Pirates in Northern Europe?

[Thomen]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_missing_ship

[Officerpuppy]

It doesn't seem likely IMO. At least in Somalia, once they board the ship they can take it to a friendly port and hold the ship for ransom. But where could they possibly go in Northern Europe?

[Thomen]

It doesn't seem likely IMO. At least in Somalia, once they board the ship they can take it to a friendly port and hold the ship for ransom. But where could they possibly go in Northern Europe?

The last AIS entry for this vessel is from July the 29th, which puts it smack dead center in the western end of the Channel.

From the story, it seemed they reported being boarded and that the assailants left after around 12 hours. The whole thing is very odd.

EDIT: According to AIS it sailed through the Baltic Sea, around Denmark, passing through the Skaggerag, entered the North Sea and proceded on a south-westerly course.

EDIT 2: Link to AIS iternary for "ARCTIC SEA"
http://marinetraffic.com/ais/datasheet.aspx?MMSI=&SHIPNAME=arctic+sea&PORT_ID=&menuid=&datasource=ITINERARIES&app=&B1=Search

[Oberon]

Medvedev has ordered the Russian Navy to search for it, including some nuclear subs apparently:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8197248.stm

Very random occurance, unusual to get pirates in European waters, well, this side of the 15th century anyway.

Russian Mafia perhaps? :hmmm:

[Hunter]

But where could they possibly go in Northern Europe? Looks like high-jacking.

[Raptor1]

I knew it, those treacherous French are at it again!

[Thomen]

I knew it, those treacherous French are at it again!

Vikings Reborn.. maybe they need the timber for their Longboats? :hmmm:

[Oberon]

I knew it, those treacherous French are at it again!

To arms my men, we fight the villainous foe!

http://www.murphsplace.com/crowe/images54/HMS-Surprise-063.jpg

[Oberon]

Vikings Reborn.. maybe they need the timber for their Longboats? :hmmm:


.....


*locks up his fiance*

[Jimbuna]

Could be a Russian 'Philadelphia' type experiment....the testing of a new cloaking device....or perhaps she simply foundered in rough weather and didn't get off a distress call :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

Whats the betting its one bunch of heroin smugglers screwing over another bunch?

[geetrue]

If the pirates sank the ship we may never know what was on board ...

Something they wanted was on board thats for sure ...

Sounds like the beginning of a James Bond movie, but of course it's not ...

Very interesting :yep:

[Carotio]

I remember I read about this about two weeks ago, but thought it was a joke or something.... pirates in Baltic Sea :arrgh!:, not for the last 6-700 years or more....

:hmmm:

Maybe it really is some kind of mafia related crime, extorsion or something. Maybe they have loaded the wood from The Arctic Sea to another ship and scuttled The Arctic Sea.

[Skybird]

Media refer to "unspecified intelligence sources" that the ship lies unrecognised in an African harbour. If so, I would assume it to be likely that thanks to the inconsistent way in which the piracy at Somalia is adressed (or better: not adressed), the example of the somali pirates has spread. And why not if these pirates show the world since 18 months that their business model works so well. Success triggers copying, doesn't it.

[FIREWALL]

Maybe they just wanted a bottle of RUM. :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

If so, I would assume it to be likely that thanks to the inconsistent way in which the piracy at Somalia is adressed (or better: not adressed), the example of the somali pirates has spread. And why not if these pirates show the world since 18 months that their business model works so well. Success triggers copying, doesn't it.
Piracy has always been across the globe and will always be across the globe no msteer what happens or doesn't happen in Somalia, theonly reson you link Somalia with recent piracy is because of the recent headlines.
All the time it was going on off W.Africa , the China sea and S. America not a whisper ...but now its just the somalis that must be the prime example.

pirates in Baltic Sea :arrgh!:, not for the last 6-700 years or more....

Even if you discount privateering you are several hundred years out, piracy in the Baltic didn't die out after the big guild wars

[Skybird]

Piracy has always been across the globe and will always be across the globe no msteer what happens or doesn't happen in Somalia, theonly reson you link Somalia with recent piracy is because of the recent headlines.
All the time it was going on off W.Africa , the China sea and S. America not a whisper ...but now its just the somalis that must be the prime example.



But not in the North Sea and English channel in modern times. Trying hard not to see that, eh? The English channel is not the street of Malacca.

