View Full Version : teenage strippers,& indoor prostitution legal in RI.
Article: http://www.projo.com/news/content/teen_dancers_07-21-09_Q6F39ID_v80.3985e27.html :oops:
Where are these childrens' parents? When I was 16 my parents knew where I was working. I think that we as a society are in a tragic state if the only "after school" jobs that some of our young teens can get is stripping. Furthermore...the age to drive a car in this state is 16.5...absolute minimum - who is driving them there?
Jimbuna
07-28-09, 02:12 PM
Simple 'jail bait' IMO :nope:
sh3rules
07-28-09, 02:33 PM
“It leads to a societal breakdown,” he said. “These are just little girls.” I have a problem with this view. Don't you guys remember high school? Sure, there were naive girls, but others already wanted, erm, hands-on experience with boys. It is right to fight exploitation, but I think this needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, because not every young woman is being exploited. The same could be said about the fashion industry.
Care to point out where the article says "indoor prostitution" is legal? Rhode Island, like any state dominated by the Democrats, is enough of a sewage pit on it's own without having to exaggerate.
FIREWALL
07-28-09, 03:30 PM
@ sh3rules I bet your Google History would be an interesting read. :haha:
Carotio
07-28-09, 04:00 PM
It is so fun with these international forums, where different cultures have different norms.
Anyway, I'm a little mixed about this. On one hand, I wouldn't mind looking at these 16 year old girls - in Denmark the sexual age is 15 - but on the other hand, I probably wouldn't approve a daughter of my own to do it. And then yet again, would I approve it at all if she was 18 or 21? Probably not. So it's not really the age, which is the issue here, or is it now? Is it not really the fear: what if it was to become my/our own daughters?
If the law says 16 in Rhode Island, then it's 16 and so what? Most teens discovers their sexuality much sooner, and to believe for one second that for parents to restrict teens exploring their sexual opportunities within the law would/should be possible is to say the least naive. Only working for changing the law to be more specific, having a paragraphe in the law stating that to be permitted to work within the domaine of striptease, one should have obtained the age of 18. Untill then, good luck to all parents of teenage daughters. :up:
Tchocky
07-28-09, 04:04 PM
Rhode Island, like any state dominated by the Democrats, is enough of a sewage pit on it's own without having to exaggerate.
Yep. No exaggeration required.
FIREWALL
07-28-09, 04:15 PM
It is so fun with these international forums, where different cultures have different norms.
Anyway, I'm a little mixed about this. On one hand, I wouldn't mind looking at these 16 year old girls - in Denmark the sexual age is 15 - but on the other hand, I probably wouldn't approve a daughter of my own to do it. And then yet again, would I approve it at all if she was 18 or 21? Probably not. So it's not really the age, which is the issue here, or is it now? Is it not really the fear: what if it was to become my/our own daughters?
If the law says 16 in Rhode Island, then it's 16 and so what? Most teens discovers their sexuality much sooner, and to believe for one second that for parents to restrict teens exploring their sexual opportunities within the law would/should be possible is to say the least naive. Only working for changing the law to be more specific, having a paragraphe in the law stating that to be permitted to work within the domaine of striptease, one should have obtained the age of 18. Untill then, good luck to all parents of teenage daughters. :up:
Very well put. :up: It's sad that R.I. will garner a taxpayer at any age it can. I also wonder what their peers at school think of their part time job. :hmmm:
sh3rules
07-28-09, 04:34 PM
It's sad that R.I. will garner a taxpayer at any age it can. I also wonder what their peers at school think of their part time job. :hmmm:
You might disagree, but I'd say that people now are less judgmental than a few decades ago:
Video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE1YQPaAYBM)
Here's a British take on educational films:
Video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w)
And by the way, my Google history is rather boring compared to either my school or university memories ;)
Care to point out where the article says "indoor prostitution" is legal? Rhode Island, like any state dominated by the Democrats, is enough of a sewage pit on it's own without having to exaggerate.
"State law currently allows indoor prostitution, and two bills intended to ban it have stalled in the General Assembly (http://www.projo.com/blcS.sc?search=General+Assembly&cat=all). "
Blacklight
07-28-09, 05:37 PM
Quote:
Rhode Island, like any state dominated by the Democrats, is enough of a sewage pit on it's own without having to exaggerate.
Rhode Island is a pit on it's own. It has nothing to do with it being dominated by Democrats. I live in Connecticut and we're dominated by Democrats and we have laws against crap like that. The teen strippers and club owners are simply taking advantage of a loophole in the law there that needs to be closed. Don't get all political and blame Democrats for this issue.
FIREWALL
07-28-09, 07:04 PM
Just so I got all the facts right.
If I'm a 16yo boy I can't go in there and watch.
But, if I'm a 16yo girl I can go in and strip ?
Rhode Island is a pit on it's own. It has nothing to do with it being dominated by Democrats. I live in Connecticut and we're dominated by Democrats and we have laws against crap like that. The teen strippers and club owners are simply taking advantage of a loophole in the law there that needs to be closed. Don't get all political and blame Democrats for this issue.
Dude, I lived in Rhode Island for 20 years. I am well aware of it's problems and their causes. Believe me when I say that 1 party rule in the legislature decades long have created exactly those type of problems and a lot more.
Oh and Rhode Island law currently prohibits prostitution. It does not specifically mention "indoor" prostitution, but that does mean the practice is legal either.
CastleBravo
07-28-09, 07:53 PM
Just so I got all the facts right.
If I'm a 16yo boy I can't go in there and watch.
But, if I'm a 16yo girl I can go in and strip ?
A 16 yo boy can strip aswell, otherwise it would be discriminatory. That raises a whole other set of issues, doesn't it?
Aramike
07-28-09, 08:05 PM
If the law says 16 in Rhode Island, then it's 16 and so what? Most teens discovers their sexuality much sooner, and to believe for one second that for parents to restrict teens exploring their sexual opportunities within the law would/should be possible is to say the least naive.This isn't about a teenager's sexuality - this is about an individual having the maturity, experience, and wisdom to make an informed decision that they'd want to perform in a certain line of work.
CastleBravo
07-28-09, 08:06 PM
This isn't about a teenager's sexuality - this is about an individual having the maturity, experience, and wisdom to make an informed decision that they'd want to perform in a certain line of work.
But you must accept it is about the sexuality of the patrons. No? So this is like drugs, its the market? How about the market when it came to housing and the housing collapse?
sh3rules
07-28-09, 09:20 PM
This isn't about a teenager's sexuality - this is about an individual having the maturity, experience, and wisdom to make an informed decision that they'd want to perform in a certain line of work.
And when does an individual reach the "wisdom" to make an informed decision? Is the process of acquiring experience an individual or a collective one? In other words, should a person's experiences (and limitations) serve as a barrier for other people who may have a faster grasp of knowledge? Also, historically the concept of youth is rather fluid. If anything, today's youngsters have considerably more access to information and are already watching (or doing) things that would surprise and/or embarrass their mothers. If you're unsure about what I'm referring to, I can direct you to a few articles http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-632.gif
Aramike
07-28-09, 09:46 PM
And when does an individual reach the "wisdom" to make an informed decision?Indeed, it is different for each individual. However, when it comes to children, society smartly tries to play it safe. As such, a child becomes an adult at age 18 in the US.
Aramike
07-28-09, 09:47 PM
But you must accept it is about the sexuality of the patrons. No? So this is like drugs, its the market? How about the market when it came to housing and the housing collapse?I have no idea why you quoted my post with this response, as it seems to attempt to rebuttal a point I did not make.
Bah let them dance, 90% of the under 18 lasses in these clubs have been shagging since they were like 14 or earlier anyways.
sh3rules
07-29-09, 04:46 AM
Agreed. It's not as if we're in the judgmental, "father knows best" 1950s.
Video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqpe7Y_6rmQ)
I'm sure that many of today's teenagers are very experienced by the time they're 16.
Aramike
07-29-09, 12:20 PM
Agreed. It's not as if we're in the judgmental, "father knows best" 1950s.
Video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqpe7Y_6rmQ)
I'm sure that many of today's teenagers are very experienced by the time they're 16.Prudence isn't prudish, as many people like to claim. Every single time a conversation about youth and sex occurs where one side believes in a conservative viewpoint, the people who disagree with that side argue "it's not like where in the (insert earlier era here)."
What puzzles me about your point of view is that you see this as about having sex, which it isn't. This is about dancing in a strip club. Not only would this enable essentially a live version of child pornography (let me guess, that doesn't bother you guys either?) but this will no doubt have major social and mental implications many girls aren't capable of understanding.
Furthermore, where's your cutoff? 16? 15? 14? Wait, are we good with 13 year olds now? Why not 12, as some of them are surely mature enough to handle it?
Furthermore, where's your cutoff? 16? 15? 14? Wait, are we good with 13 year olds now? Why not 12, as some of them are surely mature enough to handle it?
***
Onkel Neal
07-29-09, 08:11 PM
Prudence isn't prudish, as many people like to claim. Every single time a conversation about youth and sex occurs where one side believes in a conservative viewpoint, the people who disagree with that side argue "it's not like where in the (insert earlier era here)."
What puzzles me about your point of view is that you see this as about having sex, which it isn't. This is about dancing in a strip club. Not only would this enable essentially a live version of child pornography (let me guess, that doesn't bother you guys either?) but this will no doubt have major social and mental implications many girls aren't capable of understanding.
Furthermore, where's your cutoff? 16? 15? 14? Wait, are we good with 13 year olds now? Why not 12, as some of them are surely mature enough to handle it?
Yeah, it's pretty damn sad how low so many people's morals are, and how passionately degenerate behavior is supported and defended.
Yeah, it's pretty damn sad how low so many people's morals are, and how passionately degenerate behavior is supported and defended.
Youthful bodies are beautiful, but to be put on the Block for hard cash is wrong.
We all know a boner has no religion,& this not about sex. The law can't be parents,& all parents do not teach integrity in stewardship.
Yeah, it's pretty damn sad how low so many people's morals are, and how passionately degenerate behavior is supported and defended.
Yep and people wonder why Rome became so decadent.
Aramike
07-30-09, 12:38 AM
Youthful bodies are beautiful, but to be put on the Block for hard cash is wrong.
We all know a boner has no religion,& this not about sex. The law can't be parents,& all parents do not teach integrity in stewardship.No, but the law can remove some of the ability of some bonehead parents to make absolutely stupid, immoral, and exploitative decisions that are legal, but harm their children.
How long you think before some drunk, abusive father had his daughter stripping for his next high (if it hasn't happened yet)?
Neal is exactly right, though - it's a damned shame how passionate people are at supporting and defending degenerate behaviors like this. With some people I suppose hedonism trumps morality.
Tribesman
07-30-09, 02:54 AM
Furthermore, where's your cutoff? 16? 15? 14? Wait, are we good with 13 year olds now? Why not 12, as some of them are surely mature enough to handle it?
The cutoff is the legal age of consent , in this case it is 16 like lots of other states, if the state has an age of 17 then that's the cutoff if they have 18 then that's the cutoff.
If they are legally able to consent to sex then whats the problem with them legally being able to strip?
If you want a uniform age of 18 then get on to your politicians and get the federal government to do away with all the State laws and make a one size fits all federal law.
Skybird
07-30-09, 04:17 AM
Yeah, it's pretty damn sad how low so many people's morals are, and how passionately degenerate behavior is supported and defended.
:salute: I second that.
Schroeder
07-30-09, 05:06 AM
What is the minimum age to join the US Army again? 17 I think. So girls aren't ready to handle stripping at 16 but can go to war at 17? Talking of morals.:nope:
BTW I wouldn't support anything of the above before the age of 18.
Skybird
07-30-09, 05:09 AM
What is the minimum age to join the US Army again? 17 I think. So girls aren't ready to handle stripping at 16 but can go to war at 17? Talking of morals.:nope:
Also true. Or the weapon fetish in general.
