View Full Version : How does the nation pay for obama's health care plan?
GoldenRivet
07-22-09, 11:50 AM
the answer according to some government reps...
"We dont know"
http://www.wusa9.com/rss/local_article.aspx?storyid=88729 (play video in upper right)
and what do we the people think? according to some videos - Obama has not quite brainwashed everyone
"the plan will be paid for by the money it saves" indicates Rep. Russ Carnahan
well... the crowd's reaction? Laughter (apparently they know better): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9_43nJVyKA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Farchives%2F2009%2F0 7%2F21%2Fawesome-voters-laugh-out-loud-at-democrats-promise-that-obamacare-will-save-money%2F&feature=player_embedded
and what about the super ignorant Katherine Sebelius?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY5rPkgUybQ
she almost cant believe the jeers and boos :doh:
It is incredible how out of touch with the public these folks are. one attendee asks "If its such a great health plan, why doesn't congress have to be on it?"
ouch!
because congress wouldn't lower itself to our level of "care" - im betting they wouldnt have to pay into it either.
depending on the polling source you chose to look at, somewhere between 60 to 76% of Americans polled were against Obamas health care plan.
Obama and a fair number of congressional representatives are about to paint themselves into a political corner.
roman2440
07-22-09, 02:01 PM
Simple answer - through the arse. We will be paying for it through the arse for years and years to come (until someone gets the balls to pull the plug on the program).
SteamWake
07-22-09, 02:24 PM
"Tax the Rich" :damn:
GoldenRivet
07-22-09, 02:27 PM
even at 1.1 Trillion dollars taxing the rich aint gonna cut it :nope:
why should I have to pay for everyone's health care???
nonsense.
there goes the incentive to be wealthy and successful :shifty:
PeriscopeDepth
07-22-09, 02:31 PM
there goes the incentive to be wealthy and successful :shifty:
Altering tax structure would do little to redefine human nature IMO. You are always going to have people with a drive for success, and those without.
PD
GoldenRivet
07-22-09, 02:33 PM
true... but if someone is in Tax Bracket "A" and going that little bit further puts one into Tax Bracket "B" - they might just sit tight where they are.
personally i despise being forced by the government to pay for those individuals without the drive for success you spoke of
PeriscopeDepth
07-22-09, 02:41 PM
personally i despise being forced by the government to pay for those individuals without the drive for success you spoke of
Well, should a child in a public school have to meet a certain GPA to retain taxpayer support?
I think health care is one of those basic needs similar to education. Good health, like a good education, is necessary for the "pursuit of happiness" (economic success through a vocation of your choosing). I don't think the Obama plan is the way to go, but something needs to change.
PD
GoldenRivet
07-22-09, 02:44 PM
Well, should a child in a public school have to meet a certain GPA to retain taxpayer support?
probably :hmmm:
i like that idea - if he shows a lack of interest in school or a lack of ability in school he should be placed into a hands on training course to learn a special skill like welding or glass blowing etc.
true... but if someone is in Tax Bracket "A" and going that little bit further puts one into Tax Bracket "B" - they might just sit tight where they are.
I seriously doubt that.
I would rather have £20 at 25% tax than £10 at 0%.
The high-tax countries of Northern Europe can not be shown to be
suffering as a result.
They don't feed their cows less, they milk them more.
Max2147
07-22-09, 08:15 PM
So why don't high taxes, socialist programs, and single-payer health systems hold back European countries? The Scandinavian countries in particular have higher GDP (per capita) than we do, and their governments run surpluses.
FIREWALL
07-22-09, 08:26 PM
The simple math is the more people you have employed the more tax revenue you collect.
I could care less about education and health care.
Put America back to work and you can tax and pay for any hairbrained program and as long as people are properous they could care less.
...I could care less about...
...they could care less.
:damn::x:mad:
WHY?!
Why do so many Americans do this?
It drives me mad! MAD I tells ye!
http://www.orble.com/images/i-could-care-less.JPG
FIREWALL
07-22-09, 10:37 PM
@ letum When you want to quote me you, quote all my post.
Not just the parts that suit you and twist them.
We call it , takeing out of context.
I consider it baiting.
Lets see if the moderators or Neal agree. :hmmm:
What does the rest of your post have to do with grammar errors?
How can it be out of context? The entire content of the error lies within:
"I could care less about" and "they could care less."
If you 'could care less' the you do care to an extent that could be infinite.
Saying that removes all rhetorical meaning from what you are trying to say.
The idiom "couldn't care less", meaning "doesn't care at all"
(the meaning in full is "cares so little that he couldn't possibly
care less"), originated in Britain around 1940. "Could care less",
which is used with the same meaning, developed in the U.S. around
1960. We get disputes about whether the latter was originally a
mis-hearing of the former; whether it was originally ironic; or
whether it arose from uses where the negative element was separated
from "could" ("None of these writers could care less..."). Henry
Churchyard believes that this sentence by Jane Austen may be
pertinent: "You know nothing and you care less, as people say."
(Mansfield Park (1815), Chapter 29) Meaning-saving elaborations
have also been suggested: "As if I could care less!"; "I could care
less, but I'd have to try"; "If I cared even one iota -- which I
don't --, then I could care less."
Recently encountered has been "could give a damn", used in the
sense "couldn't give a damn".
An earlier transition in which "not" was dropped was the one that
gave us "but" in the sense of "only". "I will not say but one
word", where "but" meant "(anything) except", became "I will say but
one word."
Max2147
07-22-09, 11:08 PM
When you say the same words over again, you sometimes swallow some syllables. For example, I say "Milwaukee, Wisconsin" all the time, and it comes out "M'wakee, 'Sconsin." People said "couldn't care less" a lot, and they started swallowing the last syllable of "couldn't."
GoldenRivet
07-22-09, 11:13 PM
i just say "i dont give a *******" or " I dont give a rat's ass"
it really drives your point home.
especially when you yell it aloud in public
people take notice of the fact immediately and without question that "Hey... that guy just doenst give a sh*t"
:rock:
:har:
Tchocky
07-23-09, 03:16 AM
When you say the same words over again, you sometimes swallow some syllables. For example, I say "Milwaukee, Wisconsin" all the time, and it comes out "M'wakee, 'Sconsin." People said "couldn't care less" a lot, and they started swallowing the last syllable of "couldn't."
I remember listening to an anecdote that took place in N'yawlins, took me a while to figure out what was going on.
Melonfish
07-23-09, 03:57 AM
wait, you lot are whinging about having to pay for everyones healthcare?
welcome to the united kingdom...
granted you lot have a bigger population but surely that would work in your favour (i.e. you pay less)
How does the nation pay for obama's health care plan?
Look at de vid, the man himself explaining .
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/us/politics/23obama.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
Takeda Shingen
07-23-09, 08:11 AM
:damn::x:mad:
WHY?!
Why do so many Americans do this?
It drives me mad! MAD I tells ye!
Yet you use 'I tells ye' which is not present in any dialect of the English lexicon. If you are going to critique someone else's grammar, you had best be sure that yours is buttoned up.
Also, be advised that the sentence about the cows in one of your previous posts requires a semicolon, not a comma.
The "I tells ye" was a little tongue in cheek.
My grammar, is-far perfect: [and my spelling is worse - without my spell
checker}.
That said, there is a difference of magnitude between a normal grammar
mistake and the "I could care less" issue.
Imagine if "Gone with the wind" ended with "Frankly, my dear, I do give a
damn". It makes no sense!
SteamWake
07-23-09, 08:54 AM
Good lord another discussion breaks down into an english lesson :doh:
Takeda Shingen
07-23-09, 09:23 AM
The "I tells ye" was a little tongue in cheek.
My grammar, is-far perfect: [and my spelling is worse - without my spell
checker}.
That said, there is a difference of magnitude between a normal grammar
mistake and the "I could care less" issue.
Imagine if "Gone with the wind" ended with "Frankly, my dear, I do give a
damn". It makes no sense!
You're missing the point. It is considered poor 'netiquette' to critique one's forum grammar. Doing so is considered to be highly disrespectful.
You're missing the point. It is considered poor 'netiquette' to critique one's forum grammar. Doing so is considered to be highly disrespectful.
If you look hard enough you can find someone who objects to just about anything, so who (besides the forum owner) gets makes the rules as to what is disrespectful and what's not?
SteamWake
07-23-09, 11:43 AM
If you look hard enough you can find someone who objects to just about anything, so who (besides the forum owner) gets makes the rules as to what is disrespectful and what's not?
I object to this ! :rock: :rotfl:
GoldenRivet
07-23-09, 11:56 AM
How does the nation pay for obama's health care plan?
Look at de vid, the man himself explaining .
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/us/politics/23obama.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
so the liar in chief intends to tell me that I wont see ANY tax increases over this.
I also have some ocean front property in Arizona you might be interested in Mr. Fish
Takeda Shingen
07-23-09, 12:08 PM
If you look hard enough you can find someone who objects to just about anything, so who (besides the forum owner) gets makes the rules as to what is disrespectful and what's not?
It is cultural. This is, for the most part, an internet-wide folkway. I did not imply that disciplinary action was warranted, so I am not certain precisely what Neal has to do with any of this. It can be akin to calling someone ugly. You can't be arrested for it, but it is universally accepted as ungenerous behavior.
It is cultural. This is, for the most part, an internet-wide folkway. I did not imply that disciplinary action was warranted, so I am not certain precisely what Neal has to do with any of this. It can be akin to calling someone ugly. You can't be arrested for it, but it is universally accepted as ungenerous behavior.
Well my point is that is not as universally accepted as you claim it is. As for what Neal has to do with this, only that as the board owner he gets to decide what is or is not objectionable on his website. That does not imply, nor did I mention, anything about disciplinary action.
Takeda Shingen
07-23-09, 02:58 PM
Withdrawn
Sailor Steve
07-25-09, 12:42 PM
The "I tells ye" was a little tongue in cheek.
I got the joke. As for "I could care less", this might help:
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ico1.htm
It's like "gross", which in English originally paralleled the German and meant "great" or "large". At that time calling a person "gross" was simply another way of calling him obese. But since people were disgusted by the sight of an extrememly obese person, "gross" came to be synonymous with "disgusting", and English-speaking people commonly use it that way today.
Or take "great" itself. "Great" also originally meant large, but took the opposite tack from "gross" - it now is used to mean "very very good".
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