Dept of Homeland Insecurity possibly banning all pocket knifes?

[SUBMAN1]

Are they crazy?

http://www.akti.org/

http://www.kniferights.org/

I'm beginning to think so.

-S

[August]

Never mind

[GoldenRivet]

looks like a move against "assisted opening" knives, not all knives.

but thats to follow i think :nope:

personally i think assisted opening knives are great!

[UnderseaLcpl]

Is this a joke?

[goldorak]

This is what you get when people are made to believe that "100% security" is achievable in real life. Paranoia at all levels.
Man, after banning knifes what else ? Screwdrivers ? Hammers ?
How about banning all the "idiots" in governments, those that come up with these kafkian proposals/laws ? Now that would be a real change. :woot:

[Rilder]

If I can't own a sword then **** this worthless country. :yep:

[Stealhead]

Never mind


:har:

[Platapus]

Rats, I guess I should not be waiting for an AO karambit coming on the market soon. :(

[SteamWake]

Looks like the american knife industry is trying to raise a little capitol. :yep:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I own a replica bat'leth.

Replica swords and knives are perfectly legal to collect here, as far as I know.


Now, if they were to fall repeatedly upon a sharpening block, thats not my fault :shucks:

[CastleBravo]

Looks like the american knife industry is trying to raise a little capitol. :yep:

Are you saying Mr. Obama and his HSD will do the same for knives as it has done for firearms?

[SteamWake]

Are you saying Mr. Obama and his HSD will do the same for knives as it has done for firearms?

No you read way to much into my statement.

I simply meant that those web sites are trying to make some money. Simple as that.

I dont believe for a minute that pocket knifes will be banned.

[CastleBravo]

No you read way to much into my statement.

I simply meant that those web sites are trying to make some money. Simple as that.

I dont believe for a minute that pocket knifes will be banned.

What about my Ka-Bar?

[Skybird]

I dont believe for a minute that pocket knifes will be banned.

I don't believe that either. Not in general, I mean. Certain types, maybe. In Germany, spring knifes in general, pocket knifes with arresting blades beyond a certain length, and butterfly knifes are banned. I have no problem with that.

I have a Victorinox Swiss Champion attached to my belt, always, since over 20 years. It's my longest-lasting trustworthy companion. The Swiss officer knifes are an institution, i think. I was offered Leathermans twice, but found them too big a kit as if you would always have them with you.

What would a man be without his Swiss pocket knife? :DL

[Onkel Neal]

Nothing beats a little FREAKING OUT over nothing.

[Sailor Steve]

Neal, how can you say this is nothing? If they take my pocket knife, will my steak knives be next? My steak itself? What will I eat? Will I be able to wear my machete on the street? It has a sheath. Will I have to get a license to carry a concealed fork?

HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF FREAKING OUT? IT FREAKING TICKS ME OFF!

[CastleBravo]

I heard some where that is why we have butter knives today. Some French king was threatened by his guests bringing traditional knives to the table. He instituded rounded less leathal cutlery be provided.

[Skybird]

Forbidding pocket knifes - in a country were semi-automatic rifles are allowed and an estimated minimum of 80 million firearms is legally owned by householders.

Just imagining it makes me burst with laughter. :haha:

Boys, get a Swiss officer knife. It makes you feel good. Really. It makes something with you. The shark in the sea, the bear in the forest, the plane in the vertical dive, the splinter in your eye - you know you are prepared for everything, no matter what!

Do not come between me and my Swiss pocket knife!

Now to something different. I also have a compass. A Swiss army compass, by Recta...

[AVGWarhawk]

Forbidding pocket knifes - in a country were semi-automatic rifles are allowed and an estimated minimum of 80 million firearms is legally owned by householders.

Just imagining it makes me burst with laughter. :haha:

Boys, get a Swiss officer knife. It makes you feel good. Really. It makes something with you. The shark in the sea, the bear in the forest, the plane in the vertical dive, the splinter in your eye - you know you are prepared for everything, no matter what!

Do not come between me and my Swiss pocket knife!

Now to something different. I also have a compass. A Swiss army compass, by Recta...

It is kind of funny Skybird if you think about it.

[CastleBravo]

It is kind of funny Skybird if you think about it.

Not as funny when you realize that even the Swiss Army Knife or two x four when used properly is a deadly weapon that can be purchased in the local Walmart, or Home Depot.

[AVGWarhawk]

Not as funny when you realize that even the Swiss Army Knife or two x four when used properly is a deadly weapon that can be purchased in the local Walmart, or Home Depot.

The point is taking away a knife yet you can go to Walmart and pick up a 30/30:doh: It does not make sense.

[Platapus]

A few years ago I was visiting an ex-coworker in a government facility. I saw him trying to unpack this mountain of cardboard boxes by stabbing them with a ball point pen and then ripping the cardboard off.

I handed him my Swiss Army Knife but was told that this was not allowed in this facility.

WTF?

This government agency had a zero tolerance to any type of weapon. I have been carrying a SAK since I was 8 years old. With the exception of Basic Training, I can't remember any period of my life when I did not have a SAK on me.

Needless to say, I violated federal law by quickly slicing open all of his boxes and then escaping to saner organizations.

Banning Swiss Army Knives in the facility? My dyin arse! :nope:

[CastleBravo]

The point is taking away a knife yet you can go to Walmart and pick up a 30/30:doh: It does not make sense.

Since 1994 attempting to remove firearms from the US population has been and is a nightmare politically. But like everything else it is being attempted in small, 'slippery slope', intervals.

[FIREWALL]

I don't carry a pocket knife. I have a very sharp p38 on my keyring that will cut string, clean under my nails and will slit a throat from ear to ear.

And it's made it thru AP security for as long as I can remember.:DL

[Onkel Neal]

Neal, how can you say this is nothing? If they take my pocket knife, will my steak knives be next? My steak itself? What will I eat? Will I be able to wear my machete on the street? It has a sheath. Will I have to get a license to carry a concealed fork?

HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF FREAKING OUT? IT FREAKING TICKS ME OFF!


We all have to go vegetarian, I suppose.

[Skybird]

We all have to go vegetarian, I suppose.
What - no more football...?

[Skybird]

Not as funny when you realize that even the Swiss Army Knife or two x four when used properly is a deadly weapon that can be purchased in the local Walmart, or Home Depot.


You can even use a pencil as a Kubotan, which can be - if properly handled - as painful and as lethal as you want.

[FIREWALL]

I don't carry a pocket knife. I have a very sharp p38 on my keyring that will cut string, clean under my nails and will slit a throat from ear to ear.

And it's made it thru AP security for as long as I can remember.:DL




http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5404/p38add.jpg


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[CastleBravo]

You can even use a pencil as a Kubotan, which can be - if properly handled - as painful and as lethal as you want.

I think that is my point. To make one thing less or more lethal than the other is merely a matter of efficiency, not lethality.

[Skybird]

But it costs much more time and determination to learn how to use a Kubotan for defence or "behavior enforcement", than it takes to learn how to use a gun or a knife for killing. Every retarded idiot can shoot a gun at somebody standing at a social distance, that must not be learned in principle, you must not be a trained athlete nor a healthy person or a blessed genius to do that. It must not even be explained to almost nobody. Learning to effectively use a Kubotan, or a spoon or a pencil, takes much more investement. And a sword also is a dedicated "to kill only" item, like a gun. Nevertheless it is much more demanding to learn how to master a sword, than it is to effectively use a gun. Tools and weapons are not the same. A tool has a diverse range of possible uses, a weapon only one. thertefore it makes little sense to compare the reduction of availability of weapons with the reduction in avalabuility of any tool. "Cars and traffic accidents" is often given as an antidot-argument in the debate over firearms. And that argument for that reason never has worked - it simply makes no sense to compare tools and weapons.

[CastleBravo]

With all due respect Mr. Skybird I think you have missed the point as it applies to people. Disallowing the basic right of self preservasion in order to disalow firearms is the folly of the self righteous.

[Skybird]

With all due respect Mr. CastleBravo, but the ammount of violence seen in a nation is no random variable, but amongst some other variables is very prominently linked to a cultural context that makes fetishes of weapons and violence. And some societies on this globe are saturated and are drippingly wet with that kind of attitude. It's almost a religion, a holy grail, a golden cow, untouchable, unquestionable, beyond any criticism, ruling in importance above anything else.

Like junkeys are caring only for one thing day in, day out.

[CastleBravo]

With all due respect Mr. CastleBravo, but the ammount of violence seen in a nation is no random variable, but amongst some other variables is very prominently linked to a cultural context that makes fetishes of weapons and violence. And some societies on this globe are saturated and are drippingly wet with that kind of attitude. It's almost a religion, a holy grail, a golden cow, untouchable, unquestionable, beyond any criticism, ruling in importance above anything else.

Like junkeys are caring only for one thing day in, day out.

Your answer shows self preservasion plays no value. Of all rights that is the most basic. How it is accomplished, visa vi the government should assure you that the right to firearms is critical.

But you and your family certainly has the right to die.

[VipertheSniper]

Your answer shows self preservasion plays no value. Of all rights that is the most basic. How it is accomplished, visa vi the government should assure you that the right to firearms is critical.

But you and your family certainly has the right to die.

So basically, you're saying to only means to preserve yourself is a firearm?

And what's with that last sentence? Everybody has a right, no, an obligation even, to die.

[CastleBravo]

So basically, you're saying to only means to preserve yourself is a firearm?

And what's with that last sentence? Everybody has a right, no, an obligation even, to die.

No. That is not the only means of preserving my life but it is the most efficient, scientifically. If science is not your prefered method of explainining the world and you would rather go toward religion, that is OK with me.

[jumpy]

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5404/p38add.jpg


http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/page52.shtml

http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/page52.shtml

Snap!

who would have thought so much could be written about a can opener... I thought it was an airplane or a german pistol, so I looked it up; turns out there's a rather deep rabbit hole with a p38 at the bottom of it :O:



edit:

How it is accomplished, visa vi the government
Sorry, but is your name David Brent, by any chance? :har:

[CastleBravo]

Seems most of you folks would disallow the basic human right of self preservation. If it isn't a basic right, how do you justify your existance?

Its just a question I by no means to upset any one. I just wish them to justify their position. If they can?

[Skybird]

Your answer shows self preservasion plays no value. Of all rights that is the most basic. How it is accomplished, visa vi the government should assure you that the right to firearms is critical.

But you and your family certainly has the right to die.

You know what worries people like me in people like you? That you never ask the question why there is is so much - real or just imagined - threats against which you must defend yourself. Instead you just engage in an equivalent to an arms race, and end up in a spiral that leaves your police clueless where this should end. They will get new cars, the Carbon-type of vehicles - I'm sure that solves problems. And all the time your society sees more and more violence and readiness to use it, and less and lesser scruples in youngsters to turn violent, and where 30 years ago fists were flying, now immediately a shooting begins, and when somebody lies on the ground, the other kicks his face even more, and maybe we see the video on the web soon. Media and culture are celebrating violence. Hollywoods makes profits with it. The arms industry anyway. Films and movies idolise it. The national way of life teaches it. Idols glorify it.

And this culture of violence gets exported into all the world.

Hm.

You must not worry about me, btw. I have learned and been trained for long years to fight with bare hands, sticks and swords, since my youth. I survived and repelled one unexpected knife attack on my life, and fought off armed street robbers three times in three different ME countries. Because I can do that efficiently without necessarily needing a gun, I got hired and payed quite a good fee although being just a student taking a timeout from university. ;)

There are no rules being accepted anymore, and the violence becomes excessive. Young kids torture other kids to death. And more and more it swaps over to our nations on this side of the pond as well.

And your cultures only answer to questions you never ask is "get guns" and "carrying a gun is a man's right." Brilliant.

"Takes more than combat gear to make a man,
takes more than a rifle or a gun."

Instead of arming your people up to the teeth you should - and we should as well - take more care to educate the people better. and where you want them to be able to defend themselves, you should train them, instead of just buying stupid guns. Training forms the character, btw.

Start asking questions about why things are the way they are, man. Because you know as well as I do, even if your country would be the most peaceful place with zero crime in the world - your culture would not be thankful for not needing them, but would still be crazy for getting guns.

And that raises big questions. So start asking them. Or is what you see on TV not scaring enough already? It will become worse. You have only two hands to hold guns. Any thoughts?

[Skybird]

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5404/p38add.jpg


A can opener. :DL Boy, and I was torturing my brain, wondering what it is. I thought it was some piece of creative homecraftsmanship. :D

[CastleBravo]

'You know what worries people like me in people like you'?

You lost me right there by setting a a border between us instead of forging communication between us. Are you that arogant Mr. Skybird?

[VipertheSniper]

No. That is not the only means of preserving my life but it is the most efficient, scientifically. If science is not your prefered method of explainining the world and you would rather go toward religion, that is OK with me.

Well if you say that self preservation plays no value for someone who critizes a culture of guns and violence, I think what I stated is correct.

[Skybird]

'You know what worries people like me in people like you'?

You lost me right there by setting a a border between us instead of forging communication between us. Are you that arogant Mr. Skybird?


I reject foul compromises, and over this issue we are as split as splitting can be. If that is arrogance in your eyes, so be it. To me it is knowing where I stand on things.

And this is not the first debate of this issue here. and that's why I stop it here, for my own part.

[CastleBravo]

I reject foul compromises, and over this issue we are as split as splitting can be. If that is arrogance in your eyes, so be it. To me it is knowing where I stand on things.

And this is not the first debate of this issue here. and that's why I stop it here, for my own part.

I also understand where you will give up yo're life for some 'higher' level. That is you're right. But please don't take away the rights of others in the process.

[SUBMAN1]

You guys really think this is a fake scare, right? Think again. The NRA is now on the bandwagon:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4972

Seems they have a link to the proposed rule here:

http://www.nraila.org/pdfs/CBPkniferuling.pdf

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Did this ever pass?

-S