[Tribesman]

But not in the North Sea and English channel in modern times. Trying hard not to see that, eh? The English channel is not the street of Malacca.
Of course you are right , Antwerp is not on the north sea and 2006 is not modern times which is why a bulk freighter was not involved in a pirate boarding in Feb. 2006 .
Its lucky Liverpool isn't on the North sea or the attempted act of piracy on another bulk freighter in July 2007 would be even more modern.
Though on to other european waters....its lucky Corsica isn't in the straights of Malacca as otherwise pirates would have been doing pirate stuff there in Dec.2008.
Trying hard not to see that, eh?
Thanks for putting me right as my ignorance might lead me to make simple mistakes when the relevant information is so very easily accesible.

[Onkel Neal]

Do they know if it is still afloat?

[nikimcbee]

After closer inspection of the evidence, we found: Ferret fur, an empty bag of ferret snacks, a copy of "Play Ferret" with the centerfold missing, and an empty bottle of Finlandia.

http://ralphlosey.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/pinkpanthersellers.jpg

[Captain Birdseye]

What general vagar called the War on Terror is over...

The war on pirates is about to begin

Yarrrrr :arrgh!:

[Task Force]

After closer inspection of the evidence, we found: Ferret fur, an empty bag of ferret snacks, a copy of "Play Ferret" with the centerfold missing, and an empty bottle of Finlandia.

http://ralphlosey.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/pinkpanthersellers.jpg
:oDowly...:o

[Dowly]

Yes, dear?

[Skybird]

Trollman, since you are so clever to find relevant information yourself while it is so very easily accessible, will you please check with the Münchner Rück insurance company (the world's greatest of its kind and the major player in it's field) and their statistics on global patterns and numbers of acts of piracy in the various regions of the globe.

And when you find then "piracy in the Northsea" comparing to the piracy being found offcoast of Nigeria, Somalia, or the street of Malakka until some years ago, and other more exotic places as well that are not the Baltic or the Northsea, you could come back again: but I fear that - as usual - you will anyway.

BTW, the piracy at Malacca has significantly declined and last year was almost non-existent. Because it was actively and aggressively fought against by the military in the years before. Says not me - but says the statistics.

[Thomen]

What exactly do the Somalis and the Straight of Malacca have to do with the disapearance of a ship in European Waters?

Did they manage somehow to get from east africa to the baltic sea? One would imagine, it would make headlines if some try to travel that kind of distance in a 'thing' that is hardly bigger then a row boat.

[OneToughHerring]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, the ship was owned by a Finnish company although the crew is Russian. The whole shipping business in the Baltic Sea is quite shady should I say, lots of criminal and semi-criminal stuff going on like pollution of the waters, smuggling etc.

[Thomen]

Now, I do not know the particulars about the waters around Oland, but thats an interesting course the ship sailed...

http://marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?zoom=9&oldmmsi=215860000&olddate=7/24/2009%2012:15:00%20AM

Above is the AIS snippet from the early 24th to around 4PM, the day the boarding incident is said to have occured.

[Melonfish]

*silently hides his fully restored u-boat after successfull shakedown run*


seriously, its either at the bottom of the channel or loaded with people going "YAAARRR!"

[Tribesman]

Trollman
Thats a good one , did you come up with that all by yourself or did you get a grown up to help you?
And when you find then "piracy in the Northsea" comparing to the piracy being found offcoast of Nigeria, Somalia, or the street of Malakka until some years ago, and other more exotic places as well that are not the Baltic or the Northsea, you could come back again: but I fear that - as usual - you will anyway.

Ah so now its a comparrison of levels of piracy.
Well done you have looked up some sources.
Pity you didn't do that before you wrote....
But not in the North Sea and English channel in modern times.
You were clearly in too much of a hurry to attack my post and decided to just go off on one without getting your facts straight.

[GoldenRivet]

.....


*locks up his fiance*

you should do this regularly mate :up:

most women love it :D

[Dowly]

According to news here in Finland, an russian frigate is following a ship near Gibraltar that "looks similar" to Arctic Sea.

[Dowly]

Aaand now russia is saying they arent following the ship. :haha:

[Thomen]

Updated AP story on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_re_eu/missing_ship

[Jimbuna]

Could well be carrying a military cargo.....or drugs :hmmm:

[Dowly]

Military cargo from where? It was loaded with ****loads of timber in Helsinki and do you honestly think that anyone would be interested in our sticks and stones our military uses. :O:

[geetrue]

The first reports had police in uniforms boarding the ship before she got to the English channel ... reports of the crew bing beat up spells for what reason?

Something hidden onboard for sure ...

Don't you guys watch movies, obviously someone had a gun on someone when they reported all of this and acted like the bad guys left ...

We may never know ... dead men tell no lies.

IS that a movie title yet?

[Letum]

Military cargo from where? It was loaded with ****loads of timber in Helsinki and do you honestly think that anyone would be interested in our sticks and stones our military uses. :O:

Dowly is hiding something!
What ever was on that ship, Dowly is undoubtedly involved in it.

[Officerpuppy]

Updated AP story on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_re_eu/missing_ship

Quite the mystery there :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Military cargo from where? It was loaded with ****loads of timber in Helsinki and do you honestly think that anyone would be interested in our sticks and stones our military uses. :O:

You never heard of the wooden horse of Troy? :hmmm:

[Letum]

You never heard of the wooden horse of Troy?

Some guys get given a wooden horse; have a few laughs with it; the end.

What are we supposed to learn from that?!

[Jimbuna]

Look underneath the timber and all will be revealed.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2328/crysta121.gif

[geetrue]

36 minutes ago same answer they don't know: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/14/2655523.htm?section=world


The editor of Russian maritime bulletin Sovfrakht has told local media he has learnt from a Defence Ministry source that a frigate has been following a ship similar to the Arctic Sea in the Atlantic Ocean near Gibraltar.

But according to the ITAR TASS news agency, the Russian navy has denied the report, saying its ships are continuing to search for the Arctic Sea.


Shouldn't they be looking for a ship named Arctic Sea in the Arctic :rotfl:

[OneToughHerring]

More rumours circulating. US coast guard's information officer said when asked where the ship is that it's location is classified information. :hmmm:

[Dowly]

More rumours circulating. US coast guard's information officer said when asked where the ship is that it's location is classified information. :hmmm:

I got the impression that if they would know where it is, it would be classified information. Which he propably said because, it wouldnt be in his hands to tell about the location (i.e. it would go thru the higher ups and then released).

[OneToughHerring]

I got the impression that if they would know where it is, it would be classified information. Which he propably said because, it wouldnt be in his hands to tell about the location (i.e. it would go thru the higher ups and then released).

Could be, I didn't see the interview on telly, relying on what's on the internet about this.

[Dowly]

The missing cargo ship Arctic Sea that is being hunted by Russian warships reported a second attack by 'pirates' near Portugal, according to official sources.


European Commission maritime officials told The Daily Telegraph that following its first attack in Swedish waters, a second set of radio messages was received from the Maltese-flagged merchant ship after the vessel had passed through the English Channel at the end of last month.


"Radio calls were apparently received from the ship which had supposedly been under attack twice, the first time off the Swedish coast and then off the Portuguese coast," said a Commission transport official.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/piracy/6021349/Missing-cargo-ship-crew-reported-second-attack.html

:hmmm:

[OneToughHerring]

Financial Times Deutchland claims that the ship has been spotted near Kap Verde. A lot of speculation as to what the cargo might be. Honestly, this is like a real time James Bond - novel, in the media. :)

http://www.ftd.de/politik/europa/:Suche-nach-Schiff-Vermisste-Arctic-Sea-geortet/553576.html

(It's in German.)

[geetrue]

Financial Times Deutchland claims that the ship has been spotted near Kap Verde. A lot of speculation as to what the cargo might be. Honestly, this is like a real time James Bond - novel, in the media. :)

http://www.ftd.de/politik/europa/:Suche-nach-Schiff-Vermisste-Arctic-Sea-geortet/553576.html

(It's in German.)


What are the odds of this missing ship and Hillary Clinton being spotted in the same space?

Got to be a connection there somewhere, uh? :arrgh!:

Perhaps it came to pick her up ...

Video: Lost ship reportedly spotted near Cape Verde Islands (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)RT

Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/14/AR2009081400927.html?hpid=moreheadlines)
Clinton stayed overnight in Cape Verde

SANTA MARIA, Cape Verde, Aug. 14 -- Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton wrapped up her seven-nation tour of Africa on Friday with a brief stop in this palm-dotted island nation, which the U.S. government has hailed as an African success story.

[Dowly]

AFP reports the ship has been found.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1206602/Found-Missing-ghost-ship-Arctic-Sea-spotted-Cape-Verde.html

[AVGWarhawk]

How is it we can get a robot to Mars in 5 months. Have it land safely with balloons wrapped around it. Said robot emerges and has been active for what, 2 years or more? This was done twice!!!!!! Yet, we can not find a darn ship in the ocean!:hmmm:

[Dowly]

How is it we can get a robot to Mars in 5 months. Have it land safely with balloons wrapped around it. Said robot emerges and has been active for what, 2 years or more? This was done twice!!!!!! Yet, we can not find a darn ship in the ocean!:hmmm:

:yeah:

I'm one of them who thinks that we should invest more on Earth, before we head out to other planets.

Besides, understanding as much as possible about the life on Earth will possibly help us understand what to look for on other planets. Who knows what lies on some deep ocean floor or in a rainforest that nobody has been to that could turn everything we know and hold as the basis of life upside down.

Ow and sorry for the off topic thingy dingy.

[geetrue]

Breaking news: ARTIC ICE LOCATED BY RUSSIAN SUBMARINE

http://www.funnypictures.net.au/images/abandoned-ships-in-the-artic-ice.jpg

[Dowly]

Cheaters! :O:

[SteamWake]

PARIS — The French Defense Ministry says a Russian-manned cargo that vanished in the Atlantic last month has been found near Cape Verde.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539380,00.html?test=latestnews

[Carotio]

Interesting. Really amazing in an odd way and scaring if piracy really has found its way up to Northern Europe. The strategy will have to be changed and improved. Maybe the pirates hoped to turn the focus of the world off of the Horn of Africa... :hmmm:

[Task Force]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/missing_ship
yes, it has been found.... off africa... now howd it get there...:hmmm:

[Dowly]

1) It's not an russian ship
2) We already have a thread about the Arctic Sea: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=154800

:O:

[SteamWake]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/missing_ship
yes, it has been found.... off africa... now howd it get there...:hmmm:

It sailed?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=154800&page=3 ;)

Doh ! Dowly quit following me around.

[Task Force]

yes, but it is a ship, and it did arrive in south africa, and it was missing... and I F^%$ed up... :rotfl:(cause I kinda just woke up.)

[Task Force]

It sailed?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=154800&page=3 ;)

Doh ! Dowly quit following me around.

Ahhh... uahhh.... be careful... you never know why a ferret is following you around... lol

[Jimbuna]

How is it we can get a robot to Mars in 5 months. Have it land safely with balloons wrapped around it. Said robot emerges and has been active for what, 2 years or more? This was done twice!!!!!! Yet, we can not find a darn ship in the ocean!:hmmm:

It's all got something to do with a method/concept called.....Camouflage :smug:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9238/theiceship.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/theiceship.jpg/)

[AVGWarhawk]

Spot the QE2 in Jims picture. :hmmm:

[Oberon]

:hmmm: What's the tonnage on that, Jim?

[Jimbuna]

A few more ice pops than I can count to :DL

[OneToughHerring]

Now the ship has been said to be in the Bay of Biscay, positioning info has come through the AIS.

Also there has been a ransom demand of 1,5 million euros. Reminds me of this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91ISfcuzDw&feature=related)

[Tribesman]

yes, it has been found.... off africa... now howd it get there...
It turns out now that the ship spotted 400 n/m N. of Cape Verde is not the missing ship

[Thomen]

Latest AP story on Yahoo:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090815/ap_on_re_eu/eu_missing_ship


Hours later, French Marines spokesman Capt. Jerome Baroe said the signals in question had come from Russian warships that were heading from the Mediterranean to the Baltic Sea. Those ships apparently are different from the vessels that the Russian Navy dispatched this week to search for the Arctic Sea.


:hmmm:

[Officerpuppy]

This story gets more confusing by the hour. :doh:

[Jimbuna]

I sense the beginning of the next Agatha Christie novel.

[Mush Martin]

Edis update :hmmm: suspected radioactivity rumor draws a fire dept
inspection before she left port.


the updates page ( click on the updates tab at the top )

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?cid=22725

oddly the ships icon totally disappeared from edis yesterday for a while.

[Oberon]

I sense the beginning of the next Agatha Christie novel.

http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060719/18856__poirot_l.jpg

"Aah, monsieur, an exercise for the little grey cells..."

[Dowly]

Finnish police confirms that Swedish police has received photos of the badly beaten crew of Arctic Sea. :doh:

http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/08/police_arctic_sea_crew_bruised_and_battered_934421 .html

[Oberon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8205590.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8199766.stm

Now the Russkies say they've found her and got the crew off.
But there's a lot they're not saying, and strange things that they are, why would they put that the crew are not under armed guard? What's happened to the ship and its cargo?
Early days perhaps, but still a lot of unanswered questions.

[Dowly]

Finnish news confirm that the NBI has received confirmation from the Russians that they've found the ship. :up:

[Thomen]

Russia arrests 8 suspects.. well that was quick. :up:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090818/ap_on_re_eu/missing_ship

[OneToughHerring]

Russia arrests 8 suspects.. well that was quick. :up:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090818/ap_on_re_eu/missing_ship

Well weren't they supposed to be on the ship? Fairly easy to find.

Russians are kind of pointing the finger at the Swedes who believed the fake message from the hijackers that everything is fine.

[Thomen]

Well weren't they supposed to be on the ship? Fairly easy to find.



True.. I forgot about that little part..:hmmm: