What, No Tip? Service Charge Faces Struggle at Restaurants

[Onkel Neal]

Is the right to stiff the waiter as American as apple pie?

Thomas Keller, chef at the extravagantly priced Per Se restaurant in the Time Warner Center in Manhattan, does not think so. Indeed, he is taking tipping off the table at Per Se starting next month and replacing it with a flat service fee of 20 percent.

But in doing so, he is trying an approach that chefs and restaurant managers say has never caught on in this country for a simple reason: American diners relish the power of the tip to reward or punish their servers, and the servers want them to have it.


I've never been a big opponent to tipping, but it's getting out of hand. I'm tipping the car wash guy, the pizza delivery boy, even the Sonic girl these days. :timeout:

How much do you tip? How is it tied into the level of service you get?

[SteamWake]

Thomas Keller, chef at the extravagantly priced Per Se restaurant


Need we say more?

Eliteisim personified.

[Skybird]

I have always rejected "rules" for tipping, or seing them as a mandatory and/or polite thing. When the service was just okay, I give a small or medium tip, depending on the mood I'm in. If the service really got my positive attention, I give a generous tip.

And if I was unsatisfied or pissed, I give none. and I don't care a bit whether or not that is according to local traditions or economic structures in which expected tips have been substracted from regular loans - which is especially sick a system, imo.

A restaurant that takes no tips but raises prices by a hefty 20% in general, would see me moving in huge circles around it (not that I went to restaurants often. Longer time ago I have worked in a kitchen myself for some weeks when I was at university. Since then I have no more appetite to eat in restaurants. If you want quality meals - prepare them yourself, don't trust on restaurants and foreign people preparing the meal hidden from your eyes).

[Dowly]

Ow boy, I wouldnt even go to a restaurant with that name. :doh:

[Thomen]

I have always rejected "rules" for tipping, or seing them as a mandatory and/or polite thing. When the service was just okay, I give a small or medium tip, depending on the mood I'm in. If the service really got my positive attention, I give a generous tip.

And if I was unsatisfied or pissed, I give none. and I don't care a bit whether or not that is according to local traditions or economic structures in which expected tips have been substracted from regular loans - which is especially sick a system, imo.

A restaurant that takes no tips but raises prices by a hefty 20% in general, would see me moving in huge circles around it (not that I went to restaurants often. Longer time ago I have worked in a kitchen myself for some weeks when I was at university. Since then I have no more appetite to eat in restaurants. If you want quality meals - prepare them yourself, don't trust on restaurants and foreign people preparing the meal hidden from your eyes).

Well.. don't forget: In Germany, this 'service fee' is allready included in the price on the menu. However, I do still tip if it is appropriate and according to the service.

[mookiemookie]

It makes sense. The cost on the menu is the cost of the food. The tip is the cost of the service and that's up to the customer to determine the quality of and the size of the tip reflects it.

[danlisa]

Different approach in the UK, especially in Restaurants etc.

The commission is actually built into your bill. What would you prefer in this instance?

The option to tip based on your service, giving more if you feel it deserves it or just to have a fixed percentage deducted from your wallet by default.

Other than that, exclusively looking at the catering trade, I understand that US waiter/waitresses survive on tips, while in comparison the UK equivalents earn enough to not worry about it.

I don't agree with tipping because of public perception or the position of the person expecting a tip.

[AVGWarhawk]

The size of the tip is commensurate with the service given. If the server needs to be constantly asked to fill the drinks on the table or does not bring all that was ordered the tip will be 15% of the bill. If they are really bad the tip is much lower thatn 15%. If the server is excellent and or goes above and beyond, the the tip is much greater than 15% of the bill. I do not tip anyone but the folks in the restaurants. So, tipping is not getting out of hand in my part of the forest.

[AVGWarhawk]

Different approach in the UK, especially in Restaurants etc.

The commission is actually built into your bill. What would you prefer in this instance?

The option to tip based on your service, giving more if you feel it deserves it or just to have a fixed percentage deducted from your wallet by default.

Other than that, exclusively looking at the catering trade, I understand that US waiter/waitresses survive on tips, while in comparison the UK equivalents earn enough to not worry about it.

I don't agree with tipping because of public perception or the position of the person expecting a tip.

Problem in having the tip built into the bill is the server can do whatever they want and still get paid. That is awful. Like anyone else, they need to work for their money. Sluffing around and dragging butt is not the type of waiter I need.

[SteamWake]

they need to work for their money.

My god man what are you saying ! :o :har:

[AVGWarhawk]

My god man what are you saying ! :o :har:

Yeah, really! Hey, this weekend I had to replace my entire front door/jam and related molding around the door. Needless to say I was back and forth to the Lowes. I would have to say everyone said hello and were right their to help me. Quite a turn around from a year ago when you could find no one to help at all. I have notice quite a few stores have much more helpful workers now.

[XabbaRus]

Different approach in the UK, especially in Restaurants etc.

The commission is actually built into your bill. What would you prefer in this instance?

The option to tip based on your service, giving more if you feel it deserves it or just to have a fixed percentage deducted from your wallet by default.

Other than that, exclusively looking at the catering trade, I understand that US waiter/waitresses survive on tips, while in comparison the UK equivalents earn enough to not worry about it.

I don't agree with tipping because of public perception or the position of the person expecting a tip.


Is it? When ever I check there is nothing in the bill saying service charge included....

[danlisa]

Is it? When ever I check there is nothing in the bill saying service charge included....

Depends where you go. Restaurants break it down, likes of McDee or BK don't. You know how it is here, everything is stealth.....

[Thomen]

Problem in having the tip built into the bill is the server can do whatever they want and still get paid. That is awful. Like anyone else, they need to work for their money. Sluffing around and dragging butt is not the type of waiter I need.

Not really. It really depends on the restaurant owner and its staff. Just because the tip is included, does not mean the waiters are lazy. Sure, you get those, but you also get those here in the states, where they depend on the tip. ;)

[Thomen]

Is it? When ever I check there is nothing in the bill saying service charge included....

I think is usually written on the menu.

[Onkel Neal]

Well.. don't forget: In Germany, this 'service fee' is allready included in the price on the menu. However, I do still tip if it is appropriate and according to the service.


Good point. Are the prices in your area already adjusted for wait service?

Here, you must realize that the way it is set up, the restaurant only pays the server $2.35 an hour. (I do not endorse this scheme at all) If you do not tip at all, he is working at slave wages. How about all you "help the people" types, can you stiff the server just because he doesn't refill your tea as quickly as you wish? :hmmm:

[Thomen]

Good point. Are the prices in your area already adjusted for wait service?

Here, you must realize that the way it is set up, the restaurant only pays the server $2.35 an hour. (I do not endorse this scheme at all) If you do not tip at all, he is working at slave wages. How about all you "help the people" types, can you stiff the server just because he doesn't refill your tea as quickly as you wish? :hmmm:

If the server is bad, you don't tip. Many servers, though, still seem to think that tipping is mandatory.. hehe

Servers do not make that much in Germany either, mind you. Depending on the Restaurant, most of your income is based on sales commission.

Also, if I remember correctly, here in the US if you put the tip on the bill, with lets say your credit card, it will get taxed.

[August]

The size of the tip is commensurate with the service given. If the server needs to be constantly asked to fill the drinks on the table or does not bring all that was ordered the tip will be 15% of the bill. If they are really bad the tip is much lower thatn 15%. If the server is excellent and or goes above and beyond, the the tip is much greater than 15% of the bill. I do not tip anyone but the folks in the restaurants. So, tipping is not getting out of hand in my part of the forest.

That's pretty much how I go about it, with the one exception that i'll often give a breakfast waitress a tip equal to the entire meals bill. Only bar waitresses work harder and they're much better compensated than breakfast servers.

After all 15% of a $6 buck meal ain't all that much compensation for dealing with a bunch of people before they have their coffee.

[mookiemookie]

Here, you must realize that the way it is set up, the restaurant only pays the server $2.35 an hour. (I do not endorse this scheme at all) If you do not tip at all, he is working at slave wages. How about all you "help the people" types, can you stiff the server just because he doesn't refill your tea as quickly as you wish? :hmmm:

You can, but you will end up costing the server money. The IRS assumes that waiters are tipped 10% on every table and are taxed accordingly.

I tip 20% if the service was pleasant. If there were some hiccups, I'll tip 10-15%. I remember tipping a waitress a nickel before, but that was completely disastrous service.

[Schroeder]

Problem in having the tip built into the bill is the server can do whatever they want and still get paid. That is awful. Like anyone else, they need to work for their money.
And having it not built into the bill means that the server might work for free. That isn't just either is it? You got served and that is what you have to pay for (if you didn't get served at all you don't pay anything).

Sluffing around and dragging butt is not the type of waiter I need.How long would such a waiter do that before getting kicked out by the restaurant owner?
The tip is not the only motivation for good service.;)

[SteamWake]

How long would such a waiter do that before getting kicked out by the restaurant owner?
The tip is not the only motivation for good service.;)

Well it helps keep the managements payroll down for one thing.

The 'average' consumer knows when the servers are 'mailing it in" and respond accordingly.

[AVGWarhawk]

And having it not built into the bill means that the server might work for free. That isn't just either is it? You got served and that is what you have to pay for (if you didn't get served at all you don't pay anything).



So in your world having to constantly ask for drinks or not getting what was ordered is ok for a tip? I can see that you saying, 'you got served' is how you justify the tip. It is called service not 'you got served'. Like any other service, everyone expects good service...not just served. Cops serve you warrants. Waiter provided a service. You show up with your thumb in my soup a tip of any great value is not forthcoming. :D

[mookiemookie]

You show up with your thumb in my soup a tip of any great value is not forthcoming. :D

*Insert SH5 joke here*

[Thomen]

So in your world having to constantly ask for drinks or not getting what was ordered is ok for a tip? I can see that you saying, 'you got served' is how you justify the tip. It is called service not 'you got served'. Like any other service, everyone expects good service...not just served. Cops serve you warrants. Waiter provided a service. You show up with your thumb in my soup a tip of any great value is not forthcoming. :D

Well, you show up with your thumb in my soup, the soup goes back and the manager is called. In many cases that means a nice discount or a free meal. :D

[Thomen]

*Insert SH5 joke here*

:haha: :salute:

[AVGWarhawk]

*Insert SH5 joke here*

No soup for you! :nope:

:har:

[AVGWarhawk]

Good point. Are the prices in your area already adjusted for wait service?

Here, you must realize that the way it is set up, the restaurant only pays the server $2.35 an hour. (I do not endorse this scheme at all) If you do not tip at all, he is working at slave wages. How about all you "help the people" types, can you stiff the server just because he doesn't refill your tea as quickly as you wish? :hmmm:

Yeah but that is two fold Neal. How much of the tip is declared on the tax each April? :hmmm:

[Shearwater]

Problem in having the tip built into the bill is the server can do whatever they want and still get paid. That is awful. Like anyone else, they need to work for their money. Sluffing around and dragging butt is not the type of waiter I need.

Last Friday, I was out with a friend and had a couple of beers, at least that was the plan. We went to our usual pub and waited for the waitress. It was warm and we were sitting outside, but she didn't even bother to look (I could see her inside). After about half an hour, I went inside and said that we'd like to order ... :nope:
Needless to say, I didn't tip her. I guess she is/was new (don't come home that often anymore), and as I said, the service is usually good. The other waitress knows in advance what each of us is going to order, so we only have to confirm her suggestions. :DL

Here, you must realize that the way it is set up, the restaurant only pays the server $2.35 an hour. I didn't really know it was so little, but then again I guess it's a different system in the US. I usually just round up the bill to the nearest even number, so tips are usually around 50 cents when I just have a couple of beers. Even tips for a dinner with several persons hardly exceed 4 or 5 euros , and I don't think that's stingy.
So if you really want to punish bad service, your only way is not to go there anymore.

[mookiemookie]

Yeah but that is two fold Neal. How much of the tip is declared on the tax each April? :hmmm:

By law, servers are supposed to report all of their tips on taxes. Since many do not, the IRS set up the ATIP program in 2006 which, amongst other things, says that servers are to claim that they were tipped 10% of their sales each day. Now, a businesses participation in the ATIP system is voluntary, but in actuality most participate since non-participation increases their chances of being audited.

So if a waiter or waitress brings home less than 10% of their sales in a day in tips, they actually lose out since they're paying taxes based on the assumption they did. Essentially being taxed on money they never made.

[SteamWake]

but in actuality most participate since non-participation increases their chances of being audited.

Yup by your good friends at the IRS taxation through intimidation.

[Schroeder]

So in your world having to constantly ask for drinks or not getting what was ordered is ok for a tip?

I never said that, did I?:doh:
It was about that a service fee is included in the bill. The tip is entirely up to you. The service fee covers that the waiter brought you your meal. Without having it included the waiter might get nothing if guest feels like not paying a voluntary "fee" (I don't mean not only no tip but nothing altogether).

If the service was ok you can can give a tip as a token of appreciation.

[SteamWake]

I never said that, did I?:doh:
It was about that a service fee is included in the bill. The tip is entirely up to you. The service fee covers that the waiter brought you your meal. Without having it included the waiter might get nothing if guest feels like not paying a voluntary "fee" (I don't mean not only no tip but nothing altogether).

If the service was ok you can can give a tip as a token of appreciation.

Uhhh the severs generally earn a salary. That salary is low due to their anticipation of making up the difference through tipping.

Service fees are included in any bill for anything. Buy a jug of milk and your paying not just for the milk but the container, the farmer, the trucker, the botteling plant, and on and on. Same with resteraunts your not just paying for the slab of meat but the guy that cooks it, the gas used to cook it, and so on.


Order a glass of milk in a resteraunt you pay all that and then give a tip to the person whom brought it to you.

[AVGWarhawk]

I never said that, did I?:doh:
It was about that a service fee is included in the bill. The tip is entirely up to you. The service fee covers that the waiter brought you your meal. Without having it included the waiter might get nothing if guest feels like not paying a voluntary "fee" (I don't mean not only no tip but nothing altogether).

If the service was ok you can can give a tip as a token of appreciation.

The service fee is bogus IMO. It gives the server wide range in doing the job correctly or not doing such a good job. Then add more for a tip? Smells rotten to me.

[Skybird]

A waiter does his job, like a worker, a driver, a teacher. He invests also time during his shift in which he is not free to be "private" and do what he wants. So in general he should be payed by his boss per hour, not per guest, like any other employee, too. A tip should not enable him to make the living he needs, because his job wages should take care of that, if he is full time worker. That'S how I egnerally feel about it, and feel about things to be just and fair: if somebody does a full time job, his employer should pay him so that he can make a monthly living from that. Of course, like any employee, a waiter is expeted both by his boss and the guest to to a reasonably good job. And if he does not, he gets fired.

A tip is just an additonal and voluntary expression from a guest that he was pleased by the service. It is voluntary, and a gesture of good will and thankfulness. Not more. Or as Schroeder said: a token of appreciation.

But in many places and countries/local cultures, it is expected, and taken as granted. This smells wrong for me.

That'S why I do not accept local rules like "10/15/20% of the bill's value" should be given as a tip if you stay in this or that country.

Beyond that I must say that prices for restaurants in general have become so high that for me it is not worth it. I do not have the feeling that the money I have to invest gets a good return in value. The business has gotten pretty much porked, imo. That restaurasnt owners may say that their running costs are such and such, only means that their running costs contribute to the reason why the whole business branch got porked.

