Gate's arrest report

[SteamWake]

If your not familiar with the story this man Henry Louis Gates was arrrested after a neighbor noticed 'someone' breaking into his home and called the police.

Gates is claiming Racisim.

Read it and decide for yourself.

Personally I think this guy acted like an ass and probably should have been arrested.

Note the arrrest is for "loud and tumultious behaviour" and not breaking and entering.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

[geetrue]

The professor must have said a few racial slurs himself ...

He had just completed a long journey from China back to his home ...

Have you ever completed a long journey and needed a rest? I have ...

The officer knew he had a live one and asked him to step outside, but the professor refused and went to get his ID to prove who he was.

The officer followed him inside without being asked inside and after the proof was
presented the words were exchanged with the professor following the
police officer to the door.

The professor must have (I was not there lol) came out onto the porch area and at that time they arrested him for disorderly conduct.

I don't see the police doing anything wrong in aswering the report of a burglery in progress or with asking if he can prove who he is?

After that things get a little cloudy ...

But to make it all the way to a presidential news conference ... now thats the real news ... :hmmm:

[SteamWake]

But to make it all the way to a presidential news conference ... now thats the real news ... :hmmm:

When opportunity knocks... :shifty:

[Onkel Neal]

If your not familiar with the story this man Henry Louis Gates was arrrested after a neighbor noticed 'someone' breaking into his home and called the police.

Gates is claiming Racisim.

Read it and decide for yourself.

Personally I think this guy acted like an ass and probably should have been arrested.

Note the arrrest is for "loud and tumultious behaviour" and not breaking and entering.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

Yeah, I think the guy was probably acting like an ass, but the officer should have left after verifying that particular ass actually lived there.

One thing they never mention when they highlight that minorities are often singled out and stopped by police: minorties commit a much higher percentage of crime in relation to their percentage of the population.

The cop was just trying to do his job, if Gates would have simply cooperated, there would have been no problem.

I was really surprised to see Mr. Cool unload on the Cambridge police in his press conf.

Did Obama Go Too Far With Race Remark? (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8156606&page=1)

[Takeda Shingen]

I just wonder if there is anyone that the president is not good friends with. It seems that anyone who is mentioned is a 'close, personal friend' of his. The guy's Blackberry must be stretched to the limit.

[SteamWake]

I was really surprised to see Mr. Cool unload on the Cambridge police in his press conf.

Did Obama Go Too Far With Race Remark? (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8156606&page=1)

Espically when he had not facts or data to base his claims on.

I believe its called jumping to a conclusion.

He would have best served to either say nothing or that he dident know all the circumstances. But evidently this Gates fellow is an aquaintance of Barry's and the chance to 'expose racisisim' was just too tempting to overlook.


"Have some people wanted him to bring this up sooner?" asked civil rights activist, the Rev. Al Sharpton. (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Story?id=131787&page=1) "Of course, we have. But the timing had to be right. He had the courage to take a position at a time when he knows some people will disagree."


Activists need to stick together you know.

[Freiwillige]

Ive read that article and I know for a fact that popping off to the police and being uncooperative and verbally combative leads you to handcuffs regardless of race. Been there and done that!

[SteamWake]

Ive read that article and I know for a fact that popping off to the police and being uncooperative and verbally combative leads you to handcuffs regardless of race. Been there and done that!

This should be all but obvious to most rational people.

Yet you wait and see what kind of circus the 'popular media' can make of this.

Barry's involvement in this was a very poor decision, an easy and I think wiser course would have been to abstain.

But his background and his 'friends' urge him otherwise.

[GoldenRivet]

This should be all but obvious to most rational people.

Yet you wait and see what kind of circus the 'popular media' can make of this.

Barry's involvement in this was a very poor decision, an easy and I think wiser course would have been to abstain.

