So you think you know us

[Kapitan]

Based on a post i made earlier i would ideally like to see your views and how you portray the Russian people and to see just what you make of them.

I like xabbarus and probably others are in a unique position because we have lived or had some serious connection with both west and east and can see it from both sides.

From what i gather of british and american thinking is that russia is a rouge state hell bent on the distruction of america and hate americans with a passion, and that russia is the agressor nation within the world.

Id like to make this known that Russia is activly helping both british and america in iraq and afghanistan right now with the war on terrorism, it might not be in a millatry capacity but more a civil one.

So i ask what do you personally think of russia and its people and what leads you to this belief ?

this is part of the post i made over in the falklands war 2 thread i cropped a bit off as it was about the falklands but this is the part that is important.

I know the post sounds aggressive its not intended to be an aggrsssive piece more frustration of the people who are being labled singled out and effectivly bullied this is east looking west and for once giving thier view.

I hope this doesnt start a flame war please no stupid comments because it just upsets the mods and it irritates people the purpose of this post is purely what and why you think Russia is a threat to the world more so the americans i hope we can remain civil.


The west cant see past thier noses and that is a fact we demand every country be a democracy and every country conform to a world order and if that country doesnt conform they are politically embarrased by us western nations sanctioned and then singled out for further humiliation.

Yet this goes against what the west is trying to stand for isnt a democracy a freedom of choice, speech, and government? so why is the USA UK NATO UN and the likes trying to take this away from a country ?
it seems non conformists to the world order are publically embarrased and unfortunatly as a citizen we hear day in day out about how these rouge nations are developing weapons to kill us all this is to scare us if they had them surely they would have used them by now?

Russia is a good example of this, recently two submarines were off the US east coast this made headline news even international news, yet like any other country in this world they have the legal right of navigation without hindrence in international waters, yet both submarines were probably being hounded by american naval vessels submarines and aircraft for the entiraty of thier patrols.
The big thing is "they pose a threat to national security they are operating close to american shores they have the potential to strike our nation"
And mr Obama do you not think for one moment why the Russians are doing this? maybe just maybe its because you have parked a few submarines off the russian coast so its only fair they send some to yours just to make it a point as in the like.

Or how about your policies of not entering terratorial waters the last time i checked murmansk was very deep inside Russian waters so far so it could be seen as a declaration or intent and you photographed it well done not only that years later you realse the pictures (it was intresting viewing them MR Obama i thank you much) but you moan and groan when a russian submarine does it to you.

Russia has the capability to ending america right now and america also has the same capability to end russia now these new missile shields, which a treaty was signed i do believe in the 1970's stating a missile shiel could not be constructed as it would give an overall impunity to one side and the effects of MAD would deminish making one side a supreme power rather than just having two super powers this was signed by the americans who now amazingly u turn on this.

poland and check rep are due to have the missile barriers installed who's missiles are they going to target should a launch occour? Iranian missile dont have the range to strike the EU let alone american and north korea can just about hit japan so of course it leads to only one other country capible of nuclear launch Russia.

As you guys know i have experiance in russia and i know what they feel, the reason they send submarines to your coast lines is because your doing it to them america betrayed the russians in the 1990's and continues to betray russia now and when a strong leader comes to power and says to america "shut the f**k up" you dont like it that is why in polls Vladimir putin scores a high 90% no one wanted putin to leave office which in my view a bad thing that he did in that capacity but it is good that he stays on he has done alot for the country something you americans british german have not seen will never see because your not there.

You cant expect democracy to evolve over night and people to adapt to it, especially because Russia has never had a democratic government in its entire history brezhnev tried and failed the only way is putins way and that is build slowly on even blocks.

I say this to the american government get your heads out your backsides start thinking before accusing think about what your going to do and who its going to effect and upset and then you may have more contries who are willing to conform.

I found a good documentary its done by the BBC and a british reporter but he lives in russia and has done since the 1990's take a look its done from russia's perspective and not american or british.

PART 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvnutD4WIYA
PART 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z_xCOoApXk
PART 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toi6faBE6UI

Your american government thinks they know all about Russia and its people sadly your sorely mistaken its amusing to see someone who has never lived in russia walked down the streets of moscow or st petersburg or spoken to the people pass a judgement about these people they dont even know theres a big lesson to learn you think you know Russia and its people think again.

[Takeda Shingen]

If I remember correctly, you were born, raised and resided all of your life in Great Britian, correct?

[Kapitan]

born in the UK yes i havnt resided in the UK all my life i spent about 7 years in Russia and still visit normally once a year atleast, i poses a duel citizenship for both the UK and Russia.

[Sledgehammer427]

I have a deep appreciation of Russia, and its people. They are always solid competitors in the olympics, and I have a friend there whos just the most awesomest girl you could ever meet.

[Dowly]

I was raised to be aware of the Winter War & Continuation War, so I cant say I love Russians. BUT, I dont think it's fair to base my opinions to something that happened almost 70yrs ago.

So, from my personal experience, I've met two russian families that were close to my father (the guys played bandy in a team my father was involved in). They were great! Ow and as for the drunk part, they visited our summer cottage and drank the same as everyone else, but they ate little snacks all the time, so they ended up being almost sober at the time everyone else were pissed drunk. :DL

I also met a russian gal few years back who was a friend of my friend's GF, one thing lead to another and I had pretttty fracking great night with her. :sunny: I wonder where she is atm. :hmmm:

[GoldenRivet]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8BqjQ3bBqfw/RmcO2TKWqjI/AAAAAAAAAIA/UoSFNz-hsCQ/s1600/10204873043807071fba11ux9.jpg

I dont care if she speaks english or not...or if Russia is hell bent on conquering the world... fine... as long as i get to surrender fully to her.

EDIT: what happened to the russian sailor girl image?!?!

[OneToughHerring]

I've never been to Russia but I've learned some of the language and read some Russian history, military history mostly. I've mostly read about European history and I think Russian history is linked with European 'destiny' in many ways. Russia was founded as a western nation in the east, to stop the marauding eastern hordes from plundering the ripe orchards of the central and southern Europe.

As a country Russia has the capacity to surprise people. It's just a vast nation, demographically and geographically too. The geographical size of Russia is mind boggling, normal flat maps don't do justice to the size and scope the whole of the Russian land, let alone what it used to be when it was Soviet union.

As for Russian people, I've known a few of them. I've noticed that Russian women kind of travel around, sort of wonder around without an attempt to settle down and study etc. They are very nice looking and they can certainly hold their liquour. One problem with Russians is the alcohol, especially with men. I think the average age of men is around 60 when they die, mostly due to alcohol related things.

[Oberon]

Russia, nice place, good people. Still not quite sure what to make of the leadership, but it's nowhere near as bad as the days of the big bad old Bear of the Cold War ;)

Now just stop playing chicken with our Eurofighters :O:

[Freiwillige]

What do I as an American think of Russia?

I think they have some of the most beautiful women in the world, Oddly enough they also sport some of the ugliest!

I think that Putin is a mans man and nothing like our nancy boy president. Funny cause now the Russians have their Reagan and we have our Comrade Obama!

I think that Russia is on the right path politically and economically.

I think Russia still has a little bit of the Communist Russia against the world syndrome (Though not much)

I think that I like Russians and even lost some of my sexual innocence to a hot teen redheaded one who's family defected during the cold war in the mid 80's.

[Oberon]

To add to my somewhat brief post, regarding the Russian government, I'm not anti-Putin, in fact I like the whole personality he's built up around himself as the tough guy of Europe. I mean, Putin goes out and wrestles with Tigers whilst Brown picks litter with Hoodies... :hmmm:
However, the echoes of the Cold War are still quite loud, the recent overhaul of the Russian nuclear missile system in response to the US Unified Strike Command, it's all still a bit icey and seemingly getting icier.
But, one mans poison is anothers delight and it will surely be a thing of national pride for Russia, just as our Type 45s and Astutes are for us.
As I have stated before, Russia needed a tough man to clear up the mess following Yeltsin, to clear away the decade of stagnation following the glasnost and Soviet collapse and build Russia up again, and they got that man in Putin, and I salute him for that, but I wouldn't trust the guy as far as I could throw him (then again, I would say the same about Brown...).
Some things will never change, and that mentality from the 1950s-1980s seems to be something that hasn't. Russia has gone from being ally, to enemy, to laughing stock and now back to cautious ally but possible enemy.

Another thing I do love about Russia, your music! Such stirring musical pieces, Katyusha, Polyushka Polye, The Great Patriotic War, Kalinka, Ochi chyornye, the Russian national anthem, all such beautiful stirring pieces which really stand out amongst any parade of anthems or musical pieces.

Spasiba :up:

[Melonfish]

Based on a post i made earlier i would ideally like to see your views and how you portray the Russian people and to see just what you make of them.

I like xabbarus and probably others are in a unique position because we have lived or had some serious connection with both west and east and can see it from both sides.

From what i gather of british and american thinking is that russia is a rouge state hell bent on the distruction of america and hate americans with a passion, and that russia is the agressor nation within the world.

Id like to make this known that Russia is activly helping both british and america in iraq and afghanistan right now with the war on terrorism, it might not be in a millatry capacity but more a civil one.

So i ask what do you personally think of russia and its people and what leads you to this belief ?

this is part of the post i made over in the falklands war 2 thread i cropped a bit off as it was about the falklands but this is the part that is important.

I know the post sounds aggressive its not intended to be an aggrsssive piece more frustration of the people who are being labled singled out and effectivly bullied this is east looking west and for once giving thier view.

I hope this doesnt start a flame war please no stupid comments because it just upsets the mods and it irritates people the purpose of this post is purely what and why you think Russia is a threat to the world more so the americans i hope we can remain civil.


you know i'm sorry but i find this post to be horrifically offensive, how DARE you tar me with the same brush as your narrow minded insights.
simple fact russia is a beautiful country which is recovering from years of mis-use and finding its footing in the world once more as a country. i know russian's personally and i'd call them all soul to the earth people i have nothing against russia and i would love to go there one day and wander round, meet people and generally explore it seems a fascinating country, in work my friend mentioned that in the winter his mother saves money on electricity by turning the freezer off and burying their food. and all i thought was "kewl". so No i don't have a problem with russia thanks very much.

don't post material like this and not expect to get BBQ'd you wouldn't walk up to a guy in the street and call him a bigot and expect to get away scott free either.. :-?

[Max2147]

I'm not sure if my views are typical of Americans, but I have a lot of respect for Russia.

I don't see Russia as a country that wants to conquer the world, but I think they have a chip on their shoulder. They are proud, powerful, and paranoid. They think they should be treated like a superpower, just like the US. Now that Putin has the country back in order, they see that as a realistic goal. They still have immense military power, and now that they're finally extracting their natural resources they have immense economic power as well. Finally, I think Russia is very suspicious of outsiders and always afraid that other countries are teaming up and plotting against them. These fears aren't entirely unjustified, but Russia's natural suspicion causes a lot of unnecessary tension.

I think Russia is power-hungry in a way, but not in the old Soviet take over the world way. I think Russia's quest for power is motivated by security needs, not by ideological desires. They want to make sure that the countries around them will never have the strength or desire to threaten Russia or help somebody else threaten Russia. This quest for power is inextricably linked to Russia's security fears.

[August]

The only Russians I've ever met face to face were a family of immigrants who were friends of my parents back in the 1960's. We've since lost touch and I don't know all the details of their story but they lived in fear that the Soviet government would find out where they were and did everything they could to hide their heritage, including changing their surname and moving regularly which is probably why we eventually lost touch with them.

Beyond that simply put the Soviets were the enemy of my youth. I am a child of the cold war who has taken part in air raid drills in preparation of a Russian nuclear attack. As a young man I patrolled along the Iron Curtain and have seen the wreaths the Germans would place along the border to mark where people had died trying to escape the so called "workers paradise".

All that is supposedly changed now that the Soviets are out of power but it worries me that critics of the Russian government have a nasty habit of winding up dead. I think I would have a difficult time ever trusting one.

[Takeda Shingen]

born in the UK yes i havnt resided in the UK all my life i spent about 7 years in Russia and still visit normally once a year atleast, i poses a duel citizenship for both the UK and Russia.

I was not aware that you had dual citizenship. Very good.

[AngusJS]

I speak Russian and lived in Moscow from 2004 to 2007.

Most Russians that I knew personally were nice. I liked most of my flatmates, really liked my coworkers, and I don't think I'll ever have a better boss than the one I had there. Their work/life balance is much more sane than in the US.

Their bureaucracy is really really bad. I once was denied an apostille for a Russian college diploma because it was signed in blue ink, not black ink. That "error" resulted in another 6 months of waiting and endless trips to the college and the &#@%^ Ministry of Education, as I refused to partake in bribery.

I've heard that the Russia today has more bureaucrats than the Soviet Union did, which had twice the population and a planned economy. Way to go Putin!

All but one of the TV stations were conservative, and they competed to see who could suck up to the Kremlin the most. Critical stories on local or regional matters were allowed, but I don't think I ever saw anything critical of Putin himself.

I don't like Putin, and I don't like what he's done to Russia. I'm a democrat, and am against the rule of the one "official" party, the Putin-jugend (which is not to be taken too seriously, but is absurd and is indicative of Putin's cult of personality), and the ever greater concentration of power in the presidency. Some Russians would make the case that Russia first needs stability before it can become truly democratic. I can see where they're coming from, but good luck getting the power back then.

OTOH, most Russians honestly do love Putin. He would be reelected even without the TV media doing everything in its power to ensure that result.

It sometimes seemed to me that for Russians, world history ended in 1945. They don't really understand why Eastern Europe is so pissed off at the them. I think this is reflected in the media as well. There were documentaries and dramas about the many domestic crimes of the Soviet Union, but I never saw anything about what it did to other countries.

If my country had been murdering its own citizens wholesale less than 60 years ago, I don't know how I could live here, but apparently for Russians it's no big deal. Maybe that's how it is everywhere, though - I got something of the same feeling during my short time in Cambodia.

I never had any problems in Russia stemming from my being American or a Westerner. But Russians are still suspicious of Western governments, both the EU and the US. In Russia the Cold War continues on, albeit in a much diminished form. They miss being a superpower, and this drives their foreign policy.

Anyway, sorry for the rambling post.

And boy, could I go for a shaurma now! (I know, not ethnic Russian food, but they were my main form of sustenance for years there, and I miss them dearly.)

[Frame57]

Ahhh yes. I actually got quite drunk with some Russian submariners. We treated each other like brothers. We understood our roles in our respective navies. They were like me. They like poontang and all the other good things in life. They all were dsirous to have the liberties I enjoy. Not one wanted a new Soviet empire, but a strong Russia that is a place to envy and live a free life in. Freedom I have found is universally bred in most of mankind. The governments we allow screw it up for the people.

[Letum]

The only Russian I know personally speaks about the racism and homophobia
in Russia. It seems to be common in many parts of the '2nd world', but I
understand it is slowly changing.

[Jimbuna]

I'm anything but an expert on Russia...the few I have met were just as ordinary and natural as the majority of people from other countries I have met.

There are good and bad in every society in life....I tend not to believe the viewpoints many politicians try to impose on us.

Speaking from personal experience is far more accurate IMO.

[Freiwillige]

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/history/30-05-2008/105391-russian_women-0

too funny today I came across this.

[OneToughHerring]

Although I have to say I hope the situation for Russian women has improved since the early -90's and there are no stories like the one in this movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgxW1FwfbAo) coming up anymore.

[Sailor Steve]

I was born into a racist society (Dallas, Texas in the 1950s) and grew up hearing bad things about people of color. I also grew up in the wake of World War 2 and saw and read a lot of bad things about Germans ("They're all Nazis"). It was also the time of the Cold War, so of course all Russians are Communists and therefore evil (are even all Communists "evil"?)

My experience, however, is that people are people. There are ones who will step on anybody to achieve whatever goals they have at the moment, ones who will enslave others because they feel superior, or inferior, or just because they can do it. But by and large people just want to get along and make their lives better. I've met people from all over the world, and for the most part I've liked them, and vice versa. Anybody I don't like is because I don't like them personally as individuals.

And the Russian government? I don't trust any government, including my own. I've read what other people have had to say about the Russian government over the years, but I don't know anything really, so I can't say anything one way or the other.

[Letum]

I was born into a racist society[...]

[...]My experience, however, is that people are people.[...]
There seems to be a juxtaposition in saying that you grew up in a society that
had a particular property, but then claiming that people the world over are
generally the same and it is the individual and not societies or nations as a
whole that are good or bad.

[Freiwillige]

Sounds like a punk song from the 80's

"I was born in a Racist society, Did not feel anything inside of me
If only i could teach the world to see, that society has done pissed on me!

My middle finger became my weapon of choice, In this land where nobody has a voice. Cant you see 50's mom is in decay, Atom bombs well make them all pay!

Cause I was born in a Racist society, feel the wrath of overflowing empathy, of this land thats rotting in its own decay, the youth of tommorow never has a F@#%ing say!"

Sorry for the tangent just my past catching up to me.:rock:

[Rilder]

Ushankas are awesome hats. :)

[CaptainHaplo]

The "average" Russian is little different from the average European or American, or any other person for that matter. Many see good and bad in their government, they celebrate family and friends, etc.

Old prejudices die hard, and unfortunately they perservere not so much in the common person, but more often in the halls of governance, on all sides. For example, the missile defence shield is used as a reasoning for national rallying, when Russia could instead be a PART of the process. But for those in power, it is easier to create tension to focus attention, or as we say in America, allow the tail to wag the dog. American politicians do the same, just so there is no misunderstanding or "America is better" claims (though in the traditions of freedom it undeniably is).

In many ways, the two countries are more similiar than they are different at the "grass roots" level of people. Many would say that corruption is more of a problem there, but I would say that jerrymandering, pay to play and other such government corruption shows that America is just as politically corrupt. Business corruption however is more rampant from what I have seen. Local corruption is worse, but that simply is based on the fact that the people themselves have no true control over who runs the local show. However, the "worse-ness" is a matter of degrees, not huge jumps.

I have no problem with the average russian, european or american. I will repeat something I got from my dad, and I have said more than once to my son. We all bleed red. Judge a man on his actions, not his background.

To that end, I have little to judge, as my direct experience immersed in Russian culture is limited. However, what I have observed shows me little difference in reality between them and anyone else.

[Rilder]

I was born after the Cold war and thus there is no prejudice toward Russians, would love to even live in Russia and learn Russian some day. :DL

Of course my beautiful girlfriend gave me other plans then to live in some nice cold country...

[TLAM Strike]

Russia has the capability to ending america right now and america also has the same capability to end russia now these new missile shields, which a treaty was signed i do believe in the 1970's stating a missile shiel could not be constructed as it would give an overall impunity to one side and the effects of MAD would deminish making one side a supreme power rather than just having two super powers this was signed by the americans who now amazingly u turn on this.

poland and check rep are due to have the missile barriers installed who's missiles are they going to target should a launch occour? Iranian missile dont have the range to strike the EU let alone american and north korea can just about hit japan so of course it leads to only one other country capible of nuclear launch Russia.

Sorry Kap but you got a few things wrong there. That treaty (the ABM Treaty) allowed both sides to field a system that would protect only one target in each nation, the Russian deployed a system to protect Moscow (and its ICBM bases near by), the US was to have one to protect NORAD and the ICBM silos near it but it was only operational for a few months (called Safeguard). Also we followed the treaty when we withdrew (6 months notice).

Also Iranian missiles can hit Greece, Cyprus and Bulgaria which are all part of the EU. In the space of a few years Iran has gone from being able to only hit targets in the Mid East to targets in Southern Europe. What range will their Missiles have in 2020? Paris and London maybe? Interceptors based in Poland and the Cech Rep make sense in that case.

Many countries are devloping ABM systems, India for example is devloping both Endo and Exo Atmospheric interceptors... oh and India has Nuclear Weapons and is building an SSBN too... In 20 or 30 years could India be a threat to the US or Europe? Who knows, as Larry Niven wrote "But you see in intelligence work we have to go by capabilities, not by intentions. If a potential enemy can do something to you, you have to prepare for it, without regard to what you think he wants to do."

[nikimcbee]

I've got my degree in Russian and went to school there in the mid-90's.

The people are nice but the politics are goofy, but so is ours.;)

[XabbaRus]

When in the 90's and where did you study?

