Odd Convoy.

[ReFaN]

Right, im below the surface looking out over this large convoy, consisting of mostly Merchants, One lone destroyer in the front.

Then i made a discovery, inside the Convoy, deep inside was the Battleship Nelson!

So, heres the tricky part, sneak in and destroy Her, or go for the merchants.

What do you think ?

[FJ88]

I don't think it is that terribly odd. She could have been refitting in America or returning from overseas station.
The odd part is her being right in the middle. You would think she would be covering one flank and the lone destroyer the other. She would have trouble getting up to speed and maneuvering if she came under submarine attack.

I would see if you could put 1 or 2 torpedo into her to slow her down and wait for her to fall out of the convoy and then wait until the next day or the day after that and finish her off.

[ReFaN]

il see what i can do, problem is shes zig zagging, the rest of the Convoy isnt.

[ReFaN]

as of now the whole convoy is acting wierd, scattered all over the place, improving the odds of sinking the rodney.

[ReFaN]

Man, Convoys werent my best targets, all torps missed, hitting 2 merchants. WIch were neutral too me. got forced down and depth charged, wich caused flooding in the back compartment, causing us to sink by the stern ;(

[Lt.Fillipidis]

If you have at least one T1 with you, i'd suggest to go to flank speed to alert the destroyer. If she comes straight to you, she's an easy target at 600m.
If she zig zags, wait until she runs over you once and put the torpedo in her while she turns around.

I usually follow this strategy if there are less than 4 DDs.

[U2222]

I met a very similar convoy.
Having evaded the escorts and slipped into the convoy lanes I fired four torps at the Nelson from 500 mtrs.
All direct hits low down along the hull - and every one a dud torpedo!!:damn:
I've got some questions for the tech boys back at Bdu

[-=Spy=-]

All direct hits low down along the hull - and every one a dud torpedo!!:damn:
I've got some questions for the tech boys back at Bdu

I've had a torpedo hit the ship, bounce off, then start back up, and run into the ship and explode.

[Jimbuna]

Right, im below the surface looking out over this large convoy, consisting of mostly Merchants, One lone destroyer in the front.

Then i made a discovery, inside the Convoy, deep inside was the Battleship Nelson!

So, heres the tricky part, sneak in and destroy Her, or go for the merchants.

What do you think ?


Go for the big boy......they would regularly sail with a convoy add to the AA cover and guard against surface raiders.

[Lt.Fillipidis]

Jimbuna
In RL would that happen?
I mean, a BB or even a Cruiser in the middle of a convoy?
Only tankers have deeper heel than those ships so a smart Kaleun would easily pick em off.
Plus, this situation limits their maneuverability and speed.

[sergei]

I'm sure I've read somewhere that at the start of the war the admiralty was as worried about surface raiders as subs, so some convoys did indeed have a surface escort. I think they used old WW1 battlecruisers and similar ships. So yes, entirely feasible I would say.
(Of course I stand to be very much corrected if I am wrong:))

[melnibonian]

In RL would that happen?
I mean, a BB or even a Cruiser in the middle of a convoy?


In reality during 1940 and 1941 the Admiralty was concerned about attacks of German Battleships and Cruisers on their Atlantic Convoys. Therefore they used to have old (usually) Battleships escorting the convoys to scare the Germans off.

An example of this was the Operation Berlin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Berlin

I hope this explains the reasoning for putting Battleships in Convoys in GWX

[U2222]

You can be fairly certain that if the GWX team includes battle ship escorts there will some historical accuracy

[ReFaN]

Negative, Nelson had struck a Mine one month before the date wich i encountered her, so it cant be Hestorically correct ;)

[U2222]

OK, so the ship name roster is not bang on for a given date.
But then you can sink two or more Nelsons in one career (can't you?):hmmm:
However, the inclusion of battleships escorting convoys is correct.
In addition to melnibonion's link above see also
http://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/scharnhorst/history/scharnberlin.html

[ReFaN]

Yes of course, you learn something new every day, just never seen any BB escorting before, want more!

[Jimbuna]

Jimbuna
In RL would that happen?
I mean, a BB or even a Cruiser in the middle of a convoy?
Only tankers have deeper heel than those ships so a smart Kaleun would easily pick em off.
Plus, this situation limits their maneuverability and speed.

Most definitely and Mel has posted a worthy link to support the fact.

Here's a further example showing HMS Anson (pay particular attention to the bottom of the page):

http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-01BB-Anson.htm

[U2222]

That's an interesting article jimbuna.
Distant cover obviously means that in this case the battleships were not inside / part of the convoy.
In fact on one occasion distant meant 1000 miles west!!:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

That's an interesting article jimbuna.
Distant cover obviously means that in this case the battleships were not inside / part of the convoy.
In fact on one occasion distant meant 1000 miles west!!:hmmm:

If you research you will find many examples of heavy units travelling within the confines of the merchant ranks. This action was performed mainly during daylight hours because of the relatively short range of AA weaponry.

