"The list of what the Osprey can't do is longer than the list of what it can do."

[Skybird]

It seems the V22 Osprey does not meet expectations.

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUSN239152720090623?sp=true

[Dowly]

I still think it's just one big juicy target for the enemy to shoot at.

[AVGWarhawk]

This aircraft was doomed right after it left the drawing board.

[CastleBravo]

It should have been named Albatross, used to mean an encumbrance, or a wearisome burden, because that is what it is.

[SteamWake]

A plane that thinks its a helicopter that thinks its a plane :doh:

When I first saw one of these things and the size of the rotors I thought... heeeeya thatll work :yep:

Wasent there cases of them literally shaking themselves to pieces in early test stages.

Sort of like helicopters bound to self destruct on the slightest mishap.

[AVGWarhawk]

I still think it's just one big juicy target for the enemy to shoot at.

That's if it does not crash before it get to the action:doh: Really, it is a POS and the amount of time/money/effort put into it the military was not going to scrap the entire program.

http://www.zpub.com/notes/osprey.html


http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=004x0Q


Here is that beauty inflight, well, kind of, well, attempting, well...oh never mind :stare: Watch the video

http://www.aviation-history.com/video/v22.htm

[Onkel Neal]

Here's the thing; the Osprey may not work as well as wished for, but I think it's good to keep pushing the envelope on technical designs. A lot of innovations have been discovered that way.

[AVGWarhawk]

Here's the thing; the Osprey may not work as well as wished for, but I think it's good to keep pushing the envelope on technical designs. A lot of innovations have been discovered that way.

True but after 30 deaths and numerous other issues, time to throw in the towel on this bird.

[Letum]

Isn't the list of what anything can't do longer than the list of things it can do?

[Platapus]

a hundred million a copy?????

Yikes!

It is cooleo technology but if it does not really help solve a problem, it is a rather expensive toy.:nope:

[Aramike]

Didn't Dick Cheney try to stop funding for this when he was SecDef?

[Platapus]

Didn't Dick Cheney try to stop funding for this when he was SecDef?

I think that was the Navy's A-12 another albatross.

[Aramike]

I think that was the Navy's A-12 another albatross.You got me curious so I looked it up. Looks like he killed the A-12 completely, while he attempted but failed to kill the V-22, along with the F-14D, AND the Seawolf sub. Interesting stuff...

http://www.issues2000.org/celeb/dick_cheney_defense.htm

[Platapus]

You got me curious so I looked it up. Looks like he killed the A-12 completely, while he attempted but failed to kill the V-22, along with the F-14D, AND the Seawolf sub. Interesting stuff...

http://www.issues2000.org/celeb/dick_cheney_defense.htm

Ah I did not know Cheney tried to kill the V-22 also. Good info. :up:

[SUBMAN1]

Isn't the list of what anything can't do longer than the list of things it can do?

Damn straight it is! :D

Matter of fact, the Osprey has 99% of all of its kinks ironed out. No one has ever made something like this so there is bound to be a problem or two in the beginning. Sad about the loss of life.

I've been in an Osprey and it is one fine piece of equipment these days.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

True but after 30 deaths and numerous other issues, time to throw in the towel on this bird.

30 deaths were 10 years ago when it was pressed into service before it was ready. The reports out of Iraq and Afghanistan however are glowing beyond expectation, so things have changed since those days. It is beating Black Hawks for reliability now.

-S

[Max2147]

You got me curious so I looked it up. Looks like he killed the A-12 completely, while he attempted but failed to kill the V-22, along with the F-14D, AND the Seawolf sub. Interesting stuff...

http://www.issues2000.org/celeb/dick_cheney_defense.htm
Cheney actually killed a LOT of stuff while he was SecDef. He got in a lot of fights with the Dems in Congress who wanted to keep funding projects.

Of course, Dick Cheney fighting against military spending that the Dems supported kind of goes against the GOP's script these days, so they brushed it under the rug. But a lot of his cuts were good ideas.

[SUBMAN1]

I guess there is some issues still yet to be worked out:

-S


Maj. Eric Dent, a spokesman for Marine Corps public affairs in Washington, said the Marines are proud of the Osprey’s performance.

“The performance of the Osprey in Iraq has given ground commanders everything they’ve asked for. It’s done those missions faster and farther and safer than any helicopter could do,” said Dent, adding the Marines are aware of 13 troublesome components.

“We know there’s still work to be done to improve reliability of some of the components to enhance the V-22’s readiness. We’re fully engaged with the industry to solve this.”

Dent said there are no plans to halt production of the Osprey.

“We fundamentally disagree that is a reasonable response to reliability issues we’re addressing,” he said, adding the Marines plan to send a squadron of Ospreys to Afghanistan by the year’s end.

Marine Corps Lt. Gen. George Trautman, deputy commandant for aviation, also disputed the GAO’s assessment, saying the Osprey will operate just as effectively in Afghanistan as it has in Iraq.

“We agree with Lt. Gen. Trautman that the MV-22 performance in Iraq has been outstanding. It’s been able to do things no other aircraft in history has been able to do,” said Andy Lee, spokesman for Boeing. He referred further questions to the Marine Corps.

The aircraft, jointly built at Boeing’s Ridley plant and Textron Inc.’s Bell Helicopters, had difficulties operating from Navy ships and carrying the required number of troops and cargo during tests and training exercises, according to the GAO review.

Though the Osprey program and development began more than 20 years ago, it has only been in active service since 2007. The aircraft has been plagued by a history of mechanical failures and four test-flight crashes claiming the lives of 30 people from 1991-2000.

Sestak, D-7, of Edgmont, said he remains a supporter of the Osprey program. He expected the V-22’s readiness would be low in its first deployment, as it is for all new aircraft on their first deployment, he said.

“This is particularly true for a technically revolutionary aircraft, like the V-22. When the first deployment returned, I was surprised that the V-22 had performed better than expected, and reiterated the point that this was not the norm,” Sestak said.

“Now, with this data, we can work with the Marine Corps to enhance the readiness of the V-22 to levels that will assuredly be attained as we work through proper parts supply, new maintenance procedures and other efforts that are not uncommon for a new aircraft.”

The Osprey replaces the CH-46 Sea Knight, a 39-year-old assault helicopter used during the Vietnam War. It can travel twice as fast and three times farther than the Sea Knight. The planes, equipped with radar, lasers and a missile defense system, carry 24 combat-ready Marines and have accompanied attack helicopters in Iraq, which come under gunfire and mortar attacks.

[Arclight]

The Osprey definetly has it's uses. It's the combination of capabilities of a helo combined with extended range that make it usefull. Helicopters need to be carried to an AO, while the Osprey can self deploy and perform the same missions as a helo. Kinda silly to have it replace the Sea Knight though, IMO they should operate them side by side, but I guess budget doesn't stretch that far. On the other hand they still have the MH-60S, which was intended to replace the CH-46 as well. :hmmm: