Global warming sparked by ancient farming methods

[SUBMAN1]

The Global Warming crowd is really grasping at straws this time. :roll:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/08/18/ancient.global.warming/index.html

It's like they think the Earth has ever been stable in any thing or any time!!! :damn: If this is true though, why is our current temps of the last 50 years still below the 3000 year average? Farmers must have caused global cooling is what they will tell you next.

The Global Warming people are all a bunch of idiots.

-S

[danlisa]

I find that both sides of this argument demonstrate stupidity and the usual sensationalism when 'reporting' details of Global Warming.

It's like they think the Earth has ever been stable....That's true, the earth has been through the warming and cooling cycle hundreds of times before and has always recovered.

Using the correct term, "Accelerated Global Warming", which has only been evident since the human race started mass events, be it the ancient farming methods you mention or the production of pollutants, I find the article to be correct in it's assumption that anything ejected into our atmosphere and in large enough quantities will accelerate global warming.

[ETR3(SS)]

Blame the cave men! They've doomed us all!:rotfl:

[antikristuseke]

The Global Warming crowd is really grasping at straws this time. :roll:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/08/18/ancient.global.warming/index.html

It's like they think the Earth has ever been stable in any thing or any time!!! :damn: If this is true though, why is our current temps of the last 50 years still below the 3000 year average? Farmers must have caused global cooling is what they will tell you next.

The Global Warming people are all a bunch of idiots.

-S

Nice one, logical fallacies abound.

Pleace provide the citation for your 3000 year average temp claim. Other than that, you are making a mountain out of a molehill, this is just one piece of research on the subject and you make it sound as if this was the scientific concencus.

[SteamWake]

Blame the cave men! They've doomed us all!:rotfl:

Ultimately you are correct :haha:

[Stealth Hunter]

Blame the cave men! They've doomed us all!:rotfl:

Well actually these people weren't "cavemen" as the stereotype goes among the typical masses. They were nomads. Well- most of them were nomads. You had a few places here and there where they'd decided to settle down and build settlements, but most people at the time were nomadic in nature. Actually the people of 7,000 years ago were very sophisticated for their time. The first real civilizations had started to tale root, people had learned to domesticate animals for food and transport (stemming mainly from China after they rounded up hogs), and people had begun devoting more time to things like arts and crafts instead of survival- which had been their primary focus before lol.

As it stands SUBMAN, your title is quite misleading (no doubt intentionally). The article merely states that deforestation by early civilizations is partially responsible the CO2-O ratio's inbalance (because after the after the industrial era began and factories began emitting more and more pollutants into the atmosphere; less trees = more CO2 buildup). It's quite a simple concept really. I'm surprised nobody bothered to investigate it until now.

[Letum]

I'm surprised nobody bothered to investigate it until now.

Ideas about pre-historic carbon release and it's effect on climate are nothing new.

[Stealth Hunter]

The idea isn't; research into the idea is.

[Spike88]

Blame the cave men! They've doomed us all!:rotfl:

They have, if they hadn't discovered fire, we'd still be eating raw meat and living in caves. :yeah:

[CastleBravo]

I have experienced the mildest summer since moving here in 1991. My air conditioning use is at 8x this summer. Long time residents remember when A/C wasn't even thought of in this part of the country. Climate change, created by man, only happens in the minds of the weak-minded.

Scientists looking for the next grant are suspect.

[Stealth Hunter]

Though we certainly haven't changed as far as extinguishing resource supplies is concerned.:nope:

Climate change, created by man, only happens in the minds of the weak-minded.

I suggest you pick up more information for future mental use on the matter, because we've known for a good 15 years that humans are having an impact on the temperatures of the planet. Not as badly as people like Al Gore claim, but we are still having a significant impact. I suggest you start with some papers and resources. I'll recommend you to the Woods Hole webpage simply because they're one of the best and most reputable scientific organizations you could ever hope to come into contact with.

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/index.htm

[CastleBravo]

Though we certainly haven't changed as far as extinguishing resource supplies is concerned.:nope:

So where would you like to stop 'extinguishing resource supplies', when it affects your life? Is there a line you would like to draw? No, there never is, its always others who must sacrifice, which is why your argument falls flat on folks who think..

[CastleBravo]

Though we certainly haven't changed as far as extinguishing resource supplies is concerned.:nope:



I suggest you pick up more information for future mental use on the matter, because we've known for a good 15 years that humans are having an impact on the temperatures of the planet. Not as badly as people like Al Gore claim, but we are still having a significant impact. I suggest you start with some papers and resources. I'll recommend you to the Woods Hole webpage simply because they're one of the best and most reputable scientific organizations you could ever hope to come into contact with.

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/index.htm

I suggest you look outside your window and use some common sence.

[Stealth Hunter]

So where would you like to stop 'extinguishing resource supplies', when it affects your life?

It's not a matter of where I'd like to set the line. It's a matter of where we HAVE to set the line. The simple fact of the matter is that if you use up all the resources available to you, you're going to have a lot of trouble come up and slap you in the face. Social trouble, economic trouble, environmental trouble, you name it and it will be affected.

Easter Island is a perfect example of what happens when resources are completely used up. Everything collapses into chaos in the end.

Is there a line you would like to draw?

Of course, but where I would want to draw it would screw us all in the end.

No, there never is, its always others who must sacrifice,

I sacrifice plenty for the good of the environment. I drive a hybrid van, I don't overuse the AC (unless it gets above 100*), I use low-watt lightbulbs, and I recycle. There are a bunch of other things I do, but you get the picture.

which is why your argument falls flat on folks who think..

Clearly you're not one of those people.

[CastleBravo]

If one is so commited to change the the world one has to do it on their own.show an example.......you don't want a change, or show an example, if it incorporates you. :nope::nope::nope:

[Stealth Hunter]

I suggest you look outside your window and use some common sense.

I am. Have been all evening just because of the clouds. Right now, it's dark, it's really hot, and I'm really tired. Anything else?

Lol @ "common sense" (fixed, BTW). This is not an issue of common sense; one man's common sense is another man's folly. All it is, is a matter of scientific fact. Temperatures have been rising all over the world for the past 40 years in correlation with CO2 and CFC emissions; any idiot who has used the internet can check out NASA's Goddard Institute sometime for the numbers... or even National Geographic for that matter.

Hell I just gave you a link to Woods Hole, one of the most distinguished scientific organizations in the world. Run through their numbers. A good portion of it pertains to ocean temperatures, but a good portion also deals with atmospheric temperatures.

You know what? I'll make it simple. There's a guy on YouTube- Potholer54-- who does these scientific and debunking vids for his subscribers. Cites all his sources so you can check them, gives feedback to commentators, you get the picture. I'll give you some links to some of the stuff he's worked on with the global warming issue. You don't have to read anything... except for a few graphs and charts and references that he puts in there. Otherwise, it's simple. And if you want to double check his facts, all you need to do is a Google search.

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo&feature=PlayList&p=CC82CBB17C7EC4FA&index=0&playnext=1

The rest are in the playlist box to the right.

[CastleBravo]

I am. Have been all evening just because of the clouds. Right now, it's dark, it's really hot, and I'm really tired. Anything else?

Lol @ "common sense" (fixed, BTW). This is not an issue of common sense; one man's common sense is another man's folly. All it is, is a matter of scientific fact. Temperatures have been rising all over the world for the past 40 years in correlation with CO2 and CFC emissions; any idiot who has used the internet can check out NASA's Goddard Institute sometime for the numbers... or even National Geographic for that matter.

Hell I just gave you a link to Woods Hole, one of the most distinguished scientific organizations in the world. Run through their numbers. A good portion of it pertains to ocean temperatures, but a good portion also deals with atmospheric temperatures.

You know what? I'll make it simple. There's a guy on YouTube- Potholer54-- who does these scientific and debunking vids for his subscribers. Cites all his sources so you can check them, gives feedback to commentators, you get the picture. I'll give you some links to some of the stuff he's worked on with the global warming issue. You don't have to read anything... except for a few graphs and charts and references that he puts in there. Otherwise, it's simple. And if you want to double check his facts, all you need to do is a Google search.

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo&feature=PlayList&p=CC82CBB17C7EC4FA&index=0&playnext=1

The rest are in the playlist box to the right.

All very well and good....but what are you doing in personally to combat the global change evil?

[Stealth Hunter]

If one is so commited to change the the world one has to do it on their own.

And so I am.

show an example.......

I believe I already have.

you don't want a change, or show an example, if it incorporates you. :nope::nope::nope:

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/picard-facepalm.jpg

Pay attention to what I said in that post, sonny-Jim. Wait, you're trolling aren't you? That or you are just entirely unenlightened as to anything on this matter and are just being persistent that you know what you're talking about when- in reality-- you don't know a damned thing lol.

