[Dowly]

Aye, true all that.

You know, I've been pondering. What if Jesus was the first ever conartist. You know the type who supposedly do a surgery with bare hands. People back then were very superstisious (or whatsamacallit), so maybe they just took it abit too seriously and blew it out of proportions. :hmmm:

[Stealth Hunter]

Nowhere in the bible is the type of fruit specified, cant recall where the apple thing comes from, but thats nonsense from outside the bible.

Well it originates from the early Church's Biblical scholars. Apples, as you're well aware I assume, are symbols in European myth of destruction and condemnation- which is exactly what happened to us according to the Bible after they ate the fruit the tree gave. Either way the type of fruit is not important in the long run. The talking snake-Satan impersonation, dustman and ribwoman, damned and cursed tree, cosmic Jewish zombie, and 6,000-year-old Earth parts remain.

Then again, the bible is mostly full of nonsense with a few good ideas thrown in, like every other religious book I have read.

Or every other thing you've ever read. The Bible's morals and ethics are almost all borrowed from that of the older Mesopotamian Code of Hammurabi. Even the "eye for an eye" part is included in it! For that matter, Utnapishtim's Ark from those same people eclipses the Biblical story of Noah's Ark in age by about 1,500 years.

These religions all borrow certain aspects from the older ones while throwing a few new ones in there. They're all basically the same in having a beginning telling how the universe began, having an ending dictating what will happen to us all in death and when the end of the world comes, having an antagonist and protagonist, etc.

That depends, did they do it in allah's name? I hear you get great results if you do it in allah's name, like a free buffet ticket on fridays, or a coupon for a free swanson pork potpie.

"Allah" is just Arabic for "God". He's not really even a separate entity from the god of the Bible, either.

[Stealth Hunter]

Aye, true all that.

You know, I've been pondering. What if Jesus was the first ever conartist. You know the type who supposedly do a surgery with bare hands. People back then were very superstisious (or whatsamacallit), so maybe they just took it abit too seriously and blew it out of proportions. :hmmm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9AGk2gk9M&feature=related

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[nikimcbee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9AGk2gk9M&feature=related

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:haha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiDmMBIyfsU
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[Dowly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9AGk2gk9M&feature=related

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Haha! :haha: