View Full Version : Will SH5 be DX10 game .
THE_MASK
09-02-09, 07:15 PM
Will SH5 be DX10 game .
Most likely not, in my opinion.
XP and DX9 still far more popular than Vista/DX10 and Win7/DX11.
Task Force
09-02-09, 08:07 PM
(vista will support DX 11)
Might... ya never know..:yep:
SteamWake
09-02-09, 08:12 PM
So this means vista only?
Webster
09-02-09, 08:25 PM
So this means vista only?
the devs were saying they were making sh5 to cater to the masses and they were aware that in this economy it wasnt a good idea to force people to upgrade systems just to be able to play the game so my "guess" about what we will see would be some type of a multi platform application that works with xp and vista and dx9 friendly
Takeda Shingen
09-02-09, 10:13 PM
the devs were saying they were making sh5 to cater to the masses and they were aware that in this economy it wasnt a good idea to force people to upgrade systems just to be able to play the game so my "guess" about what we will see would be some type of a multi platform application that works with xp and vista and dx9 friendly
I don't know. I've heard that developers are really trying to phase out XP/DX9, much like the painful 98SE to XP transition. I hope that you are correct, though, as a lot of people are still hanging on to XP.
Task Force
09-02-09, 11:50 PM
Im sure it will support DX9&DX10 much like other games have... You will just not get the some effects.
DX10 looks absolutely amazing in some games, whether or not SH3 is or not won't influence my purchase. It's not all about the graphics when it comes to a subsim, good immersion beats overly good graphics any day :up:
cherbert
09-03-09, 05:14 AM
I have lots of games that have an option in the setting to use DX10 features. Just because it may support DX10 doesn't mean you won't be able to play it on Windows XP/DX9 machines.
So it is very likely that Silent Hunter 5 will offer improved visuals by way of DX10 enabled features.
TDK1044
09-03-09, 07:47 AM
The game will run on Windows 7, even the 64bit edition. :DL
DX 10 is a must for new games so it should support DX 10 (DX 9 is included ofcourse, I`ve never heard of game that runs only DX 10 yet)
SteamWake
09-03-09, 08:39 AM
DX 10 is a must for new games so it should support DX 10 (DX 9 is included ofcourse, I`ve never heard of game that runs only DX 10 yet)
Yet ;)
I'm still yet to see anything BIG from DX10. :roll:
Yet ;)
Anyone, who would make a game that runs only DX 10 nowadays, would make worst marketing move ever in gaming industry (maybe in 2-3 years DX 10 only games)...
Majority of ppl still using XP (I`ve got dual boot XP32/Vista 64 U so I`m ready for anything :up:) so it would be pure stupidity to neglect/ignore these people...
I'm still yet to see anything BIG from DX10. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7aPvedU7cI&feature=video_response
DX10 mainly emphasis on enviromental effects (shadows, lightning, smoke, dust etc.) It isn`t really BIG difference but definately there`s some you will notice (listen what narrator says).
Officerpuppy
09-03-09, 12:40 PM
I still have DX9 and just yesterday I read an article about the new DX11 cards coming out at the end of the year :damn:
Task Force
09-03-09, 12:41 PM
I still have DX9 and just yesterday I read an article about the new DX11 cards coming out at the end of the year :damn:
Yea... the nvidia 300 series, and I think ati has a card also.:DL
Arclight
09-03-09, 12:51 PM
They're kicking off with the 5850 and 5870. :yep:
Here Come The First DirectX 11 Cards (http://kotaku.com/5350558/here-come-the-first-directx-11-cards)
Iron Budokan
09-03-09, 05:45 PM
Im sure it will support DX9&DX10 much like other games have... You will just not get the some effects.
Exactly.
Task Force
09-03-09, 06:23 PM
They're kicking off with the 5850 and 5870. :yep:
Here Come The First DirectX 11 Cards (http://kotaku.com/5350558/here-come-the-first-directx-11-cards)
I still look foward to the 300 series more...:yep:
But who knows how theses cards will be... I hope there good.
