Minute Man

[AVGWarhawk]

So, North Korea said they will send missiles to the USA if provoked. I wonder if this is the USA's subdued response but a pointed response:hmmm:


http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10610182

[AVGWarhawk]

Come on North Korea...what do you expect?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/29/AR2009062900307_pf.html

[joegrundman]

I know that almost every single military obsessed american gets a little hard-on at the thought of a new bad guy who's threatening freedom and the american way of life.

NK simply is not going to launch a missile at the US. Ever.

p.s. if i'm wrong, i'll apologise

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm willing to bet the majority of Americans know nothing about NK or the missiles. However, they could tell you about Michael Jackson. The hard ons are simply not there.

Apology accepted :D Of course, it will not matter then will it:hmmm:

[joegrundman]

that's finding nemo in your sig. nice one

"aah come on, i insist!"

[Tchocky]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures



North Korea - 5,500,000,000

USA - 651,163,000,000

[AVGWarhawk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures



North Korea - 5,500,000,000

USA - 651,163,000,000

So what is your point Tchocky?

[Onkel Neal]

I know that almost every single military obsessed american gets a little hard-on at the thought of a new bad guy who's threatening freedom and the american way of life.




Wha..? :o Do you think so?

[Tchocky]

Kind of a backup to grundman there.

I don't see NK being stupid enough to launch a live rocket.

[Dowly]

that's finding nemo in your sig. nice one

"aah come on, i insist!"

:yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

Kind of a backup to grundman there.

I don't see NK being stupid enough to launch a live rocket.

I do not see it either but NK persists with it. Do you think it is prudent to keep abreast of NK's moves? I would say so.

[joegrundman]

Wha..? :o Do you think so?

NK simply is not going to launch a missile at the US. Ever.

this is the pertinent bit of my post, boss. But i'll do a trousers check if you require it (starting with rockstar):O:

If my initial assumption is found to be wrong, i'll make the following declaration in my sig!

"Most military-obsessed Americans do not have hard-ons at the thought of a new bad guy threatening to blow you all up, after all"

[Onkel Neal]

Kind of a backup to grundman there.

I don't see NK being stupid enough to launch a live rocket.

Well, I'm relieved, what with insane dictators having such a good track record of doing what makes sense and in the best interest of their people.


What's truly sad is that millions of people are suffering daily under this idiot and (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4878&page=7)the Western world cares little. A colossal crime against humanity is being carried out, as bad as slavery, and nothing is done.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm really beginning to believe there is a grudge from the Korean War here. It is almost on the edge of being nuts if not already nuts.

[Task Force]

So what is your point Tchocky?

It would take alot of nukes to knock us off the map... lots of populace, compared to north korea. and after they fire there nuke, we would fire ares.... and being that in NK they are jam packed in there, there would be not too many left...:yep: (or atlease i surspect... Krazy Kim would be in his shelter if he has one...:yep:

Does anyone know if Krazy Kim is still alive....

[AVGWarhawk]

It would take alot of nukes to knock us off the map... lots of populace, compared to north korea. and after they fire there nuke, we would fire ares.... and being that in NK they are jam packed in there, there would be not too many left...:yep: (or atlease i surspect... Krazy Kim would be in his shelter if he has one...:yep:

Does anyone know if Krazy Kim is still alive....


The USA would not send any over unless in retaliation. My original post concerns a bit of muscle flexing on the part of the USA. Would you agree?

[Raptor1]

Any overt act of aggression by the DPRK would mean their quick and painful end (And this time they won't have the Chinese coming over to save them), launching something in the direction of the US just might be the best thing that happened to the ultimate stability of the region in 50 years

[Tchocky]

Well, I'm relieved, what with insane dictators having such a good track record of doing what makes sense and in the best interest of their people.
He's got a very well-developed sense of self-interest and self-preservation. Launching a missile at anyone doesn't mesh well with that.

[Onkel Neal]

He's got a very well-developed sense of self-interest and self-preservation. Launching a missile at anyone doesn't mesh well with that.


If you say so.

[Task Force]

The USA would not send any over unless in retaliation. My original post concerns a bit of muscle flexing on the part of the USA. Would you agree?

yea. I agree about that

I say, that as soon (if ever) as KK tells the idiot to fire the missile that the us should get interceptor missiles ready, and fire a counterattack against them...

I still get this feeling that the koreans arnt gonna do a thing.

the nk are useing this missile like a angry 5 year old laying down, banging there fists and yelling. they see it gets them what they want, there name in the news, and diplomatic attempts which has just helped them out.

[AVGWarhawk]

I suspect they will not do anything because it is a no win situation for all involved.

[Task Force]

yep, like I said... NK= little kid who dosent get the toy they want.

[Max2147]

Kim Jong-Il is actually pretty sane and steady. The whole insane unstable dictator thing is just an act to get concessions out of the US. It's quite clever, and during the last administration it was very effective.

But Kim Jong-Il might not be in power much longer, and it remains to be seen who takes over and what they're like.

One thing is for sure though - a pre-emptive American strike against North Korea simply is not an option. The US knows that, as does North Korea. If North Korea were an island in the middle of nowhere we would have invaded them long ago, but they're not - they're right next to a major American ally and a key player in the global economy. Even if we win the war (which I'm confident we would) it would still destroy Seoul and devestate South Korea. That's not a price that the US is willing to pay.

The only way the US would attack North Korea is if North Korea attacks the US or one of our allies. North Korea knows this, so they're not going to attack.

