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CastleBravo
07-09-09, 12:15 AM
Mr. Obama is now putting his 11 y.o. daughter into play politically. Ultimateley, I don't think he will like the results. And I have to say, I don't think it appropriate.
Malia Obama, at right foreground with dark glasses and shorts, daughter of President Barack Obama, photographed in downtown Rome, Wednesday, July 8, 2009.
She wore a grey T-shirt to visit the Colosseum in Rome with mother Michelle and sister Sasha, seven, and then appeared to have whipped it off to reveal a mottled white and grey top bearing the CND logo.
The symbol, designed for the CND in 1958, is now widely used as to signify peace and is also an international sign for anti-war protesters.
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090708/capt.d3ba8492a6d849eda403daf46ac9985a.italy_obamas _gelato_xppc160.jpg?
Buddahaid
07-09-09, 12:54 AM
Is it he or she as a kid? Let's see what the media make of a peace symbol on the presidential kid. Yeah, I know about the Palin kids and the media, but do you really think this is the same type of show? Or is she just showing her colors? After all, this is not a election campaign now, and you can't dictate to foreign media. What is the photo's origin anyway? Still, I don't see how even the staunchest conservative can make hay out of this and look good. It's a no win either way. Find some dirt like high moral ground and a bastard grandchild and there's substance. Sorry to speak plainly there as you seem to be a Palin supporter and I'm not looking for a fight.
Buddahaid
CastleBravo
07-09-09, 01:14 AM
It is the exploitation of a child, by what even Helen Thomas calls a White House (read Barack Obama), which is over controlling of the press, and is illegal in all 50, not 57 states. This was no accident. It is the political equivilant of Michael Jackson hanging his new born child over the balcony.
The gratuitous MJ reference intended.
bookworm_020
07-09-09, 01:21 AM
AS I don't see her chanting "peace" at a media conference, I can hardly see it as her making a political comment. She wore it because she wanted to, not because she was making a political statement. If the media was there would anyone really care what an 11 year old was wearing??? Let her be a kid
CastleBravo
07-09-09, 01:27 AM
AS I don't see her chanting "peace" at a media conference, I can hardly see it as her making a political comment. She wore it because she wanted to, not because she was making a political statement. If the media was there would anyone really care what an 11 year old was wearing??? Let her be a kid
She wore a grey T-shirt to visit the Colosseum in Rome with mother Michelle and sister Sasha, seven, and then appeared to have whipped it off to reveal a mottled white and grey top bearing the CND logo.
MONROE, Michigan (CNN)
"Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics.
Until their parent, the President of the United Staes, for heaven sakes, drags them into the fray. Like I said exploitation.
XabbaRus
07-09-09, 03:25 AM
Well I think you are using a facts to fit the theory here. I see plenty of kids her age over here wearing clothing with that symbol on and I'm willing to bet that most haven't a clue what it signifies. I'm willing to bet Malia doesn't really know and if she does, she doesn't care. To her the t-shirt is just cool.
Seriously the symbol like many others has been hijacked by the fashion industry. I really think saying that Malia is wearing a CND T-shirt at her fathers behest is taking it a bit far.
Tribesman
07-09-09, 03:52 AM
It is the exploitation of a child,
wow
It is the political equivilant of Michael Jackson hanging his new born child over the balcony.
Has the furore over Palin made you temporarily insane?
goldorak
07-09-09, 04:02 AM
Frankly WHO CARES what t-shirt a 10 year old wears.
Its not an endorsement of Obama senior policy so what ?
The media will do anything to create a case out of thin air if necessary, idiots. :shucks:
Fincuan
07-09-09, 05:56 AM
The media will do anything to create a case out of thin air if necessary, idiots. :shucks:
And similar people who see it fitting in their agenda give it a spin here and elsewhere, and the circus is ready :D Nothing new under the sun...
Takeda Shingen
07-09-09, 07:23 AM
Well I think you are using a facts to fit the theory here. I see plenty of kids her age over here wearing clothing with that symbol on and I'm willing to bet that most haven't a clue what it signifies. I'm willing to bet Malia doesn't really know and if she does, she doesn't care. To her the t-shirt is just cool.
Seriously the symbol like many others has been hijacked by the fashion industry. I really think saying that Malia is wearing a CND T-shirt at her fathers behest is taking it a bit far.
Agreed. There's an entire line of clothing that uses this symbol. Besides, the children where put into the fray at the Democratic National Convention when they appeared on stage and addressed their father via a teleconference on the jumbo-tron. The outfit is meaningless.
To paraphrase Dr. Freud, sometimes a shirt is just a shirt.
SteamWake
07-09-09, 08:02 AM
Agreed. There's an entire line of clothing that uses this symbol. Besides, the children where put into the fray at the Democratic National Convention when they appeared on stage and addressed their father via a teleconference on the jumbo-tron. The outfit is meaningless.
To paraphrase Dr. Freud, sometimes a shirt is just a shirt.
Wow cool a peace sign, how retro :|\\
Just dont take her to a ball game :rotfl:
AVGWarhawk
07-09-09, 08:05 AM
To her the t-shirt is just cool.
In a nutshell, yep, she thinks it is cool. :03: Kids for you. But, maybe mom should have thought about this shirt in particular. I would suspect shirts without any pictures, slogons or logos were be more appropriate for the presidentual family. Whether you agree or not, the entire family abroad are embassadors of the US.
Onkel Neal
07-09-09, 08:08 AM
Until their parent, the President of the United Staes, for heaven sakes, drags them into the fray. Like I said exploitation.
Ax grinding done free here at Subsim.
mookiemookie
07-09-09, 08:12 AM
Christ on a bicycle, you people are wacky. Go to any mall in America and count the number of kids you see with peace sign necklaces or bracelets or shirts, etc.
Are you really that bitter and petty that you have to latch on to the smallest tidbit of anything to criticize the guy? It takes a mental leap of incredible proportions to say that his daughter was wearing a peace sign on her shirt and therefore he's using her as a pawn in his secret Muslim Kenyan takeover of America.
Good lord. What's next? Calling him out because he smiled while watching fireworks because they remind him of his mujahideen brother's roadside bombs in Iraq?
antikristuseke
07-09-09, 08:24 AM
Don't give them ideas!
AVGWarhawk
07-09-09, 08:39 AM
Christ on a bicycle, you people are wacky. Go to any mall in America and count the number of kids you see with peace sign necklaces or bracelets or shirts, etc.
Problem is, she is in Rome.:hmmm:
antikristuseke
07-09-09, 08:40 AM
I fail to see the relevance of that.
SteamWake
07-09-09, 08:51 AM
I fail to see the relevance of that.
at the G8 summit you know that whole disarmament / global warming / global economy thing?
So yea it has some relevance. Personally I find it was a poor choice and more than likely not some T shirt chosen at random with no consideration of its 'message'.
Skybird
07-09-09, 09:00 AM
I had two cups of coffee this morning, but the butter was out. Usually it is just one coffee for me. I forgot to sweeten the second while being in the kitchen, so after I returned to the living room, I had to go back to the kitchen for the sweeter. After reading this important news, I was so shocked that I ran into the kitchen again and brewed my third coffee of this day, can you believe it. I took the sweeter in the left hand and the coffee in the right, and then spend two pills into the cup. I think usually the pills dissolves faster than today, but maybe that is just me.
What is your experience with sweeter pills dissolving in hot coffee? I personally prefer them to dissolve fast. But not too fast. It depends, you know.
mookiemookie
07-09-09, 09:02 AM
Problem is, she is in Rome.:hmmm:
Still an American kid wearing typical American kid's clothes. Even if you want to go down the rabbit hole of insane right wing mental gymnastics and say it was a political message...well, so what? Wishing for peace is a pretty noble ideal. It's not like she's out there with a swastika on or singing "bomb bomb bomb Iran"
Task Force
07-09-09, 09:11 AM
Still an American kid wearing typical American kid's clothes. Even if you want to go down the rabbit hole of insane right wing mental gymnastics and say it was a political message...well, so what? Wishing for peace is a pretty noble ideal. It's not like she's out there with a swastika on or singing "bomb bomb bomb Iran"
Yea... shes not doing anything rong... like mookie said, its a peace sign, not something supporting violence.
AVGWarhawk
07-09-09, 09:13 AM
Still an American kid wearing typical American kid's clothes. Even if you want to go down the rabbit hole of insane right wing mental gymnastics and say it was a political message...well, so what? Wishing for peace is a pretty noble ideal. It's not like she's out there with a swastika on or singing "bomb bomb bomb Iran"
Testy testy! Sometimes wearing typical American cloths abroad with signs melted into the fabric is not always the best idea. No matter what the sign is. Again, whether they like it or not, the entire family are embassadors of the US. BTW, your swastika reference is just silly.
Before anyone goes down the insane left wing mental gymnast route perhaps just seeing everything as OK is not the best view to take abroad. BTW, the peace sign is a political message. Ever see protesters here in the states during he 60's and 70's? You know, free love and drugs.
SteamWake
07-09-09, 09:17 AM
I had two cups of coffee this morning, but the butter was out. Usually it is just one coffee for me. I forgot to sweeten the second while being in the kitchen, so after I returned to the living room, I had to go back to the kitchen for the sweeter. After reading this important news, I was so shocked that I ran into the kitchen again and brewed my third coffee of this day, can you believe it. I took the sweeter in the left hand and the coffee in the right, and then spend two pills into the cup. I think usually the pills dissolves faster than today, but maybe that is just me.
What is your experience with sweeter pills dissolving in hot coffee? I personally prefer them to dissolve fast. But not too fast. It depends, you know.
:rotfl:
Take it to twitter :har:
AVGWarhawk
07-09-09, 09:18 AM
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/03/19/ba_protest033.jpg
mookiemookie
07-09-09, 09:28 AM
BTW, the peace sign is a political message. Ever see protesters here in the states during he 60's and 70's? You know, free love and drugs.
And you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who disagreed with that message. It's even a stated goal of the UN. Count how many times the word "peace" is mentioned in Article 1 of the UN Charter:
CHAPTER I: PURPOSES AND PRINCIPLES
Article 1
The Purposes of the United Nations are:
To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
So it's not a very controversial message. I think the OP is making a mountain out of a molehill. Or a grain of sand in a molehill.
AVGWarhawk
07-09-09, 09:31 AM
So it's not a very controversial message. I think the OP is making a mountain out of a molehill. Or a grain of sand in a molehill.
I agree.
Takeda Shingen
07-09-09, 09:38 AM
Wow cool a peace sign, how retro :|\\
Just dont take her to a ball game :rotfl:
Or, just don't make your children part of your political brand. Both could learn from this.
CastleBravo
07-09-09, 09:45 AM
Or, just don't make your children part of your political brand.
That's been my point from the beginning.
AVGWarhawk
07-09-09, 09:56 AM
Or, just don't make your children part of your political brand. Both could learn from this.
:03:
OneToughHerring
07-09-09, 11:07 AM
I had two cups of coffee this morning, but the butter was out. Usually it is just one coffee for me. I forgot to sweeten the second while being in the kitchen, so after I returned to the living room, I had to go back to the kitchen for the sweeter. After reading this important news, I was so shocked that I ran into the kitchen again and brewed my third coffee of this day, can you believe it. I took the sweeter in the left hand and the coffee in the right, and then spend two pills into the cup. I think usually the pills dissolves faster than today, but maybe that is just me.
What is your experience with sweeter pills dissolving in hot coffee? I personally prefer them to dissolve fast. But not too fast. It depends, you know.
Btw, I use German sweeteners for my coffee. I got them from Lidl. :up:
Aramike
07-09-09, 01:02 PM
Personally, I'm in the camp that the kid just thought the shirt was cool.
However, the Obama's handlers should take care to assure that the First Familiy doesn't "hippy-fy" the office.
Sailor Steve
07-09-09, 01:06 PM
Ever see protesters here in the states during he 60's and 70's? You know, free love and drugs.
Is there a problem with that?
Wait, what would happen if she wore a Che Guevara shirt? Geez, lighten up.
AVGWarhawk
07-09-09, 02:21 PM
Like one of Obama's Campaign offices:
http://www.wauseon.com/images/obama-che.jpg
The association has already been made:
http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/che-obama.jpg
She needed to wear a different shirt. :D
Skybird
07-09-09, 04:40 PM
Motto of the summit: "We can camp".
:D
CastleBravo
07-09-09, 05:05 PM
Motto of the summit: "We can camp".
:D
The political class doesn't camp. They make the rest of us camp. I know where they are meeting was devastated by eath quakes recently, but they aren't staying there. It is a useful place to discourage protests. Certainly you remember how it was in Germany a couple/few years back when all the infrastructure was in place.
Onkel Neal
07-09-09, 05:35 PM
I'm sure getting a Waste-gate vibe from some people here...:hmmm:
nikimcbee
07-09-09, 05:40 PM
Christ on a bicycle, you people are wacky. ?
what you mean like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXwO0syX5h4
mookiemookie
07-09-09, 06:09 PM
what you mean like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXwO0syX5h4
:rotfl::har::haha:
MothBalls
07-10-09, 07:40 PM
I had two cups of coffee this morning, but the butter was out. Usually it is just one coffee for me. I forgot to sweeten the second while being in the kitchen, so after I returned to the living room, I had to go back to the kitchen for the sweeter. After reading this important news, I was so shocked that I ran into the kitchen again and brewed my third coffee of this day, can you believe it. I took the sweeter in the left hand and the coffee in the right, and then spend two pills into the cup. I think usually the pills dissolves faster than today, but maybe that is just me.
What is your experience with sweeter pills dissolving in hot coffee? I personally prefer them to dissolve fast. But not too fast. It depends, you know.
Wow, the exact same thing happened to me. I wonder if it's related, or if it was caused by an eleven year olds' tee shirt in Rome. Strange happenings lately.
antikristuseke
07-10-09, 08:13 PM
Wow, the exact same thing happened to me. I wonder if it's related, or if it was caused by an eleven year olds' tee shirt in Rome. Strange happenings lately.
since we are now firmly in the territory of bat**** insanity(I realize you are kidding), lets take it a few lighyears further http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUTXXUIA0k
CaptainHaplo
07-11-09, 11:51 AM
Hey, I am not an Obama fan - but look - if the kid wants to wear that shirt - thats a right to free expression that they have by being FROM this country.
Sure, I see where some could stretch it into some political message, but this is a common symbol among the younger generation - chalk it up and let it go.
Now - when she wears a t-shirt with a medical cross and a slogan of "its a right of ALL people" - then an uproar will be called for, because that will be a direct POLITICAL message aimed at the world without any plausible deniability. This - is just bad judgement on the part of a kid who doesn't realize how people look at her. Let it go.
Oh for crying out loud (:wah:)! Next you see her wearing white shoes and say she's really an white supremacists! IT'S JUST A SHIRT!! And like someone already pointed out, there's tons of shirts and clothing lines with the peace symbol in it and it has been popular with youth for ages. Not because of it's message, but because they think it's a nice symbol.
A symbol of peace gets 3 PAGES of posts?!?!
I'm impressed!:yeah:
Torplexed
07-11-09, 12:34 PM
I think it's her subtle and abstract expression of support for strategic bombing. :zzz:
http://piedtype.files.wordpress.com/peacebomber150.jpg
CastleBravo
07-12-09, 03:57 PM
Oh for crying out loud (:wah:)! Next you see her wearing white shoes and say she's really an white supremacists! IT'S JUST A SHIRT!! And like someone already pointed out, there's tons of shirts and clothing lines with the peace symbol in it and it has been popular with youth for ages. Not because of it's message, but because they think it's a nice symbol.
This was never about the youngster. It was about how Mr. Obama is using her for political gain in Europe and beyond. No shame.
This was never about the youngster. It was about how Mr. Obama is using her for political gain in Europe and beyond. No shame.
Umm.. o..k.. :doh:
CastleBravo
07-12-09, 04:16 PM
Umm.. o..k.. :doh:
Show me where I attacked the girl. I don't even remember her name.
I was consitant in attacking Mr. Obama for using her as a pawn in his political game. Have a cigarette and get back to me.
Show me where I attacked the girl. I don't even remember her name.
a) I didnt say someone attacked her
b) I said nothing about you
;)
CastleBravo
07-12-09, 04:26 PM
a) I didnt say someone attacked her
b) I said nothing about you
;)
So your comment was political only, and baseless materially.
mookiemookie
07-12-09, 04:26 PM
I was consitant in attacking Mr. Obama for using her as a pawn in his political game. Have a cigarette and get back to me.
And this is what makes the right wing so loony. The girl wears a shirt with a peace sign on it and all of a sudden it's like Obama's got puppet strings attached to her. The mental gynastics to get to that conclusion given the facts are astounding.
And this is what makes the right wing so loony. The girl wears a shirt with a peace sign on it and all of a sudden it's like Obama's got puppet strings attached to her. The mental gynastics to get to that conclusion given the facts are astounding.
So, the left is not so loony? :03:
Edit: Seriously, she is kid. That is cool, but as it was said before: They are ambassadors for the US. Atleat some thought should be paid to what to wear and the implications that might arise. *shrug*
antikristuseke
07-12-09, 04:30 PM
Both extremes are ****ing insane
But I agree with mookie here, the mental gymnastics required to get to this conclusion are monumental.
Both extremes are ****ing insane
That sums it up pretty well. ;)
Fincuan
07-12-09, 04:37 PM
But I agree with mookie here, the mental gymnastics required to get to this conclusion are monumental.
They are if you think logically, but properly colored glasses can make it a whole lot easier.
CastleBravo
07-12-09, 04:38 PM
And this is what makes the right wing so loony. The girl wears a shirt with a peace sign on it and all of a sudden it's like Obama's got puppet strings attached to her. The mental gynastics to get to that conclusion given the facts are astounding.
11 yo are always, always under the control of their parents. As ambassadors for the US the Obama's have not only the right but the duty to portray the US in a positive way. That Mr. Obama has been on a slam the US tour since 20 Jan 09, only reenforces the idea of my point about using one's progeny for political gain.
Europeans may not see it, but a vast number of Americans do see it.
Tribesman
07-12-09, 05:32 PM
11 yo are always, always under the control of their parents.
You don't have children do you
CastleBravo
07-12-09, 05:51 PM
You don't have children do you
If you don't physically, you do legally. And any civil liability falls upn the parents.
It is Mr. Obama at fault for bringing his children into the mix..
antikristuseke
07-12-09, 06:49 PM
so Obamas kid wearing a thisrt with a peace sign on it is somehow obama using his ki to garner political power?
Are you ****ing serious?
Shearwater
07-13-09, 06:35 AM
They are ambassadors for the US.
They are his family, whether they want it or not, and aren't there in any official function. Therefore it's stretching the point awfully far to call his daugher an "ambassador".
This is my first, and last, post in this thread. The whole thing has been blown up beyond any proportion (3 pages of vitriolic controversy over a T-Shirt with a peace sign on it. Food for thought).
Schroeder
07-13-09, 08:17 AM
She should have worn a t-shirt with a mushroom cloud instead. Would have made a lot of people here happy.
Biggles
07-13-09, 08:28 AM
Maybe Ms. Obama just wants peace on earth? I know I'd like that.
mookiemookie
07-13-09, 08:30 AM
Maybe Ms. Obama just wants peace on earth? I know I'd like that.
HOW DARE HER! That's a political message and THAT'S BAD BAD BAD! :roll:
Biggles
07-13-09, 08:33 AM
HOW DARE HER! That's a political message and THAT'S BAD BAD BAD! :roll:
:rotfl::rotfl:
Well, it's a message at the very least. Political? I dunno, maybe if she said that we'd have to do X or Y to create peace on earth.
In any case, this has become much bigger than it should be, by far.
SteamWake
07-13-09, 10:19 AM
A California mom says her public school administrators violated her daughter's First Amendment rights when they ordered the seventh-grader to take off her pro-life T-shirt.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530284,00.html?mep
Biggles
07-13-09, 01:26 PM
Hm, now that is worse...girl should be allowed to wear the shirt if it's her own political view, right?
SteamWake
07-13-09, 01:37 PM
Hm, now that is worse...girl should be allowed to wear the shirt if it's her own political view, right?
Just pointing out the hypocrisy is all :up:
mookiemookie
07-13-09, 01:38 PM
Just pointing out the hypocrisy is all :up:
Not a very good analogy. World peace is not a controversial political idea. Abortion is.
SteamWake
07-13-09, 01:40 PM
Not a very good analogy. World peace is not a controversial political idea. Abortion is.
World peace is not a political idea :hmmm:
Biggles
07-13-09, 01:42 PM
Not a very good analogy. World peace is not a controversial political idea. Abortion is.
Good point. You might be called naïve to believe in world peace, but certainly not for praying about it.
Takeda Shingen
07-13-09, 02:02 PM
World peace is not a political idea :hmmm:
If war is a poltical continuance, then it would stand to reason that it's antithesis, peace, would be one as well. That would only be logical.
geetrue
07-13-09, 03:23 PM
If war is a poltical continuance, then it would stand to reason that it's antithesis, peace, would be one as well. That would only be logical.
Poltical continuance equals = men making decisions for us ... decisions we can agree or disagree with, right?
Vietnam war comes to mind :yep:
mookiemookie
07-13-09, 03:33 PM
World peace is not a political idea :hmmm:
If that's true, then a shirt with a peace symbol isn't expressing a political idea and so Obama isn't using his daughter as a political puppet as the OP claimed.
Biggles
07-13-09, 03:46 PM
I honestly think it's hilarious that people would see it as that. Why would Obama need to make his daughter to be the poster of his world peace intentions? If I was a politician with such influence as Obama, then I'd preach for peace, and I think few would condemn me for it. Since when is it shameful to wish for peace?
Takeda Shingen
07-13-09, 04:13 PM
Poltical continuance equals = men making decisions for us ... decisions we can agree or disagree with, right?
I think here it is that we come to the nature of the beast. Politics is the system of discourse that the few utilize to manage the many.
Stealth Hunter
07-13-09, 05:21 PM
World peace is not a political idea :hmmm:
You forgot the "controversial" part.:03:
And as far as all this is concerned, it's just mountains made from molehills.
Tribesman
07-13-09, 05:42 PM
Just pointing out the hypocrisy is all
If that story was pointing out the hypocrisy then you should be able to relate the two events with some relevence.
Since the only possible link is that they both involved t-shirts it is a rubbish attempt.
VipertheSniper
07-13-09, 07:10 PM
I know I shouldn't do this as I'm only hindering the thread to slip down the first page, BUT: This is still going on? Not that it isn't amusing to read, but really as Stealth Hunter said: mountains out of molehills.
Buddahaid
07-13-09, 07:21 PM
All this discussion brings the question to mind of what should she wear that's OK? A suit, cloths with no writing or recognizable brands, a burqa? I'd be more offended by a smiley face than a peace sign. Peace is a noble goal at least! Too bad humanity isn't up to the task yet, but peace is way harder than war.
Buddahaid
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