Arclight
09-03-09, 11:25 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong, it's gonna be Nvidia for me as well. Just not sure if I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon right away or wait for 2nd-gen DX11 and pricedrops. :hmmm:
8800 still going strong, but she's beginning to show her age. Could use a little more umph for stuff like ETW and Crysis. :yep:
If you're to believe the rumors, it's gonna be "epic" (fanboys :roll: ).
http://www.techpowerup.com/66201/Possible_Specifications_of_the_GeForce_GTX_350_Eme rge.html
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm?thread=236721&bhcp=1 (don't read the comments on this one, it might be hazardous to your mental stability :nope: )
Task Force
09-04-09, 12:08 AM
lol... yea, but Its ither a 300, or a 275 sli/ 295... lol :yep: i never have liked ATI...
Arclight
09-04-09, 12:20 AM
Meh, cards are decent enough, but driver-support can take a while. Overall you'll have less head-aches running Nvidia, it's the same with Intel vs AMD. It's the "benefit" of going with the market leader; support is more forthcoming, but you pay a premium, usually for just a marginal advantage. :-?
My last experience with ATI was an AGP HD2600. Tried to get it running on Win7 beta, but wouldn't work (no hardware acceleration for video). Plugged in my trusty GeForce 6200, problem solved. Just run it with windows-driver and playback is 3x better than with the ATI card.
Task Force
09-04-09, 12:30 AM
yep... I also hate the CCC control panel...:yep:
Seeadler
09-04-09, 05:15 AM
I`ve never heard of game that runs only DX 10 yet)
Stormrise is on PC a DX10 only game, but it's a broken debacle in gameplay.
andycaccia
09-19-09, 07:57 AM
Ati 5000 series will be presented officially next week. Give them a month and they'll bury us under tons of reviews, tests, details, comparisons, performance charts etc...
I hope this will be dx11, since we will have new hardware and software. Of course the most customizable graphic settings will be, the better.
Task Force
09-19-09, 09:36 AM
I wouldnt think it wouldf be DX11. It hasent even been released yet...
Webster
09-19-09, 12:44 PM
I'm still yet to see anything BIG from DX10. :roll:
yep, im not a big reader but from what i have read about it is that dx10 was less popular and less liked than vista was :down:
i have seen something about dx11 finally giving gamers the wow factor that people were expecting from dx10 but didnt see
I don't know. I've heard that developers are really trying to phase out XP/DX9, much like the painful 98SE to XP transition. I hope that you are correct, though, as a lot of people are still hanging on to XP.
i flatout refuse to ever install vista. i'm skipping it entirely. when im ready to build a new PC, i'll get windows 7 for it.
as for now XP works just fine thank you.
I`ve never heard of game that runs only DX 10 yet
Had M$ not made it a vista exclusive... we wouldn't have this problem.
Takeda Shingen
09-20-09, 10:41 AM
i flatout refuse to ever install vista. i'm skipping it entirely. when im ready to build a new PC, i'll get windows 7 for it.
as for now XP works just fine thank you.
Yeah, you're welcome.
THE_MASK
09-20-09, 05:01 PM
Dumb question sorry , does windows 7 allow DX9,10,11 games features .
Arclight
09-20-09, 07:27 PM
Win7 includes DX11. Been playing both DX9 and DX10 games on the beta and RC (build 7000 & 7100), working great. :up:
FIREWALL
09-20-09, 07:47 PM
MS FSX is a dx10 game when played on Vista that plays just fine on XP dx9.
While they haven't said so . Why can't it be dx10 capable and can dumb down to XP dx9 ?
Again this info I think could be released without giveing away to much of the game.
I think alot should concerned about the duo-core requirement.
And I don't even want to discuss the laptop users who have probs with SHIV.
My ASUS G71GX laptop runs SH4 highest settings like its nothing.
FIREWALL
09-20-09, 10:19 PM
My ASUS G71GX laptop runs SH4 highest settings like its nothing.
