problem: there is too many ants on my sea

[quill0]

hello everybody,
here the screenshot:
http://fabrice.morisset.perso.sfr.fr/silenthunter4.jpg

As you can see there are many many little black dots on the sea, on one frame it is not so deconcerting but during the play all this details are moving creating a sort of digital noise. very unpleasant. Have you got the same strange thing with the game, is there any solution?
so i checked up all this parameters:
_it is not the mod, because it is the same thing with the 1.4 version game.
_this is not the anti aliasing, i play on AA 8X and 16x Anisotropic Hd (you can see the perfect line of the boat)
_ my frame rate is about 60 fps
_i checked with or not the adaptativ anti aliasing option
_i test with or not the filter photographic and all the graphic option of the game (realistic sea, gamma...)
_i am in full resolution 1280x1024 (at 60hz or more)
my graphic card is a gigabyte Ati 4800hd serie and with the other video games i haven't got this problem. i play on Silent hunter 4, v1.4

thank you for reading and helping me :)

[TDK1044]

What's your LOD (level of detail) setting?

[quill0]

my level of detail is set at the maximum and every graphic option is check except the window mode.

[AVGWarhawk]

Turn off post process filtering PPF

[V.C. Sniper]

I see nothing wrong with the ss.

Looks better IMO.

[Task Force]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4541/sh42009073121491990.jpg
should help.:up:(sorry about image size...)

[Armistead]

What mods are you running with 1.4. You may want to try PE4 env. mod, depending on what else you're running.

[quill0]

hi everybody!
thanks a lot for the help, as i said i test with or without all the graphic options menu like realistic sea on or off or with or without the post process filter effect there are always this bug. i test with PE4 but it is the same effect.
Well i think that it comes from my video card and the adaptative antialiasing process. Even if i turn on or off my graphic card option it is still there.

[vickers03]

get Rivatuner and play with the LOD mipmap bias adjustment, try setting to 0.

[Inner Sound]

Real sunlight glinting off real ocean is hard to look at - you're looking at the sun. You have to just about completely close your eyes. Or wear polaroids. And even then it dances around so much you'd get an epileptic if you were prone.

You've got realism. I wish my PC was that good.

[vickers03]

You've got realism. I wish my PC was that good.
you can have this, get Rivatuner or a similar program
and set the mipmap lod bias to a negative value.

[Buddahaid]

hello everybody,
here the screenshot:
http://fabrice.morisset.perso.sfr.fr/silenthunter4.jpg



Looks like a photo to me.

Buddahaid

[Sledgehammer427]

what are those two little stripes in the sky?

looks like artifacting

[Armistead]

Think those are the top wires of the sub...only lines I see, but I'm getting old.

[FIREWALL]

what are those two little stripes in the sky?

looks like artifacting


Clothesline for hanging out laundry. :haha:

[Spectator]

This is one of the greatest screenshots I have seen, looks very real, and you don't like it? Hehe that's interesting :)

[quill0]

hi everyone!
i tried rivaturner but it don't open correctly with my catalys 9.7 so i tried ati tray tool and played with all the options as lod map bias, AA and AF, don't change anything.
the lines on the sky come from the submarine cable, just to show you that my AA is on.
Effectively it is a cool picture very realistic but as i said it is disturbing when moving. i will try to make a movie on fraps just to show you the anoying noise :)

[Haukka81]

Hi. I have same broblem.

I have ati radeon 4850 9.7catalyst drivers


:wah: :down:

[vickers03]

i tried rivaturner but it don't open correctly with my catalys 9.7 so i tried ati tray tool and played with all the options as lod map bias, AA and AF, don't change anything.
could you make a screenshot of your ati mipmap settings to see
what you can change?

[Haukka81]

Couple images:

SH4 v1.4 + PE4

http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4612505.jpg


http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4612497.jpg http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4612534.jpg

http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4612505.jpg


:o i hate those ants :damn:

Catalyst AI on/off = no help
Antialising =no help
next i will try older display drivers

[Inner Sound]

Ah, now I see.

The ants are to darken the light bits of the water, presumably. Is there something in the game grahics options to reduce the realism of waves?

Can't remember, and it's too early in the day to switch my game on. And you like the high graphics anyway.

Change the overall graphic resolution?

I've been no help at all.

[Rockin Robbins]

I'm going to have to toss my hat in with Spectator here. Having spent a lot of time on the water I can say that that shot is completely authentic and makes my nVidia loving heart jealous because I see nothing like that. In other words, buy an nVidia card and your "troubles" are over. All it takes is cash! (as usual http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/rainbowbanana.gifhttp://www.subsim.com/radioroom/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/rainbowbanana.gif%5B/IMG%5D)

Reality is hard to look at too and much more so than what you call ants in your shot. Considering the limitations of our graphics cards for brightness and contrast, that is one of the most excellent representations of light on water I've seen on a computer. Its irritation value is a meek shadow of the real thing!:D

[quill0]

hi,
well it seems that there is no solution for Ati 4850's owner. however here it is some parameters coming from the mipmapbias detail:
http://fabrice.morisset.perso.sfr.fr/lod.jpg


following here (http://fabrice.morisset.perso.sfr.fr/sh.avi) is the movie clip demonstrating the problem (sorry for the poor quality) 16 mega, real environment mod.