[CastleBravo]

Let's not forget the close ties NK has with China. Sphere of influence can be seen as just as important to China as it is to any western nation, and the chance of Cinese participation in any exchange is entirely possible.

That being said, NK is playing a dangerous game. Yes, the US does inform other nations before a missile test is conducted. It is also very well advertised through other sources. I told every one here on Saturday of the scheduled firing. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=153195

This one hour notification by NK could lead to trouble. I know part of it is meant to measure US response to short notice events, but it could go tragically wrong.

[AVGWarhawk]

China can have a huge influence over this Castle and I wonder why China has been silent.

You are correct, NK is playing a dangerous game.

[Task Force]

hey avg, is that pic in your sig from finding nemo?:hmmm: looks fimiliar...

[Dowly]

hey avg, is that pic in your sig from finding nemo?:hmmm: looks fimiliar...

YES IT IS!!!! :stare:

[CastleBravo]

China can have a huge influence over this Castle and I wonder why China has been silent.


Because like he is in every other nation, Mr. Obama is considered weak on foriegn policy. His poor response to the Iranian elections is but one example. Its a test, and China wants to be part of the grading process.

[joegrundman]

I'm just going to tell you again, boys and girls, in the vain hope you'll sleep more easily and be less disturbed by your febrile imaginations

NK is not going to attack the USA. Repeat: NK is not going to attack the USA. And what's more the US is not going to do any regional-stability-enhancing pre-emptive striking either.

[Task Force]

YES IT IS!!!! :stare:

YOUR FOLLOWING ME!!!!!!! :stare: HMMM.......
http://brettduncan.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/spam-c07.jpg
ill fill your computer with spam!!!!

[SteamWake]

Look its really simple. They (NK) are simply testing the resolve and intestinal fortitude of the new administration. Kind of like the school yard bully shaking down the nerd for his lunch money.

Bus as pointed out earlier you cannot overlook the fact that Ill is a raving lunatic with delousions of grandure.

[Max2147]

Let's not forget the close ties NK has with China. Sphere of influence can be seen as just as important to China as it is to any western nation, and the chance of Cinese participation in any exchange is entirely possible.

That being said, NK is playing a dangerous game. Yes, the US does inform other nations before a missile test is conducted. It is also very well advertised through other sources. I told every one here on Saturday of the scheduled firing. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=153195

This one hour notification by NK could lead to trouble. I know part of it is meant to measure US response to short notice events, but it could go tragically wrong.
China is actually pretty p*ssed off with North Korea right now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8120293.stm

China's biggest worry is the refugee problem. If things get too bad in North Korea, refugees will start streaming over the border into China, and China doesn't want to deal with them.

[Max2147]

Look its really simple. They (NK) are simply testing the resolve and intestinal fortitude of the new administration. Kind of like the school yard bully shaking down the nerd for his lunch money.

Bus as pointed out earlier you cannot overlook the fact that Ill is a raving lunatic with delousions of grandure.
I think the new administration that North Korea is worried about is their own. Kim is apparently on his last legs, if he's still alive. The powers behind the throne don't want Kim's incapacity or death to be seen as a moment of weakness where somebody could attack.

And if you think that Kim is (was) a raving lunatic, then you join a long list of people that have fallen for his act. He's sane and cunning, but he knows that he'll get a lot more attention from the rest of the world (especially the US) if people think he's insane.

An insane dictator with nuclear weapons is a lot scarier than a cold, calculating dictator with nukes, meaning that the US will theoretically offer a lot better incentives to an insane dictator to give up his nukes than they'd offer to a sane one. That's why Kim puts on his act, and it's been very effective.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm just going to tell you again, boys and girls, in the vain hope you'll sleep more easily and be less disturbed by your febrile imaginations

NK is not going to attack the USA. Repeat: NK is not going to attack the USA. And what's more the US is not going to do any regional-stability-enhancing pre-emptive striking either.


Hey thanks, we got that point a few posts back:O: Currently we are dicussing why the show of muscle and what is being done, if anything. :up:

BTW, I only get disturbed in my febrile imagination when I'm off my prozac!

[AVGWarhawk]

China is actually pretty p*ssed off with North Korea right now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8120293.stm

China's biggest worry is the refugee problem. If things get too bad in North Korea, refugees will start streaming over the border into China, and China doesn't want to deal with them.

Like I was thinking, China can make some waves to handle this aggressivness that NK is expressing. :hmmm:

[baggygreen]

China will do everything they possibly can to avoid war on the korean peninsula.

NK is their buffer state between the western powers (the US foothold in SK) and China itself. Much like Russia used Eastern Europe and the poms use the channel as a buffer.

The chinese will do anything they can to avoid war because NK will lose, Korea will be reunified under an SK government and suddenly a massive US ally shares a common border with China. They won't view that very well at all. Lets face it, of any major conflict possible in the next 30 years or so, the chinese and US facing off is right up there in terms of probability.

The time to worry is when China begins putting lots of public pressure on NK. They'll do it pretty well only because they're trying to shame NK into abandoning its path.

[SUBMAN1]

He's got a very well-developed sense of self-interest and self-preservation. Launching a missile at anyone doesn't mesh well with that.

Oh, and you know this how? A dying man in control of a nuclear arsenal is not typically the most rational man on the planet.

-S

[Max2147]

Any regime that survives as long as the North Korean regime in such a hostile environment has to have a VERY good sense of self-preservation. If Kim were as insane as some people here think he is, his regime would have fallen within months.

As awful as Kim and co. may be, they are seriously good when it comes to their main priority - staying in power.