Sorry if you took it personally ivank.
Some aren't so lucky. Read some of the posts of lowens laptop users.
I have. :03:
FIREWALL
09-20-09, 10:32 PM
MS FSX is a dx10 game when played on Vista that plays just fine on XP dx9.
While they haven't said so . Why can't it be dx10 capable and can dumb down to XP dx9 ?
Again this info I think could be released without giveing away to much of the game.
I think alot should concerned about the duo-core requirement.
And I don't even want to discuss the laptop users who have probs with SHIV.
Sorry if you took it personally ivank.
Some aren't so lucky. Read some of the posts of lowend laptop users.
I have. :03:
And now back to DX10 topic If we may.
If your Vid Card doesn't support it DX10, it wont matter anyway.
Arclight
09-21-09, 07:32 AM
Considering a lot of people still prefer XP over Vista, I doubt SH5 would be DX10 only. Everything up till now has been DX9 with a DX10 "mode" that adds some minor eyecandy. You'll notice it in comparisons if you know what you're looking for, but it isn't exactly revolutionary.
In Crysis for example, the clearest difference is from the addition of a new type of shader that has a higher precision. You'll notice vegetation, particularly on trees, has a slightly different position in DX10 mode. Big whoop. :roll:
Imho it's not an issue, nothing to worry about. ;)
Does the GTX 260M support the DX for SHV?
Arclight
09-21-09, 09:55 AM
Sure does, desktop equivalent would be something like 8800/9800GT; it's based on the G92 core that you find on those cards, which are DX10.
Should work, though some games don't "officially" support mobile chipsets.
Arclight
09-21-09, 01:27 PM
You mean if that 260M supports DX11? No, it's a DX10 chip. The first DX11 cards should make their appearance later this year, with Nvidia's GTX 300 series and ATI's 5000 series.
99% sure SH5 won't have DX11 features, considering it isn't mainstream yet (far from it, even DX10 isn't universally accepted yet). I wouldn't worry about it yet, at least untill those first cards see the light of day it's not worth wondering about.
THE_MASK
09-21-09, 03:49 PM
The way i understand it is , they have dx10 option in the graphics options of sh5 and you can turn them on or off depending if you have a dx10 card . Is this right . From what i have read dx 10.1 allows for a much better frame rate because developers can utilize the cards full potential .
Arclight
09-21-09, 04:45 PM
Some games run in different modes. Crysis can be started in DX9 or DX10 modes, for example. Others have DX10 exclusive options. For example, World in Conflict has an option to enable shadows from clouds and dual-monitor support, only if the system running it has DX10 support.
Technically a game should be faster in DX10, but in practice it varies. The extra eyecandy may well end up costing a little more performance. I think it comes down to optimization really. A game that's done purely in DX10 probably has better performance, because there are more efficient ways of getting the desired effect. But since not everyone can run games in DX10 yet, they wind up doing most in DX9, with some extra DX10 features tacked on. I think that if there are any performance gains to be had like that, they're probably minor at best, more likely negligible.
Crysis runs slower in DX10 mode than in "very high"-hack DX9 mode.
(you can't normally set "very high" in Crysis in DX9, but you can change the settings for "high" preset to match those of "very high", effectively enabling "very high" in DX9)
kptn_kaiserhof
09-26-09, 01:02 PM
the age old question ehh
Some games run in different modes. Crysis can be started in DX9 or DX10 modes, for example. Others have DX10 exclusive options. For example, World in Conflict has an option to enable shadows from clouds and dual-monitor support, only if the system running it has DX10 support.
Technically a game should be faster in DX10, but in practice it varies. The extra eyecandy may well end up costing a little more performance. I think it comes down to optimization really. A game that's done purely in DX10 probably has better performance, because there are more efficient ways of getting the desired effect. But since not everyone can run games in DX10 yet, they wind up doing most in DX9, with some extra DX10 features tacked on. I think that if there are any performance gains to be had like that, they're probably minor at best, more likely negligible.