But his background and his 'friends' urge him otherwise.


agreed.

not to sound racist - GOD FORBID IM A WHITE GUY HERE but...

honestly its hard for me to understand why to this day black folks still cry "racism" every time things are not going smoothly for them.

it has become an excuse for them - a card they can play which draws automatic sympathy.

news flash folks... blacks and whites are equally capable of racism; sucks but its a fact.

racism will probably never be snuffed out.

however - i think - for the most part - most white people and most black people dont give a damn about race.

but each side has this fringe that draws a wedge between the rest of us.

you have to see past that.

i have read with interest every bit of information i can about this case.

on one hand... the professor could have avoided the whole situation by just cooperating with the officer and this whole mess would have been resolved without incident in about 180 seconds.

on the other hand... once the cop determined it was the guy's house he could have just as easily left the scene.

personally i think both parties are to blame.

i dont think anyone was racially profiled.

i would expect the officer to verify my ID if i were in my house and there had been such a burglary called in on my home.

I WOULD EXPECT IT!

my father had a friend of the family house sitting for him about a month ago... the whole place is crawling with security cameras. (they showed me this video)

this lady accidentally set off the burglar alarm and a BLACK sheriff responded, entered the residence and located this 50+ year old WHITE lady and pulled his gun on her.

once the situation was explained it was all good... but you didnt hear about it in the news!!!! :doh::doh::doh::doh:

its because she didnt run out and cry to al sharpton about being white!

cry me a river folks.

the officer was doing his due diligence to protect the man's property - you would think the dumb ass would appreciate it. :nope:

[Aramike]

Obama, by condemning the cops' actions made a complete ass out of himself, and lowered the presidency to a level I hope he never does again. Be it right or wrong, POTUS should be far above such trivialities. The fact that Obama lowered himself to such instances combined with his personal race and racial tendencies demonstrates a bias I hope is not indicative of his administration.

[OneToughHerring]

One thing they never mention when they highlight that minorities are often singled out and stopped by police: minorties commit a much higher percentage of crime in relation to their percentage of the population.

Oh there are racist cops out there, that's for sure. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to be a cop and a certain racist mentality is very common among not just the cops themselves but the law enforcement agencies from top to bottom.

Also these cases of arresting people for "exchanging words with the police", "verbal insult" or "loud and unruly behavior" are pretty iffy. It's a pretty shadowy line that the cop makes a decision about on the spot in the heat of the moment. And of course when there is no footage of the incident the cops are trusted rather than the individuals. And in cases of cops using physical force they can also walk free even if they beat people up etc. if there is no hard evidence against them.

Strange how some freedom-lovin' americans would be so quick to give so much power basically to the government.

[Blacklight]

Rush Limbaugh was on the radio today as I was changing stations and he was talking about it. He was saying that "The guy probably deserved it. He was disrespecting an officer of the law obviously. We weren't there !"
:nope:
Limbaugh is an idiot.
Sometimes I wonder if he actually believes half the crap that comes out of his mouth and it scares me that there are people who idolize him and hang on his every word. :nope:

[Blacklight]

Obama, by condemning the cops' actions made a complete ass out of himself, and lowered the presidency to a level I hope he never does again. Be it right or wrong, POTUS should be far above such trivialities. The fact that Obama lowered himself to such instances combined with his personal race and racial tendencies demonstrates a bias I hope is not indicative of his administration.


Bullcrap. Obama said what we all should say about it. His opinion shouldn't be censored just because he's the president. He should be able to voice his opinions regardless of his position.

[Aramike]

Bullcrap. Obama said what we all should say about it. His opinion shouldn't be censored just because he's the president. He should be able to voice his opinions regardless of his position.Umm, wrong. And an utterly silly concept.

The president, by the very nature of his office, needs to keep many opinions private as what he says can unduly influence policies. Oh, and not that you're biased about it or anything, as in one sentence you're referring to Obama's OPINION while in the other one you claim he said "what we should ALL say about it"... :down:

Not to mention that Obama even admitted to not knowing all the facts of the case, and has since been backtracking a bit on his comments.

[SteamWake]

Bullcrap. Obama said what we all should say about it. His opinion shouldn't be censored just because he's the president. He should be able to voice his opinions regardless of his position.

I agree lay his agenda's and views out for all to see.

[Onkel Neal]

and then, there is real police abuse. (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090528_12_A9_PADENm636122)

The incident occurred in Paden as the Creek Nation ambulance, which did not have its emergency lights or siren on, was taking a sick woman from Boley to the hospital in nearby Prague.

According to a report by paramedic Maurice White Jr., the ambulance, driven by Paul Franks, was nearing Paden when White saw a trooper's car approaching fast behind them. White said the patrol car had its emergency lights on but that he couldn't hear a siren. When he next noticed the patrol car, it was about three feet behind the ambulance's bumper, he said. At that point, White told Franks to pull over to let the patrol car pass.

As the trooper passed, the ambulance received a radio transmission from the trooper, whom White quoted as telling them, "You should consider checking your rear-view mirrors." A few blocks into Paden, White saw a trooper's car, with its lights and siren on, pull out of a side street and again race up to the ambulance, he said. Franks pulled over, and he and White got out of the ambulance, White said. White said the trooper had a woman in the car, so he thought at first that she was sick and that the trooper wanted them to look at her.

However, "the officer got out of his vehicle in a state of rage," White's report states.



Lak I said many times, cops rip up and down the roads breaking speed limits all the time without their lights on. :nope: They seem to have a problem when someone else does it.

[SUBMAN1]

Glad he was arrested. Maybe next time he won't spout off things such as this next time he is simply asked a few questions:

...Gates, however, told him "that I had no idea who I was 'messing' with" and was being so loud that he could not give pertinent information to the department when he was calling in, the sergeant said....

...Crowley's report said that when he asked to speak with Gates outside, the professor at one point responded, "I'll speak with your mama outside."...http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/24/officer.gates.arrest/

Sounds to me that the officer was assaulted.

Crud, these officers are simply there trying to protect his home. He should be appreciative of that. Next time, maybe they should let someone break in.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Just thinking about this guy and I'm guessing it was drilled into him his entire childhood that the white man is there to keep the black man down. At some point in time, no matter the lie, people will start to believe the lie.

Some advice for him though - next time a cop is asking him some questions, don't threaten him by telling him "You don't know who you are messing with". :D I'd arrest him simply for saying that! :yeah:

-S

[FIREWALL]

This all could have been avoided if 2 things in history had changed.....

1. The rich Southern land owners hadn't " Outsourced" for labor help and hired Americans.

2. And Honest Abe would have Deported the Illegals.

So much for the Civil War then.

Aw hell... They probably would have found something else to fight about.

[SteamWake]

The White House today said that President Obama "regrets" the furor his remarks on the arrest of his friend Henry Louis Gates Jr. (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8153681&page=1) have caused, as the lawyer for the cop who arrested the black Harvard University professor said the officer may sue Gates for defamation.


Yes Im sure he does.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8163051&page=1

[geetrue]

Obama made it sound like a football game he was talking about and then he even offered a little parable on if he had been trying to get into the white house he says, "Oh never mind I probably would have been shot"

everyone laughs relieving the tension in the room :cool:

[CastleBravo]

I didn't watch the presser, but was this the last response to the last question asked of Mr. Obama?

[SUBMAN1]

Ouch! This has hurt Obama more than I thought! Talk about open mouth, insert foot!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/july_2009/obama_index_july_25_2009/235988-1-eng-US/obama_index_july_25_2009.jpg

[Platapus]

President Obama's comments were completely inappropriate.

He really needs to learn that just because a reporter asks his opinion on something that he does not have to answer. :nope:

[CastleBravo]

Mr. Obama may have crossed the Manson-Nixon Line.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=888&dat=19700805&id=Af0NAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BHwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5780,3412264

[1480]

The real blame belongs to the white next door neighbor, who called the police in the first place. Did she not know who lived next door to her????

:haha:

Most of you know my feelings when it comes to something like this so I will sit quietly back and enjoy the banter. :salute:

[CastleBravo]

The real blame belongs to the white next door neighbor, who called the police in the first place. Did she not know who lived next door to her????

:haha:

Most of you know my feelings when it comes to something like this so I will sit quietly back and enjoy the banter. :salute:

But wasn't Mr. Gates house broken into within the last few weeks? If the neighbor didn't recognize him wasn't the neighbor only trying to protect his home? Just like the police officer was doing.

[1480]

But wasn't Mr. Gates house broken into within the last few weeks? If the neighbor didn't recognize him wasn't the neighbor only trying to protect his home? Just like the police officer was doing.

It was meant to be sarcastic CB, I just found it hilarious with the totality of the facts. The SCOTUS judges police officer's actions by the information they had to work with at the time of the incident. Knowing we do not possess a crystal ball, our actions are judged on whether they were reasonable within the framework of situation. Looking at it from that alone, there was nothing unreasonable in the sergeant's actions from the information he was working with.

