View Full Version : SH5 a worrying silent hunter 4 add on??
cjbeattie
09-09-09, 09:01 PM
Was going through the Silent Hunter 5 new forum and i seen a link to this page...
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1163432&postcount=27
dont get me wrong i love the screen shots of silent hunter 5 and like you guys cant wait for my first patrol but after the messup with the sh3 to sh4 release its worrying when you read they are simply building it from the sh4 game..
cj
THE_MASK
09-09-09, 09:05 PM
I am glad its based on sh4 . The modders know the file structure backwards and we get 1st person and better graphics . It will be like going from XP to Vista :arrgh!:
SteamWake
09-09-09, 09:23 PM
I am glad its based on sh4 . The modders know the file structure backwards and we get 1st person and better graphics . It will be like going from XP to Vista :arrgh!:
Thats a mighty shakey endorsment :haha:
nattydread
09-09-09, 09:44 PM
SH4 was gorgeous...im not sure what else they could do superficially to improve. The core mechanics was good and improved upon significantly by mods, so there is a lot of potential there.
With a few graphic improvements and mechanics tweaks, I think SH5 could be another beautifully rendered and well modeled improvement over SH4.
This is one of the few times I can say that Im willing to embrace a build off of the previous release. But they need to use the time and resources saved on true filling out the short comings from SH4.
Do that first and add more eye-candy second.
THE_MASK
09-09-09, 09:51 PM
Thats a mighty shakey endorsment :haha:
FIRE TORPEDO 3
Dont fire the torpedo unless you know where its from or you have fired it before .
CANCEL
I dont know where this torpedo is from or what it is for.
ALLOW
I know this torpedo and know where its going to .
Arclight
09-09-09, 11:07 PM
You have selected "Allow"
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| OK |
Re-using SH 4 and all the knowledge they build up with SH 3 and 2 is great. It gives them the posibility that they can extent the game with more features. Nattydread I fully agree with you as well as Sober's remark about moddability. At the end we want to have a good simulation and not an arcade shooter.
A fired torpedo may cause damage to other ships.
Fire torpedo?
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| Yes | | No |
Kaleun_Endrass
09-10-09, 02:18 AM
A fired torpedo may cause damage to other ships.
Fire torpedo?
_____ ____
| Yes | | No |
I pressed "Yes" and you know what happend?
WO: "Torpedo missed Sir. Torpedo crossed target astern."
KaLeun: "What??? I set TDCs torpedo speed to Fast. Did you do the same to the torpedo?"
WO: "It´s out of my scope. Must be a bug of the Game Engine..."
So beloved devs, if you build your new engine ontop of SH4 then dont even think of releasing SH5 with such bugs. Otherwise I personally come to Romania and kick someones ass. That´s a promise.
JScones
09-10-09, 03:16 AM
I am glad its based on sh4 . The modders know the file structure backwards and we get 1st person and better graphics . It will be like going from XP to Vista :arrgh!:
Not what I'd consider a convincing argument, lol. ;)
I have actually grown to hate SH4,:nope: but that is my own personal view!!:yep:
Thanks God SH5 is "all new code"!!:yeah:
The game is 6 months or so from release, whats done is done.
Judge the SHV on its own merrit when you get to play it.
Worrying about it makes no difference, (and making threats is just being childish)
I found this sentence from the devs on the ubi forum:
We’ve changed the water and terrain rendering engine, solving the bugs that prevented this in the previous version and increasing the rendering distance too.
to me, this sounds like they took the old engine with new elements. this gives them more time to think about new features an d more time for beta testing, i think...:rock:
karamazovnew
09-10-09, 11:09 AM
Some of you will be eating their own words when the next screenshots are posted :haha:.
"Uhmmm.... Ok, it's not SH4. Definitly not SH4. :o"
I hope it won't be me tho...
AVGWarhawk
09-10-09, 11:23 AM
I have actually grown to hate SH4,:nope: but that is my own personal view!!:yep:
Thanks God SH5 is "all new code"!!:yeah:
Reece, what is not to like about SH4 (ok, no list please :D)? I love SH4. Not just for the PTO but the graphics are excellent. After all the modding the game is great to play. It runs flawlessly on my Vista machine. Anyway, from what I gather a lot of SH4 will be found in SH5.