Tchocky
07-30-09, 05:13 AM
Or, like, booze.
http://www.mtcbsa.org/Camp/images/meritbadges/RifleShootMB.jpghttp://www.mtcbsa.org/Camp/images/meritbadges/ShotgunShootMB.jpg
What is the minimum age to join the US Army again? 17 I think. So girls aren't ready to handle stripping at 16 but can go to war at 17? Talking of morals.:nope:
BTW I wouldn't support anything of the above before the age of 18.
How very moralistic of you Germans.
When I was stationed in your country there were so many underage girls in nightclubs we were advised to card them!
So anyways what is the age of consent in Germany?
What's the minimum legal drinking age in Germany?
What's the minimum age to join the German army?
AVGWarhawk
07-30-09, 08:39 AM
Yeah, it's pretty damn sad how low so many people's morals are, and how passionately degenerate behavior is supported and defended.
It is getting worse by the minute.
antikristuseke
07-30-09, 09:05 AM
How very moralistic of you Germans.
When I was stationed in your country there were so many underage girls in nightclubs we were advised to card them!
From what I hear there are underage girls in nightclubs everywhere there are nightclubs. Other than the ****ty music, thats one f the reason I avoid those places.
But now to the questions
So anyways what is the age of consent in Germany?
The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14–15 year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination. In this rare and special case, a conviction on an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense in and of itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against coercion apply until the age of 18
Sauce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Germany
What's the minimum legal drinking age in Germany?
16, 18 for distilled beverages
Possession or consumption of alcohol by minors is not outlawed, but it is illegal to sell them alcohol or let them drink in public below the respective drinking age. Fermented alcoholic beverages may be consumed by minors in public when in presence of a legal guardian; drinking in private is not controlled. The restrictions on distilled beverages apply also to mixed drinks containing them.
Sauce: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/juschg/__9.html
What's the minimum age to join the German army?
Be 18 years of age (conscripts serve a nine-month tour of compulsory military service) (2004 est.) TheThe changed security situation made it possible to shorten basic military service. As of 1 January 2002 the duration of basic military service has been cut from 10 to 9 months. The option of volunteering to stay on for as long as 23 months is still available.
sauce: http://www.army.com/Germany/index.html
Schroeder
07-30-09, 09:35 AM
How very moralistic of you Germans.
When I was stationed in your country there were so many underage girls in nightclubs we were advised to card them!
So anyways what is the age of consent in Germany?
What's the minimum legal drinking age in Germany?
What's the minimum age to join the German army?
I think you misunderstood my point. I wondered why a lot of Americans think that 16 year olds can't handle to strip at a club while I never heard any complaints here that 17 year olds are expected to think through all the consequences of joining the armed forces. Both things can turn out very badly for the individual. But nobody seems to care about under age soldiers but when nudity is involved all hell breaks lose.
Again, I'm not supporting under aged striptease dancers. That should be forbidden (if it isn't already). But I think there are other things to think about that also have something to do with morale and are widely accepted.
I wondered why a lot of Americans think that 16 year olds can't handle to strip at a club while I never heard any complaints here that 17 year olds are expected to think through all the consequences of joining the armed forces.
I did indeed miss your point. Sorry.
FWIW a 17 year old wishing to join the US military must obtain his parents authorization. That's what I had to do back in 1977 and I believe that is still the case.
Another thing to consider is by the time the 17 year old completes basic and advanced training he's likely to have turned 18 already.
Frame57
07-30-09, 10:09 AM
Yep and people wonder why Rome became so decadent. The Greeks too....:salute:
Sailor Steve
07-30-09, 11:29 AM
It is getting worse by the minute.
It always has, and it always will. Societies swing back and forth. John and Abigail Adams both complained about how decadent French society was in 1785, and today we complain about decadence in American society.
I don't like it either, but what goes around comes around. The line between freedom and anarchy will likely never be defined to everyone's liking.
Aramike
07-30-09, 12:46 PM
If they are legally able to consent to sex then whats the problem with them legally being able to strip?Stripping and sex are two different things.
Besides, your post saying essentially that "it's legal therefore it's okay" is a cop out. The discussion is about whether or not it SHOULD be legal, as the controversy began over the fact that teenage stripping is legal in RI.
Freiwillige
07-30-09, 05:12 PM
The thing that I find odd about it all is that not too long ago in our cultural past mature males getting married to 13 year old girls and having a huge family was the norm. Nature says you can breed at puberty. Laws and cultural norms evolve and fade with the times.
I for one am against it, and having spent many of dollars in strip clubs I would prefer legal adult boobies over jail bait boobies. Even though there are some youngens you cant tell they aren't 18 19 or 20 cause Genetics treats everybody different.
So I think that Blanketed moral laws are just as bad as the opposite end of the spectrum. For example somebody stated "Furthermore, where's your cutoff? 16? 15? 14? Wait, are we good with 13 year olds now? Why not 12, as some of them are surely mature enough to handle it?"
Well where is the cutoff for the morality laws designed to protect us from ourselves? Many 19 and 20 year olds are to immature to handle life. We could just go back to the puritan times and make everything a sin!
I think it boils down to the family to decide what is moral and what is liberal and what is acceptable. And beyond that a reasonable law structure which I think this nation has.
Tribesman
07-30-09, 05:15 PM
the controversy began over the fact that teenage stripping is legal in RI.
So what?
Its legal because the age limit is 16, if the age limit was 18 it would still be teenage stripping.
You went off on a rather strange slippery slope arguement about 15,14,13 or even 12 year olds stripping which is nonsense unless in America you are talking about FLDS ideas about age of consent and their churches somehow opening illegal strip clubs
The discussion is about whether or not it SHOULD be legal,
"If you want a uniform age of 18 then get on to your politicians and get the federal government to do away with all the State laws and make a one size fits all federal law. "
Skybird
07-30-09, 05:21 PM
The German constitution at it's very beginning mentions a quality that so far has not been mentioned here, but is inevitably relevant for the themes of commercial sex, sexual morals, sexual prudishness and sexual shamelessness:
Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany, article 1:
The dignity of man is untouchable.
I never have payed a woman for sex, and I never will do that in my life, no matter in what context, not in a bar, and not by buying according "material". Because it is degrading to her, and for me even more important: it is a disgrace to myself.
That is the only moral worth to be taken into account here. Or to say it in German: sich jemandem hingeben ohne sich dabei etwas zu vergeben - that's what decides what is moral and what is immoral. You see - third people's opinions have little to do with it.
Aramike
07-30-09, 05:32 PM
So what?
Its legal because the age limit is 16, if the age limit was 18 it would still be teenage stripping.
You went off on a rather strange slippery slope arguement about 15,14,13 or even 12 year olds stripping which is nonsense unless in America you are talking about FLDS ideas about age of consent and their churches somehow opening illegal strip clubsYou took my comments about 15 and under WAY out of context. It was made in the sense of morality - not legality.
Aramike
07-30-09, 05:37 PM
So I think that Blanketed moral laws are just as bad as the opposite end of the spectrum. For example somebody stated "Furthermore, where's your cutoff? 16? 15? 14? Wait, are we good with 13 year olds now? Why not 12, as some of them are surely mature enough to handle it?"
Well where is the cutoff for the morality laws designed to protect us from ourselves? Many 19 and 20 year olds are to immature to handle life. We could just go back to the puritan times and make everything a sin!
I think it boils down to the family to decide what is moral and what is liberal and what is acceptable. And beyond that a reasonable law structure which I think this nation has. The idea is that, as a group of people age, there are more people in that group capable of making properly informed decisions. At some point in time, that group generally has enough capable individuals that society decides to turn them loose, as it were.
It's the only thing that makes sense. In what societal construct do we really have time to look at every single possibilty on a case-by-case basis and then ruling it either legal or illegal? Also, if done AFTER the fact, then people would be culpable for crimes they had no idea they were committing.
Tribesman
07-30-09, 05:43 PM
It was made in the sense of morality - not legality.
So how is it immoral for someone who is old enough to choose to screw being able to choose to get their kit off ?
Aramike
07-30-09, 05:51 PM
So how is it immoral for someone who is old enough to choose to screw being able to choose to get their kit off ?I'm pretty sure any explanation would fall on deaf ears, as your morality is clearly set apart and below the vast majority of people (thankfully).
http://newsblog.projo.com/2009/07/lt-gov-roberts-2.html
Here's a hint, though: the government knows you can't stop minors from having sex. However, the government also knows it CAN stop minors from engaging in certain, regulated activities.
Platapus
07-30-09, 06:16 PM
I never have payed a woman for sex, and I never will do that in my life, no matter in what context, not in a bar, and not by buying according "material". Because it is degrading to her, and for me even more important: it is a disgrace to myself.
We all pay for sex. It does not always involve the handing over of cash, but payment will be made. :)
Carotio
07-30-09, 06:23 PM
We all pay for sex. It does not always involve the handing over of cash, but payment will be made. :)
Like all mariages. The most expensive kind of prostitution. :03:
I never have payed a woman for sex, and I never will do that in my life, no matter in what context, not in a bar, and not by buying according "material". Because it is degrading to her, and for me even more important: it is a disgrace to myself.
Its only degrading to her IF SHE decides its degrading to her.
By the way, this has nothing to do with morals, this is about cultural beliefs and taboos.
Morals have to do with killing people or what not, not women taking off their clothes, stuff like this varies wildly with different cultures.
Yep and people wonder why Rome became so decadent.Stop judging the Romani by a few screwed up emperors, its like calling all Americans unfaithful to their wives because that one governor shagged some Argentinian girl behind his wife's back
Aramike
07-30-09, 06:33 PM
By the way, this has nothing to do with morals, this is about cultural beliefs and taboos.
Morals have to do with killing people or what not, not women taking off their clothes, stuff like this varies wildly with different cultures.Umm, "morality" refers to a society's code of conduct - not "killing people or what not".
Besides, there have been plenty of societies that did not see killing as immoral.
Ultimately, morality comes down to weighting the pros and cons of any ontological system. While there aren't absolutes, ethically it makes sense to err on the side of caution.
Umm, "morality" refers to a society's code of conduct - not "killing people or what not".
Besides, there have been plenty of societies that did not see killing as immoral.
Ultimately, morality comes down to weighting the pros and cons of any ontological system. While there aren't absolutes, ethically it makes sense to err on the side of caution.
Well maybe in Rhode Island they are erring on the side of caution and don't see anything immoral about women past the age of consent being aloud to flaunt their age of consentness.
Aramike
07-30-09, 06:59 PM
Well maybe in Rhode Island they are erring on the side of caution and don't see anything immoral about women past the age of consent being aloud to flaunt their age of consentness.OK, I must have missed something: how is THAT "erring" on the side of caution? You do know what that phrase means, right?
Oh, and they DO see it as immoral. Did you read the articles about it? They're trying to change the law to close the loophole, and police have suggested that, should they have found other children engaging in such behavior, they would have removed them under other laws.
This begs the question, though: do you know the story this thread is based upon?
This begs the question, though: do you know the story this thread is based upon?
Obviously the 300 spartans. :rotfl:
Yeah your right though I tend to skim articles, I'l take my leave before Neal shoots me with a hunting rifle.
Stop judging the Romani by a few screwed up emperors, its like calling all Americans unfaithful to their wives because that one governor shagged some Argentinian girl behind his wife's back
Actually it's not.
By the time those screwed up emperors came on the scene Roman morals had already degraded to the point that things like a little marital infidelity was no big deal.
Obviously the 300 Spartans. :rotfl:
Yeah your right though I tend to skim articles, I'll take my leave before Neal shoots me with a hunting rifle.:shucks:
Now you know RI. legislatures problems.:salute:
Tribesman
07-30-09, 08:03 PM
I'm pretty sure any explanation would fall on deaf ears, as your morality is clearly set apart and below the vast majority of people (thankfully).
Would that be morality of the the vocal majority who for example threw a fit when a singer showed a glimpse of a nipple at a sports event?
Yeah I am well apart from those insecure prudes.
Here's a hint, though: the government knows you can't stop minors from having sex.
Is that why the last bunch of muppets wasted time and money on abstinence only sex education?
However, the government also knows it CAN stop minors from engaging in certain, regulated activities.
Can it?
Has it stopped underage drinking?
Funny isn't it , public morals were one reason given for the uniform age of 21, apparently being an adult doesn't mean you are responsible enough to choose to buy beer in the nanny state.
So back to the stripper , she was 16 but using a fake ID, wow just like a 19 year old buying beer with a dodgy piece of paper.
The big deal is that she didn't have to use a fake ID at all because Rhode Island puts the age of sexual majority at 16.
This topic is hilarious, people who would normally complain about government intervention and erosion of State laws by the evil Feds are getting in a tizzy because some tart was getting paid to get her kit off .
Aramike
07-31-09, 02:19 AM
Would that be morality of the the vocal majority who for example threw a fit when a singer showed a glimpse of a nipple at a sports event?
Yeah I am well apart from those insecure prudes.If a 40 year-old singer showing some nip was the discussion, I'd somewhat agree with you.
But that's not the topic.Is that why the last bunch of muppets wasted time and money on abstinence only sex education?Irrelevent to the point. Educating someone to make informed choices doesn't translate to preventing certain choices from being made.
Preventing legal establishments from hiring certain individuals DOES prevent certain choices from being made.Can it?
Has it stopped underage drinking?Underage drinking can't be stopped. Underage stripping in legal establishments CAN be stopped. Hence when I said, and I quote (with emphasis), "CERTAIN regulated activities".
Besides, the analogy is silly in how it really isn't analogous at all. It would make more sense to imply that underage stripping (related to the topic) is related to underage drinking in legal drinking establishments.So back to the stripper , she was 16 but using a fake ID, wow just like a 19 year old buying beer with a dodgy piece of paper.
The big deal is that she didn't have to use a fake ID at all because Rhode Island puts the age of sexual majority at 16.You obviously missed the point of the entire discussion.This topic is hilarious, people who would normally complain about government intervention and erosion of State laws by the evil Feds are getting in a tizzy because some tart was getting paid to get her kit off . Again, you miss the point.
Tribesman
07-31-09, 04:29 AM
Educating someone to make informed choices doesn't translate to preventing certain choices from being made.
Restricting the information available prevents people from making informed choices
Preventing legal establishments from hiring certain individuals DOES prevent certain choices from being made.
No it doesn't, it just makes it slightly harder.
Underage stripping in legal establishments CAN be stopped.
But it isn't underage stripping is it. If it was underage stripping you would be able to apply the Miller test and get it banned straight away by the Federal government.
Besides, the analogy is silly in how it really isn't analogous at all.
Actually its a good one, the vocal morality crowd got the law changed to prevent something but it doesn't work, now the vocal morality crowd want to change another law that won't work.
Aramike
07-31-09, 04:41 AM
No it doesn't, it just makes it slightly harder.Please cite your reasoning for "slightly". RI police checked every single licenced establishment for underage "performers", and didn't find a single one.
Reasonably, in certain disciplines "slightly" becomes closers to "completely".
I do suggest you read the entire story before making further comments though.
Tribesman
07-31-09, 06:17 AM
Please cite your reasoning for "slightly".
Fake ID has always been easy to obtain, with modern times we now have very good printers and scanners in many homes, small laminating machines easily available so obtaining a good fake ID has never been cheaper or easier. Even without going into the whole identity fraud business just look at how many websites you can find offering for sale any ID you can possibly imagine.
RI police checked every single licenced establishment for underage "performers", and didn't find a single one.
Wow.
And do they check them all everyday every hour that they are open?
Actually that statement of yours really underlines the sillyness of the outrage , you want to change the law because of a story about one single tart who only broke the law in that she had fake ID.
Reasonably, in certain disciplines "slightly" becomes closers to "completely".
Yeah like prohibition:rotfl:
I do suggest you read the entire story before making further comments though.
Thats rather a silly thing to say.
sh3rules
07-31-09, 06:27 AM
Yeah, it's pretty damn sad how low so many people's morals are, and how passionately degenerate behavior is supported and defended.
Luckily we have the holier-than-thou types to save us.
Luckily we have the holier-than-thou types to save us.
Who cares about saving you?
sh3rules
07-31-09, 03:34 PM
I don't need saving http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-632.gif but I have a problem with people who look down on someone else's principles as an excuse for regulation. It is a slippery slope from moralizing to censorship; at the other extreme you find anarchy and chaos. The middle ground -how much freedom- will always be subject to debate.
I don't need saving http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-632.gif but I have a problem with people who look down on someone else's principles as an excuse for regulation. It is a slippery slope from moralizing to censorship; at the other extreme you find anarchy and chaos. The middle ground -how much freedom- will always be subject to debate.
Well I'd say that any principle which allows a child to work as a stripper is far closer to the extreme of anarchy and chaos than i'd prefer to have in my community, and no offense to you intended, but I don't really care if anyone thinks it's being holier than thou.
Tribesman
07-31-09, 10:42 PM
Well I'd say that any principle which allows a child to work as a stripper is far closer to the extreme of anarchy and chaos than i'd prefer to have in my community,
Is she a child though?
Tribesman
08-01-09, 05:47 PM
Well I had exected a comback from the moral majority, but given the specifics of the topic and the wider implications I ain't really suprised, emancipation of minorsi s a tricky subject, especially when there are so manystates with so many different laws........But hey at least on a federal level you can't live with your 12 year old cousin as man and wife anymore . Them good old traditional values are being eroded by the evil feds and their one size fits all laws.
Platapus
08-01-09, 06:51 PM
What exactly is the harm in a 16 year old dancing?
She is not a hooker, which involves some physical risk. She is dancing in front of a bunch of men.
Is she being exploited? Sure, and probably being very well paid for it.
Personally, I would not want to watch but the I don't watch any strippers... not my bag.
If one is being worried about the 16 year old being "morally" affected, I would wager there are more dangers than dancing in a legitimate dance club to worry about.
Tribesman
08-01-09, 07:17 PM
I would wager there are more dangers than dancing in a legitimate dance club to worry about.
Yep, the only issue here as far as I am concerned is that she ran away from home with a 40 year old criminal.
Onkel Neal
08-01-09, 07:37 PM
Well I had exected a comback from the moral majority, but given the specifics of the topic and the wider implications I ain't really suprised, emancipation of minorsi s a tricky subject, especially when there are so manystates with so many different laws........But hey at least on a federal level you can't live with your 12 year old cousin as man and wife anymore . Them good old traditional values are being eroded by the evil feds and their one size fits all laws.
Wait, you thought I was going to waste arguing about it? :haha:
Aramike
08-01-09, 07:38 PM
Wait, you thought I was going to waste arguing about it? :haha::up:
Tribesman
08-02-09, 03:46 AM
Wait, you thought I was going to waste arguing about it?
I am so glad you realised that the moral outrage arguement doesn't hold water over this story:03:
Aramike
08-02-09, 01:06 PM
I am so glad you realised that the moral outrage arguement doesn't hold water over this story:03:No, that's not what he realized. He, and others, understand the simple fact that it is pointless to argue morality who doesn't understand the very ethics of protecting children.
And I agree.
Just because people are giving you the last word doesn't mean that they think you're right at all. It just means they realize discussion with you is pointless.
Lil' Subsim
08-02-09, 02:05 PM
What's wrong with RI? As far I know, Family Guy takes place there.
Tribesman
08-02-09, 07:21 PM
He, and others, understand the simple fact that it is pointless to argue morality who doesn't understand the very ethics of protecting children.
Someone above the age of consent is no longer considered a child. That is why your arguement is an epic fail.
Aramike
08-02-09, 09:16 PM
Someone above the age of consent is no longer considered a child. That is why your arguement is an epic fail.Umm, no, that's a minor. And age of MAJORITY is different for different things, and isn't relevent to "child" at all.
Nice try though. No one can really expect an amoral individual to understand the difference...
Tribesman
08-03-09, 04:59 AM
Umm, no, that's a minor.
No an adult is someone who in that instance is classed as no longer a child.
If emancipation from minority status is at 16 then that person is an adult not a child.
Adult : a human who has reached an age specified by law.
Child : a person not yet of age.
Perhaps you should have got outraged by the 12 year old stripper in Texas , as everyone apart from religious nuts who consider that adulthood starts with puberty and nonces would find that outrageous.
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.