[CastleBravo]

It was meant to be sarcastic CB, I just found it hilarious with the totality of the facts. The SCOTUS judges police officer's actions by the information they had to work with at the time of the incident. Knowing we do not possess a crystal ball, our actions are judged on whether they were reasonable within the framework of situation. Looking at it from that alone, there was nothing unreasonable in the sergeant's actions from the information he was working with.

OK, I get your point now. And we wouldn't even be talking about this if one man had just followed up his statement about not knowing all the facts, with a no comment.:damn:

Mr. Obama has jumped the shark?


The clever metaphor is used for the moment when something of cultural significance begins to lose its luster, and descends into lameness. It is a reference to the T.V. show “Happy Days,” specifically the episode when Fonzie water skied over shark infested waters.

[geetrue]

Just a rumor, but I heard Obama and Gates and the policeman have all agreed to have a beer together at the white house\with press corps close by I'm sure.

Gates first responce was, "I don't drink beer"

[CastleBravo]

Found this.... a teaching moment?

Some people just can't stop being victims. Big sigh!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090725/ts_nm/us_obama_race_scholar

[SteamWake]

Just a rumor, but I heard Obama and Gates and the policeman have all agreed to have a beer together at the white house\with press corps close by I'm sure.

Gates first responce was, "I don't drink beer"

:up::up::up:

[1480]

I still don't know why this is racial profiling..... Pulling a black driver in a white neighborhood, yes, that could be construed to be the case. I worked in a special unit when Obama introduced state legislation on racial profiling. Officers are required to do a traffic study card if the only reason for stopping someone was traffic related. The drivers info and what the officer believes the drivers race is entered on the card. My unit worked in neighborhoods where they were totally black or totally hispanic. Our stats were skewed so bad that we looked like the poster boys for profiling. If I pulled a white over in those neighborhoods, well..... you get point.

[SteamWake]

Woops hey yea.. that whole 'racisim' thing cant we just forget it?

Harvard (http://topics.breitbart.com/Harvard/) scholar (http://topics.breitbart.com/Harvard/)Henry Louis Gates Jr. (http://topics.breitbart.com/Henry+Louis+Gates+Jr/) says he is ready to move on from his arrest by a white police officer, hoping to use the encounter to improve fairness in the criminal justice system and saying "in the end, this is not about me at all."
(http://topics.breitbart.com/Harvard/)

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99LLQF00&show_article=1

By the way did you know the arresting officer was in charge of the racial sensativity training?

[Buddahaid]

More stupidity! Tonight everything in the news is stupid. I'm beginning to think everything Jessie Jackson gets steamed up about is nothing but a medium to get his name in the news once more. Ever hear the parable about the boy who cried wolf Jessie?

Buddahaid

[SUBMAN1]

CNN on the arrest - http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2009/07/26/nr.comrade.in.arms.cnn

[CastleBravo]

More stupidity! Tonight everything in the news is stupid. I'm beginning to think everything Jessie Jackson gets steamed up about is nothing but a medium to get his name in the news once more. Ever hear the parable about the boy who cried wolf Jessie?

Buddahaid

Since before calling, NYC himmie town, or saying obama needs to have his n#t$ cut off, Jackson has been a race baiter out for his own self.

[Thomen]

http://davegranlund.com/cartoons/wp-content/uploads/color-camb-cops-web.jpg

[Onkel Neal]

The real blame belongs to the white next door neighbor, who called the police in the first place. Did she not know who lived next door to her????

:haha:

Most of you know my feelings when it comes to something like this so I will sit quietly back and enjoy the banter. :salute:


Maybe she did not recognize him. I would be very happy to have her as a neighbor; she called the police when she thought her neigbor's house was being broken into.

Better than some neighbors, who might decide to go over, join the burglars, and loot the place.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/29/gates.arrest/ (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/29/gates.arrest/)



Whalen said she contacted police after an older woman with no cell phone told her she was worried that someone was trying to break into the house.

She said she was en route to lunch when the woman approached her.
"I thought: 'I'm the one with the cell phone. I should probably call'" police, she explained.