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Go watch this on youtube
you see a sub killing ships
and kamikazee, and bad things... :(
In color :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmyq2OJOVDw&feature=PlayList&p=E2C1F46F42449212&index=4
VipertheSniper
08-25-09, 06:57 PM
Wow that's some f*cked up sh*t, shooting at survivors.
Blood_splat
08-25-09, 09:17 PM
The magic of editing.
Surely it is editing.. The video editor could of taken any color video from World War 2 of a sailor shooting the BAR and Tommy Gun and placed it in front of the other clips of the Japanese. I pray that it is it..
mookiemookie
08-25-09, 11:25 PM
I couldn't make it past the "music" in the video. What crap. :down:
I couldn't make it past the "music" in the video. What crap. :down:
That's true! Definitely raised an eyebrow :doh:
Surely it is editing.. The video editor could of taken any color video from World War 2 of a sailor shooting the BAR and Tommy Gun and placed it in front of the other clips of the Japanese. I pray that it is it..
Maybe.. maybe not. Who knows? But, there are documented incidents where survivors were shot. :nope:
Contact
08-26-09, 01:42 AM
Nice video :|\\
Music is also cool, very fits this footage :)
Contact
08-26-09, 02:00 AM
Maybe.. maybe not. Who knows? But, there are documented incidents where survivors were shot. :nope:
You see.. it's a proof that, at war there are no saints.
Jimbuna
08-26-09, 11:43 AM
That same footage has been used here in the past to argue Japanese survivors were murdered......and was inconclusive I must say. It is too easy to edit film to portray the perception your supportive of.
Contact
08-26-09, 11:56 AM
That same footage has been used here in the past to argue Japanese survivors were murdered......and was inconclusive I must say. It is too easy to edit film to portray the perception your supportive of.
Why would somebody want to edit it ? 2:53 clearly shows how a soldier with a pistol in hand shoots at survivor..
IMO it is not a fake untill it is prooved to be so.
SteamWake
08-26-09, 12:18 PM
That same footage has been used here in the past to argue Japanese survivors were murdered......and was inconclusive I must say. It is too easy to edit film to portray the perception your supportive of.
Yea this one pops up from time to time and bandied back and forth with no real resolution.
IMO it is not a fake untill it is prooved to be so.
I say its a fake untill proven otherwise... so there ;)
VipertheSniper
08-26-09, 12:19 PM
Even if it is edited, it's certainly not a pleasure to watch, and yeah the music is bad. I didn't watch the whole video because of the sequence of the sailors shooting at whatever...
Btw: something which has always bothered me in those WW2 videos about subs, how do they take pictures of the sub diving from the stern of the sub? I mean that's surely no footage of a sub on a mission. Yeah it looks cool and all that, but it doesn't really add to the video. Would be much cooler to see the one who stands with the camera on the conning tower, in the other scenes, rushing down the ladder and seeing the hectic in the command room after he's down.
Why would somebody want to edit it ? 2:53 clearly shows how a soldier with a pistol in hand shoots at survivor..
IMO it is not a fake untill it is prooved to be so.
the guy was obviously dead already when they shot him
Contact
08-26-09, 12:29 PM
Yea this one pops up from time to time and bandied back and forth with no real resolution.
I say its a fake untill proven otherwise... so there ;)
I ussually trust my eyes.. :)
calling it fake is too easy
Contact
08-26-09, 12:31 PM
the guy was obviously dead already when they shot him
Couple seconds before he was machine guned. So obviosly he got killed. And then shooting the dead guy don't you find it weird also ?
Raptor1
08-26-09, 12:36 PM
Actually, the kamikaze pilot killed himself with a grenade in order to avoid capture, that video showing him machine gunned is edited.
Or, at least, that's what I heard last time I saw that footage, I can't see how a submachine gun would make such a big splash too.
Contact
08-26-09, 12:40 PM
Actually, the kamikaze pilot killed himself with a grenade in order to avoid capture, that video showing him machine gunned is edited.
How do you know he was a kamikadzee pilot ? Maybe he was a sailor from Japaneese ship ? This video is not all about kamikadzees if you payed attention.
And Blah blah blah edited again. next ? :)
Raptor1
08-26-09, 12:43 PM
How do you know he was a kamikadzee pilot ? Maybe he was a sailor from Japaneese ship ? This video is not all about kamikadzees if you payed attention.
And Blah blah blah edited again. next ? :)
Because last time I saw that footage they also said it was a kamikaze pilot (I don't remember exactly where it was, but I'm quite sure it's this one).
Shooting survivors did happen a lot on both sides, but this case seems rather bogus.
Contact
08-26-09, 12:48 PM
Because last time I saw that footage they also said it was a kamikaze pilot (I don't remember exactly where it was, but I'm quite sure it's this one).
Shooting survivors did happen a lot on both sides, but this case seems rather bogus.
Who are THEY ? Maybe they said something they had not had a clue themselves what they talking about.
Correct, shooting survivors happened in both sides.
The cause I'm pushing this discussion further is that I feel that some people don't want to take this fact for real as they see something like that. Why ?
SteamWake
08-26-09, 01:12 PM
wth is a kamakadzee ?
Raptor1
08-26-09, 01:22 PM
Who are THEY ? Maybe they said something they had not had a clue themselves what they talking about.
Correct, shooting survivors happened in both sides.
The cause I'm pushing this discussion further is that I feel that some people don't want to take this fact for real as they see something like that. Why ?
Well, since what I recall doesn't count, It's still easy to disprove it (Even though I can't prove he is a kamikaze pilot, but that's irrelevant).
The video shows 1, possibly 2 (If one considers how the water looks before the hit), big blasts, while fire from a submachine gun as seen would have made many smaller splashes. The color of the water and the ambiance in the parts before/after and during the submachine gun footage is clearly different, also the direction in which the shooter fires compared to the camera is completely wrong compared to the footage where you see the gun supposedly hitting the man.
Contact
08-26-09, 02:08 PM
Well, since what I recall doesn't count, It's still easy to disprove it (Even though I can't prove he is a kamikaze pilot, but that's irrelevant).
The video shows 1, possibly 2 (If one considers how the water looks before the hit), big blasts, while fire from a submachine gun as seen would have made many smaller splashes. The color of the water and the ambiance in the parts before/after and during the submachine gun footage is clearly different, also the direction in which the shooter fires compared to the camera is completely wrong compared to the footage where you see the gun supposedly hitting the man.
Ok I will have a deeper look at the video tomorrow and will give my response. Currently watching basketball Lithuania - Greece game, having a beer :up:
This video is not from me so... the bad music is not my fault :DL
Jimbuna
08-26-09, 04:42 PM
wth is a kamakadzee ?
I'll let you know tomorrow......after I've ordered it with boiled rice from the local takeaway :DL
Contact
08-27-09, 02:25 AM
Well, since what I recall doesn't count, It's still easy to disprove it (Even though I can't prove he is a kamikaze pilot, but that's irrelevant).
The video shows 1, possibly 2 (If one considers how the water looks before the hit), big blasts, while fire from a submachine gun as seen would have made many smaller splashes. The color of the water and the ambiance in the parts before/after and during the submachine gun footage is clearly different, also the direction in which the shooter fires compared to the camera is completely wrong compared to the footage where you see the gun supposedly hitting the man.
Yes the whole video is not a continuous peace of work. The whole video is made from many filmed peaces and joined in one in logical line. That is the only edit that I can see. Otherwise it wouldn't fit to 6:54 time. I could argue about how high the water splashes from a submachine gun would be (with/without object contact in the water) but I think it is also irrelevant. Color of the water can change in the ocean from the angle you're looking at the water, even the waving can slightly change the color tone of the water.
Shooter fires into the left, then camera shows splashes around victim to the right. This can also lead that there were more than one camera man on board filming the same moment. One guy was filming the shooter, another at the same time the victim in the water. Later those peaces were joined in together.
Raptor1
08-27-09, 01:40 PM
This seems to say the same as me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjPucHmoOzU
If you look before the explosion part, you can see him (probably) pulling out the grenade.
Congratulation!
The Video is now a fake :)
Contact
08-28-09, 01:49 AM
This seems to say the same as me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjPucHmoOzU
If you look before the explosion part, you can see him (probably) pulling out the grenade.
Very good Raptor :cool:
One question left to answer to a comment below the video.
"Considering that Japanese handgrenades had fuzes which required a pin to be removed-
*after which the fuze needed to be activated by hitting it against a hard surface* !
Soldiers would normally use the heel of their boot for that purpose.
How on earth did this fellow manage to do that trick...under water...? "
Raptor1
08-28-09, 02:58 AM
Very good Raptor :cool:
One question left to answer to a comment below the video.
"Considering that Japanese handgrenades had fuzes which required a pin to be removed-
*after which the fuze needed to be activated by hitting it against a hard surface* !
Soldiers would normally use the heel of their boot for that purpose.
How on earth did this fellow manage to do that trick...under water...? "
The Type 23 grenade, originally a Chinese design, did not have this feature. The Japanese also developed the rather crude Type 4 grenade later in the war but I am not sure how hard it was to activate or if it would have worked in water.
Also, it could have been a captured grenade from any number of enemies, I can see why a Japanese pilot would keep one in case something like this happened.
Contact
08-28-09, 03:11 AM
The Type 23 grenade, originally a Chinese design, did not have this feature. The Japanese also developed the rather crude Type 4 grenade later in the war but I am not sure how hard it was to activate or if it would have worked in water.
Also, it could have been a captured grenade from any number of enemies, I can see why a Japanese pilot would keep one in case something like this happened.
Right, since we don't have a clue what type of grenade that was it's a dead end. This also explains why some of the downed pilots where shot while approaching the boat. There was a real threat that grenades carried by these pilots could be tossed onboard a ship killing or wounding people there. :-?
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