[TLAM Strike]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8BqjQ3bBqfw/RmcO2TKWqjI/AAAAAAAAAIA/UoSFNz-hsCQ/s1600/10204873043807071fba11ux9.jpg

I dont care if she speaks english or not...or if Russia is hell bent on conquering the world... fine... as long as i get to surrender fully to her.

EDIT: what happened to the russian sailor girl image?!?! Seems to show up if you cut and paste the link.

Before you surrendering don't forget what we got defending the good old USA...
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9112/p5304897.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/p5304897.jpg/)

[Castout]

I also met a russian gal few years back who was a friend of my friend's GF, one thing lead to another and I had pretttty fracking great night with her. :sunny: I wonder where she is atm. :hmmm:

I am Sam the wizard and the wise I know where she is

Having a pretty fracking night with man just like you :rotfl:

Too bad it wasn't a permanent relationship for you or at least a longer one.:)

Well never met a Russian, exchanges emails with a few.
But I can say that they are smart people. Just that the west painted a picture that they are somewhat inferior with emphasis on their war technology but I think they are really smart capable people. No wonder they were such a threat during the cold war. A bit rough on the edges, perhpas due to language barrier but overall nice people.

But again i've come to realize that people are the same inside whether they are chinese, mongols, Russian, Caucasian, Indian, poor, rich.....people are much more a like inside. Disclaimer I'm not a leftist in fact I don't know what a leftist is. So don't label me. I'm everything and nothing put together. It's called confused. So no wonder I'm always confused. I have to refer to a piece of paper to see my name from time to time. I think it doesn't fit me. lol

[geetrue]

Why does the good ole USA hate Russia?

We don't really hate the people ... we just don't trust the leaders.

Probably started with Stalin purging his nation of 20 million people from among his own countrymen.

Russia bribed two spies and stole the US atomic secrets could have started our path to calling Russia our emeny.

Perhaps some of their threats to bury us have caused our leaders to become wary of their motives.

Perhaps Russia's supply of air to air missiles and funding along with China of course in the Vietnam war caused a problem.

I was born near the end of WWII joined the Navy in 62 reported aboard my first submarine in April 63 and made five patrols on FBM's all during the cold war.

I was raised and trained to hate Russia ... as a sonar supervisor I read top secret (with need to know) reports about the Russian submarine service.

I often wondered who these people were that we had trained 16 missiles on day and night for each patrol.

I got out in 71 and made myself busy providing for my family. Reagan came along and said "Gorbachev tear down that wall" and by golly gee they did it.

The thaw came ... then I met a man from Russia at a swap meet down in San Diego. I just grabbed his hand and shook what seemed like the hand of a bear. He couldn't understand why I was so happy to meet him even after explaining that he was the first person from Russia that I had ever met.

No I don't hate the people of Russia, but just like our present leader in charge of the USA ... I sure don't trust them.

I have become a seeker of the truth in these last twenty four years of my life. One of the men I have met back in 87 in Southern California was from Romania.

Dumitru Duduman is his name and he has suffered at the hands of the Russians more than anyone I know for distributing bibles and smuggling them into Russia.

They put him into a cell with a trap door that lets rats into the cell. All the rats died. The head of the KGB called on him in jail and allowed him to come to his home to pray for his very sick son. The son got healed and the KGB officer turned over all of the bibles they had confiscated to him as a way of saying thank you. He had to leave his country due to the persecution, but he returned after the cold war for a few last years.

Dimitri died in 1996 and left a few words about Russia that have me a bit concerned, but the Lord has always reminded me to be careful what I think.

“For [/URL]My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord. Isaiah 55:8

Prophecy received by Dumitru Duduman September 1984

Due to the nature of Mr. Duduman's visions, most people do not want to read his visions.

I guess it is only natural to want to bury one's head in the sand.
If Father God says something is going to happen then it will happen.

If on the other hand He says something will happen to a nation unless it repents, then it is up to the peoples of that nation to repent in order to avoid the pronounced judgements.

So you tell me - do you think that the population of this nation will repent and seek righteousness?

Late one night I could not sleep. I went outside and walked around saying,

"God! Why did you punish me? Why did you bring me into this country (America)?

