NMS Delfinul

[Captain von Keldunk]

The most successful Romanian submarine in WWII- NMS Delfinul
pecifications NMS Delfinul:
Built in Italy, at Fiume, and launched on May 5, 1936

Displacement (srf/sub tons): 640/886
Dimensions (L*B*D feet): 225'0*19'6*12'0
Propulsion: 2*800hp Sulzer diesels and 2*400hp electric motors
Speed (srf/sub knots): 14/9
Range (srf/sub n/miles@knots): 2,000@12/un known
Diving depth (meter): un known
Complement: 40 officers and enlisted
Torpedo: 4*21" (533mm) bow torpedo tubes, 2*21" stern torpedo tubes, total of 6 torpedoes
Mines: none
Armament: 1*4 inch main deck gun.
Devs I would like to have NMS Delfinul in SH5. in Black sea against Russia.:arrgh!:

[Cohaagen]

Don't worry, I'm sure it's top of their list :up:

[JU_88]

Don't worry, I'm sure it's top of their list :up:

Lol im sure its not,
Got any pics of Delfinul?
How about some blue prints and interior scematics?
Cant make a historical sub model based on the name alone :DL

At one point i was hunting for this kind of material for RN submarines - S, T & U classes... Unlike U-boats not one of these submarines is preserved today.
In the 50s us brits couldnt wait to melt them down and turn them back in to the pots and pans from which they came :nope:

internet & books? forget it.
i would have had to trek down to the Royal navy Submarine museum in Portsmouth, i emailed them and they told me they had the stuff i wanted, but i would have to visit their archives and spend a day making photo copies.
meh couldnt be bothered to go that far...

[longam]

Is this where we start posting funny pictures of weird subs? :woot:

[JU_88]

God No! enough silly threads about soup already :D

[DigitalAura]

Did you say against Russia? :06:

[Hartmann]

Nice history, and it survive , but finally captured by soviets

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ro/e/e1/NicolaeUrsuDelfinul.jpg

[DigitalAura]

Yes...good story. I have to plead ignorance... I wasn't aware that there was a pact between Russia and Germany (until the recent apology from Poutin in the news when he visited Poland).

What was the stance then during the war? Romania was not considered Axis, but Britain saw them as anti-Russian (so against the Allies)???

What developed in the late war years after the German/Russian pact fell apart?

[Captain von Keldunk]

Yes...good story. I have to plead ignorance... I wasn't aware that there was a pact between Russia and Germany (until the recent apology from Poutin in the news when he visited Poland).

What was the stance then during the war? Romania was not considered Axis, but Britain saw them as anti-Russian (so against the Allies)???

What developed in the late war years after the German/Russian pact fell apart?
:)...................................:DL.......... .............................................:D
In the Black Sea, the Delfinul was one of the ships that created a lot of problems for the Soviet fleet (the Chernomorsky Flot). The captain was courageous and determined man, who could take quick decisions, like when they opened fire with the gun on a surfaced Soviet submarine (in July 1941). His saying was : "Determined as the lion, deceiving as the fox and cautious as the cat". This is why the Delfinul managed to survive over one year of war. :salute: A must for SH5:up:
Link there is youtube video too
http://www.marinarii.ro/nave-de-istorie.php?id=6&name=Submarinul_Delfinul_

[R1fl3M4n]

we still have a submarine named Delfinul ( Delphine ) but i`m not certain its the same , here in romania .. :)


but its useless , it has no working batteries or whatsoever...

we don`t have a hightech flotilla...


but hell, i really want to see it in Sh5 ! :D

[Schultz]

Its docked in a port in Constanta, for about 3 years because they have to change the batteries, and that costs 10 milion $ , the US proposed us to give Delfinul for a Nuclear sub second hand.Here are 2 pictures of it http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ro/e/e1/NicolaeUrsuDelfinul.jpg and the other one http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=222&section=21&article=249

L.E: I found a movie about NMS Delfnul and another picture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmr0Pk1jFcQ&feature=channel_page and the picture http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/4642/62822595ph5.jpg

[karamazovnew]

The current Delfinul sub is a russian sub that was bought 20 years ago and has not been used for the last 11 years. Here's a good pic http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/20080806_7/5_Submarinul_Delfinul_o_atractie_pentru_vizitatori .

As for the NMS Delfinul of ww2, well, the sub was not that succesful. It only managed to sink one ship, during it's 5'th patrol. It's victim was the 1.975 tons Uralles cargo ship. But the sheer endurance of the crew deserves our praise. I'll try to translate to most interesting part from this link http://www.marinarii.ro/nave-de-istorie.php?id=6&name=Submarinul_Delfinul_...

On it's last mission, NMS Delfinul traveled to the east of Ialta. On June 27 1942 it reached it's patrol area but was forced to stay submerged after being spotted by aircraft. Between 4:26 and 15:30 she was the attacked with 240 bombs. One of it's fuel tanks was lightly damaged. When a few destroyers joined the hunt, after 16:00, captain Costachescu had to stop engines. The next day it was spotted by russian aircraft at 16:12. The strafing attack damaged the conning tower. On July 1st, the last day of the evacuation of Sevastopol, the russian airforce was on high alert around the Crimean Peninsula and the romanian submarine was spotted and hunted for 13 hours. Between 7:25 and 10:30 107 bombs were counted. Then at around 13:00, another attack of 20 bombs and at 15:40 another 24 bombs. In the evening, between 19:30 and 20:00, 82 bombs exploded near the sub and 35 in the distance for a total of 268 bombs, mostly standard bombs used by the aviation and only a few anti-sub depth charges.

On it's return, Delfinul went into repairs and stayed in port until August 23 1944 (when Romania was "liberated" by the russians) when it was confiscated. ..... The submarine was offered back to Romania in 1957, in an unusable state. It was repaired and used for marine research in the Black Sea. It's Krupp engine now sits at the National Technology Musem.

[Hartmann]

Not very succesful in number of sunk ships but it forced the soviets to expend a lot of resources to antisubmarine duties. :hmmm:

[Captain von Keldunk]

"They had an iron discipline. If the captain slapped a sailor, he had to turn the other cheek right away.":hmmm:
Link:http://www.worldwar2.ro/memorii/?article=108
In das boot captain went for his gun when one crewmember lost his nerve.:hmmm:
I suppose captain of NMS Delfinul slapped a panicked sailor to bring him back
to his senses.:hmmm:
You could relieve a panicked sailor from duty and court martial him after
patrol. :hmmm: I think crew discipline should be in SH5.:salute:

[DigitalAura]

so....technically... what? They were fighting the Russians in the war? who happened to 'liberate' them and save them from the Axis later on?

What a soap opera that story sounds like! :hmmm:

[Morpheus]

The current Delfinul sub is a russian sub that was bought 20 years ago and has not been used for the last 11 years. Here's a good pic http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/20080806_7/5_Submarinul_Delfinul_o_atractie_pentru_vizitatori .

Is that a kilo? They are one of the most silent diesel/electric subs iv'e read...

morph

[Kaleun_Endrass]

Is that a kilo?
Yes it is.

[karamazovnew]

They are one of the most silent diesel/electric subs iv'e read...


True, for the last 11 years, nobody has heard it's engines at all :har:

[Morpheus]

True, for the last 11 years, nobody has heard it's engines at all :har:

hehe :haha:

yes, i was speaking from the past :oops:

/edit, lets say the early 80ies

[Steeltrap]

If I looked like that, I'd keep quiet too. That is one ugly boat.

DA, you seriously need to do some reading, unless you are taking the piss out of us all.

Hmm, on reflection, that sounds a bit snotty. Sorry!

Anyway, I think it was George Bernard Shaw who said:

There will never be peace in Europe; every country has at least one good reason from the last 500 years to hate its neighbour.

....or words to that effect. The lead up to the outbreak of WWII in Europe was typical European political bastardry, especially the betrayal of Czechoslovakia by the Brits and, especially, French.

[denis_469]

Yes - romanian submaine is "corageous"! From 1941 to 1944 years sinking 1 ship. But may be good made all romanian submarines in it case?

[karamazovnew]

Well, a bit of history lesson. Romania united all of it's romanian speaking lands just after WW1. Transilvania belonged to the dieing Austrian Empire and had mostly hungarian speaking population, while Basarabia(current Moldavia) was mostly Russian. In 1940, Romania was double crossed by it's ally, Hitler, which gave lands to Hungary and Bulgaria. Then Stalin issued an ultimatum for Romania to cease Basarabia in June 1940 when Hitler was too busy to give a damn.

Then in 1941 Hitler invaded Russia and offered the romanians the occasion to take back Basarabia. Which they did in about one month. But after that, for some reason, the military dictator Antonescu decided to follow Hitler into Russia and payed a huge price. Now romanians were not quite the pick of the crop, my great-grandfather eventually fought at Stalingrad in the initial phase and he had horrific stories of what some of his commarades did. One of his brothers even took part in the Odessa Massacre but refused to shoot jews (as he was half-jew himself) altough he din't share that feeling for ukranians or gypsies. Even the Germans were appaled by the brutality of some romanian soldiers. But the main majority just wanted to go home, not willing to fight a war of conquest. This also explains why the main priority of the Delfinul in that year was to just stay alive, as the russians were pushed back from the Black Sea. Both the airforce and the Navy, unlike foot soldiers were not indoctrinated and were loyal to the royal house of King Mihai. They were more than reluctant to follow the dictatorship of Antonescu.

Eventually the russians reached the borders of Romania in the summer of 1944 and Antonescu was sacrificed for the good of the country. The people turned against the Germans and so, the initial shock of the invasion was greatly dampened. Looting and raping was common but incomparably less than in Germany. My great-grandmother had a very close call with a buch of russian soldiers that wanted to rape her and my grandmother who was just 12 at that time. But when one of them saw this, he raised his gun at the others and told them to leave the women alone. On the other side, as my grandfather told me, the germans had always been nice to them, joking with the kids, giving them chocolate. On one occasion in July 1944 he was playing with some friends on a field and they used some tin cans to mimic field radios and sticks as rifles. A german truck came close and the kids started to "shoot" at it saying "bam bam" and the soldiers rushed out of it and came with their weapons drawn. As the kids got up on their feet, the soldiers realised that they were surrounded by kids with tin cans and sticks. The officer laughed but told the kids to be careful from then on and even escorted them back to the village and let them play with real guns (with no ammo) on the way. This stories have stuck with me and I will never be ashamed of being fond of both german and russian soldiers.

The russians, unwilling to split their armies, agreed to see the Romanian invasion as a Liberation and conscripted a huge number of romanian soldiers. They went on to fight to recover Transilvania from the hungarians and went as far as fighting in Poland and Germany. After the war, Romania became part of the communist block, mostly of it's own accord. Up untill Ceaucescu and the horrid 1980's, Romania was considered to be preety ok.

Now, from a game point of view, the Black Sea campaign was rather unimportant. I doubt that the game will feature a Black Sea campaign from the start, yet alone model the romanian sub...

:o Why do I write such long posts?!

[DigitalAura]

I thank you for these long posts, brother! :DL
I am, I suppose, quite ignorant regarding the role of Romania, Czechoslovakia, and much of Europe I guess in the war. I never realized there were so many gray areas... countries switching sides, or betraying neighbours like that.
Wow. And I'm not even American! ;)

[Schultz]

Do you have some of the schematics of the famous 3 subs, because I only managed to find those for NMS Shark.Thank you:)