Oct. 1939, was I in the wrong to deck gun a little English 12ton Schooner?

[Shrike37]

It was Oct. 1939 and I saw a sail on the horizon. As I got closer, it turned out to be a little 12 ton, three sailed, English Schooner. It looked more like a pleasure boat than a cargo ship. As I got close she began to zigzag in a futile attempt at evasion. Anyway I gave my deck gun crew some practice and we sank it after 2 hits.

Was this bad form or a valid target?

[Task Force]

Nope, i gun them all the time...:yep:

[Torplexed]

In real life you likely would have put a few shots across the bow, let the crew take to life rafts or a dinghy and maybe even given them some supplies before sinking their schooner or yacht. Maybe you would have gone aboard and scuttled it yourself.

But it's a game and there is no real crew, so you just sink it.

[The_Yugster]

In real life you would just need to ram it! Or turn the flack gun on it.:arrgh!:

[GoldenRivet]

i sink schooners or pleasure boats only if it is obvious that they have spotted me.

otherwise, why sink a young tommy out on a sunday afternoon pleasure cruise?

[Captain Birdseye]

Is small boats like this radioing your position in modeled in the game?

[Kapt Z]

Is small boats like this radioing your position in modeled in the game?

I don't know for certain. That would be the major reason I might avoid rather than engage such a small vessel.

[TigerShark808]

Rambing it! Only option!

[Highbury]

Ramming would not have been done unless in desparation.. even though the schooner is wood, a U Boat is not solid steel and would probably take damage. No Captain would risk that for no reason. You can bet it would damage you in game too.

I try to "role play" my decisions how a real Captain would make them. Good example is this; in the Pacific, I spot what comes up on my map as a small convoy. Look closely and it is a Sampan, a Big Sampan and a fishing boat. Looking through binocs I see what look to be female human models on the Sampans.. not gonna shoot them.. but wait.. fishing boat has 2 MG's and guys in Naval uniforms.. target! Needless to say the Sampans sailed on without their "escort". I try to use the same logic process to what I kill when I am in U Boats as well.

[cj95]

Where do I download the 'sunbathing female models' MOD?:D

[Platapus]

Looking through binocs I see what look to be female human models on the Sampans..

So you fell for the ole "human female on the Sampan" trick eh?

That's just what they wanted you to do. :O:

[vonCrandall]

Is small boats like this radioing your position in modeled in the game?

I have always wondered this as well.

Normally, if I see them and feel I am not detected, I submerge.

[PavelKirilovich]

Nope. Flying the Red Ensign? Legit target in 10/39. You don't want to waste an eto/ato on them, but the one or two 88mm rounds it takes are a valid expenditure.

They're either picquet boats or pleasure cruisers, and the only people who can afford to pleasure cruise in 1940s England, typically speaking, are the upper classes... and I just read Das Kapital for ****s und giggles. :O:

[Shadowblade]

Is small boats like this radioing your position in modeled in the game?

I suspect all enemy ships, so I always gun them down :arrgh!:

[nikbear]

Sink the Damn thing!I hate those Blinking English toffy nosed snobs in they're cutsie little sailing boats:O: Don't they know there's a war on!:arrgh!:Blast them to kingdom come,and they can take they're stiff upper lip and cucumber sandwiches with them as well:har::rotfl:

[Leandros]

It was Oct. 1939 and I saw a sail on the horizon. As I got closer, it turned out to be a little 12 ton, three sailed, English Schooner. It looked more like a pleasure boat than a cargo ship. As I got close she began to zigzag in a futile attempt at evasion. Anyway I gave my deck gun crew some practice and we sank it after 2 hits.

Was this bad form or a valid target?
Hmmm - rather unsportish. I'd put a junior officer on it and sailed it home to Germany (you know about that function in the game, of course). Nice to have one's private yacht after the war......:03:....

[Jimbuna]

I'd only expend AA munitions on such a miniscule target....keeping the heavier stuff for the bigger renown/tonnage http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Sailor Steve]

I'm sure they would say it's bad form. But they shouldn't be out there in the first place, should they.

[Synthfg]

Sink the Damn thing!I hate those Blinking English toffy nosed snobs in they're cutsie little sailing boats:O: Don't they know there's a war on!:arrgh!:Blast them to kingdom come,and they can take they're stiff upper lip and cucumber sandwiches with them as well:har::rotfl:
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Just watch put for the Butler Pulling a blunderbuss on you if you get too close

[VirtualVikingX]

It was Oct. 1939 and I saw a sail on the horizon. As I got closer, it turned out to be a little 12 ton, three sailed, English Schooner. It looked more like a pleasure boat than a cargo ship. As I got close she began to zigzag in a futile attempt at evasion. Anyway I gave my deck gun crew some practice and we sank it after 2 hits.

Was this bad form or a valid target?

Hi guys - be lurking for some time. Great forums!

Okey, I dont have detailed info as to how the KM adhered to the Laws of War in WW2. But sinking a non-military vessel that doesnt support the military effort in any way is as the main rule a war crime. A good example would be a leisure boat of any kind. A merchant or tanker during the war is of course by this rule a legit target.

Just my 2c, as you guys over there says.