[vickers03]

try setting the Texture LOD Adjustment to a positive
value.

[Rockin Robbins]

Holy crap, that video is beautiful! That is EXACTLY the correct way for low incidence sunlight to glint off the water. The pointillism, the gold color, the movement of the points of light, it's all PERFECT!!! That is simply a magnificent depiction of the sun on water and I'm jealous as hell. My nVidia card gives the image you want, but it sucks compared to that.

[Will-Rommel]

Your first screenshot is my new desktop paper. I like this image ! :salute:

[audiolab]

looks very realistic to me ,hmm are you sure its not a postcard picture:salute:

[SteveUK]

Sorry but thats just amazing - wish I could get halfway near that level of reality on my rig! Seems to me one of the most details sea shots I've ever seen.

[Haukka81]

Here is couple shots from SH4 v1.4 Stock:

http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4624872.jpg

http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4624875.jpg

There is still weird "ant" noise but only little..


Looks like that PE or Real evinroment mod just wont work with radeons :down::wah:

[Rockin Robbins]

Those are not comparable images. They're too different from your original to make any decent conclusions.

Looks to me that PE or Real Environment works doubly well. Want to trade graphics cards for my 7600GT? You don't have a problem at all. That looks exactly as it was designed and as it should look. Hats off to the modders!

[vickers03]

@RR
you can have this, get Rivatuner or a similar program
and set the mipmap lod bias to a negative value.

@Haukka81, quill0
setting mipmap adjustment to a positive value should do the trick.

[Rockin Robbins]

Thanks Vickers! I'll check it out.:rock:

[Haukka81]

@RR
you can have this, get Rivatuner or a similar program
and set the mipmap lod bias to a negative value.

@Haukka81, quill0
setting mipmap adjustment to a positive value should do the trick.


Thanks !!! :up:

[Rockin Robbins]

Haukka, post the result, if you would. I'm curious how much influence we can have with the two families of graphics cards. Try to reproduce your first shot as closely as you can. I'll do the same!

[Spectator]

That video ... :huh::huh::huh::huh::huh::huh::huh: :damn::damn: :damn: :o:o:o:o .... that video is ... I can't think of a word for that degree of awesomeness in my native language, so I won't even try to find one in english.

[AVGWarhawk]

This is a EVGA 9800GT card using RE mod:


http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/SH4Img2009-06-17_194937_233.jpg


EVGA 7800GS with one of the previous environment mods:


http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/SH4Img2008-01-19_201647_531.jpg


Personally the original post picture looks photo realistic to me. I see no issues with it. -shrug-

[Haukka81]

Haukka, post the result, if you would. I'm curious how much influence we can have with the two families of graphics cards. Try to reproduce your first shot as closely as you can. I'll do the same!


Ok, i will make it soon as possible. Riva tuner wont work with my curent 9.7 cat drivers so i have to go back 9.6 :)

[vickers03]

Riva tuner wont work with my curent 9.7 cat drivers so i have to go back 9.6 :)
you can try ati tray tools, it has similar features.

[Haukka81]

I can't get tray tools working.. :timeout:

[Haukka81]

No more ants :yeah:

My setup:

SH4 V1.5 (uboat missions add-on)
+ TMO ver 1.8beta

Radeon 4850 cat 9.7

Pics:
http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4640221.jpg
http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4640226.jpg

TMO rocks :rock:

[quill0]

hi everyone, sorry too be late.
i tried to change the mipmap in positive and negative value and it doesn't change anything. i tried rivatuner and ati tray tool and the noise is still present. However i suppose that it come from the process of the ati' s card and not from the real environment code. as Rockin said hat's off to the modder:) ( and i got a little surprise for two of us :):)
Haukka81 you said that you have no more noise but you don't play with PE 4 or real environment mod, right?
thank you for all your efforts and because some of you adress me some kind words about my picture and video clip i create a humble wallpaper.Here it is:
http://fabrice.morisset.perso.sfr.fr/wallpaper.jpg

you can download it here (http://fabrice.morisset.perso.sfr.fr/sh4wallpaper.tga) (1280x1024, 3.8M)
cheers

[Haukka81]

Hi , TMO 1.8beta has inbuild evinroment mod. :up:

I have also set catalyst AI to advanded, don't know if it maters :hmmm: