Palin quits

[Skybird]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/03/palin/index.html

Bush gone, Palin gone - whom we gonna laugh about now?

[Tribesman]

whom we gonna laugh about now?
Franken , Stein.

[mr chris]

Sounds like another 4 years for Obama, if she wins the Republican nomination for the next election.

[Buddahaid]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/03/palin/index.html

Bush gone, Palin gone - whom we gonna laugh about now?

Give it a day or two, something always turns up. Oh wait, Manny Ramirez.

Buddahaid

[Skybird]

If she wins the Republican nomination for the next election.

No alien life form in the White House! :haha:

[Thomen]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/03/palin/index.html

Bush gone, Palin gone - whom we gonna laugh about now?

You? :03:

I am sure she had her reasons, not that it really matters, tho.

[SteamWake]

Cant really say that I blame her.

[Skybird]

You? :03:


But first you must make me your president, at least candidate! :DL

But then you will not have much to laugh about anymore.

Promised. :arrgh!:

[Thomen]

But first you must make me your president, at least candidate! :DL

But then you will not have much to laugh about anymore.

Promised. :arrgh!:

Sure, but problem is, I don't have a president. You can be chancellor, tho. :up:

[UnderseaLcpl]

But first you must make me your president, at least candidate! :DL

But then you will not have much to laugh about anymore.

Promised. :arrgh!:

Yeah, I'll bet.

Thisd reminds me of the old joke about the Soviet who emigrated to the U.S. He walks into the immigration office, and the official begins processing his application for admission.
Out of curiosity, the official asks the man "How was life in the Soviet Union?"
To this, the man replies "I could not complain"
More interested now, the official asks "How was work in the USSR?"
Again, the man replies "I could not complain"
Even more interested, the offical asks "What was wrong with the Soviet Union?"
Yet again, the man replies "I could not complain"
Finally, the official asks "Why did you even bother to leave the Soviet Union if everything was so great!?"
To this, the man replies "Aha! Here I can complain!"

[CastleBravo]

She's had it with the lies, insults, and baseless accusations from the left. I can't say I blame her for putting her family before the junk. She doesn't have the left's political class mentality.

[Onkel Neal]

If that's the case, she better forget about running in 2012. As far as I'm concerned, she just shot her political foot off.

[CastleBravo]

If that's the case, she better forget out running in 2012.

I think she has and won't look back. She is an American hero because she knows what is important.

Does anyone know how hard it is to give-up the highest elected office in a state for something else?

This woman knows whats right and wrong.

[Torplexed]

I'm betting she runs for congress in 2010, both the house and senate are up for Alaska. I think her goal in quitting now is to be able to hit the pre-campaign trail, start raising money, write a book, do the sideshow circuit, all without being accused of neglecting the Governor's office.

[Buddahaid]

She's had it with the lies, insults, and baseless accusations from the left. I can't say I blame her for putting her family before the junk. She doesn't have the left's political class mentality.

Ack! I've had it with the lies, insults, and baseless accusations from the left AND right. I never liked her, but I don't like witch hunts either.

Politicians are a breed apart and she's shown she's not up to the job, but I also don't blame her as it's pretty dog eat dog. I can actually respect her some now. :o

Buddahaid

Sheesh, that's almost a lyric.

[CastleBravo]

She's shown she doesn't want the job. Not that she isn't up to it.

By her own words, if you listened to her, God, familiy, country, state.

What isn't to like?

[AngusJS]

Look at the timing of the announcement - on a Friday afternoon before a holiday weekend in a news-filled week. Is she trying to make as few waves as possible because of some scandal we don't know about?

Pure speculation, but what she's done and said doesn't make much sense.

Not that she's ever been known for clear thinking. :DL

[CastleBravo]

Look at the timing of the announcement - on a Friday afternoon before a holiday weekend in a news-filled week. Is she trying to make as few waves as possible because of some scandal we don't know about?

Pure speculation, but what she's done and said doesn't make much sense.

Not that she's ever been known for clear thinking. :DL

And look at the time our Democratic lead congress passes thier bills much after close of business on fridays... that is a poor argument.

[Tribesman]

So what is the embezzlement story involving the Wassila sports complex and Palin ?
Upcoming Federal indictments maybe?

[bookworm_020]

Well at least her impersonator can take a break for awhile!

[Skybird]

I read the budget has become tight in the state of Alaska. Maybe she runs while there still is time.

[Max2147]

She's had it with the lies, insults, and baseless accusations from the left. I can't say I blame her for putting her family before the junk. She doesn't have the left's political class mentality.
My Alaskan relatives would laugh their tails off if they saw this. She's a vindictive shark, even by the vicious standards of politics. People who work for the state or need a state license to work are afraid to criticize her because they're afraid that she or one of her minions will fire them.

What does this resignation mean? I don't know, but the sooner she's gone the better. She's the Pauline Hanson of American politics.

[Takeda Shingen]

Oh, that wacky Sarah Palin.

I don't think that you'll see her run for public office again, because it really won't be an option. All her opponent would have to do is ask her if she plans to walk off the job again if things get tough. If she leaves for her family, then that is something else, but I don't think this is the case. After all, she may be folksy, a woman, attractive, a mother and charistmatic, but she's still a politician. Not a very good one, but a politician none-the-less.

