germans used helicopters

[Phil]

I was watching history channel about the battle of the atlantic and I saw that the germans used small helicopters to increase their visibility I had never heard of anything like this. has anyone else?

[BulSoldier]

What do you mean exactly to extend their visibility ? To what you are refering (uboat, surface ships ?)

For uboats there was experimental kite thing but it didnt worked well if i remember corectly.
Otherwise i havent heard for germans using helicopetrs.

[Jimbuna]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6683/sh32008012615130638.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/sh32008012615130638.jpg/)

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Dictionary/Fa_223/DI52.htm[/URL]

[URL]http://robroy.dyndns.info/targetkites/Fa-330/intro.html (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****e_Achgelis_Fa_223)

[Dread Knot]

I was watching history channel about the battle of the atlantic and I saw that the germans used small helicopters to increase their visibility I had never heard of anything like this. has anyone else?

Interesting invention, but they never lived up to expectations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****e_Achgelis_Fa_330

[mikka]

pwnd by the filter!

(didn't even know there was a filter)

[Kpt. Lehmann]

As Jimbuna has pointed out via screenshot above... you can find the FA-223 helo in GWX thanks to Privateer

Video of the real thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IWmlAjz4b8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE8M1aQNgos

[Schroeder]

The F o c k e Argelis 330:
http://www.bredow-web.de/Museum_Duxford/****e-Argelis_FA_330/****e-argelis_fa_330.html

A helicopter like machine that was towed by U-boats to increase their visual range above what the conning tower could provide.

[Pisces]

Here is another link for the Fa 330.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****e_Achgelis_Fa_330

Technically, they are not helicopters, but gyro-gliders. They do not have a power source of themselves to power the rotor. Power was gained by towing the craft by the uboat, and the air flowing through the rotor disk/blades spinned up the rotor and was enough to maintain lift up. So they couldn't lift up straight vertically from the spot. An 'auto-gyro' does have a power source, but it is only providing forward thrust like a propellor aircraft does. (so avoiding the need for a towboat ;) ) The lifting power also comes from the air flowing through the rotor disk. The rotating blades create the same lifting effect as ordinary fixed wings. So it neither lifts up vertically from the spot. It's more like a STOL (short take-off or Landing) type aircraft.

The aircraft in the image jimbuna posted appearantly is a (dual rotor) helicopter that was self powered. I thought helicopters were only succesfully developed after WW2. Oh well, history lesson learned. :up:

[Brer Rabbit]

U-177 carried a motorless observation craft that resemled a helicopter. The full reference and details can be found at www.uboatarchive.net (http://www.uboatarchive.net).

A photo of the craft can be seen here: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-177.htm
The interrogation report of survivors wth further descriptions can be found at: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-177INT.htm


Now that would be a hell ova mod.

[Melonfish]

Came accross the Achgelis the other day, started my patrol out of Lorient and thought, "WTH is that noise?" i thought my graphics or sound had corrupted, so i went to the bridge and it was louder?
imagine my shock when i saw it wheeling overhead! :yeah:
excellent bit of modeling in GWX! totally love that craft ;)

[TarJak]

You should see who is driving it!:o

[Jimbuna]

You should see who is driving it!:o

Probably the most intelligent and best looking person I've seen in a cockpit :hmmm:

[Hanomag]

You should see who is driving it!:o

Probably the most intelligent and best looking person I've seen in a cockpit :hmmm:

Bloody Hell... I just took screenies of that chopper, last career I had actually made it to Bergen again and then perished. :damn:

Now I have to make it to 44 and get a better look at whos flying the bloody thing.. sheisse!! :damn:

[Jimbuna]

Bloody Hell... I just took screenies of that chopper, last career I had actually made it to Bergen again and then perished. :damn:

Now I have to make it to 44 and get a better look at whos flying the bloody thing.. sheisse!! :damn:

ROFLMAO :rotfl:

[FIREWALL]

[quote=Brer Rabbit;1149349]U-177 carried a motorless observation craft that resemled a helicopter.

