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stabiz

07-23-09, 08:16 PM

I was on a road trip through Europe (or that was the plan, hehe, but thats another story) with a mate and we stopped at the Deutches Panzermuseum. Lots of goodies in that place:

Panzer IV:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1859.jpg

Hetzer:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1941.jpg

StuG:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1884.jpg

StuG again:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1897.jpg

Me & the BIG Panther (I am 180 cm tall/short):
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1867.jpg

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1868.jpg

Jagdpanther:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1875.jpg

88mm gun:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1889.jpg

Sturmtiger:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1891.jpg

Hummel & Vespe:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1892.jpg

stabiz

07-23-09, 08:21 PM

SU 100:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1939.jpg

Brummbar(?):
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1896.jpg

Jagdpanzers:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1905.jpg

Panther again:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1948.jpg

Me & the Koenigstiger:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1900.jpg

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1917.jpg

Never seen this one before:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1876.jpg

Lots of other stuff as well, including more modern tanks, but who cares about that?:) Well worth the trip to Munster.

SUBMAN1

07-23-09, 08:27 PM

darius359au

07-23-09, 08:31 PM

The last one is a 7.5cm PaK40/4 auf Raupenschlepper ,Ost (Sf) to give it it's full name :03:

it's one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raupenschlepper,_Ost cut down and fitted with a 7.5cm Pak 40/4 L/46 gun , theres a picture of it in the link.

Buddahaid

07-23-09, 08:39 PM

That one drips oil like my beetle. :D

Buddahaid

OneToughHerring

07-24-09, 02:51 AM

Whats remarkable is the height. I was next to an M1A1 not too long ago (actually buttoned down in it) and you can practically look over the top of that tank it is so low profile and close to the ground. These are just tall with a big "shoot me" sign on them.

-S

That's because the ones in the pictures are quite a bit older than the M1A1. The US M3 Lee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3_Lee) for example didn't have a particularily low silhouette.

Raptor1

07-24-09, 04:55 AM

That Sturmtiger looks nasty, wouldn't want to see one driving up to my bunker...

Janus

07-24-09, 05:10 AM

Does anyone know the range of the Sturmtiger's gun? The calibre surely is huge but the length of the gun makes me think that thing has a range of 500 meters at most...

Skybird

07-24-09, 05:20 AM

Does anyone know the range of the Sturmtiger's gun? The calibre surely is huge but the length of the gun makes me think that thing has a range of 500 meters at most...
Only 18 Sturmtiger were built by Hitler's personal command. The "gun" is a mortar 38cm, shooting 350kg heavy explosive rocket-grenades over distances of up to 6 km. Originally it was a Navy weapon to fight submarines.

Nice pics, Stabiz! Be damned for not showing the more modern stuff, too! ;)

Getting hit by this thing was a nasty affair, resulting in collapse of the affected bulding or whole groups of Shermans receiving major damage and kills. They were also heavily demoralising. The US Army made them a top priority target to find and take out.

http://www.waffenhq.de/panzer/sturmtiger.html

Raptor1

07-24-09, 05:23 AM

Does anyone know the range of the Sturmtiger's gun? The calibre surely is huge but the length of the gun makes me think that thing has a range of 500 meters at most...

Since the projectiles are rockets, barrel length is moot

Jimbuna

07-24-09, 05:35 AM

Some great shots :up: ....brings back memories of my numerous visits to our tank museum in the UK at Bovington near Salisbury Plain:

http://www.tankmuseum.org/home

To view the vehicles click on Collections and follow the prompts, or here (http://www.tankmuseum.org/Vehicles) then floor plan of the museum (http://www.tankmuseum.org/veh_plan_search)

Jimbuna

07-24-09, 05:40 AM

Does anyone know the range of the Sturmtiger's gun? The calibre surely is huge but the length of the gun makes me think that thing has a range of 500 meters at most...

The main armament was the 380 mm Raketen-Werfer 61 L/5.4, a breech-loading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breech-loading) rocket launcher, which fired short-range, rocket-propelled projectiles. These projectiles were roughly 1.5 metres (59 in) in length and could either contain a high explosive charge of 125 kilograms (280 lb) or a shaped charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge) for use against fortifications, which could penetrate up to 2.5 metres (98 in) of reinforced concrete. The stated range of the former was 5,650 metres (6,180 yd). The weight of the complete rounds was 345 to 351 kilograms (760–770 lb). A normal charge first accelerated the projectile to 45 metres per second (150 ft/s), the 40 kilograms (88 lb) rocket charge then boosted this to about 250 metres per second (820 ft/s).

darius359au

07-24-09, 06:02 AM

Range for the 38cm RW61 on the Sturmmorser was was around 4600 meter's

Platapus

07-24-09, 06:04 AM

So is the Sturmtiger classified as a Self-propelled arty piece or is it in a class of its own?

Raptor1

07-24-09, 06:07 AM

So is the Sturmtiger classified as a Self-propelled arty piece or is it in a class of its own?

I do believe it's classified as an Assault Gun, even if the gun isn't exactly much of one.

Seeadler

07-24-09, 06:37 AM

I was on a road trip through Europe (or that was the plan, hehe, but thats another story) with a mate and we stopped at the Deutches Panzermuseum.
Then you were near to my home village, from here is the Deutches Panzermuseum only 40 min. away :DL

Skybird

07-24-09, 06:55 AM

Janus

07-24-09, 07:09 AM

Thanks for the answers about the Sturmtiger. So it actually is kind of a rocket artillery/mortar :hmmm:

Jimbuna

07-24-09, 07:51 AM

darius359au

07-24-09, 08:18 AM

Thanks for the answers about the Sturmtiger. So it actually is kind of a rocket artillery/mortar :hmmm:

Yes , this shows it in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb-oXaaWqXk
There's very little actual footage of one in action , I was surprised I even found this bit.

Task Force

07-24-09, 08:30 AM

Great Pics Stabiz!:up:

Janus

07-24-09, 08:49 AM

Yes , this shows it in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb-oXaaWqXk
There's very little actual footage of one in action , I was surprised I even found this bit.
Ah yes, I saw this too. I'd like to see it firing in slow motion.

Raptor1

07-24-09, 08:53 AM

The Sturmtiger is another example of bad late-war German tank designs. It was truly a fearsome weapon, but the Germans were never in a position to use it as intended.

stabiz

07-24-09, 09:27 AM

I took the freedom to get motivated by jimbuna and Stabiz to launch this:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=154116

Feel free to contribute your good links and precious info! Just don't scatter the thread, so that all stuff can be easily found again.

Nice! I would like a quality die cast model of the Pz4 F2, Tiger, Panther, Jagdpanther or Flak 88, so I am going to look at those. The museum had a gift shop, but it looked pretty robbed, all I saw was a small StuG in metal, all the rest was plastic toyish stuff.

More pics:

A WW1 box of death:DL:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1862.jpg

T38 (this one was named Wilde Sau, meaning Wild Sheep, I reckon):
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1865.jpg

Me looking though the 75mm gun of a Panther:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1946.jpg

88mm Flak:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1855.jpg

Goliath:
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww1/stabiz1/IMG_1869.jpg

Task Force

07-24-09, 09:29 AM

Ive never seen that little thing at the end... what is it...:rotfl:

Raptor1

07-24-09, 09:45 AM

Remote-controlled mine, it explodes.

That A7V has to be one of the strangest tanks ever built...

Oh, T38? Don't you mean Panzer 38(t)?

stabiz

07-24-09, 10:16 AM

:oops: :woot:

Raptor1

07-24-09, 10:20 AM

Oh, is that A7V an original tank or a replica? I heard only 1 survived and it's in Australia...

Skybird

07-24-09, 10:23 AM

T38 (this one was named Wilde Sau, meaning Wild Sheep, I reckon):

:DL A "wilde Sau" has nothing to do with a sheep going amok, but it means (wild) sow. Explosive searching for truffles on my mind... :D

stabiz

07-24-09, 11:16 AM

Hehe, that was a very disappointing explanation. Wild sheep!

Seeadler

07-24-09, 11:38 AM

Oh, is that A7V an original tank or a replica?
In Munster it is a replica.
The only original one is in Brisbane and served as a template for this replica. The rebuild was made not in all details of the original.

Kongo Otto

07-25-09, 05:50 AM

Yes its a replica. But as it was the first German Tank, the Panzermuseum Munster should have one.
That was the reason why they rebuilt this piece of Mecanized warfare history.

And off course most of the Tanks inside the Museum, are still driveable.
As you can see here:
Panzer IV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVBGDdTjt7E&feature=related
Panzer III:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY6ua5NV75E&feature=related
Panzerhaubitze Hummel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9Ea2nwEZEI&feature=related
Panther:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dwUJEmayBQ&feature=related

The Panther roars again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzsTvdthLBA&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1xap54hDwM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DdobJ01vdA&feature=channel

stabiz

07-25-09, 06:03 AM

Wow, thanks for the links!:salute:

Dowly

07-25-09, 06:57 AM

Darn that StuG is cool. :smug:

Kongo Otto

07-25-09, 08:50 AM

Thanks for your Pics. :yeah::up::salute:

OK mates i see, you cry for more. :DL

Hear the beast
King Tiger at Tank Museum Saumur / France:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfbjnQzaBXY&feature=related

Feel the beast
Driving a TigerI :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY_5c0mBXok&feature=related

TigerI replica First Engine start up. Crank it up boys. :DL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voMkbSes460&feature=related