Webster
09-10-09, 11:35 AM
I found this sentence from the devs on the ubi forum:
We’ve changed the water and terrain rendering engine, solving the bugs that prevented this in the previous version and increasing the rendering distance too.
to me, this sounds like they took the old engine with new elements. this gives them more time to think about new features an d more time for beta testing, i think...:rock:
when i posted this:
i think its because its still very early in the process (almost a year from now until release date)
in my opinion (because its the fastest and the least expensive thing to do) they just dumped sh3 data into sh4 game engine to replace all of the fleetboat stuff and then started the process of working out the kinks and making changes to the game itself.
lets give them the benefit of the doubt that they will be going back over it and "premod" the game to make all the needed improvements they can
i got this reply:
You would make a mistake to think that. Basically, there's nothing that was taken from SH3 (which was launched 4 and a half years ago). Everything has been redesigned and things that may look like SH3 (because of the historic background) have been recreated to meet the standards of 2009.
.
Originally Posted by Ducimus
Will the file structure remain the same or similar to SH3/SH4? Or will the entire directory and file structure be new and the file dependencies, interactions, and variables need to be relearned?Originally Posted by maerean_m
We're building the game on top of SH4, so you'll recognize the structure.But at least there keeping the file structure.
Sailor Steve
09-10-09, 03:07 PM
Reece, what is not to like about SH4 (ok, no list please :D)? I love SH4. Not just for the PTO but the graphics are excellent. After all the modding the game is great to play. It runs flawlessly on my Vista machine. Anyway, from what I gather a lot of SH4 will be found in SH5.
Not to mention the vastly superior crew management and overall stability, ease of adding new ships without the horrific loading times, better time compression and the way they changed the radio screen to a pop-up wherever you are. There are things I think could have been done better, and some I think they messed up big-time, but overall it's a great improvement.
Reece, what is not to like about SH4 (ok, no list please :D)? I love SH4. Not just for the PTO but the graphics are excellent. After all the modding the game is great to play. It runs flawlessly on my Vista machine. Anyway, from what I gather a lot of SH4 will be found in SH5.
Well I had just installed for the fifth time with OM + OMEGA, also tried OM + RSRD, and still has many bugs, I could do some fixes for some and work around for others but the biggest thing is twice the computer reset itself in each version listed above, the second time I ended up with HDD Index errors, so bad that I had to re-ghost my machine, in doing so I lost some of my files, and I only got to play the nav training mission. :damn: So you must understand the frustration, my system is fairly new::hmmm:
AMD Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition
Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe Motherboard
Creative X-fi Xtreme sound
HIS IceQ4 Turbo ATI HD 4850 512mb video card
4mb Kingston ram
Win XP Pro
If I had to try again it would mean a total install again!!:dead:
ETR3(SS)
09-10-09, 10:12 PM
Could always be bad parts too. When I built my parents computer a few years back I got a bad board and CPU right outta the box.
Well I can run games like Crysis, Far Cry 2, Trainz 2006, SOF3, Turok, BlackSite, Ship sim 2008, etc, with no problems, though some not recently, maybe one of my ram sticks has died, I did have all the settings in the game set to max, maybe someone with OM can try the nav training school, both reboots happened here, got to about way point 6 the second time.:hmmm:
d@rk51d3
09-11-09, 04:23 AM
Well I can run games like Crysis, Far Cry 2, Trainz 2006, SOF3, Turok, BlackSite, Ship sim 2008, etc, with no problems, though some not recently, maybe one of my ram sticks has died, I did have all the settings in the game set to max, maybe someone with OM can try the nav training school, both reboots happened here, got to about way point 6 the second time.:hmmm:
Don't worry mate. SH4 gives me soft reboots too. And it seems to be the only game that does it too. I don't know why.
Quad core 2.8
Vista 64 home premium
8GB Kingston RAM 1066
1 gig NVidia
THE_MASK
09-11-09, 04:35 AM
I vaguely remember having trouble with the training school after installing mods. So i never did the training after that . I just went straight to the campaign .
d@rk51d3
09-11-09, 04:41 AM
Even the career crashes. Usually mid patrol.:wah:
Yeh I wouldn't mind if it just CTD but rebooting is a no no on my machine, I have problem with the reset line, not sure if it is motherboard or power supply, but when I start my machine I have to hold the reset button down when or it just hangs and often causes HDD errors, once it boots all is ok (holding reset down for a second always works, 100%), been like this for several months, so a game rebooting sucks big time!!!:damn:
Gunther_Prime
10-08-09, 03:58 PM
:down:After all the superficials are dropped; SH4 is an inferior quality Sim to SH3! The graphics are nice? No, the water is verging on ludicrous – ballooning tissue paper flapping around the screen. The music is – just – well I turn it off. The main gripe I have is that the torpedo “spills” out of the tubes – and does not eject with a certain – accuracy that I see in SH3.
I do find the damage on the ships great; but they’re not that accurate. The only other thing I like is the Milton Poem at the start…nice touch. SH3 is like XP, and SH4 is like Vista….I hope SH5 is like Win7.
THE_MASK
10-08-09, 04:59 PM
Actually , i think they said we will recognise the file structure from sh3/4 . But its a new game .
SH5 is built on SH4 and so what?
Was SH4 a crap game? with a crap engine? No it was very good - just rushed...
Im glad SHV its built on SH4, otherwise building the new engine would take up so much time, there would be no time for all the other fancy things we keep begging them for.
The Devs were never gonna be given the to time and budget to build a new game engine anyway. And why the hell would they want to when (with a few improvements) the current one is perfectly good.
Same engine - but 2 completey different games.
Judge SHV on its own merrit and stop all this worrying, since 'worrying' isnt going to change anything anyway.
Im sick of seeing the word 'Worrying' on this forum almost as much as im sick of seeing the word 'Soup'
Neal should censor both of them.
OrangeYoshi
10-08-09, 05:11 PM
Same engine - but 2 completey different games.
Didn't they say it was a completely new engine with completely new code?
THE_MASK
10-08-09, 05:15 PM
The soup is worrying me now .
Webster
10-08-09, 06:06 PM
Didn't they say it was a completely new engine with completely new code?
yes they did
the only thing thats the same is the subject matter (u-boats)
Ducimus
10-08-09, 06:53 PM
I don't know what all the worrying is about. I'm guessing 9 out of 10 people who post in this forum is going to end up buying the game regardless.
Besides that, its not like you really have a choice if you want a more modern WW2 submarine sim.
AVGWarhawk
10-09-09, 08:11 AM
The soup is worrying me now .
:yep:
java`s revenge
10-09-09, 08:19 AM
I hate shiv. The ships just look like cardboard made.
With sh3 i get the real feeling that i am at sea. And the ships
are marvelous.
I hope sh5 will give me the same feeling as sh3 does.
I hate shiv. The ships just look like cardboard made.
With sh3 i get the real feeling that i am at sea. And the ships
are marvelous.
I hope sh5 will give me the same feeling as sh3 does.
Eh? The ships in SHIV look alot better than those in SH3, partly because they have more detailed 3d / higher poly count and also because they have Lightmaps.
If anything SH3s ships look like boxy cardboard by todays standards
:rotfl2:
SH3 is far better than SH4 in almost all aspects IMO, I have tried em both, with many attempts to like SH4 but SH3 is a clear winner, no offense JU_88, as I said IMO.:yep:
AVGWarhawk
10-09-09, 09:41 AM
I go with JU 88 on this one.
i'm with java's revenge - sh3 feels much better game and captures the feeling of being at much sea more.
SH3 is far better than SH4 in almost all aspects IMO, I have tried em both, with many attempts to like SH4 but SH3 is a clear winner, no offense JU_88, as I said IMO.:yep:
No offence taken -its a mixed bag TBH :O:
I do agree that in terms of the enviroment, something about SH3s Visuals look cleaner and more convincing than an unmodded SHIV (which seems a bit gloomy and oppressive somehow.) Also the draw distance for all objects and the terrain was a big let down in SH4.
But, for the visuals on the actual Units, SHIV wins hands down IMHO, if you compare the T3 tanker from SH3 to the one form SH4, i think you'll agree there is no contest :DL
Overall i'd say that while Sh3 is clearly showing its age, SH4 is not.
AVGWarhawk
10-09-09, 10:58 AM
I will give both their own merits. SH3 does give the gloomy feeling of the cold winter Atlantic...modded of course. SH4 on its merit after some modding does provide a bright blue Pacific we see in pictures. One has to admit the clear water and seeing the ships hull beneath the water is quite cool. Know what, someone made a mod of SH3 colors for SH4. It was a very cool mod and brought the SH3 gloomy Atlantic feeling to SH4 :03:
i have to say the sh5 winter screenshots look fantastic but if i remember rightly didn't sh4 look good in the screenshots but poor when it was running - thats what i'm concerned about. Also the lack of interaction and feedback from the crew in sh4 - very poor and a step backwards from sh3. true if they start with the old engine and fix it, there's less to test and 6 months isn't very long. also the lack of feedback from the subsim meet could mean either there wasn't anything to shout about or they aren't allowed to. unless i missed the news of course...
Something for everybody. That is the best way. As far as SH3 and SH4 I think that everyone has their preferences and tastes. SH4 took a lot of massaging and prodding but it now delivers the goods not only in PTO but ATO, is it perfect, hell no, none of these products ever are. There will always be critics but remember for every critic there are hundreds of users that are out merrily enjoying their patrols.
As for SH5, looking forward to it as another chapter in this great genre opens and it will be awesome from all that we have seen and heard already.
kapitan_zur_see
10-09-09, 11:41 AM
i have to say the sh5 winter screenshots look fantastic but if i remember rightly didn't sh4 look good in the screenshots but poor when it was running - thats what i'm concerned about. Also the lack of interaction and feedback from the crew in sh4 - very poor and a step backwards from sh3. true if they start with the old engine and fix it, there's less to test and 6 months isn't very long. also the lack of feedback from the subsim meet could mean either there wasn't anything to shout about or they aren't allowed to. unless i missed the news of course...
I quite second that... And I can't remember having heard so much after the subsim meeting (why invite people from a public forum to see something, if it's to forbid them to speak on the forum? :hmmm:)
java`s revenge
10-09-09, 03:26 PM
I quite second that... And I can't remember having heard so much after the subsim meeting (why invite people from a public forum to see something, if it's to forbid them to speak on the forum? :hmmm:)
I agree kapitan zur see. Why?
msalama
10-09-09, 03:29 PM
Aye, it'll probably be SHIV with even more bloated graphics and a crapload of new bugs. Back to the friggin' Pacman then :arrgh!:
I actually believe that SHV is a new engine with new code, and I doubt that it will come out with all the bugs as in SHIV, they make that quite clear in a number of posts.:yeah: TBH the only thing that worries me is the cook constantly asking me to taste the soup every time I pass his way, can you imagine after a long cruise having that ladel thrust at you a hundred times you'd want to thrust it back as a suppository!!:x:yep:
Actually the other worry is that it steers away from a simulation to an arcade game, but I think this unlikely.:hmmm:
THE_MASK
10-09-09, 09:40 PM
I actually believe that SHV is a new engine with new code, and I doubt that it will come out with all the bugs as in SHIV, they make that quite clear in a number of posts.:yeah: TBH the only thing that worries me is the cook constantly asking me to taste the soup every time I pass his way, can you imagine after a long cruise having that ladel thrust at you a hundred times you'd want to thrust it back as a suppository!!:x:yep:
Actually the other worry is that it steers away from a simulation to an arcade game, but I think this unlikely.:hmmm:I might be wrong but i think there might be a dialogue box and a number of diffrent actions . Well heres hoping anyway .
Castout
10-09-09, 09:54 PM
I just ran over the last fellow who said he loved SHIV.
Can't even remember how many to this day :gulp:
Safe-Keeper
10-09-09, 10:31 PM
A fired torpedo may cause damage to other ships.
Fire torpedo?
_____ ____
| Yes | | No |
After running aground: "Your sub has crashed. Please tell BdU about this problem."
msalama
10-10-09, 04:48 AM
I actually believe that SHV is a new engine with new code, and I doubt that it will come out with all the bugs as in SHIV, they make that quite clear in a number of posts.
Nah, I was just BSing up there, and seriously speaking I too think it'll be better than it's predecessors. And as regards the FPS angle, well, IMHO it can actually make SH5 even more realistic if the simulation aspects of the game are not otherwise watered down.
In fact the only real worry I have concerning SH5 is whether this P.O.S. ageing computer of mine can run it, because for various reasons I'm still stuck with it for the time being :nope: But that's my problem and mine only...
But then the junker runs SH4 at medium settings without any hiccups at all now, although it indeed was a s**tstorm of a job to get it there... but here we are nevertheless, so maybe I've still got hope?
So yah, time for some good, tough and hair-raising Atlantic action again methinks :arrgh!: Although I wouldn't definitely say no to a fleetboat add-on / mod either!
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