The interrogation report of survivors wth further descriptions can be found at: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-177INT.htm


There were acually survivors from flying that thing. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Nemo66]

Came accross the Achgelis the other day, started my patrol out of Lorient and thought, "WTH is that noise?" i thought my graphics or sound had corrupted, so i went to the bridge and it was louder?
imagine my shock when i saw it wheeling overhead! :yeah:
excellent bit of modeling in GWX! totally love that craft ;)

Are you saying Achgelis 330 IS ALREADY INCLUDED in GWX 3.0 ???
A lifetime dream would come true.....! :arrgh!:

[STEED]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP6VnbeWXSY

[Paul Riley]

Are these helicopters destined to appear in all our games at some point,or are they random events meaning you may not encounter them at all? :hmmm:

[STEED]

Are these helicopters destined to appear in all our games at some point,or are they random events meaning you may not encounter them at all? :hmmm:

Most likely no, just like this...

EXPERIMENTAL WEAPONS
The first attempts at using rockets as weapons from a U-Boat came about by pure coincidence. The commanding officer of U551, KK Fritz Steinhoff, just happened to be the brother of Dr Ernst Steinhoff a researcher working on the problems of small rocket guidance at the Heeresversuch-sanstalt (Army Experimental Establishment) at Peenemunde. As a result of the conversation between the brothers, the idea arose of trying out an installation of artillery rockets in U551.

During its working-up period, U551 was detached briefly to Peenemunde where from 31 May to 5 June 1942, she went through a series of experimental launches of 30cm Wurfkorper Sprengraketen from a rack for six rockets installed on the after deck-casing. The last of the experimental launches took place while the U-Boat was submerged at periscope depth. The experiments proved that rockets could be launched from U-Boats, even when submerged, but showed little promise of producing a useful weapon. No further similar experimentation followed these initial trials.

Before the first of the Flak U-Boats Bdu turned to using this fledgling rocket technology. U441 deployed to the front, it was equipped with a battery of 8.6cm rockets would be fired in the path of an attacking aircraft, each rocket trailing a lenghtof wire intended to ensnare the aircraft. In practice the timing required to fire the rockets so they would destroy the attacking aircraft was almost impossible to achieve.

The idea of using 8.6cm high-explosive rockets was also tried out. Another approach was tried in U986 and one other boat. These boats were fitted with a barrage of 30 rocket-launchers erected completely around the tower. The idea of using rockets was never tested in combat conditions and no further testing went ahead the idea was dropped.

[pickinthebanjo]

first one, I heard first. It sounded like a giant lawnmower

[Paul Riley]

first one, I heard first. It sounded like a giant lawnmower

:har:

[Jimbuna]

Are you saying Achgelis 330 IS ALREADY INCLUDED in GWX 3.0 ???
A lifetime dream would come true.....! :arrgh!:

I'm afraid it is not included.

http://www.greekhelicopters.gr/heliport/article-images/Heli-History/uboat.gif

[Madox58]

Don't forget the Kolibri.
The Kolibri was operational on warships with suitable platforms, escorting convoys in the Baltic, Mediterranean and Aegean Seas, and was thus effectively the first military helicopter in the world.

https://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Flettner-282/IMAGES/flettner-FL282-2.jpg

Modeled for SH3:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Render.jpg

[Paul Riley]

Don't forget the Kolibri.
The Kolibri was operational on warships with suitable platforms, escorting convoys in the Baltic, Mediterranean and Aegean Seas, and was thus effectively the first military helicopter in the world.

https://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Flettner-282/IMAGES/flettner-FL282-2.jpg

Modeled for SH3:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Render.jpg

Them bloody Germans were clever buggers thats for sure,they had some amazing concepts and ideas for the time period!
America I present you with NASA,courtesy of your friendly neighbourhood GERMANS! :D