Suddenly a bright light came toward me. I jumped to my feet because it looked as if a car was coming directly at me, attempting to run me down!

As the light approached, it surrounded me. From the light I heard the same voice that I had heard so many times in prison.

He said, "Dumitru, why are you so despaired?"

I said, "Why did you punish me? Why did you bring me to this country?

I have nowhere to lay my head down. I can't understand anybody.

Why did you bring me here to burn? Why didn't you let me die in my own country?

You should have let me die in jail in Romania!"

He said, "Dumitru, didn't I tell you I am here with you also?

I brought you to this country because this country will burn."


Dumitru went on to say, "This was not a dream or a vision. I was awake just as I am now."

Shortly before Dumitru died he had this vision: http://revlu.com/dd.html (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1158800#_ftn1)

A Vision Received by Dumitru Duduman, April 22 1996

I was still awake, when suddenly I heard a trumpet sound in my vision
I was in America. I saw 3 men dressed alike. Two of the men carried weapons.

One of the armed men came to me. "I woke you to show you what is to come.

He said. "Come with me." I didn't know where I was being taken,
but when we reached a certain place he said, "stop here!"

A pair of binoculars was handed to me, and I was told to look through them.

"Stand there, don't move, and look. You will see what they are saying
and what they are preparing for America."

I saw a great light. A dark cloud appeared over it.
I saw the president of Russia and a short, chubby man,
who said he was the president of China, and two others.

The last two also said where they were from, but I did not understand
but I gathered they were part of Russian controlled territory.

The Russian president began to speak to the Chinese one.

"I will give you the land with all the people, but you must free Taiwan of the Americans. Do not fear, we will attack them from behind."


A voice said to me, "Watch where the Russians penetrate America."
I saw these words being written - Alaska, Minnesota, Florida.

"When America goes to war with China, the Russians will strike without warning."

The other two presidents spoke, "We, too, will fight for you."
Each had a place already planned as a point of attack.

All of them shook hands and hugged. Then they all signed a contract.
One of them said, "We're sure that Korea and Cuba will be on our side, too.

Without a doubt, together, we can destroy America."

The president of Russia began to speak insistently,
"Why let ourselves be led by the Americans?

Why not rule the world ourselves? They have to be kicked out of Europe, too!

Then I could do as I please with Europe!"

The man standing beside me asked,
"This is what you saw: they act as friends,
and say they respect the treaties made together.

But everything I've shown you is how it will REALLY happen.
You must tell them what is being planned against America.

Then, when it comes to pass, the people will remember the words the Lord has spoken."


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[MothBalls]

I'll chime in here because of personal experience.

In the 60's in the US, we were basically fed propaganda telling us Big Bad Ivan wanted to take over the world, communism was going to enslave all of us if we didn't die in a Russian mushroom cloud first. They showed us pictures of old Russian women in scarves standing in line for bread and cheese in the freezing snow, showed pictures of Russian coal miners covered in soot and told us this was what the average worker looked like. When I was in the military, we trained to fight against our enemy, the Russians. I was taught Russian in the Army because they were our enemy.

In later life while working in corporate America, I had the opportunity to travel to Russia and work with them on some joint projects. (Enron and Gazprom) First hand I learned that all of the propaganda was just that. BS made up by fear mongering politicians to justify our military industrial complex.

I was also told by Russian people my own age that they too were fed the same propaganda, that they would be enslaved and exploited by capitalist pigs. They were shown pictures of tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, and told this was a typical life in America.

As for the country, Moscow is probably one of the most beautiful cities in the world. I've been there three times and look forward to going back again. The people there were no different than anywhere else in the world. There's good and bad in every crowd, but that is the same all over the world.

I did find that the women were exceptionally beautiful and took really good care of themselves. I later learned the reason this is part of their society is because of WWII, so many men were lost and the women were in strong competition for husbands.

Now that I'm older it much easier to see the truth. A great country, a rich culture with a long history of accomplishments, tarnished by the wrong people in power. The general population were forced to suffer through decades of hardship through no fault of their own. most of them are just like any normal person. They just want to live a good life, in peace, and wish the same for everyone else.

People all over the world are good, it's the damn governments that can't get along.