Global warming is the new religion of First World urban elites

[SteamWake]

:hmmm:


Plimer presents the proposition that anthropogenic global warming is little more than a con trick on the public perpetrated by fundamentalist environmentalists and callously adopted by politicians and government officials who love nothing more than an issue that causes public anxiety.


http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Global+warming+religion+First+World+urban+elites/1835847/story.html

[CastleBravo]

The really troublesome thing is that anytime they see anything which wavers from what the believers have seen in their life times it is man made. Yet with all their galant efforts toward change, no change has occured. The definition of insanity is?????????

[Tchocky]

No change has occurred?

News to me.

[Skybird]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse:_How_Societies_Choose_to_Fail_or_Succeed


Diamond’s distinction between social and biological survival is a critical one, because too often we blur the two, or assume that biological survival is contingent on the strength of our civilizational values... The fact is, though, that we can be law-abiding and peace-loving and tolerant and inventive and committed to freedom and true to our own values and still behave in ways that are biologically suicidal.

[Schroeder]

:hmmm:

Quote:
Plimer presents the proposition that anthropogenic global warming is little more than a con trick on the public perpetrated by fundamentalist environmentalists and callously adopted by politicians and government officials who love nothing more than an issue that causes public anxiety.

If it is all hoax why does the government in Germany which is heavily influenced by lobbyists from our all mighty car industry believe in global warming? Do you believe that BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Porsche etc... want people to believe in global warming? Hell they want to sell cars with 200+ hp! Yet they didn't manage to convince the politicians here (and I don't believe for a second that they can't be bought!) to join the US conservative side and declare GW a lie. Odd isn't it?

[August]

Climate change is real.

Whether it is caused by man, and if so to what degree, is the question.

But even if you can figure out that answer you still have figure out what to do about it without killing off half of the worlds human population because this silly cap and trade ripoff is not going to have any effect at all other than to make certain people rich.

[NeonSamurai]

Only thing I would comment on is why would I want to listen to a geologist? It is almost like going to a car mechanic for medical advice...

Now granted he may know a bit about warming trends in the past from geology (not much though, those trends tend not to show up very well unless they change the geology in an area (like a glacier for example), most of what we know comes from the fossil record instead which is pretty separate from geology). But he is way outside his field of expertise when it comes to current environmental patterns and changes, and determining the causes of those changes.

That he has papers and books out on the subject doesn't matter, like most books and papers out there, they probably are not worth the paper they are printed on.

So why should I listen to him?

[SteamWake]

Only thing I would comment on is why would I want to listen to a geologist? It is almost like going to a car mechanic for medical advice...

Now granted he may know a bit about warming trends in the past from geology (not much though, those trends tend not to show up very well unless they change the geology in an area (like a glacier for example), most of what we know comes from the fossil record instead which is pretty separate from geology). But he is way outside his field of expertise when it comes to current environmental patterns and changes, and determining the causes of those changes.

That he has papers and books out on the subject doesn't matter, like most books and papers out there, they probably are not worth the paper they are printed on.

So why should I listen to him?

and Al Gore is a certified expert?

Yes lets just dismiss this and continue to throw good money after bad. After all the goal is to overwhelm the system.

[NeonSamurai]

Didn't say I would listen to him either.

[Shearwater]

Religion is about faith. Research is about evidence.
While it is clear that some of the people that accept the recent (and not so recent) research on climate change seek to promote a political agenda (including the aforementioned Al Gore), the very wording of Ian Pilmar leaves no doubt that he is more interested in that agenda than in his own field.

[SUBMAN1]

Pretty much describes Tchocky right here:

...Purging humankind of its supposed sins of environmental degradation has become a religion with a fanatical and often intolerant priesthood...-S

[AVGWarhawk]

http://www.krcc.org/krccnews/pix/greenreligion.jpg

[Tchocky]

Pretty much describes Tchocky right here:

-S

Yeah, I'm all about the religion.

[antikristuseke]

Preach on, brother, preach on.

[Kptlt Thomsen]

Climate change (the looney left's new catch phrase for global warming) is a bunch of horsedung. Anyone that thinks the earth is getting warmer has never been to Thule, Greenland...

[antikristuseke]

Anyone who thinks climate change is not taking place is not aquainted with the sicence of it, I am not talking about what Al Gore or other such *****s say, nor am i refering to what the gas companies are saying, look at what actual climatologists are saying.

[Kptlt Thomsen]

Anyone who thinks climate change is not taking place is not aquainted with the sicence of it, I am not talking about what Al Gore or other such *****s say, nor am i refering to what the gas companies are saying, look at what actual climatologists are saying.

When you're stuck in -50C temperatures...it's rather hard to convince me that anything is "warming"..:hmmm:

[August]

Greenland didn't get it's name because some Viking thought it would be a selling point to potential immigrants.

[Skybird]

"Collaps", that sociological-ecological examination of the ecocide of various old cultures by Jared Diamond that I linked above, is such an enlightening read, so I remind you of it again. And that critic in the overview which I picked to quote, also is so damn right that i also remind of the words:

"Diamond’s distinction between social and biological survival is a critical one, because too often we blur the two, or assume that biological survival is contingent on the strength of our civilizational values... The fact is, though, that we can be law-abiding and peace-loving and tolerant and inventive and committed to freedom and true to our own values and still behave in ways that are biologically suicidal. "

It was a thick 600 pages reading that I just finished earlier this month, but it was extremely well-written and well-founded, and a joy to read. I am now going into his Pulitzer-winning "Guns, Germs, and Steel", which also won an Aventis Award of the Royal Society for the best science book.

[SteamWake]

If it is all hoax why does the government in Germany which is heavily influenced by lobbyists from our all mighty car industry believe in global warming? Do you believe that BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Porsche etc... want people to believe in global warming? Hell they want to sell cars with 200+ hp! Yet they didn't manage to convince the politicians here (and I don't believe for a second that they can't be bought!) to join the US conservative side and declare GW a lie. Odd isn't it?

This one is easy... follow the money.

Make a 300HP gas guzzler that costs 20,000 to make and sells for 30,000 or make an econo box which costs 12,000 to make and sells for 30,000.

[Kptlt Thomsen]

Greenland didn't get it's name because some Viking thought it would be a selling point to potential immigrants.

Say it isn't so....LOL

[Schroeder]

Not easy because it doesn't work if the rest of the world thinks you are insane and that your predictions of the future are based on lies.;)
Why would other countries without a heavy car industry follow us (or even lead ahead) then. What has for example Finland to gain by doing it? More expensive cars can't be their main goal, can it.

[SUBMAN1]

Yeah, I'm all about the religion.You have only one religion. Global Warming.

-S

[Tchocky]

Ssshhhh.

It's time for Friday prayer.

[antikristuseke]

When you're stuck in -50C temperatures...it's rather hard to convince me that anything is "warming"..:hmmm:

Looking only at short term local data is not really any indication of a global trend. The climate is a complex beast, when the global trend is warming that does not mean that there is an equal and proportional change all over the globe, the response is different from area to area.

[SteamWake]

Looking only at short term local data is not really any indication of a global trend. The climate is a complex beast, when the global trend is warming that does not mean that there is an equal and proportional change all over the globe, the response is different from area to area.

Yes take a good hard look at the long term data you will see the globe does warm, then it cools, then it warms again.

Mars does the same thing. Pretty sure there arent any SUV's on mars. :rotfl:

[antikristuseke]

Yes, there is fluctuation withing climate, but it is not quite as clar cut as that. The rate of recent warming has been unprecedented in Earths climate history, as far as we are aware of anyway. To say that humans are having no effect on that is to hide ones head in the sand, hell, humans affected large scale changes in the ecosystem surrounding them way before industrialisation, it is just that now the changes are occuring on a grander scale and taking action against that now could be benefitial in the long run. Ofcourse, I am not saying things are as bad as al gore and other nutcases make it out to be, but it isnt nonexistant and not affected by us, like the oil companies would have you belive, either.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, as it is with all things that get draged into politics. Anyhow, there is a nice youtube series which explains things a bit better than anyone would bother to read if i were to look up all the sources and made a wall of text post with the information, but who knows, I might actualy go through with it. Do not take this as fact, be sceptical about everything you hear and feel free to check the sources mentioned in the videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0JsdSDa_bM&videos=05mR3-y0va8&playnext_from=TL&playnext=1