[AVGWarhawk]

@Skybird,

That is how it is done here in the state. I was a mechanic for Goodyear and I had a base pay of $200.00/week. The rest was commission pay. There are a lot of jobs here in the US that run the same gambit with base pay and commission. The only difference is the waiter gets a 'tip' instead of a commission. As a mechanic I got my commission on the work performed. My tip was having the customer come back for additional work, work on another vehicle of theirs or they told a friend. It paid for me to fix it right the first time on time. It pays for the waiter to serve it the first time on time and with a smile. Simple as that. If I screwed his car up it was very possible he got refunded and I got docked the pay for the work. Same with a waiter. He/she screws it up they get docked their tip.

[Skybird]

Yes, I heared that it is olike this in the US, but I do not know to what degree I can generalise it: if it is just in some regions like that, or in all America. Although it sounds sensible at first, I also see the backside of the it, and that is that it opens door and gate to excessive exploitation of employees, and busioness making a profit from not paying employees enough, with the share that is theirs being sacked by somebody else. I have been subject of such practices, too. I am no fan of wokring on commission. The ammount of the abuse it allows outweighs the gains in motivation, imo. And I live by the idea that if I work for soembody else, and do what is considered a regular full time job according to the standards of my living place, let'S say 5.5 days a week, 8 hours per day, this should mean that I get a regular payment by my employer that makes sure that I can can live from ma hand'S work for him and from my lifetime I invest and that is not free to me. What is beyiond a basic fee like this may be seen as luxury and thus object to customer' fairness. Because who says they are fair? Especially when they are low on money themselves? There are many people in oiur egoistic society who just sack in what they can grab and then run and hide, not caring gfor others. That's why in europe we have stronger sympathy than you guys in America for some basic things not being voluntary only, but obligatory. It helps to curb the wild beast capitalism's natural egoism a bit more. But both shouldn't be exaggerated, the European and the American way. Unlimited socialism does work as bad as unlimited egoism does. There must be found a golden path in the middle to keep a balance between legitimate interests of the individual and legitimate interests of the community.

[CastleBravo]

15% minimum. If its a delivery (pizza, Chinese) and the weather is inclement, which is why its being delivered in the first place, the percentage increases. At a sitdown place, 15%-20% depending how the service is, and perhaps who I'm trying to impress (if ya get my meaning:cool:).

[Task Force]

(even tho my parents leave the tip...)

I myself leave a tip depending on afiew factors.

1. servers attutude, if the server gives me a BS attutude, they will get a BS tip...

2. did they get me my drink and food right or did they screw up.

3. how much did they do.

4.did they forget about me...

in the end If they meet all these then I will give em... 4 dollars max.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, I heared that it is olike this in the US, but I do not know to what degree I can generalise it: if it is just in some regions like that, or in all America. Although it sounds sensible at first, I also see the backside of the it, and that is that it opens door and gate to excessive exploitation of employees, and busioness making a profit from not paying employees enough, with the share that is theirs being sacked by somebody else. I have been subject of such practices, too. I am no fan of wokring on commission. The ammount of the abuse it allows outweighs the gains in motivation, imo. And I live by the idea that if I work for soembody else, and do what is considered a regular full time job according to the standards of my living place, let'S say 5.5 days a week, 8 hours per day, this should mean that I get a regular payment by my employer that makes sure that I can can live from ma hand'S work for him and from my lifetime I invest and that is not free to me. What is beyiond a basic fee like this may be seen as luxury and thus object to customer' fairness. Because who says they are fair? Especially when they are low on money themselves? There are many people in oiur egoistic society who just sack in what they can grab and then run and hide, not caring gfor others. That's why in europe we have stronger sympathy than you guys in America for some basic things not being voluntary only, but obligatory. It helps to curb the wild beast capitalism's natural egoism a bit more. But both shouldn't be exaggerated, the European and the American way. Unlimited socialism does work as bad as unlimited egoism does. There must be found a golden path in the middle to keep a balance between legitimate interests of the individual and legitimate interests of the community.