Crysis runs slower in DX10 mode than in "very high"-hack DX9 mode.
(you can't normally set "very high" in Crysis in DX9, but you can change the settings for "high" preset to match those of "very high", effectively enabling "very high" in DX9)
Multiple monitor support for Silent Hunter would SO rock!
V.C. Sniper
09-26-09, 03:56 PM
DirectCompute in DirectX 11 for Windows 7 is going to be huge.
kptn_kaiserhof
09-27-09, 09:20 AM
i cant wait:rock::rock::rock:
andycaccia
10-02-09, 04:29 PM
It's not only a matter of graphic beauty/performance. Dx11 will bring a new tecnology which will allow to use multiple threads more efficiently.. . and this is only one of the new features this library will offer. I don't know the details, but i really hope this game will be dx11, not only for the graphic, but for the engine mechanics. Of course it will be dx 10 compatible, it has to be, for obvious reasons..
Arclight
10-03-09, 02:41 AM
The multithreading was possible in DX10. Not new, just improved. ;)
There are several games that will have DX11 support known already, SH5 is not one of them. But who knows, maybe they can work in some support. :hmmm:
Paulowanclift
10-11-09, 04:21 PM
The game will run on Windows 7, even the 64bit edition. :DL
SH4 runs fine on Windows 7 64bit, its what I'm running at the moment.
FIREWALL
10-11-09, 04:45 PM
The gaming community would laugh if SH5 didn't have DX10 and... DX9. DX11 capable :nope:
It's 2010 people when it's released.
You can't hold off upgrading for ever.
I expect DX10.
The General
10-11-09, 11:56 PM
I don't think it's unrealistic to expect SH5 to have DX11 compatibility at the top-end of the graphics slider. DX11 cards will be out for Xmas, way before the release of SH5.
Paulowanclift
10-12-09, 08:27 AM
It would make sense of the publishers also, after all graphical bling is a big selling point despite it not being as important as other aspects of the game. The PC gaming generation is getting older and plenty of people are able to get the new generation of hardware to make it worthwhile doing.
fireship4
10-12-09, 02:48 PM
I guess it would be too late to add it if they hadn't started with it in mind though, its not a simple change over - or is it?
kapitan_zur_see
10-13-09, 04:39 AM
DX11 is too early (especially for a game this far in development), DX10 is too vista-only. Maybe a bit of optional DX10 additionnal eye-candies, though mainly Dx9. It shows off in the screenshots anyway, even if the game is not finished, it should be too late now for the 3d engine to be way more detailed than what we saw. Couldn't be that much different I guess. And everything we saw doesn't even reach the limits of Dx9, so it should be way enough.
Now "eye-candy" aside, To get the optimization for better FPS one could get with dx10 (or later on dx11) over Dx9, a game would probably best be developed primarily for dx10, and that's never gonna happen because of Vista failing to replace XP (and with win7 coming out and its dx11)
Adriatico
10-13-09, 04:56 PM
As repeated many times... SH5 should last for years and years...as all the serious sims.
If it is to be released 6 (or 8) months after Win7 it should be Dx11...
Othervise, it would be graphically obsolete game - at date of release :dead:
Stories about Vista and Dx10 will be very soon extinguished ( except some Amazonia and NewGuinea remote tribes... :88) )
kapitan_zur_see
10-14-09, 02:50 PM
As repeated many times... SH5 should last for years and years...as all the serious sims.
If it is to be released 6 (or 8) months after Win7 it should be Dx11...
Othervise, it would be graphically obsolete game - at date of release :dead:
Stories about Vista and Dx10 will be very soon extinguished ( except some Amazonia and NewGuinea remote tribes... :88) )
It's a sim, it doesn't have the budget of blockbusters games :yep:
Even if you use your imagination to extend a bit on what the screenshots already reflects of the game, it can already be considered "obsolete" to nowadays highest standards (wich are usually found in FPS games)...
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