Shot at Dawn?

[Randomizer]

April 1943, torpedoed a hospital ship in error but finished the patrol with two other ships totalling 13,700 GRT not counting the big white thing with the red crosses on it (at least I assume it was big and white and red all over, never got a good look at it in the filthy weather conditions at the time of the attack. No excuse I know).

Got back safely to the St. Nazaire bunkers on the 26th of the month ok but showed up dead on arrival. The SH3 Commander profile has the boat, U-581, intact (well damaged but 94% H.I. remaining) and the crew in good health with only the captain dead. Incurred a renown penalty of -7553.45 but didn't expect it to be fatal. The only thing I can figure is GWX had me shot at dawn pour encourager les autres.

DiD, no problems if that's the case, just wondering if this is what happened so any insights are welcome. Thanks.

In any event I think I will cross hospital ships off my hit list in the future so as to avoid lead poisoning.

[FIREWALL]

Head for Argentina !!! :shifty: :haha:

[={FH}=Paddy]

Hope no one minds, but I "accidently" took down 16 hospital ships last night. Woops

LOL - classic!:yeah:

Lead poisoning will be the least of your worries!! :haha:

[sharkbit]

April 1943, torpedoed a hospital ship in error...

You're going to hell.:03:

Don't worry though, all of us U-boat captains are going there too.

Didn't they they tell you in Commander School that the big red crosses are NOT targets?

:DL

[Randomizer]

Didn't they they tell you in Commander School that the big red crosses are NOT targets?:DL

Guess I snoozed through that lesson but they really do make great aiming points!

Checked the GWX manual which states:

Players will incur an enormous penalty in renown for sinking a hospital ship, which they can find on any ocean at any time.
I suppose death qualifies as an enormous penalty...

[Jimbuna]

I hear them say the eastern front is quite pleasant at this time of year http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Brag]

Bernard is in charge of the firing squad. You can expect a slow death. :cool:

[Randomizer]

Bernard is in charge of the firing squad. You can expect a slow death. :cool:
Perhaps his own troops will shoot him instead and I can escape in the confusion, fleeing to England in a stolen Type XXI.

On second thought, probably not. Just leave the pistol on the end table on your way out...

It's not like sinking a liner full of widows and orphans or a T-2 beer tanker. Stupid hospital ship:dead:

[Pacific_Ace]

Damn, SH3 is more harsh than I ever thought! :timeout:

[bookworm_020]

Could be worse, you could always walk the plank!:arrgh!:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

April 1943, torpedoed a hospital ship in error but finished the patrol with two other ships totalling 13,700 GRT not counting the big white thing with the red crosses on it (at least I assume it was big and white and red all over, never got a good look at it in the filthy weather conditions at the time of the attack. No excuse I know).

Got back safely to the St. Nazaire bunkers on the 26th of the month ok but showed up dead on arrival. The SH3 Commander profile has the boat, U-581, intact (well damaged but 94% H.I. remaining) and the crew in good health with only the captain dead. Incurred a renown penalty of -7553.45 but didn't expect it to be fatal. The only thing I can figure is GWX had me shot at dawn pour encourager les autres.

DiD, no problems if that's the case, just wondering if this is what happened so any insights are welcome. Thanks.

In any event I think I will cross hospital ships off my hit list in the future so as to avoid lead poisoning.

In all seriousness... to answer your question... that is indeed what happened. Your virtual U-boat captain was executed by the Kriegsmarine for warcrimes/deriliction of duty, for sinking the hospital ship.

In building GWX, we ensured that it was coded as such.

[irish1958]

R.I.P.

[Randomizer]

In all seriousness... to answer your question... that is indeed what happened. Your virtual U-boat captain was executed by the Kriegsmarine for warcrimes/deriliction of duty, for sinking the hospital ship.

In building GWX, we ensured that it was coded as such.
Cool. Thanks Kpt. Now I only need to finish two more careers (both late war) and I can upgrade to GWX 3.
Good Hunting

[Lt.Fillipidis]

But IRL the Kriegsmarine would do such thing?
I recall Uncle Doenitz saying something about leaving enemy sailors to their fate when a ship is sunk whether it was near land or not.

[Brag]

But IRL the Kriegsmarine would do such thing?
I recall Uncle Doenitz saying something about leaving enemy sailors to their fate when a ship is sunk whether it was near land or not.

In RL only one U boat commander was charged and convicted of war crimes.

Kriegsmarine officers were meticulous to comply with the laws of war. :salute:

[irish1958]

That is true.
The overwhelming number of officers in the KM were professional officers who served their country in an honest and moral way.
WAR is not nice. When the lawyers have several years to analyze what one had to do in a split second with inadequate data, they often will have a different (and to them) a perfectly reason and highly moral solution to the problem, with which they will attack you as the worst bastard on two or four feet.
They are up to their knees in horse dudu!!!:damn:

P.S. guess my profession:arrgh!:

[Mopy]

You said 'what one had to do', so something posh :know: Officer maybe, or something technical.

[Randomizer]

Actually I consider the GWX response to sinking a hospital ship to be entirely reasonable but would have liked it better had there been some sort of randomization (no pun intended) in the sanctions as applied.

Would also suggest that the KM's honour or lack thereof is not the issue here in any way shape or form. In a regime that would kill millions, placing one of their own up against a wall to serve some percieved political or military necessity certainly happened and nothing Doenitz could say would likely make any difference at all. Of course for public effect the solution might not call for a show trial at all but maybe a pistol or cyanide capsule and a moments inattention by sympathetic jailers or old comrades would achieve the same results.

In this case it's Spring 1943, the tide of the war is obviously turning against the Nazis and perhaps (well outside the realm of SH3) this hospital ship sinking created problems with important neutrals, Ireland, Sweden or Spain for example. It does not take a big leap of faith to imagine sacrificing a mere Kaluen on the alter of expediancy.

I am satisfied with Kpt. Lehmann's explanation and the manner in which GWX deals with this situation. The honour of the U-Boat force is not for this debate in my opinion.

Good Hunting

[Leandros]

The honour of the U-Boat force is not for this debate in my opinion.

Good Hunting
Nor their political Leadership.....

[Checkmate King 2]

I hear them say the eastern front is quite pleasant at this time of year :har:

Once you arrive, you'll get a promotion to a PLO!!!!

A Perminate Latrine Orderly!!! :rotfl:

[sharkbit]

:har:

Once you arrive, you'll get a promotion to a PLO!!!!

A Perminate Latrine Orderly!!! :rotfl:

Beats sitting in a trench watching wave after wave of T-34's coming at you. :p2:

:)

[kbak303]

I suppose you can kiss me skipper good by then...

Just figured I'd be an idiot and take a shot at a nearby tanker, and well....13000 plus meters...and wouldn't you know it, not only does it hit, but I get the 'she's going down...with one eel...:down:

I suppose it's firing squad at dawn...:timeout:.....and to think I refused the mandatory retirement just to head to the Med:arrgh!:

UPDATE: _
-8356 renown....listed as dead in the ending mission....
Off the coast of Egypt, 84% realisim using GWX and Commander