Well if said employee feels exploited then he/she should look for a new job. There is always that option. Does it motivate? In most cases yes. In commission work does it motivate the employee to drum up work that does not need to be done so as to get paid commission? In the auto industry...certainly. At any rate, the folks knew the deal going into accepting the job. I worked as a bus boy for three friggin days and dumped that job like a bad habit. Really, it is what they want to make of it. I did well as a mechanic. I repaired what needed to be repaired and did it right the first time. Customers returned for other work and requested me. The only thing about commission work is attempting to balance a home budget. You can not when your week to week pay changes. Lets look at this way, if the tips really sucked there would not be any waiters/waitress'. There are plenty and I think the generosity is there concerning tips.

[Kapt Z]

It makes sense. The cost on the menu is the cost of the food. The tip is the cost of the service and that's up to the customer to determine the quality of and the size of the tip reflects it.


That sums it up for me.

[Skybird]

Well if said employee feels exploited then he/she should look for a new job. There is always that option. Does it motivate? In most cases yes. In commission work does it motivate the employee to drum up work that does not need to be done so as to get paid commission? In the auto industry...certainly. At any rate, the folks knew the deal going into accepting the job. I worked as a bus boy for three friggin days and dumped that job like a bad habit. Really, it is what they want to make of it. I did well as a mechanic. I repaired what needed to be repaired and did it right the first time. Customers returned for other work and requested me. The only thing about commission work is attempting to balance a home budget. You can not when your week to week pay changes. Lets look at this way, if the tips really sucked there would not be any waiters/waitress'. There are plenty and I think the generosity is there concerning tips.

That choice of freely take and leave jobs - is not a given for more and more people. they must just take what is available - if there is something available. In Germany we have the phenomenen of socalled 1-Euro-jobs. that are jobs recevers of social wellfare that have not managed to find oridnary, regular payed jobs are allowed to pick up (in order to not exceed the limits below which they can receive social wellfare, or as we call it: Hartz-IV payments. You are right, there are comynies that let them do their work and pay them one Euro per hour. That borders slavery. Now the point is that due to this siotuation, more and more comanies kill regular jobs, and declare 1-Euro-jobs. regular jobs get ikilled, 1-Euro jobs boom. Economic structures get established that depend on being allowed to just pay 1 euro in order to prosper, else they could not survuve and maintain these jobs. "That kills jobs!" that way becomes the argument why regular payed jobs shall not be supported by legislation, and why more 1 euzro jobs should be allowed. It is a vicious circle: people cannot afford not to work for just one lousy euro per hour, what they ened additonally is payed by public taxes, taxes shring because more and mor epeople cannot pay taxes, because more and more they work in cheap labour or 1-Euro jobs, who kill regular jobs.... The structural integrity of social communties get destroyed this way, ironically for that reason of - creating jobs. 1-Euro jobs. Fan-tas-tic. Even more, people in such jobs rightfully feel like slaves, and exploited, and many of their employers make a win by exploiting them. they do not have the freedom to just quit, and try something else, even more so if there have been better times when they had founded families for which they still are responsible after their jobs by which they have fed them got killed. which only confirms what I have said in various context often now: that there is no freedom if you are not strong in options between you can choose. People who have no options, are weak. And they are not free to reject a job just becasue they don't like it. It is a dependence of theirs that often - and more and more often - gets shamelessly exploited. And you have the nerve to generalise and just tell people not having a choice they should quit and find another job? One needs to be able to afford that, you know. And many can't. That'S why they do lousy work for one shabby Euro per hour. the government said when they invented this insane rule that they hope it would pave the way for people into regular jobs again. We know by now that this is wrong in the overwhelking majority of cases. Not only does it not pavve the way into regular contracts - it even kills regular contracts and replaces them with more modern slavery like this. Whole economic branches, especially in the service industry, are parasyting from this constellation without any scruples.

[Fincuan]

Ow boy, I wouldnt even go to a restaurant with that name. :doh:

Lmao :D

Apparently they haven't consulted any Finns before deciding on the name...

[RickC Sniper]

My base is 15%. I give more if the service is great, less if I feel they didn't earn it by being prompt or attentive enough.

I hate the concept of tips, period but I have a son who works weekends at a hotel\restaurant and he works damn hard for what he gets.

[mookiemookie]

I hate the concept of tips, period but I have a son who works weekends at a hotel\restaurant and he works damn hard for what he gets.

Agreed. I'd gladly welcome the whole system being scrapped and the tip being added into the menu price and have the wait staff paid a living wage instead of their $4900 a year "salary".

[antikristuseke]

I only tip if the service is good, but generaly dont go to places where people wait on me.

[Onkel Neal]

Agreed. I'd gladly welcome the whole system being scrapped and the tip being added into the menu price and have the wait staff paid a living wage instead of their $4900 a year "salary".

Agreed, that would be my preference. Then if you left a dollar tip for great service, it would mean something besides "Here, I hope this helps you avoid starvation".

[CastleBravo]

Agreed. I'd gladly welcome the whole system being scrapped and the tip being added into the menu price and have the wait staff paid a living wage instead of their $4900 a year "salary".

So what is the living wage you are talking about and is that the living wage cap? Perhaps a low wage is best because it allows people to get out of their feebleness and actually succeed. Individuality and low wages promote success.

[Platapus]

I am a big tipper.

It is my form of charitable/social/economic stimulus.

I will never give any money to someone begging on the street. But you show me someone who is struggling to work for a living and they will get my financial support. :yeah:

[Platapus]

There are some states that artificially increase a waitstaffs salary for tax purposes. In MN, at least when I was dating a MN waitress a million years ago, the state added 6% to her salary and she had to pay taxes on this salary+6% regardless of whether she got the tip.

So when people stiffed her for a tip, they were not only not giving her any money they were costing her additional taxes.

That does not seem right to me. :nope:

[Mush Martin]

on sunday last week my shift seated and fed 3700 people. :doh:
sadly no tips for the kitchen at the university. However when I
have done restaurant work the kitchen always received a share of
the tips, so If your waiter trips you up but the food is good and
done in a reasonable time, should you really holdout on the whole tip?

It's a long long way from the easiest job Ive ever done, its just
the one I enjoy the most.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip

M:hmmm:

[mookiemookie]

Individuality and low wages promote success.

You have got to be the most elaborate troll I've ever seen. I have to believe that as it's the only way I can fit my mind around such completely stupid statements such as this.

[Schroeder]

It does promote the success of the owner, doesn't it?;)

[Stealth Hunter]

It does promote the success of the owner, doesn't it?;)

Quite so.:haha:

[Aramike]

Agreed. I'd gladly welcome the whole system being scrapped and the tip being added into the menu price and have the wait staff paid a living wage instead of their $4900 a year "salary".I disagree. I have no problem with the Service Industry being compensated (and therefore judged) directly by the people they serve.

My philosophy about any job is simple: don't like it? Do something else.

[mookiemookie]

I disagree. I have no problem with the Service Industry being compensated (and therefore judged) directly by the people they serve.

My philosophy about any job is simple: don't like it? Do something else.

If everyone in the service industry did something else, there would be nobody left in the service industry.

[Aramike]

If everyone in the service industry did something else, there would be nobody left in the service industry.But that argument is based upon the assumption that everyone in the service industry is unhappy there.

There are plenty of people that make a decent, living wage as waitstaff.

[SteamWake]

90% of waitress are 'aspiring acteresses' :rotfl:

[AVGWarhawk]

But that argument is based upon the assumption that everyone in the service industry is unhappy there.

There are plenty of people that make a decent, living wage as waitstaff.


Yeah, they sure do. My brother-in-law owns a bar. The people who actually make the drinks make upward of $600.00 for three night work. Plus their hourly wage. Not bad for three nights working. They are happy.

[Aramike]

Yeah, they sure do. My brother-in-law owns a bar. The people who actually make the drinks make upward of $600.00 for three night work. Plus their hourly wage. Not bad for three nights working. They are happy.Exactly. One must wonder what they would think about being put on a base wage just because other people aren't quite cutting it...