During the evening the heavy units were deemed more vulnerable to U-boat attack (the preferred conditions of a Kaleun) and therefore left the close confines of the convoy whilst allowing more leeway in manouvreability.

[melnibonian]

Distant cover obviously means that in this case the battleships were not inside / part of the convoy.


Further to jim's post and answer, let me just state that GWX is a game and not reality. Due to restrictions imposed on us by the game engine convoys are much smaller and ships are closer than they were in reality. Therefore some level of poor realism is to be expected (for example it would have been impossible for all the merchants to travel so close to the Battleship if the big guns were to be used etc etc)

In my opinion if we take into account all the complications and restrictions the game engine creates I am happy with the final outcome.

[U2222]

I agree entirely.
After years of GWX it still amazes me how much has been built into this game.

[melnibonian]

I agree entirely.
After years of GWX it still amazes me how much has been built into this game.

Hopefully in SH5 (with or without GWX) these issues are incorporated into the game :up:

[ReFaN]

Not a bashing atm the GWX dudes this, im terribly Amazed with GWX, makes SH3 a fun experience, taken the will out of SH4 completely ;)

[Jimbuna]

Not a bashing atm the GWX dudes this, im terribly Amazed with GWX, makes SH3 a fun experience, taken the will out of SH4 completely ;)

SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[ReFaN]

SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

6 patrols, 120000 tonnes, is that Good so far? :woot:

[sergei]

SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

Yeah but you always say that Jimbuna :03:

[Jimbuna]

6 patrols, 120000 tonnes, is that Good so far? :woot:

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

Yeah but you always say that Jimbuna :03:

Plus the one above http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[melnibonian]

Yeah but you always say that Jimbuna :03:

That's why he has 30,000 posts :03::O::DL

[Snestorm]

If you research you will find many examples of heavy units travelling within the confines of the merchant ranks. This action was performed mainly during daylight hours because of the relatively short range of AA weaponry.

During the evening the heavy units were deemed more vulnerable to U-boat attack (the preferred conditions of a Kaleun) and therefore left the close confines of the convoy whilst allowing more leeway in manouvreability.

Backing up Hr. Jimbuna, another example of a BB inside a convoy, and being damaged by torpedoes is HMS Malaya. She wasn't bright enough to leave the convoy after dark.
All the DDs that were supposed to be escorting the convoy, ended up escorting her, all the way to New York for repairs, where she spent the entire rest of the war.
Two IXBs made a picnic out of that convoy.

Back to the original question:
If everything is in a wild, nonuniform zig zag, IMO, the attack is over.
That's something SH3, not GWX, screwed up badly.

[Jimbuna]

Backing up Hr. Jimbuna, another example of a BB inside a convoy, and being damaged by torpedoes is HMS Malaya. She wasn't bright enough to leave the convoy after dark.
All the DDs that were supposed to be escorting the convoy, ended up escorting her, all the way to New York for repairs, where she spent the entire rest of the war.
Two IXBs made a picnic out of that convoy.

Back to the original question:
If everything is in a wild, nonuniform zig zag, IMO, the attack is over.
That's something SH3, not GWX, screwed up badly.

Danke Kaleun http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Ford Prefect]

Backing up Hr. Jimbuna, another example of a BB inside a convoy, and being damaged by torpedoes is HMS Malaya. She wasn't bright enough to leave the convoy after dark.
All the DDs that were supposed to be escorting the convoy, ended up escorting her, all the way to New York for repairs, where she spent the entire rest of the war.
Two IXBs made a picnic out of that convoy.

Back to the original question:
If everything is in a wild, nonuniform zig zag, IMO, the attack is over.
That's something SH3, not GWX, screwed up badly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Malaya

^She didn't remain in new york for the entirety of the war, infact only 6 months. She went back into service until she was withdrawn in 1944. Against uboats she could do little but she could keep away surface raiders who had been instructed to only attack drastically inferior shipping.


*edit* eee gad! I'm navy dude! ¬_¬ this is not cool!

[Red Heat]

6 patrols, 120000 tonnes, is that Good so far? :woot:

The must important of all...its to HAVE FUN! :D
No records, records its only important to Admiral Dönitz! :salute:

[Snestorm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Malaya

^She didn't remain in new york for the entirety of the war, infact only 6 months. She went back into service until she was withdrawn in 1944. Against uboats she could do little but she could keep away surface raiders who had been instructed to only attack drastically inferior shipping.


*edit* eee gad! I'm navy dude! ¬_¬ this is not cool!

I stand corrected, and a-little wiser. Thanks for the info.

[Ford Prefect]

I stand corrected, and a-little wiser. Thanks for the info.

no problem. My interest was piqued by your story so I decided to see if I could find more details so I googled the name. It was then I found out the differences between the two stories so I thought it best to let you know.