[Stealth Hunter]

All very well and good....but what are you doing in personally to combat the global change evil?

I drive a hybrid van, I don't overuse the AC (unless it gets above 100*), I use low-watt lightbulbs, and I recycle. There are a bunch of other things I do, but you get the picture.

Bleedin' Jesus on the cross.:nope:

[Stealth Hunter]

I'm going to bed. If you post here again, then I'll be posting back tomorrow.

[CastleBravo]

I drive a hybrid van, I don't overuse the AC (unless it gets above 100*), I use low-watt lightbulbs, and I recycle. There are a bunch of other things I do, but you get the picture.

Bleedin' Jesus on the cross.:nope:

Sounds like we are on the same plain, except I drive a vehicle which doesn't need enviromentally unsafe batteries. Yet I don't think warming or cooling are human caused.

[Aramike]

Sounds like we are on the same plain, except I drive a vehicle which doesn't need enviromentally unsafe batteries. Yet I don't think warming or cooling are human caused.So wait - you think that man can pump literally billions of tons of emissions into the atmosphere that wouldn't otherwise be present and it will have no effect?

Indeed, over the last few years the average global temperature has seen a decline (even though they are fairly dramatically up over a 50 year average. However, average global temperature doesn't mean all that much if you consider that only certain areas are extremely sensitve, such as the polar icecaps.

Now, should that region on its own see a dramatic enough increase in temperature that it bleeds a significant amount of fresh water into the ocean its going to change currents and temperatures, which WILL effect the global climate (the El Nino phenomenon demonstrates this CLEARLY). Will it be as disasterous as the Al Gore alarmists claim?

Probably not.

My problem with the scientific "consensus" of Global Warming is three-fold. First, as I previously mentioned, the alarmists have decided to use their platform to promote a worst-case scenario, even though the science clearly doesn't understand the situation enough to make such a prediction.

Secondly, I'm tired of the scientific community getting a pass on their alarmist predictions that fail, such as the hurricane season following Katrina which they predicted would be exceptionally active. It was quite the opposite, but instead of acknowledging the flaws in their models and understanding, they press on as if it never happened.

Finally, I do not believe that anything called a "scientific consensus" is science. Consensus gave us a flat Earth at the center of the universe. Either the Earth is warming or it won't. Either this will result in certain things happening or it won't. I don't care if 1000 scientists say one thing ... for all we know the 10 scientists with a different theory could be right.

In other words, present your measurements, findings, and theories, but don't try to "prove" those things by consensus over observation (which is what has started happening due to the politics of alarmism).

My feeling is that the average of global temperature increase will have some adverse effects to our current paradigm of "climate", but who's to say that the climate we've seen over the last 200 years is the "best"? On a planet where 99% of all species that have ever existed are extinct, such fluctuations are normal - and could in fact AID some forms of life. Furthermore, there's science suggesting that some of the increase in temperature is due to solar activity, so again, we really don't know much.

Indeed, I prefer to live somewhat environmentally friendly. I recycle, keep the A/C off most of the time, turn off the lights, etc. But I do it because I just want to be clean and smart with my consumption. I don't need Al Gore to scare me into it.

The bottom line, CB, is that you should know the science you're dismissing before you dismiss it under the argument that "you're stupid if you believe it". Because, realistically, the people on that side of the argument are the one's who don't really know what the hell they're talking about.

[antikristuseke]

Finally, I do not believe that anything called a "scientific consensus" is science. Consensus gave us a flat Earth at the center of the universe. Either the Earth is warming or it won't. Either this will result in certain things happening or it won't. I don't care if 1000 scientists say one thing ... for all we know the 10 scientists with a different theory could be right.

Aramike, there is something I think you should read. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm

[FIREWALL]

I live the way I like. If the next Generation is so bright let them fix it.

Regardless of the fact that most of todays students can't even point out where they live on a map.:O:

[AVGWarhawk]

Blame the cave men! They've doomed us all!:rotfl:


Someone needs to the blame. Put it on a guy who does nothing but grunts as a defense. :doh:

[antikristuseke]

Personaly, i blame Poland and Japan, no real reason, I just do:D



Note for the thick: The above is a joke, take seriously at own risk

[Aramike]

Aramike, there is something I think you should read. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htmI think I've read that before, actually.