If anyone else has any questions about the laws of war, I would be happy to answer them. (FYI; English is not my mother tongue)

[Kapt Z]

How do you know the 'pleasure boat' has not been commandeered by the RN and used as a coast watcher vessel???:hmmm:

Wouldn't that make her a legitimate 'military' target?

Seems hard to imagine any civilian would go out on a day sail in a war zone.

[VirtualVikingX]

How do you know the 'pleasure boat' has not been commandeered by the RN and used as a coast watcher vessel???:hmmm:

Wouldn't that make her a legitimate 'military' target?

Seems hard to imagine any civilian would go out on a day sail in a war zone.

Hehe, welcome to the world of the legal advisors! :D

As to the historic fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_submarine_warfare

"For the first few weeks of World War II, the German Navy attempted to honour Nazi Germany's treaty obligations, but that attempt was in trouble almost immediately following the sinking of SS Athenia by U 30, and it was abandoned at the end of November or the beginning of December 1939 with the issuing of War Order No. 154."

The submarine captains, not considering order number 154, was in no other situation than many soldiers/sergeants is today. "Is the guy up on the corner there a civilian or a combatant...?"

Think fast!

At least as a sub captain you have some time to think about you actions. If you want to role-play the law of armed conflict I mean. And I don't think any sub commander would risk anything for 12 tons.

[Sailor Steve]

Hi guys - be lurking for some time. Great forums!
WELCOME ABOARD! I don't know if you're using a translator, but if not your English is just fine.

As to your point, it's a good one. Me, I avoid them just because they're such a waste of good ammunition.

[VirtualVikingX]

Thanks Steve! Nice to be welcomed even if i didnt start a thread as my first post. :O:

(And no, I dont use a translator. :know: Of course correct grammar is "BEEN lurking". Hard to spot those typing errors some times.)

[sharkbit]

I tend to leave them alone.
Although, once off the coast of the US in '42, I gunned one down for a little revenge. A puny little ASW trawler kept me down for hours in the shallows. Mostly just circling and pinging. No depth charges. Very annoying, those things.
Once I got free, later that night I spotted one and.......:arrgh!:

[Jimbuna]

Welcome aboard VirtualVikingX http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Lord Biceps]

I flak gunned an 8-ton British sloop on my first patrol. I just couldn't stop grinning as I approached and it pathetically tried to escape at 2 kts against the wind. It felt like stepping on an ant. :arrgh!:

[danurve]

You shoot the enemy to kill your enemy, no mercy.

Besides, how do you know the Schooner skipper didn't insult your girlfriend?

AA guns, like your going to use them on aircraft anyway ;)

[frau kaleun]

Besides, how do you know the Schooner skipper didn't insult your girlfriend?

OTOH how do you know she's not on the schooner with him?

You know us ladies, we can't be trusted. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

And that changes the situation how? After all, if you're not to be trusted...

[frau kaleun]

She's still angry that you ran off to join the Kriegsmarine instead of marrying her like you promised. This Engelander, he means nothing, nothing! She's just acting out her loneliness and frustration in the only way she knows how and hoping you'll feel a fraction of the same pain you've caused her. Just come home on leave a little more often and stop giving her crabs when you do and all will be forgiven.

In conclusion, if you sink that ship you'll never know how much you really mean to her, and also miss out on some really hot wartime make-up sex. I'm just sayin'.

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl2:

Well, when you put it like that...

[frau kaleun]

:rotfl2:

Well, when you put it like that...

...sex sells, the end. :O:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

How do you know the 'pleasure boat' has not been commandeered by the RN and used as a coast watcher vessel???:hmmm:

Wouldn't that make her a legitimate 'military' target?

Seems hard to imagine any civilian would go out on a day sail in a war zone.

Door Gunner: "Get some!! get some!!!" *BRAP!! BRRRAP!!* "Anyone running is a VC!!! Anyone standing still is a well disciplined VC!!"

Pvt. Joker: "How can you shoot women and children?"

Door Gunner: "Easy!! You just don't lead as much!!"

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I flak gunned an 8-ton British sloop on my first patrol. I just couldn't stop grinning as I approached and it pathetically tried to escape at 2 kts against the wind. It felt like stepping on an ant. :arrgh!:

I've noticed in the conning tower there is a pair of MG 34s. Why can't we use these in the game? :C

[BulSoldier]

I think there are '42s but i dont have the game right now i may be wrong.It would be fun to make thousand wholes in the woden bathtub :D

[Iranon]

The aim is to disrupt the enemy's war effort, not to kill civilians.

I'll avoid being seen if I can, otherwise I greet them in passing, since anyone reckless enough to go on a pleasure cruise in sub-infested waters deserves a certain respect.

[Kimmers]

I would, but only if at night time, with nothing around. It would be guns and not torps.

Being in Oct '39 at the moment I have my crystal ball aboard.

As Mystic Kev, I can see many small ships sailing accross the Channel, I see the name Dunkirk. I can see many soldiers on baord these ships.

Just think, sink all small ships and maybe History may change. :salute:

HAHAHA such a good point. one more yacht gone means ten less british soldiers later in the war :arrgh!:

[Jimbuna]

I've noticed in the conning tower there is a pair of MG 34s. Why can't we use these in the game? :C

They're just eye candy unfortunately.