[SteamWake]

My Alaskan relatives would laugh their tails off if they saw this. She's a vindictive shark, even by the vicious standards of politics. People who work for the state or need a state license to work are afraid to criticize her because they're afraid that she or one of her minions will fire them.

What does this resignation mean? I don't know, but the sooner she's gone the better. She's the Pauline Hanson of American politics.

LOL and she and her family were treated with kid gloves :doh:

Ive never heard Ms Palin described in this manner. It may be true but its the first I have heard of it.

From what I understand Ms Palin is going to campaign for conservative values, whatever that means.

[Max2147]

LOL and she and her family were treated with kid gloves :doh:
Oh, I'm not denying that she had some cr*p thrown at her. I was just trying to point out that she's not some innocent martyr "American hero" who was slayed by the evil lefties, as CastleBravo was implying. She was vicious - indeed, that's one of the main reasons she was popular. It wasn't the left that called her a pitbull.

[AVGWarhawk]

I would go with what Torplexed believe she will do.

[CaptainHaplo]

This move actually makes ALOT of sense if she intends to return to politics.

She has a lot of legal bills from the trash that has tried to smear her, so getting out of the office to go do some speeches and such will solve that. Kind of like Bill Clinton does. Now, once the bills are paid, then its money in the bank - to start a campaign with. Being away from public office, but speaking, lets her focus and communicate her views, without the widespread media attention. She can create her grass roots movements, get a platform established, then be "dragged" into running out of a sense of service. This move actually looks like some prep for 2012.

Oh - for those that want to make fun of her - she sure made the current VP look like a moron in their debate - so you might want to be careful what you throw.

As for her being a pitbull and tough - the woman won the governorship of Alaska - you don't win something like that unless your tough as nails and sharp as glass. Funny how people deride her, yet she has been successful in many ways.

And please- ask her why she "left office' early if she runs again. She actually answered that at length when she announced her decision to not run again - but of course all some here is "blah blah blah" because they already have an opinion based on preconception. Pity.

[Buddahaid]

She's shown she doesn't want the job. Not that she isn't up to it.

By her own words, if you listened to her, God, familiy, country, state.

What isn't to like?

What's not to like is as personal as one's own political views. About not being up to the job, refers to quitting when the going gets tough. That is not a good presidential quality.

As for congress in 2010? Sounds like a reasonable prediction.

As for conservative values? I'll start a new thread.

Buddahaid

[AngusJS]

Oh - for those that want to make fun of her - she sure made the current VP look like a moron in their debate - so you might want to be careful what you throw.You must have watched a different debate. The one I saw was a draw, which IIRC, was the general consensus. That, or a personal win for Palin for managing to prevent another disaster after those interviews, where she showed herself to be a moron.

[CastleBravo]

After this what would you do?


Notable Quotables Flashback: Ten Months of Media Scorn for Sarah Palin By Rich Noyes Created 2009-07-04 11:23 In announcing that she was stepping down as Alaska Governor on Friday, Sarah Palin noted the unrelenting hostility of liberal media elites. In the barely ten months since she burst onto the national scene, Palin has been scorned and mocked by journalists -- including many supposedly objective reporters -- like few other politicians. Here are a few of the choicer attacks, as compiled from MRC's Notable Quotables [1] newsletter:

"She is a far-right conservative who supported Pat Buchanan over George W. Bush in 2000. She thinks global warming is a hoax and backs the teaching of creationism in public schools. Women are not likely to be impressed by her opposition to abortion even in the case of rape and incest." — Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter in a "Web exclusive" posted on his magazine’s Web site, August 29, 2008.

"[McCain has] done it [picked Sarah Palin] at great cost, because the whole Republican convention...was going to be the slogan, ‘He’s not ready to lead,’ meaning Barack Obama. Well, Sarah Palin makes Barack Obama look like John Adams. I mean, it’s just, it’s no contest." — Newsweek’s Howard Fineman on MSNBC’s Countdown, August 29.

Newsweek’s Eleanor Clift: "This [McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin] is not a serious choice. It makes it look like a made for TV movie. If the media reaction is anything, it’s been literally laughter in many places across news-" Host John McLaughlin: "Where is that? See that?" Clift: "In very, very many newsrooms." — Exchange on The McLaughlin Group, August 31, 2008.

"I’m not that convinced that that’s her baby....The daughter — who we know is fertile because she’s knocked up again, or maybe for the first time...she did like take a five-month leave from high school because she had [uses fingers to indicate quote marks] ‘mononucleosis’ right around the time the baby was being born. And the mother, the so-called, you know, okay, maybe it is the mother, but, you know, she was back to work three days later. You don’t smell something?...It’s not like they’re not willing to lie about everything else." — HBO’s Bill Maher on Real Time, September 5, 2008, promoting the left-wing conspiracy theory that Sarah Palin’s infant son is actually her daughter Bristol’s baby.

"If [Bobby] Jindal had been governor of Louisiana in 2005 [during Hurricane Katrina], everything would have been different, and he would be John McCain’s running mate instead of this wacko right-winger." — Co-host Mort Kondracke talking about Sarah Palin on FNC’s The Beltway Boys, September 6, 2008.

"Before Gov. Sarah Palin came flying in from the wilds of Alaska for the Republican convention in St. Paul, there was a lot of s******ing in media rooms and satellite trucks about her beauty queen looks and rustic hobbies, and the suggestion that she was better suited to be a calendar model for a local auto body shop than a holder of the second-highest office in the land....In the press galleries at the convention, journalists wrinkled their noses in disgust when Piper, Ms. Palin’s youngest daughter, was filmed kitty-licking her baby brother’s hair into place." — New York Times media writer David Carr, September 7, 2008.

"You know, the one thing that I don’t think anybody’s said yet is that she’s very mean to animals, this woman. Why does she have it in for these poor polar bear and the caribou and she aerial kills wolves? That’s a very mean thing to do. I think that that’s an important point." — ABC The View co-host Joy Behar explaining her opposition to Sarah Palin, CNN’s Larry King Live, September 9, 2008.

"Is this a, like a Clarence Thomas where they wanted to pick an African-American for the Supreme Court so they picked the kind they wanted?...They have a person [Palin] here, who’s apparently, to some extent, in terms of foreign policy, tabula rasa. Someone they can fill up with all this neo-conservative thinking....Is that what they wanted, just sort of a vessel to sell and carry their product, rather than someone with independent thinking on foreign policy?" — MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on Hardball, September 16, 2008.

CNN’s Jack Cafferty: "If John McCain wins, this woman will be one 72-year-old’s heartbeat away from being President of the United States. And if that doesn’t scare the hell out of you, it should....That [Sarah Palin’s interview with Katie Couric] is one of the most pathetic pieces of tape I have ever seen for someone aspiring to one of the highest offices in this country. That’s all I have to say." Wolf Blitzer: "She’s cramming a lot of information." Cafferty: "There’s no excuse for that. She’s supposed to know a little bit of this. You know, don’t make excuses for her. That’s pathetic." — CNN’s The Situation Room, September 26, 2008.

"Is this [vice presidential debate] about her brain power?... Do you think cute will beat brains?...Do you think she’d do better on the questions on Jeopardy or the interview they do during a half-time?...My suspicion is that she has the same lack of intellectual curiosity that the President of the United States has right now and that is scary!" — MSNBC’s Chris Matthews during the 7pm EDT Hardball on October 2, 2008 a couple of hours before the debate.

"Here’s what’s disturbing: Either she didn’t know, because actually the legislative role [of the Vice President] is just about zero as Biden says, or -- scarier -- she has a little bit of Huey Long in her. The kind of -- you could see her being a demagogue, saying ‘I got to do this, the rules are in the way, to heck with the rules, let’s do it.’" — Newsweek’s Evan Thomas reacting to Palin suggesting at the debate that a vice president has a legislative role, on Inside Washington, October 3, 2008.

"Can we now admit the obvious? Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified to be vice president…She has never spent a day thinking about any important national or international issue, and this is a hell of a time to start....For John McCain to have chosen this person to be his running mate is fundamentally irresponsible." — Newsweek international editor and CNN host Fareed Zakaria in his Oct. 6, 2008 column

"Palin Is Ready? Please."
"The fact of the matter is, the comparison between her [Sarah Palin] and Hillary Clinton is the comparison between an igloo and the Empire State Building!" — MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on Hardball, October 14, 2008.

Reporter David Wright: "Last summer, McCain mocked Obama as an empty-headed celebrity....But then he created a celebrity of his own." Clip of John McCain: "When you get to know her, you’re going to be as impressed as I am." Wright: "Many were impressed, but plenty of others came to see Sarah Palin as an empty designer suit." — ABC’s World News, November 5, 2008.

“Sarah Palin: Ill-informed, inarticulate shopaholic has ego bigger than Alaska — and she’s still the darling of the GOP.” — From Newsweek's “Conventional Wisdom” column, December 29, 2008-January 5, 2009 issue.

“Sarah Palin — now don’t laugh — is writing a book. Not just reading a book, writing a book. Actually, in the word of the publisher, she’s ‘collaborating’ on a book....What an embarrassment! It’s one of these ‘I told you,’ books that jocks do. You know she’s already declared — I mean, why they do it like this? ‘She can’t write, we got a collaborator for her.’” — MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on Hardball, May 13, 2009.

“Here’s the question: Would you rather listen to a speech by Sarah Palin or a speech by Newt Gingrich...or would you rather just stick needles in your eyes?” — CNN’s Jack Cafferty on The Situation Room, June 9, 2009.

Ex-MSNBC anchor Dan Abrams: “Sarah Palin, to me, is like the representative of everything that’s gone wrong [for the Republican Party] lately.”... Comedian Chuck Nice: “Sarah Palin to the GOP, this is what I’ve got to say: She is very much like herpes — she’s not going away. Okay? That’s it.” — Exchange on NBC’s Today, June 9, 2009.

[Platapus]

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

I hope Ms Palin can find something she can handle while at the same time handling the issues with her family.

[Torplexed]

At least I can look forward to her fanbase getting warmed up, don'tcha know! :)

http://pyxis.homestead.com/palin_tshirt.jpg

[Takeda Shingen]

And please- ask her why she "left office' early if she runs again. She actually answered that at length when she announced her decision to not run again -

She is not simply declining to run again. She is leaving office before her term expires. This has not been adequately explained, but I suspect the reasons, whatever they may be, will become evident soon enough.

but of course all some here is "blah blah blah" because they already have an opinion based on preconception. Pity.

And you, CaptainHalpo, are no different in this regard.

[OneToughHerring]

Time for the indigenous people to take back Alaska.

[Buddahaid]

After this what would you do?

And Rush doesn't sully himself with similar drivel? It is and seemingly will always be part of the deal.

As far as what I'd do? I'd never run in the first place.

Buddahaid

[Tribesman]

LOL and she and her family were treated with kid glovesShe and her family were treated no worse than McCain and his family were when he ran for the Republican nomination against GW.

[Kapt Z]

Sarah who? ;)

[Max2147]

She and her family were treated no worse than McCain and his family were when he ran for the Republican nomination against GW.
What Palin and her family endured doesn't even come close to what McCain and his family went through in 2000. I still think the "illegitimate black child" push poll is the single lowest point in major American political campaigns.

[Buddahaid]

What Palin and her family endured doesn't even come close to what McCain and his family went through in 2000. I still think the "illegitimate black child" push poll is the single lowest point in major American political campaigns.

Can't say she doesn't know how to motivate people. It's just that their motivated farther apart. Night all.

Buddahaid

[XabbaRus]

Maybe she will pose for Playboy now...:up:

[mookiemookie]

What Palin and her family endured doesn't even come close to what McCain and his family went through in 2000. I still think the "illegitimate black child" push poll is the single lowest point in major American political campaigns.

If politicians are going to use their families as political props...."oh look at wholesome we are, look at how family oriented I am!"...well, it's like inviting me into your house. Don't be surprised if I start looking around once I'm inside. I may see things you don't want me to see.

Good riddance.

[Torplexed]

Maybe she will pose for Playboy now...:up:

I guess if politics and playboy don't work out, she could always give a go at being a Tina Fey impersonator.

[Aramike]

If politicians are going to use their families as political props...."oh look at wholesome we are, look at how family oriented I am!"...well, it's like inviting me into your house. Don't be surprised if I start looking around once I'm inside. I may see things you don't want me to see.

Good riddance.It's funny you say that ... I don't think she did that at all. I'm curious as to why you took it that way.

[Onkel Neal]

After this what would you do?

I would laugh it off, and then work at one of my favorite maxims: living well is the best revenge.

Don't get me wrong, I personally like Sarah Palin and appreciate her positions, but Mookie said, she showcased her family as part of her credentials (like a lot of pols do). She should not have been surprised to learn that the liberal media has more than it's share of jackasses.

Thank god Reagan was made of sterner stuff than Palin. Can you imagine RR dragging up halfway in his first term as gov of California? :nope:

If this stunt is some fancy way of positioning herself for a run at President in 2012, I sure don't support it.

[PeriscopeDepth]

If any sort of scandal erupts in the wake of her quitting she is done.

PD

[Thomen]

If any sort of scandal erupts in the wake of her quitting she is done.

PD

Probably, but don't discount that many modern Americans seem to have an apparent lack of memory and/or a short attention span.
IF, and thats a big IF, the media should turn against the Democrats for whatever reason, then, yes.. there may be a chance that she can actually make it. It will all depend on how she is displayed in the media and how much support she get from them.

[Onkel Neal]

Agreed, Thomen.

Palin could still mount a comeback, because there are plenty in the Republican base who would vote for her based on appeal and rhetoric, on popularity rather than credentials and experience, same as the Dems voted in Obama.

[mookiemookie]

Probably, but don't discount that many modern Americans seem to have an apparent lack of memory and/or a short attention span.
IF, and thats a big IF, the media should turn against the Democrats for whatever reason, then, yes.. there may be a chance that she can actually make it. It will all depend on how she is displayed in the media and how much support she get from them.

And it's all dependent upon whether the big bad librul media asks her unfair and impossible questions like "what do you read?"

[Thomen]

And it's all dependent upon whether the big bad librul media asks her unfair and impossible questions like "what do you read?"

Yea, kinda the questions Obama and Biden got. That would be an 'almost' sure winner. Worked for those two, too.. plus some big helping hands from ABC and MSNBC when it came to broadcasting and editing the interviews.


But, seriously, the interviews are not really the deciding factors. How stuff is covered and how aggressive the socalled journalists and reporters are, is what will decide it.

[Max2147]

Yea, kinda the questions Obama and Biden got. That would be an 'almost' sure winner. Worked for those two, too.. plus some big helping hands from ABC and MSNBC when it came to broadcasting and editing the interviews.


But, seriously, the interviews are not really the deciding factors. How stuff is covered and how aggressive the socalled journalists and reporters are, is what will decide it.
I think you missed the point - the media gave Palin the gimme questions and she still fluffed them up. "What newspapers do you read" is not a difficult question.

The question that triggered Palin's legendary answer in the Katie Couric interview was "Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?" That's a simple yes or no question, and it was fair game because Palin had been using Russia's proximity to Alaska as an asset for the entire campaign.

Tina Fey wouldn't have had any effect if she hadn't been able to get laughs by quoting Palin verbatim.

[Thomen]

I think you missed the point - the media gave Palin the gimme questions and she still fluffed them up. "What newspapers do you read" is not a difficult question.

The question that triggered Palin's legendary answer in the Katie Couric interview was "Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?" That's a simple yes or no question, and it was fair game because Palin had been using Russia's proximity to Alaska as an asset for the entire campaign.

Tina Fey wouldn't have had any effect if she hadn't been able to get laughs by quoting Palin verbatim.

Na.. I did not miss the point. It is more along the line how this is presented. She could have given the best interview, and she would still have taken a lot of heat for her answers.

The point here is, that the media showed favoritism, and still does. If the gloves come off, it will (probably) look different. And it does not really matter if Palin is still in the public eye or not at the time.
She can go dance in a strip club (ok, maybe not that bad), or snork coke. If the press 'diggs' her, all her past failing will be forgiven and forgotten and that's where the problem lies, IMO. Not that the press might digg her, but that the media has such a big influence on building and guiding public opinion.

[Max2147]

Na.. I did not miss the point. It is more along the line how this is presented. She could have given the best interview, and she would still have taken a lot of heat for her answers.

What would have happened if she gave good interviews is irrelevant, because she didn't give them. The simple fact is that she gave some AWFUL interviews, capped off by the Couric interview. You don't need the media to tell you that - the interviews are cringe-worthy enough on their own. Even her speech announcing her resignation was completely incoherent and illogical.

[Thomen]

What would have happened if she gave good interviews is irrelevant, because she didn't give them. The simple fact is that she gave some AWFUL interviews, capped off by the Couric interview. You don't need the media to tell you that - the interviews are cringe-worthy enough on their own. Even her speech announcing her resignation was completely incoherent and illogical.

If she did give good interviews or not, is your opinion. Hell, a lot of people seem to think she did very well. And there are a lot of people who think she was really bad. It does not matter. Those are opinions, and those opinions will be formed (reinforced, might fit better) on what the media lets the public see.

You are missing the point. It is not important if she is incoherent and illogical. As long as a candidate has the support of the media, it does not matter. Did you miss the gaffes of Joe the Senator and Obamas interview and speeches without a teleprompter?

My initial point was, that media support could bring her back, not how she performed in interviews.

[Max2147]

If she did give good interviews or not, is your opinion. Hell, a lot of people seem to think she did very well. And there are a lot of people who think she was really bad. It does not matter. Those are opinions, and those opinions will be formed (reinforced, might fit better) on what the media lets the public see.

You are missing the point. It is not important if she is incoherent and illogical. As long as a candidate has the support of the media, it does not matter. Did you miss the gaffes of Joe the Senator and Obamas interview and speeches without a teleprompter?

My initial point was, that media support could bring her back, not how she performed in interviews.
Show me one person who thinks that Palin did a good job in that Katie Couric interview. Even the McCain campaign didn't try to spin it that way. Heck, even Palin herself never claimed to do a good job. Saying Palin did badly isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.

[AVGWarhawk]

My initial point was, that media support could bring her back, not how she performed in interviews.


I would agree. Even if Palin did a fantastic job with the interview the media would only focus on what she did wrong. She was fodder as far as the media was concerned. It drew viewership and ratings. Look at Couric now....in the dumps for viewer numbers and ratings. No one to beat up.

I would agree that the interview was at best...devastating to Palin. Such is life. She leaves public life now and moves on.

[SteamWake]

Look at Couric now....in the dumps for viewer numbers and ratings. No one to beat up.

One can only imagine the aingst by Couric of having to try to get her as a guest again after the condescending hatchet job she did last time. :rotfl:

[mookiemookie]

One can only imagine the aingst by Couric of having to try to get her as a guest again after the condescending hatchet job she did last time. :rotfl:

Hatchet job? Asking someone what newspapers they read is a hatchet job? Palin made herself look like a moron without any help from anyone else with her rambling incoherent answers of strung together buzzwords and thought fragments. My favorite was her "bailout" answer set to music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nlwwFZdXck

You guys sure do love to play the victim.

[Aramike]

You guys sure do love to play the victim. I'm just wondering where the equivolent questions where asked of Biden, and why libs tend to Palin-bash at every opportunity while Uncle Joe's weekly screw-ups are by and large dismissed.

You guys sure do love to look at things from only one side...

[Max2147]

When has Biden failed to answer a question about what newspapers he reads? When has Biden failed to give a substantive response to the question 'Have you ever been involved in any international negotiations'?

And if you haven't noticed, I'm ripping Biden apart in another thread here. So much for liberals dismissing Biden's screw-ups.

[Aramike]

When has Biden failed to answer a question about what newspapers he reads? When has Biden failed to give a substantive response to the question 'Have you ever been involved in any international negotiations'?

And if you haven't noticed, I'm ripping Biden apart in another thread here. So much for liberals dismissing Biden's screw-ups.You missed the point.

The point was, when was Biden even asked these questions?

[Max2147]

You missed the point.

The point was, when was Biden even asked these questions?
I can't dig through every interview Biden has ever given. I'm sure somebody asked him those sorts of questions towards the start of his political career, back when he was an unknown. Since he didn't flub the answers, nobody remembered them.

[CastleBravo]

Well she said she did all this based on here family and what was best for Alaska. Can't we take her on her word until we can prove some other motive?

[Skybird]

No, that would be stupid. Simply stupid, and naive.

[Max2147]

Well she said she did all this based on here family and what was best for Alaska. Can't we take her on her word until we can prove some other motive?
Do you EVER take a politician's word without at least some skepticism?

[Aramike]

I can't dig through every interview Biden has ever given. I'm sure somebody asked him those sorts of questions towards the start of his political career, back when he was an unknown. Since he didn't flub the answers, nobody remembered them.Somehow I doubt this, at least in the case of the national media. There was a clear attempt at the "Gotcha" interview.

In any case, don't get me wrong - I don't think that Palin was incredibly quick on her feet during the interviews. But hell, in early interviews during his presidential run Obama wasn't very good either. He became better with practice. And he NEVER faced those types of questions, either.

[Max2147]

Somehow I doubt this, at least in the case of the national media. There was a clear attempt at the "Gotcha" interview.

In any case, don't get me wrong - I don't think that Palin was incredibly quick on her feet during the interviews. But hell, in early interviews during his presidential run Obama wasn't very good either. He became better with practice. And he NEVER faced those types of questions, either.
Again, Couric did NOT ask Palin difficult questions. The ones she flubbed were very simple questions that even I could answer clearly.

[AngusJS]

Somehow I doubt this, at least in the case of the national media. There was a clear attempt at the "Gotcha" interview.

In any case, don't get me wrong - I don't think that Palin was incredibly quick on her feet during the interviews. But hell, in early interviews during his presidential run Obama wasn't very good either. He became better with practice. And he NEVER faced those types of questions, either.The Gibson interview could be seen as a gotcha interview. But the Couric interviews, the ones that signalled Palin's decline, were comprised of one softball after another.

"What newspapers do you read?" is not a gotcha question. It's a question that Palin could have batted out of the park if she had two brain cells to rub together. It didn't have to be Foreign Affairs. It could have been the Wassila Home Snooze for crying out loud. Something. Anything. Do you really think Biden or Obama are so out of it as to be incapable of answering that question?

I am sure Biden and Obama (or McCain) have been caught saying stupid things, as have all politicians. But I highly doubt that any of them could produce such an interview in which they consistently give stupid, nonsensical answers to question after question.

[Aramike]

No one's going to get an argument from me that Palin did a terrible job in the Couric interview.

However, even now I get a really odd vibe from Couric during that interview - maybe they were softballs, but some seemed condescendingly soft, like the newspaper question.

[CastleBravo]

And Biden has done so well? The press is giving him a break. Or he is too stupid to criticize. Obama ain't no rocket scientist either...how many times has he walked into a door now? Twice.

[Buddahaid]

And Biden has done so well? The press is giving him a break. Or he is too stupid to criticize. Obama ain't no rocket scientist either...how many times has he walked into a door now? Twice.

A new Ford model?:har:

Buddahaid

[mookiemookie]

But as for whether another pursuit of national office, as she did less than a year ago when she joined Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in the race for the White House, would result in the same political blood sport, Palin said there is a difference between the White House and what she has experienced in Alaska. If she were in the White House, she said, the "department of law" would protect her from baseless ethical allegations.

"I think on a national level, your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out," she said.

There is no "Department of Law" at the White House.http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8016906&page=1

I guess you all are going to say that the "department of reporting" should stop being so hard on her, right? :rotfl:

But Obama "walking into a door" makes him unfit to lead? Yeah, ooooooookaaaaay

Need I remind you?

http://www.liveforexnews.com/jokes/bush_door.jpg

[SteamWake]

Media Bias? Ohhhh come on :rotfl:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/UlteriorModem/Palin.jpg

[Buddahaid]

I see you get your news from MAD magazine. Explains a lot. :arrgh!:

Buddahaid

[SteamWake]

I see you get your news from MAD magazine. Explains a lot. :arrgh!:

Buddahaid

LOL its from pundit kitchen but it does make a point, about the media.

[Platapus]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ng-duck-award/

Palin Beats Out Blagojevich for Sitting Duck Award



The National Society of Newspaper Columnists chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as the winner of its annual Sitting Duck Award, a tongue-in-cheek honor that pokes fun at the most ridiculed newsmakers in the United States.

Palin beat out Democrat Rod Blagojevich, the ousted former governor of Illinois allegedly caught trying to sell President Obama's Senate seat.
Blagojevich was the runner-up. Palin was noted for making headline after headline, month after month.

The selection was made last week at a conference in Ventura, Calif.
There's no physical award to go with the Sitting Duck title.

Hey take any win you can! :yeah:

[CastleBravo]

In 1754, Lt. Col. George Washington quit the Virginia militia, an obscure fact that now seems a bit more interesting in the wake of Gov. Sarah Palin's resignation in Alaska.
Historians differ on the reason for Washington's resignation. Some say he didn't like the way British soldiers treated him. Others say he was upset because a planned reorganization of the unit would've meant a reduction in rank.

Imagine if you will how the media would've handled the story, if only our modern news creatures had been there to impart their instant wisdom to colonial America.

"Georgy Porgy is one nutty puppy," pundit Maureen Dowd wrote on hearing the news. "George wanted everyone to know that he's not having fun in the Virginia militia and people are being mean to him and he doesn't feel like serving anymore."

Todd Purdum, reporting for Vanity Fair, said the soldier's behavior has been a source of concern.
"Several told me, independently of one another," Purdum wrote, "that they had consulted the definition of 'narcissistic personality disorder' — a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration and lack of empathy — in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders and thought it fit Washington perfectly."

Not to be outdone by speculative "reporting," Colonialist News Network anchor Rick Sanchez asked on the air: "Is there anything going on with him that perhaps may lead him to want to quit the Virginia militia, and the one thing that's still left out there, hey, could young George have gotten a girl pregnant?"

Richard Cohen, writing for the Washington Post, which is not owned by George Washington's family, cleared his throat for 20 paragraphs, put on his most pompous air and announced:

"When the chuckling is over, you have to ask yourself what in the world Washington was doing as a lieutenant colonel in the Virginia militia and what would have happened if a guy like Washington ever became leader of the Colonies — a frightening reality."

Political strategist Ed Rollins said: "Everyone is shocked by this and everyone assumes there's another story. You just don't quit the Virginia militia. You certainly don't do this as a steppingstone to anything else. This makes George look terribly inept. I think that's one of the questions that people have about him. Is Washington substantive enough to be a serious candidate for anything else? This just doesn't make sense. It goes against common sense."

Other journalists in the 13 Colonies agreed that George Washington was finished as a military leader. Among the old, dull journalists with one less thought each year, it was decided beyond a reasonable doubt that Washington by dropping out of the militia had ended what might have been a promising career.

"Nobody would follow this guy anywhere now," as one curator of the conventional wisdom solemnly observed.

A few commentators disagreed.
America's sweetheart, Ann Coulter, said George was too big for the Virginia militia. "I think his quitting was a brilliant move, and I'm baffled by people being baffled. He's a huge, huge star, and meanwhile he's stuck in the Virginia militia when he should be a commander of an entire Colonial Army or something big like that."

William Kristol took it a step further: "This unusual move might be the right move for Washington to become president of the United States, if we had such a position."

[Takeda Shingen]

Of course, George Washington, like John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, to name a few, were great communicators of ideas. Palin's rambling press conference would not put her in that sphere, and it would be foolish to attempt to place her in the company of the elite presidents of history.

To that end, Palin is a poor spokesperson for any ideals, let alone conservative ideology. She is not the person the Republican party needs to get back on track. If I truly believed that she were to be leaving politics I would say good riddance, but I am certian that we have not seen the last of her. There is little doubt, however, that the above will be the centerpiece of her camp's argument once she decides to return to the fray. I don't believe that it holds any merit under scrutiny, but that may not render it ineffective. After all this is the 21st Century America, and reason seems to be in short supply.

[CastleBravo]

Of course, George Washington, like John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, to name a few, were great communicators of ideas. Palin's rambling press conference would not put her in that sphere, and it would be foolish to attempt to place her in the company of the elite presidents of history.

To that end, Palin is a poor spokesperson for any ideals, let alone conservative ideology. She is not the person the Republican party needs to get back on track. If I truly believed that she were to be leaving politics I would say good riddance, but I am certian that we have not seen the last of her. There is little doubt, however, that the above will be the centerpiece of her camp's argument once she decides to return to the fray. I don't believe that it holds any merit under scrutiny, but that may not render it ineffective. After all this is the 21st Century America, and reason seems to be in short supply.

I hear this kind of analysis often, and it is usually while watching MSNBC.
Which begs the question. If she is of such low caliber, why all the attention?

Ultimately Sarah Palin may or may not be in a position to run for high office in the future, but what she represents...a return to conservative ideals seem to strike a cord with people.

It is also very curious that people would take advice from the left asto how the right should conduct itself politically and who their candidates should or shouldn't be. Again if Palin is of such low caliber the left should be jumping in the streets about how fortunate they are.

[Takeda Shingen]

I hear this kind of analysis often, and it is usually while watching MSNBC.
Which begs the question. If she is of such low caliber, why all the attention?

Ultimately Sarah Palin may or may not be in a position to run for high office in the future, but what she represents...a return to conservative ideals seem to strike a cord with people.

It is also very curious that people would take advice from the left asto how the right should conduct itself politically and who their candidates should or shouldn't be. Again if Palin is of such low caliber the left should be jumping in the streets about how fortunate they are.

I am registered Republican, thank you very much. My ideals are right-of-center, especially fiscally (I care not for social issues so long as they do not interfere with my daily life). I may agree with her ideals, but the presentation is so poor that I do not want her as the spokesperson for my party. There will be others that will come along who will do this more effectively; there always are. In 2001/2002, the Democrats were, effectively, out of politics. They found their voice and their candidate. The Republicans will find their's, but it is important not to grasp at straws. It may take awhile.

In terms of Palin's media attention, I wish it were not so. Still, it is easy to explain: She is a train wreck. The media loves disasters because people will watch. And people love disasters because it makes them feel better about themselves. What a shallow and insecure world we live in. Again, I wish she'd just go away.

[mookiemookie]

I hear this kind of analysis often, and it is usually while watching MSNBC.
Which begs the question. If she is of such low caliber, why all the attention?


All the attention is because of how someone so clearly in over their head was held up by some on the right as the best thing since Reagan. It's mind blowing and laughable that some people still contort themselves into defending her.

So what does she stand for, really? She’s selling us the folksy image devoid of any idea that isn't a buzzword or sloganeering strung together into a semblance of a speech. The smug reassurance that mediocrity is good enough so long as you have the looks and can wink at the camera. The veneer of "conservative ideology" of God and country first (that falls apart if you care to scratch the surface) and whipping up crowds into a frenzy by playing off base emotions of fear and ignorance. She’s an icon, an image that appeals to people that equate folksiness with qualification. An ex-beauty queen that somehow failed upwards enough to be in a position to be the Republican VP nominee. She appeals to people who sit on their sofas, bowl of pretzels in one hand, remote in the other thinking “Hell…If she can do it, I could too! I ain’t gonna…but I could!"

We had a president that was elected based on "who would you like to have a beer with?" and that was disastrous. You would think people would have learned from that.

[geetrue]

Of course, George Washington, like John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, to name a few, were great communicators of ideas. Palin's rambling press conference would not put her in that sphere, and it would be foolish to attempt to place her in the company of the elite presidents of history.

To that end, Palin is a poor spokesperson for any ideals, let alone conservative ideology. She is not the person the Republican party needs to get back on track. If I truly believed that she were to be leaving politics I would say good riddance, but I am certian that we have not seen the last of her. There is little doubt, however, that the above will be the centerpiece of her camp's argument once she decides to return to the fray. I don't believe that it holds any merit under scrutiny, but that may not render it ineffective. After all this is the 21st Century America, and reason seems to be in short supply.


She does have a following however ... no matter what you may think of her she does draw a crowd. People that hunt and fish love her, certain kinds of women love her some don't. People that dislike Obama (they are growing in numbers) like to listen to what she has to say.

You are right about Palin not fitting in the right slot compared to past presidents, but she may have also deduced that same thought and realized she can't win the VP nod again nor can she win or even hope to win the number one position in America.

But she can sway public opinion and if my guess is correct she will become the head of the Republican Party for fund raising and poking fun of her advisory President Obama.

That's why she quit to pay more attention to the lower 48 states in traveling and speaking ... not for public office, but for what she strongly believes in which is what a lot of lower, middle and upper class (I hate to say it, but it's the truth) white people think.

By not running for public office she will be able to confront Prexident Obama and his administration on a regular schedule without people thinking that she wants more out of this than it looks like.

The day will come and mark my words Palin will say;

"Senator McCain would have made a better president"

and a whole lot of peope will agree with her :yep:

[Takeda Shingen]

She does have a following however ... no matter what you may think of her she does draw a crowd. People that hunt and fish love her, certain kinds of women love her some don't. People that dislike Obama (they are growing in numbers) like to listen to what she has to say.

You are right about Palin not fitting in the right slot compared to past presidents, but she may have also deduced that same thought and realized she can't win the VP nod again nor can she win or even hope to win the number one position in America.

But she can sway public opinion and if my guess is correct she will become the head of the Republican Party for fund raising and poking fun of her advisory President Obama.

That's why she quit to pay more attention to the lower 48 states in traveling and speaking ... not for public office, but for what she strongly believes in which is what a lot of lower, middle and upper class (I hate to say it, but it's the truth) white people think.

By not running for public office she will be able to confront Prexident Obama and his administration on a regular schedule without people thinking that she wants more out of this than it looks like.

The day will come and mark my words Palin will say;

"Senator McCain would have made a better president"

and a whole lot of peope will agree with her :yep:

You may be very right about her fundraising abilities and appeal within certain segments of the populace. However, it is clear that she also has the politician's ego, and I am not certain that it will keep her from attempting another run at high office.

I also believe that people will turn from Obama faster than expected, especially by Christmas time, when we've spent trillions of taxpayer dollars, the economy hasn't turned and people are looking at empty space under the tree. I also agree that people will feel the same way that you stated about McCain. However, I think that it has been shown time and time again that Sarah Palin is not an effective voice for delivering that message.

[CastleBravo]

I also believe that people will turn from Obama faster than expected, especially by Christmas time, when we've spent trillions of taxpayer dollars, the economy hasn't turned and people are looking at empty space under the tree.

It has already begun.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/july_2009/obama_index_july_9_2009/231370-1-eng-US/obama_index_july_9_2009.jpg

Its this type of polling which will take the wind out of congress's sails on Cap and Trade, health reform and all other Obama initiatives. Harry Ried has already delayed the Cap and Trade debate until after the recess.

[AVGWarhawk]

Sure has CastleBravo. The smoke has dissipated and the mirrors are now broken. Welcome to reality folks!

[PeriscopeDepth]

This is the kind of the stuff that can make the Republicans a viable opposition party IMO. Promoting fiscal accountability (not necessarily regulation) and sensible economic policy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5682QS20090709

PD

[CastleBravo]

This re-enforces my previous post. Palin may very well be in the perfect spot. A Senate run isn't out of the question. She is only 45 y.o. after all.

Thirty-four percent (34%) of likely voters believe the United States is moving in the right direction, down four points from a week ago and the lowest result found since early March.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 61% now say the nation is heading down the wrong track, up four points over the past week and the highest level on that question in nearly five months.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_wrong_track/right_direction_or_wrong_track

[geetrue]

How can Palin run for a Senate seat in the same state that she quit being the governor in?

I don't think you have completly thought this out yet, CB :salute:

[CastleBravo]

How can Palin run for a Senate seat in the same state that she quit being the governor in?

I don't think you have completly thought this out yet, CB :salute:

Was Hillary Clinton a Senator for Arkansas (or Illinois, her state of birth)?

[AngusJS]

The day will come and mark my words Palin will say;

"Senator McCain would have made a better president"

Until he had a fatal heart attack, leaving Ms. Clueless as leader of the free world.

Maybe then people would finally understand that competence is more important than folksiness. But then again, if that point hasn't been driven home after 8 years of Bush, it never will.

[August]

Until he had a fatal heart attack, leaving Ms. Clueless as leader of the free world.

Maybe then people would finally understand that competence is more important than folksiness. But then again, if that point hasn't been driven home after 8 years of Bush, it never will.

Geez, that's rich, seeing as the Democrats put feaking Joe Biden a single heartbeat away from the Oval office! :DL

[JHuschke]

I'd be laughing at Obama... >.> (Looks at Russia and Korea)